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Does The NSA Think You're A Terrorist?
When the NSA sorts through American communications to find terrorists, what is their accuracy in identifying one?
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I think it's time that we all just acknowledge what the NSA is doing and not beat around the bush. They are not mostly looking for foreign guys in caves with bombs. They are looking for people who challenge the status quo. That includes guys in caves, but a "terrorist" to them is anyone who challenges the status quo. Therefore Constitutionalists, Ron Paul supporters, gun rights advocates, Occupy movement members, BitCoin users, etc. are terrorists to them. We are the enemy to them because we want to take away their free shit, just as a Tea Party voter is an enemy to Obamaphone lady.
holy fucking shit, someone who gets "it". NSA is stealing secrets (as acknowledged openly by Hayden), and monitoring the people in countries where the US has interests (hint, every single one). Big Gov does not want to be surprised by an uprising. They monitor closely the uprising they create, but want to infiltrate and control any upstarts before they can become an uprising. It aint got shit to do with "terra ists" as they dont catch them cus they aint look'n for em.
Occupy Wall Street was a prime example of controlled opposition. Where are they now?
That whole movement and protest was cleverly set up just before winter so in the event it did get out of hand the freezing weather would have ran them out of the streets...and with cloud seeding (paid for with your tax dollars) they can modify the weather and hurricane your ass out of town if needed.
It's the idea that they cannot kill. The hardest thing to control is a free thinking mind.
It became so. It was originally part of the Tea Party movement and was a bridge between hard core conservatives, libertarians and true liberals. It attracted a lot of slackers who are just mad at the world and who wanted to camp out in front of banks and smoke pot, and it was also infiltrated by those whose entire goal was to marginalize and convince people like you that it was a farce. Mission accomplished, apparently.
Rarely does the first post to an article nait it so squarely between the eyes. But in this case, it got nailed.
I have family in the intel side of the USG (military, not NSA). Their assessment is that AT BEST it can follow the linkages back to get collaborators AFTER a terrorist has been intercepted (or has successfully carried out their attack). A forensic tool, by and large.
The chance of it stopping a new plot by as yet unknown perpetrators.... unlikely.
Heap the potential abuses and "false positives" on top of that already marginal cost/benefit calculation.
That has to be th efunniest infographic I have seen in a long long long time. the colours, the "facts", the "stats".....captures the screaming lie of the so called security state brilliantly.
It's as asinine as building a wall between two nations to stop infiltration across a 1000 mile border.
or searching for a needle in a haystack.
Or really just fucking admitting this whole shit-show for what is, which is:
99% terror is state sponsored terror. terrorism was long predicted as the bogeyman after the "cold" war ruskie/nuclear threat, followed by the terror threat and soon to be replaced by the et/alien threat. This was predicted by werner von braun and revealed by his long time secretary, whose name slips my mind.
So the bigger picture that is going to asked is, Are you an alien? In my time spent in the us (12 years, long enough), the thing that used to bother me most, rankle in fact, was that I was an alien and stamped and marked and called as such. First I was a legal alien, then an illegal one.
Curious that they chose to use such a pejorative word (at least in the context of humans), as if seeding the feild for the "real", "alien" invasion.
In fact, a theory of mine, is that they will use all of this bio-metric identification as a way of saying "aliens/et's" are already among us and we need you to constantly prove that you are human...... or some such.
ori
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/the-spirit-of-india-in-one-picture/
"we need you to constantly prove that you are human"
Captcha says it does this. But then, Captcha itself, is not human.
cant i just tell them i am a terrorist? who is against the fed, mil ind complex, foreign wars, government snooping ect...
seems like it would be much cheaper. my terrorist leaders are washington, jefferson and payne.
individual rights is the new terror, to the fascist state.
I am a terrorist. I believe in Freedom and the Constitution.
good first volley, but.....
the first on their lists are not you or i- but pre-elected officials and journalists. sorry but -
Of course we know you are a terrorist.
He posts on Zerohedge therefore...
Terrorism is in the eye of the beholder
One mans terrorist is another mans Freedom Fighter.
- James Brown
I'm surprised our leaders don't get around the whole 'false positives' issue by saying everybody is a terrorist until proven otherwise.
Shit, that's already how they treat us in airports.
Imagine for a moment, if King George III and the British governors of the colonial states had been able to utilize the same technology as the NSA.
The Patriot forces which gathered around Boston would have been arrested as they were leaving their homes and therfore never have made it to Bunker Hill. Jefferson, Franklin and Adams, acknowledged by the Crown as terrorists after their communiques had been intercepted, would have been subject to extraordinary rendition, never to be seen again. George Washington, in all likelihood, tried for treason and hung at the gallows. The Declaration of Independence would never have been written, nor the Constitution. Our most precious documents, our heritage and our history, would never have been born and nurtured to fruition.
How many great men and women, how many courageous deeds, how many world altering ideas, how many human spirits are being crushed under the weight of the leviathan our government has become?
Phones, email and internet enable more efficient communication but are not necessary - unless you want to monitor people.
Go low tech.
And this is the whole point of the surveilence State. We ARE a threat to their power and they will use any means necessary to maintain and increase their stranglehold over our lives.
The analogy in chess is what I call "short defense" (you make a direct threat and I defend) and what I call the "long defense" (winning the game). Same could be applied to football, etc.. Offense is defense and defense is offense, so to speak. This is why the notion of "Star Wars" as only defense was always suspect. If I can block all your threats, then even a marginal offense carries the day.
The powers that be are playing a long game.
And when the people’s guns are gone, they’ll be very little to worry about regarding taxation or private property or QE printing or NSA terrorism. Instead, we will be completely subjugated in one of the harshest, most sophisticated police states in history.
NRA to Sue California if Gov. Brown Signs 'Assault Weapons' Ban | BREITBART | Oct. 4, 2013
The NRA has announced it will sue the state of California if Governor Jerry Brown (D) signs an across-the-board ban on semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds.
The bill bans "an entire class of weapons that includes most 'assault rifles.'"
According to Fox News, the NRA Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) says the bill is "unconstitutional" and "would make unprecedented changes to California's already unjust and Byzantine 'assault weapon' law."
A statement from the NRA-ILA says, "Our right to keep and bear arms has never been as seriously threatened in California as it is today. After years of incrementally adopting gun control measures, this year the Legislature decided to propose new laws adopting everything on the gun ban lobby's wish list."
Gun Owners of California Executive Director Sam Paredes echoed this sentiment: "No question about it. The bill will make half of the rifles in existence 'assault weapons,' and make them illegal."
Assault weapons in California are already highly regulated--they "can only be used for limited purposes and owners are prohibited from transferring them to anyone else in the state." This bill would broaden the definition of an "assault weapon" and then ban each newly redefined weapon.
Gov. Brown has until October 13 to sign the bill.
Of course, it's not about actually finding real terrorists (whatever they may be), but rather making terrorists through their identification of anyone as such, and you can't prove that you're not. If you or anyone questions anything, you can be summarily thrown into prison and the key thrown away.
Let's see how guilty you are:
You were spreading poison gas in the community (also known as breathing out carbon dioxide).
You were transporting explosive liquids with intent to destroy infrastructure (also known as driving your car with a full tank of gas going to grandma's house).
You cancelled your cable tv (also known as subverting state propaganda).
There are others, but you are on a need-to-know basis. Welcome to Kalfka-land!
I don't think it was entirely a farce - it woke some people up which is good, but it the whole thing was controlled. If it wasn't then it would not have made it on corporate news - plain and simple.
I still think it's government agents who go around doing most of the smashing of windows, etc. to dis-credit protests. It has been proven true many times in other parts of the world. It's not always the case, but it DOES happen more often than not.
You should try refraining from the "people like you" comments in your replys. Instead of personally attacking perhaps we can discuss or ask to clarify our statements. It could be just a simple misconstruing of words because we both seem to be on the same page.
Okay, point taken and I retract "people like you." I just get pissed when anyone calls out Occupy as if it were a monolithic entity.
+1 for your 1st comment. The Tea Party has 3 core principles 1) fiscal responsibility 2) Free markets and 3) Constitutionally limited Govt.
Can you tell me the OWS manifesto? Just curious what the similarities are?
I'd prefer a down arrow from you.
OWS was originally begun by the Tea Party. But you wouldn't know that because it's not discussed on Rush. The OWS movement became diverse to the point of virtual irrelevance, in part because it was usurped by Rush listening clowns who were threatened by it, and in part because it was infiltrated by slackers who just hate people with money. It's core value originally was to divest the banks of their grip on our economy.
That's a lie. OWS was created much later by the left as a counter to the TP. I'm still not sure what you say they have in common. By contrast. all the OWS manifestos I find are demanding more government spending, guaranteed wages, free tuition, universal health care ect. They want an expansion of the size and power of government, benefits, from cradle to college to grave. Show me a manifesto that proves me wrong.
Not that you actually give a flying fuck because it would challenge your Rush-inspired point of view, but here you go. http://www.scribd.com/doc/168661471/Occupy-Finance. A sample of the table of contents, with a lot of random characters from the cut and paste:
S?ctio? 1.Th? R?al Lif? Im?act of Fi?a?cializatio? o? th? 99%
Chapter 1. Heads They Win, Tails We Lose 5
(a discussion o? the various ways the members o? the 99% have become fnancial products)
Chapter 2. The Bailout: It Didn’t Work, It’s StillGoing On, and It’s Making Things Worse 13
(a discussion o? the purposes, magnitude, and continuing un?olding o? the Bailout)
S?ctio? 2.How W? Got H?r?
Chapter 3. How Banks Create Money … and Keep It 25
(a discussion o? the basic mechanics o? our fnancial system, and how they are ?ailing)
Chapter 4. A Little History to Explain a Lot o? Tragedy 37
(a short history o? the principal legislative ?ailures that caused the crisis and make another one likely)
Chapter 5. The Dirty Dozen Legal Outrages 43
(a list o? twelve notable Wall Street-?riendly laws or ?ailures to en?orce the ones that at least sounded good)
Chapter 6. New Civics: Feasting on the Commons 55
(an account o? how predatory fnance changes government by taking its money, turning it private,buying its leaders, and keeping itsel? above the debate)
moveon.org
By the way, thanks for showing us all why the NSA is allowed to exist by picking out the Occupy Movement from my original post as a point of contention. I included them deliberately to scare out fucks like you who don't really believe or understand what I said. It's easy to be against the NSA spying on Tea Party members if you belong to that group. But it's harder to care if they also spy on OWS if you think they are douchebags. A true believer in freedom wants both groups to have their say and not be spied upon. But thanks for the upvote, I guess.
OWS and Tea Party are closer than most people realize.
When I see any person identified with either movement on the ballot, I vote for that candidate.
I believe that the "true blue" and "true red" factions are much smaller than the MSM trumpets.
-Don't vote for any incumbent.
-Don't vote for a party.
Determine a candidate in your district/region etc. who is the most independent and vote for that person.
We may not know who to vote for, but we sure as shit know who NOT to vote for:
1) An Incumbant
2) Any Democrat or Republican
It won't work, the first or second time; but, by the third time, our voice will be heard.
It's easy, don't over think it or get tripped in fake left/right nonsense.
It can't be any more fucked up than it already is..
Term Limits: One And Done
No PARTIES: Just PEOPLE!
"It Can't Happen Here", Frank Zappa
/Rant
Mixing old rockers, but we need to break down the walls.
"i'm so far right- i'm left out! ..... i'm so far left- i'm right!"
can't up this.
LTER, go to the 38min mark and hear Chossudovsky's eye-opening take on OWS.
http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/95429
Whatever OWS 'really' was, it represented push back to the banksters, which I supported.
Infiltration is rampant.
+1
For the link, and...
Infiltration is rampant. -- Ignatius
I'm not sure what OWS 'really' was either, but have long suspected that Graeber and Co. deliberately organized it in such a way as to cause it, ultimately, to implode. This is all hindsight now of course, but a couple of months after Sept 2011, and certainly by Feb 2012, it was evident Occupy was not only penetrated online and in the camps, but that it's inablility to self-organize into a coherent national movement was inherent in it's organizing principles... which allowed a very small 'insider' group to control OWS' decision-making process (consensus). This group rejected any and all other forms of political participation, even when large and solid majorities of self-identified Occupiers supported such engagement.
I've never seen that...have to take a deeper dive.
I saw a documentary on OWS where they got some of the "organizers" on record resisting any and all core manifestos....the thought being that if they were so broad and varied, the organizers could use it for anything.
Some of the original founders of OWS are trying to take it back, but I fear the message will be lost thanks to the ceaseless MSM propaganda against them.
But MSM was for them before they were against them. What changed?
I think MSM "journalists" were for them before their owners took notice. Sheehan was also a media darling for a little while before she was demonized.
Seems like it was so long ago but it really wasn't. That all went down when I first got to the Hedge. I remember a lot of ZH'ers local to the action ringing in about what they saw. Hard to keep straight. The documentary I saw was maybe a bit biased...Breitbart was featured in it and a lot of the footage was his. I think he shot straight, really. I don't think anything showed in the work was skewed, per say...rather I felt like I was seeing only what they wanted me to see. With that many people involved, there had to be more going on than just a Marxist pep rally. It was clear though, that group sure as fuck dominated..in spades.
I remember Occupy was not televised for a few days. Then it got big and got televised.
I remember watching Chalky and Pelosi endorse OWS on the teevee.
That told me everything I needed to know. When Pelosi went on about how wonderful and organic the movement was...I knew it was 100% Alinsky Labs. The Tea Party was organic but was counterfeited in several ways.
There is a Tea Party that die hard Progs the that I hate too. Sort of the Glenn Beck Country Music Fest Flavored one. I could do without that.
The day they gave the Tea Party a name it was doomed as a "party".
I think the core ideas are alive more than ever.
They were created by groups like moveon who organized counter rallys to the Tea Party which is an organic movement. OWS were the darlings of the MSM and establishment at first, they came pre-approved. Bloomberg even welcomed them to zuccotti park. But their usefulness ended when they couldn't behave themselves.
We all know that behaving ourselves is important. I think NSA may have an opening for you. True believers in behaving appropriately get immediate clearance.
There is truth to what he's saying brother.
Who was that chick from the NYT that worked with that blogger to instigate the hoax concert (radiohead, I think) to kick it off. It was just to get warm bodies on the field. It was organized. There's tons of footage with SEIU on the ground in numbers.
I'm not saying there were absolutely no factions of OWS the weren't on the up and up. I think OWS was many things to many people, by it's very nature. That is one similarity I see with the Tea Party.
The Tea Party was usurped, and so was OWS. To me, that doesn't mean that either original message is invalid.
Absolutely.
But what's the take away? How do you survive infiltration. Maybe we should be infiltrating them more. Or be waiting on them when they come.
+1
For the million dollar question...
How do you survive infiltration[?] -- IndyPat
Perhaps you'll follow this line of reasoning a bit further...
+1000
Infiltration and interference by the agents of Kontrol is the MAIN barrier to lighting a fire that will burn the corruption away.The degree that Kontrol agents are already in place in ordinary businesses is disgusting to behold.
This does need to be discussed....at length.
"In an interview that will be aired tonight on ABC News, President Obama continues to express his commitment to the Occupy Wall Street protesters..." ABC News. 2011
All the while no one knew that he was using the IRS to target the TP.
I'll say it one last time, then you're on your own. Pay attention to what he does, not what he says. Same goes for Red Team.
I'm guessing you two have met before. Hope I wasn't interrupting a customary slug it out.
I just know that when I first got involved with the TP, it was in Durham NC and it was through my involvement with RPauls first stab at it. It was much heavier end the fed, constitutional gov and small gov focused. When I moved back to Louisville, Ron Paul wasn't really involved with what I saw there and it changed a bit. The end the fed part sort of took a backseat or just disappeared. Then there were people bitching about who started the Tea Party and what was the real TP. I just checked out. Keep up my support for Ron, though. Still hold the same views,
RP was demonized by all spectrums of MSM. Fox says he's crazy for reasons A, B, C, and MSNBC says he's crazy for reasons D, E, and F. CNN just says he's crazy, and their viewers don't care much for an explanation and just want a review. I agree with around half of his views (I strongly disagree with the pure free market stuff) but I wrote him for Prez last election because I am 100 percent behind his concept of freedom of ideas. The Founders were sharply divided on the details but they believed in the basic premise of self-governance as does RP. Sad that his son is a corporatist.
Until RP goes begging in front of AIPAC, he will never get press time or anywhere close to the presidency.
Yep. The original OWS and tea partiers had so much common ground. I think the tea party was hijacked and the OWS people beat up and scattered. Weird world where I sometimes find myself supporting diverse voices such as Rand Paul, Chris Hedges and Ed Snowden.
I junked ya for bein' a useful idiot.
Mmm can you be more specific?
I think it is time to update the paradigm.
It isn't weird to support various IDEAS that eminate from the minds of a wide variety of people.
That's NORMAL.
What isn't normal is boxing humanity into 1 or 2 or 3 groups and then pitting them off against each other.
I've gone to Occupy gatherings and had some very good conversations with a subset of that group.
I was just at the local gun show and everyone I talked to was on my wave length.
I can talk to democrats and shut their political party logic down due to all the contradictions between promises and delivery.
Same with Republicans, who, BTW, are the ones spending all the money for almost 2 years becuase they control the House (where spending originates or ends).
I'm off their 2 party cognitive plantation control grid and I know who the real criminals are.
I guess that makes me a terrorist in the eyes of the real financial and genocidal terrorists that control the governments of much of the world.
Same as it ever was, right. They labeled Jesus a terrorist in the nomenclature of their day.
When the government is wrong, it is dangerous to point that out to the masses.
If you're off the 2 party cognitive plantation control grid, why would you utter such a statement?
Same with Republicans, who, BTW, are the ones spending all the money for almost 2 years becuase they control the House (where spending originates or ends).
If you're truly off the grid, you'll realize it doesn't matter which party controls the house, spending facilitates the ponzi and it will be continued at all costs.
I guess I am still surprised by the idea that the TEA Party has been co-opted. I told my wife when we departed for the first TEA Party rally in Sept 2009..."We may be the only people there, but I shall have my finger salute waving." The best surprise of my life were the people. Check the roof top videos to judge for yourself the size of this crowd. It was one of the largest rallies ever in DC, and without question the most decent people that have ever been in that town at one time. I, and all of my allied TEA Partiers are not co-opted. It is ours, not theirs. Help us keep it that way.
Tea Party pics from the 2009 DC rally. Millions drove to DC to protest. They have not been co-opted, not these patriots. They left the grounds cleaner than they found it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2gRLTnSApw&list=PL813906818471BAA2
Nice timelapse showing the crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwoCJjH4gwQ&list=PL813906818471BAA2
Did you ask people for their Hall Pass?
When 2 million people show up for an event, and I've never heard of it, something has gone terribly wrong.
The WOAR needs to start now, guys. It's starting to look like there isn't a force on the planet that can stop our government...except blood.
You wouldn't even have to fire a shot. If you marched 2 million people into Congress and the White House, there simply wouldn't be enough bullets to stop you, and there would be no way they could dissappear that many people when they are dead in the streets.
The media loves the smell of blood. They couldn't resist reporting it, and there would be no hiding what happened.
Umm, actually there's 1,5 billion bullets, ready and waiting. Thats about 1,000 for each of your 2 million occupiers. Even the US military would make a few hits with those numbers.
Pay more attention. Your life depends on it.
I went to two OWS protest sites, the latter being held in front of the Eccles Bldg. 13 OWS protestors showed up. Most left after about 25 minutes. It became apparent that, after discussion with other members, they had no idea what the Federal Reserve actually does. The rest were busy with their iphones and pads. I left. I have no idea how big it might have become or who else joined later.
"It attracted a lot of slackers who are just mad at the world and who wanted to camp out in front of banks and smoke pot"
Here in Washington State, we turned that into law
OWS disappeared, like the anti-war movement did when the 'peace prize' took over..
Is that why the lame stream media suppressed it until they could no longer?
The American public "doesn't want to be surprised by an uprising"...the game is on, the Mac & Cheese is hot and the beer's cold...DOH!
If they're as competent as obamacare, we've got nothing to worry about. And frankly, I'm not worrying.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hhs-run-website-hacked-now-selling-n...
Absolutely correct. They can take their fucking status quo and shove it up their ass.
"Does the NSA Think You're a Terrorist?"
Who gives a shit? WE outnumber THEM.
Bring it on.
Who's 'we', Batman? You talked to your Zombie neighbors lately? They'd prolly give the SWAT team directions to your house and then film the whole thing on thier iCrap for FB and YT as a souvenier.
I'm not Batman. I'm Robin.
I wanna be Robin...
OK then I'll be Spartacus
Soon, I fear, all of us will be Spartacus.
Perhaps we already are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q
I wanna car. Chicks dig the car.
Ever heard of "defeat in detail"? Look it up. Numbers don't matter as much as you might think.
If you are reading this, the NSA thinks you are a skeery terist.
What if I just make smart ass comments?
Like when I was in college.... Er, high school... Er....
Everybody tells me to just grow the f up....
UR number 15 on the list, with a bullet !!!
LOL
Reminds me of my high school coach
One day told us to count off by 3's and I was first, so I said "3"' next guy says "6" next "9"..... Went all the way to 27 , he was waving his hands about, trying to reclaim some sense of order...
I ran up and down 4 flights of stars for an hour ...
Thanks for the laughter knukles, hysterical that is !!!
Actually, they see things more differentiated than that:
They do correlation techniques and apply some fancy math (stats) to help 'categorize' people.
After that, they use LinkedIn techniques to do relationship mapping. This map is then used in combination with your behavior profile, to not only track you, but also your network contacts you will make/seek in any given situation.
It gives them god-like powers of tracking and prediction -- if you fall into their spotlight.
K out.
Bravo Rand! You have nailed that one. The NSA is looking for guys JUST like you and me. Our opinons, espcially the one we put in print here on ZH make us the prime people the NSA is out to mark. Our names our going on the kill lists of the secret police for the day it all goes down. Oddly enough, this is to be expected. The spying is meant to scare us into silence, it is meant to shut us up and not spread our opnions to others. They want to plant fear in the hearts of men. The USA is heading down that evil fascist path that others in the 20th century took. But it goes back all the way to Roman times. The Roman government kept large numbers of spies and informants that kept the secret police informed of who held anti imperial thoughts. To voice dissent was a ticket to the cross or worse to the stadiums for use in death shows for the public. Yes, this is well documented aspect of Roman history. I have said for more than a decade now that Imperial Rome is being studied and copied by America's elites. I believe that now more than ever.
The NSA could give a damn about Al-Qaeda, we are allied with that force. Nope, as you said, it is we they are after. They are making a list and checking it twice gonna find out whose been naughty and nice. They have the names now, they know all our thoughts and opinions, have our medical records, military service records, employment records, bank records, credit card info, even probably know what girls we have screwed. They have it all. This is America in 2013! Freedom, jesus man, that word is a fucking joke in America!
But think about it for a second. Doesn't that mean that 99% without a clue will also die because of you? The test is 99% inaccurate after all. They will have to kill 100 just to get you. They will have to kill another 100 more to get LetThem EatRand.
If there are 100,000 of us in the Nation that means that Ten Million will have to die. If there a Million of us then 100 Million will be terminated.
With that written....Enjoying your time on ZeroHedge "Useful Tools"?
No, just you. Thanks for participating.
Doctors use the same logic, poisoning and burning cancer. They're heroes. Clearly then the NSA will be heroes, collateral damage only 99% of their kills to keep us SAFE.
And I was hoping no one would find out about that fat red-headed hillbilly chick I banged in Tennessee. Fuck, I was drunk on Jaegermeister for cryin' out loud, give a guy a break.
I don't think the NSA is the only entity with a "kill list".
Not mine.I don't think.
I was bugged by a business 'partner' back in the 1970's.My first, and last partner.
I have been extremely careful ever since that introduction to spying back then.
I didn't mind being considered slightly paranoid by friend, and family.
Who is laughing now?.
fuck the Never Say Anything rule at the bottom.
It just shows that you're afraid of them. There are more of Us than there are of Them. Fact.
>> There are more of Us than there are of Them. Fact.
And "they" have access to resources you wouldn't dream of, and the "comfortably well paid, all needs taken care of" mindset that makes them "far more special" than you or yours.
Just look at History - when it "comes to the crunch" they will certainly "do the right thing" - they will certainly look after their interests long before considering yours.
This is what pisses me off about the education reform movement (among other things) - its goal, with endless "testing" and whatnot, is to completely smash what ever critical thinking skills were still being taught in schools. Anybody with a brain is wholly cognizant that the status quo is about production of docile serfs, and it seems like this current generation of olds (pre-Millenials) is the last generation that was even given the tools to see the scope of their servitude. Damn shame.
LetThemEatRand: Bravo!
It is NEVER about anything other than money and power--Your money, labor and blood for them and power to take more from you. <<That's a period there. "They want to keep us by the balls and not let us squirm loose."
I believe in the return of the country and the American people to at least the Constitutional republic that we once had and the ouster and Retribution of those responsible for the conditions of today and the crimes that got us here. My mantra is "...it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government..." Therefore, by their definition, I am a "terrorist," and so are my buddies Jefferson, Payne, Sam Adams..."
My first weapon will be Rejection: I will not pay them, the criminals of the government or their bankster masters, another dime. I will not obey another one of their unlawful "laws" (Including Obamacare, etc.). I will not play anymore of their games by registering, voting, etc.
And anyone that thinks that they are not yet at war against us, start observing your local gun and badge thugs a little more closely--they are war against YOU already, whether you know it or not.
"They may choose the battle, I will choose the battlefield."
Bingo!
Terrorist means enemies of the self important entitled ones.
And there is nothing new about this from the perspective of history, as Jesus Christ himself would freely attest.
Jump you fuckers!
I'm not a religious guy, but what the hell:
The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. He saw that there was no one, He was appalled that there was no one to intervene.
But Obama is intervening on your behalf with ACA, infinite money printing, endless unemployment, dissability and countless other interventions. Just suck up your losses and sacrifice for the collective.
I am Spartacus.
Everybody is a fucking terroist now days. Did they really have to shoot to kill that 18 year old girl? She needed help. They're just luck the kid wasn't shot.
If you have eaten a garden salad sometime during the past 12 months, you are a terrorist.
I believe in the Constitution of the United States. If that makes me considered to be an enemy, SO BE IT. My family has resided on these shores since the 17th century. MOLON LABE.
the "constitution" is long gone. Long gone. The US has been a fascist state for at least 100 years.
Yes, we are an oligarchy. We have unelected people (many of whom don't even live in the United States) controlling our government and selecting the politicians we vote for, while the illusion is created that we still have free elections and rule of law. It is no coincidence that our current President has no verifiable history and worked for the likes of Henry Kissinger, even though he is supposedly the "Progressive" candidate. It is no coincidence that his first challenger was the son of an Admiral. It is no coincidence that his last opponent was a venture capitalist who made hundreds of millions buying and breaking up viable companies. The vast majority of people don't see it. Perhaps the oligarchs have finally gone too far and killed the golden goose of the middle class, but their answer to that is the NSA, militarized dumbed down police, yes-man federal employees, and the hollow points.
"militarized dumbed down police" +1,000,000,000
When the oligarchy can orchestrate the economy and crash it they force the idiots of society to join the military - fight their wars - and come home knowing how to do no other job than one that requires carrying a weapon. Brain. Washed. And heavily innoculated with all kinds of chemistry altering shots to make sure the drones don't turn on their master.
Rand. These people you speak of, they were the one's who hand picked Obama to be the new Bush. The elites knew Americans were not likely to vote for a republican president after Bush's ratings hit single digit. Knowing that, they dug deep into their assets and out came this guy nobdy had heard of. The perfect guy to groom for the democratic Bush. They ran a fake campaign to get him elected. Once in office, he kept the Bush financial team, he kept the Bush military team and staffed the state department with neocons straight from the AIPAC and Neocon think tanks in Washington. Bank bailouts continued, war continued, new wars started, like Libya and Syria. Israel got Hillary, the woman who takes more pride in her connections to Israel and her daughter's husband being one of them, than she ever cred about the American people.
Obama is a fake, he is a puppet your hidden rulers put in office by faking out the stupid American people. Imagine Obama was ready to pull the trigger on Syria, it took a last minute cashing of the oval office by top military brass to stop him setting off World War three.
The ruling class is going to start a giant war, the middle east will be in flames. and it could spread to Russia and Iran. The elites defense stocks will sky rocket, and there will be more of those dancing Israelis. Obama makes me want to puke. Yet the right wingers still call him a socialist and a liberal. Talk about fooling the American people! Yikes.
What scares me most is how successful these guys have been at playing the tribalism of humanity. They are good at it, and I doubt it can be reversed by the few of us who see it.
They are good at it because we are good at it
More and more Max Keiser has been digging down deep into the shadow government and insider market that most Americans never hear of or even suspect exists. His show on RT is becoming more informative by the day, and his choice of guests is really pulling back the cloak off of the isde nature of government and markets. Very scary stuff I might add! I fear that he is digging to near the truth and that RT will pull his show any day now. They even state before his programs that RT has no connection to the opinions expressed on his show. They do this for no other show on RT. The British guy who does "The Truth Seeker" only has a few 15 minute shows a month, but when he is on, he blows the fucking lid off of the lies and the crimes of the USA secret police and CIA, along with it's many foreign agents across the globe. He and Max are really on the edge. Every day that RT keeps them on is a good day. But it can't last, they both are going after the biggest powers on earth. Like Snowden said, If you cross them, they will get you, nothing can stop them. They are the most powerful force on earth". That is why Snowden is heavily guarded in Russia. But his days are numbered. Sucide, car accident, over dose of drugs, unexplained infection, heart attack, the CIA has many ways to kill, even inside Russia, Snowden is not safe.
Look at it this way, if there was not a secret powerful elite behind all this, then how can anyone explain the mass crimes of the Bankers that resulted in 2008, and nothing at all was done, but to bail them out. And now they are back at it all again, only this time with free Fed trillions! Only if they are being proctected by government, could their frauds continue and expand. Yep, the elites are pulling the strings. What is going to stop them? I don't know. It sure will not be the 30% of Americans who watch FOX news, or the 20% who watch MSNBC!!!
Sad 1) that RT is the closest thing we have to a true free press in the West, and 2) that RT is also sufficiently controlled by the bankers that it now includes the disclaimer for MK.
+5 for Max Keiser. Max and Stacy are going for the jugular here. Their continued presence on RT is inexplicable to me. Maybe it's just YouTube underreporting the numbers, but it seems that Max has just 20,000 viewers on a regular basis. Older episodes might hit 50K views, but regular viewers looking to catch the latest stream are not large. Probably the most intelligent and onpoint financial show in the world. A family member of mine is turned off by Max's theatrics. The sheep won't listen to anything but the Siren's call of muffled NPR-speak, it seems. :(
You are right, the labels have been perpetuated. But is it not simpler than that? Good vs Evil fits best inside my mug. Good seems to be on an extended oBUMMER style vacation. I hope she returns very well rested.
Have you ever heard of the "Spirit of The Law"? I normally up-vote your intellect. not today
If you can recall what it says....and you are still pumping air...it ain't gone.
Not under Calvin Coolidge.
Through constant messaging those who believe in the constitution have been marginalized as extremist fundamentalists, pledging allegiance to an ancient document, not unlike most religious ones. Constitutionalists are facing the same headwinds as all other religions, simply tolerated as foolish if not out rightly condemned. There are many here have contempt for Christianity as an artificial construct used to force others in to behaviors that they believe have no value. This is the same for the constitution as I have spoken to many who see it as a relic and find any adherents as somehow trying to drag society back into the 1700's. The media is subtly dismissing those who do not firmly adhere to the "progressive" mentality. Old is bad and new is good and if an educated person says "forward" only a backward retard would resist. While I'm firmly in the camp of the constitutionalists, time marches on. we can't put the genie back in the bottle. They have effectively indoctrinated the bulk of society while increasing their dependency on a failed paradigm. Yes it will fail, but those who are progressive cannot turn back. They are every bit as much a religious ideologue as any Muslim radical. Their rationalizations will not let them see anything but what "could be" rather than what is and what logic tells us is coming. Our founders were largely wise and intelligent, but they warned us of the fragility of our circumstances. We are seeing our society fracturing before our eyes.
I have completely come to terms with it. Finally. With the help of my friends at ZH.
Its a magic blackmail machine....it's a magic time machine....it's a magic trading kiosk...it's a...
There's really nothing it can't do. The only reason neither "side" does anything to shut it down is they want it in their dirty little dick pickers.
The thing is this. Nobody can wrestle it away from who HAS IT RIGHT NOW.
What opposition could ever win an election again with the dirt this could mine, manufacture and/or plant? Who could compete against its ability to raise campaign funds? Extort, launder, inside trade...it does all that and more.
I truly believe the only way to combat the blackmail aspect is:
* perspective politicians have to own every skeleton in the closet and air them out proudly
* voters need to acknowledge their own shady histories and vote accordingly. Face it, we all have shit to hide.
We can't keep reacting to smear and smut dug up on people. It's being dug on us too.
Who the fuck cares, they cannot even find the replacement toilet paper roll to replenish the empty cardboard core.
Ed Snowden, NSA, and Fairy Tales
Show me one example in which NSA prevented a attack on the United States. What about the woman that was shot to death yesterday. Did the NSA prevent the DC police force in committing a thought crime? Nope. Did the NSA prevent a man setting himself on fire today? Nope.
So exactly what does the NSA really do? We all would like to know since we fund your ass through taxpaper funding. Don’t become another ObamaCare defunding nightmare.
way way way way too much fucking red
In more ways than one
I have heard by several sources, even in the main stream media. The origin being Snowden's releases, that the NSA is giving all the raw data about all American citizens directly to Israel. Israeli intelligence can thus track any American who has even a slight dislike of Israeli policies and it's repression of native peoples. Apparently the NSA considers that Israel needs and has a right to all Americans private information. Do I believe this story as appeared in Snowdens NSA leaks? Damn right I do. Israel runs America, and AIPAC is their direct agent. Anyone saying different is likley to have a personal interest in Israel, and to be more loyal to that state than to America. So to those folks, feel free to down arrow all hell out of me for telling the truth.
Is that so?
Let's test. Hey Israel, you spying dirty motherfuckers!
Hug my nutz!
"Hug my nutz"?
Are you asking the Israelis or are you asking me....cause I like you and everything...but I'm not hugging your nutz.
30, 33, 36, ...
Israel has been selling data and info on americans at least since the early 80s. You just needed $$$ and know who to ask (and it wasnt their government). Used it numerous time to track down deadbeats who welched on debts.
Did Francis get the boot?
Maybe Francis has multiple personalities like Sybil which was a fake story made up by a patient who wanted attention and a psychiatrist who was writing a book about her realized too late that she was lying so she ran with it. She was getting national attention for it so why stop the gravy train or the attention. Kinda like global warming or Occupy or Obama.
http://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141514464/real-sybil-admits-multiple-perso...
your sir/ma'am are a ass napkin.
The analysis is mathematically accurate, but it depends on one unreliable premises: that the NSA is sincerely looking for terrorists.
By now they must have figured out that real crazy ass Muslim bomb nuts conspiring in large far flung groups are rare to the point of nonexistence. One action picture has more terrorists than there are in the whole US.
Even war whores are beginning to see a lack of proportion between the effort and expense and the result To keep the story alive, they have to have live trophies. And since real threats aren't to be found, they'll have to create some.
Will it be Brietbart editing, or guilt by association, or just a classic frame job? Dunno. Or will they just invent a terrorist the way you invent a character for a movie. Could be the easiest.
If they want volunteers for captured terrorist duty, I don't know anyone interested.
The NSA is the Terrorist. They wish to silence those who question the status quo, through veiled threats and intimidation, which is nothing short of Stasi tactics. The IRS is the terrorist, auditing any who openly question those whose only task is to protect and defend the rights of the people as defined in the U.S. Constitution.
Max Keiser says that all the NSA total information sweeps are ending up in the hands of the big banks and trading houses. The ultimate insider information to trade on. No business decission or future plans or doming sale or transaction can escape the NSA net. Handed over to the NSA's friends at JPM, Goldman and the big hedge funds, this information makes front running the markets childs play. Keiser openly accuses the NSA of being part of market fraud by passing secrets to insiders to trade on.
Do I believe the NSA would do this, do I think Max is right? Right now I am not sure, but I am giving it a 50/50 chance. Max has been right about a lot of things in the last decade. Most especially when it comes to insider frauds. NSA is a sink hole of greed and corruption, plus they are a part of the world's fastest expanding police state. The USA is heading for Nazism on a grand scale.
Do I believe the NSA would do this
Jack! Come on. Why would they not?
In that case, I'm selling all my gold and silver and going long the market. In fact, I'm triple leveraging long, especially financials. They convinced me. BTATH.
wink.
And to LetThemEatRand's point, let's also be clear that the NSA depends on avenues to communication or patterns of relationships, and if you're not participating in those, you're much more difficult to "pattern."
While NSA probably spends lots of time convincing themselves that they have a firm grip on those they spy on, I have to believe that reality is much different. You can't track someone who doesn't leave foot prints. It's relatively easy to fade out of their view, but you need to be willing to make lifestyle changes. Lots of those lifestyle changes involve being more self-sufficient, less prone to the seduction of advertising, and a better custodian of relationships.
Anyway, NSA can suck the fur off my balls. You're all traitors to the 4th amendment. I don't think you're working in my interest as a citizen. Edward Snowden is a patriot.
Excellent point. I think we all need to seriously cultivate randomness and unpredictability.
Hugmmugha hump hump baaagrahmmmmklph.
Looks like you mastered it. Care to share your public key?
I'm free range ADHD. I came wired for random right off the shelf.
Bernard Nothaus is a domestic terrorist according to the US Attorney for Western District of North Carolina.
http://www.fbi.gov/charlotte/press-releases/2011/defendant-convicted-of-...
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Algonquin J Majority report gumshoe hump a baggy dress bent over dry -- 69. Pubic Key Pubic Key. Cambio.
Edward Snowden deserves a Medal of Honor.
two people have staged extreme acts against the government in the last week, both were reported to be mentally unstable, but in fact both were exactly correct about their suspicions. the first was the washington DC shipyard shooter who recognized he was being bombarded with radio frequency waves (true, although no one measures these things, to say how much is too much, the issue is not are they harmful, is the amount of this energy significant, and yes compared to say twenty years ago you are getting a lot more rf every day) secondly a woman claims obama is spying on her. this is a factually true statement. now the rationalists will complain that no one has proven that these things (higher ambient rf signals) and NSA spying, has a detrimental effect. that's not the point, higher background RF signal levels exist, and the NSA is spying on people, the people who recognize this are fundamentally correct, and not insane.
Near the end of my mother's life, she had a number of small strokes that affected her thinking. She often told us that she was being spied on and all her rooms were bugged by the Federal agents. Doctors recommended drug therapy. We had to put her in a nursing home, wher she continued to complain to nurses that the Federal agents were bugging her room at the home. It was almost funny, but then it was the sign of her decline, and when it's your own mother, you don't find that sort of thing funny. Yet now, a decade later, when I think about her claims of being spied on all the time by government, I do laugh. It turns out she was right! The doctors who said her mind was going from the strokes were wrong! She didn't lose capacity, the strokes opened her mond to the truth! Oddly enough she was 100% right. And now we know it, thanks to Snowden! That is how crazy America has become. her madness at that time, is now considered normal. We are all sped on in our wevery move by a government totally out of control. It is clear we give government way too much tax money, if they can afford to do all this spy shit, support Al-Qaeda with money and weapons and threaten to attack Syria, Iran and now McCain wants to attack Russia, him and Plain both!
America is officially insane. Would anyone argue that point?
That rare, old school intuition is real. And who said "The only normal people are the ones I don't know."?
NSA Spying Never Catches Israelis?
Follow the faces, it leads to the rabbit hole.
They weren't spies.
They were Art Students I tell you!
Oblameo's never visited 6 states. If you live in one of them...u-r-a terrrrrist !
TOTUS is the "pass-over" KING...
Well, he makes up for it since he was born in 6 different states and therefore they count twice.
Here's a question: Why would someone who is truly a terrorist bother using the internet or even a phone?
Surely modern technologies would only a.) inhibit real-world production (i.e. getting preparations done) and b.) compromise security for any parties with two or more actors.
Besides, the Face-to-Face thing is far more real and convincing. Also helps with bonding. I don't know any terrorists, nor do I plan on meeting any or getting to know any, but I can almost guarantee you that anyone who is serious about it is NOT operating online.
Fuck, I should work for NSA. They need a genius like me who can figure this kind of shit out for them. Too Easy.
And you get more travel miles that way!