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Less Than 1% Of Exchange Visitors Are Signing Up For Obamacare
Yesterday we noted the little-white-lie that California had told by exaggerating the traffic to the Obamacare exchange by a factor 8. Well, it turns out that there is another somewhat exaggerated "fact" that appears to have permeated the mainstream media - that significant numbers of Americans have signed up for healthcare already. The absolutely dismal fact is, as The Daily Mail reports, from states such as California, Connecticut, and Vermont, less than 1% of exchange visitors are signing up for Obamacare.
As President Obama's signature health insurance overhaul effort began to enroll new participants on Monday, some states running their own insurance exchanges saw huge levels of website traffic but paltry interest in signing up.
California, the ultimate blue state whose federal lawmakers voted overwhelmingly in support of Obamacare, turned less than 1 per cent of its Web visits into 'Covered California' participants on Tuesday.
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Caldwell couldn't say how many of the 5.7 million website hits were from unique Californians. But assuming 712,500 online visitors saw eight different Web pages each, the sign-up rate was 0.58 per cent.
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Connecticut saw a similarly low rate of interest. Democratic Congressman Jim Himes tweeted after 8:30 p.m. Monday that his state's health exchange had 'received 28k visitors, and took 167 applications for health insurance. Day 1.'
That indicates just 0.59 per cent of Connecticut residents who sought information about their state's Obamacare program on Monday decided to become part of it,
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New York Department of Health executive director Donna Frescato said in a statement that 'more than 12,000 business owners and individuals from across the state have shopped online for low-cost health insurance plans ... and the site has received nearly 30 million web visits.'
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A spokesman didn't respond to a request for clarification about whether those 12,000 people completed applications for health coverage. If they did, and if each 'web visit' corresponded to a New Yorker who saw 8 pages, the state's enrollment rate would be the lowest of all – 0.32 per cent.
The low numbers of new enrollees stand in stark contrast to the robust website traffic statistics, suggesting that day-one anxieties about non-functioning online portals may have been overblown.
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'Americans across the country – millions of Americans – are taking advantage of the opportunity to shop for affordable health insurance that they could not attain before now,' White House Press Secretary Jay Carney insisted on Monday.
But without enrollment figures, it's impossible to know whether Obamacare is seeing a flood of new customers or just a trickle.
The White House did not respond to a request for those numbers.
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Media representatives for health insurance exchanges in Maryland, Oregon, Colorado, Idaho and Hawaii did not respond to requests for enrollment statistics.
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I'm not signing up for shit. If I get sick it's pre existing condition. I'll pay one premium and get treated.
People who have a problem with Obamacare need to look at the bigger picture. Affordable healthcare is only one part of the Obama administration's plan to support the middle class. Today's article at the Accredited Times examines the benefits of investing in the middle class, and why the middle class may be the key to economic prosperity:
http://accredited-times.com/2013/10/04/investing-in-the-middle-class-they-key-to-a-strong-economy/
Fine, then YOU pay 300% of your current insurance premium to join ACA.
MDB is convinced that helping the middle class means taking their money to pay the subsidies for others insurance coverage.
Fore-ward!
What's wrong with taking money from the insurance companies to help make healthcare more affordable? Sure, a few rich people will lose out initially, but who do you think buys their products? Answer: the middle class.
http://accredited-times.com/2013/10/04/investing-in-the-middle-class-they-key-to-a-strong-economy/
This post is funnier. Please understand your real role here and make injecting humor your highest priority.
Everybody I talk to say its either health care or house payments, and they're not willing to sleep in their cars just so Obummer can jerk off in front of the news camera.
You Amerikans are so screwed. A lot of the planet doesn't have "insurance" companies and they have health systems equal or better than yours. Your insurance companies are forcing 9% YOY increases that WILL bankrupt everyone. Obozocare is a disaster. Maybe not today but soon.
Big Pharma is the one screwing me. I have conditions that require three meds, two of them pretty much in perpetuity. I could live without them, but not comfortably. Last winter I made a trip to Arizona and hopped over the border for a shopping trip. My meds were not only available without a prescription, but were less than 1/10 the cost at home. I picked up a year's worth, and will be going back.
I wonder REALLY how much other countries' systems depend on drugs developed in the US, how many people travel to the US to places like the Mayo Clinic for treatment they can't get at home, etc. Because if laws ended up being passed saying that drug and other medical companies are forced to start charging everyone else what they charge us, it might not just be us that are screwed. We've been subsidizing the planet's healthcare, and it needs to stop.
Eventually, it'll be cheaper to travel to Thailand for top notch medical care than to pay for Obozo's health care.
Thailand Medical Tourism
MDB, you need to tell us where the insurance compaies get their money.
While your at it, tell us where the Fed's get their money to administer all this hogwash.
Apperantly, all this money just grows on a tree in the Eccles Building lobby...
DaddyO
The problem with non market forces channeling funds is that political forces become the dominant factor. Who you know, (exemption for politicians friends and family, ring any bells). Political contributions. Additionally, it is obvious that liquidity will make prices go up. Therefore not affordable. $1000 dollar gubmint hammer anyone. The Greek welfare state is collapsing, why emulate them.
"What's wrong with taking money from the insurance companies"
You are a fucking moron. Where does the insurance company get its money? You and me. You are taking money from you and me. Not insurance companies.
All insurance companies have a social midgets known as actuaries...and you arent going to get a dime from them.
I did a 'back of the envelope' calculation and found that if pot were legal and taxed @10% that a clinic could be put in most every neighborhood in America. It would be able to offer all basic treatments: broken bones, infection, prescription, pre-natal, etc..
Instead of "ObummerCare" they'd call it "WeActuallyDoCare".
This shit is about the powerful medical mafia puttin' us over a barrel.
Fuck 'em.
Shhh.... Don't tell anyone at big pharma, but in Orygun, one can buy a complete cycle of cancer curing Rick Simpson Oil for about $1200.
I can't even get on the site to get a quote! They should have set it up thru AMZN.
ObummerScam is QUIBID material.
Crap on a cracker, MDB - you're so deluded you shine like a well used door knob.
"and why the middle class may be the key to economic prosperity: "
What if I disagree? What if I think the middle class is not the key to economic prosperity? What if I think the Government is the key to economic prosperity? Would you argue against me?
Bigger picture? It's a bloody tax, nothing else. And you know the power to tax is the power to destroy.
Hearthcare? I'm having a laugh. The so-called 'middle class' are the bag holders. No bonus you POS.
I would be happy to support your ass. Please send me $1 million dollars, and I will invest in you.
MillionDollarBonus,
If you're joking, haha. If you're serious, you're a sheep following moron. I mean, is it ignorance (which could be tolerated), willful ignorance (intolerable), or are you a fucking idiot hack ObamaTool??!
STFU
Have a nice day!!!
To quote Joe Rogan. ..you must be as high as giraffe pussy...
A free cell phone is tempting.....but I'm holding our for a free lifetime supply of heroin.
if you're interested in free porn i hear there may be some openings at the SEC and DOJ
When the Talaban ran the Hotel al Queda, there was ZERO heroin/opium being produced there. When W took over, production soared. Shocking.
I've tried to access the site for 3 days. Just get a message "Many visitors are trying to access site. Please be patient" 3 fucking days- what a typical .gov clusterfuck
New healthcare......brought to you by the DMV.
The traffic jam is where lookie-luus are trying to log off the sites.
Three years and $300 million doesn't go very far today. But they tried really, really hard.
"we have to fully fund it before we get to see whether it works."
paraphrasing nancy pelosi (Likud-CA)
Right there wit you Holmes. Whoever got the contract to build that system really screwed the pooch. Maybe we can get some HFT dude co-located.
The Obama administration insists that you refer to the multiple problems with ACA websites as a clusterglitch, not a clusterfuck. Do it for the sensitive children!
Same here.
I already blew thru' my lifetime limit on my medical coverage under the old system.
The Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz has nothing on me,I.ve got so much metal in me I prolly
need to go into an auto shop anyways.
This is hilarious! ObamAHCare was never meant to be OPTIONAL!! Those 99% idiots NOT signing up after their own review of the options available to them DON'T UNDERSTAND what they were looking at, in the way of FREE healthcare, as it was sold to the drooling sheep of this nation!! I would bet dollars to donuts the big revelation for the majority of those who saw how much free healthcare cost -
Said: WTF?? ...Who could afford this shit??
The Affordable Care Act is Obama's shining gift to the American people. Comply and assimilate or you will be destroyed.
I think a vast majority of those signing up thought it would be free. Once they found out what it would cost, they were done.
Right duo. I believe we all know there really IS no free lunch. When the bills come due for QE-forever, our kids aren't gonna' have a fighting chance. These monsters have usurped our country right out from under our noses and made our prodgeny debt-slaves forever (until the 'reset' button is hit). Remember what debt and hyperinflation did to the Weimar Republic with WWI reparations. This is a set-up to beat all previous set-ups.
You truly believe that "we" know there is no such thing as free???????
You need to get around more. I hear from people on a daily basis who truly believe that anything the government gives them is free, and they have zero impetus to think beyond that. having never needed to think beyond that, they've acquired no skill at doing so, and any attempt to use the most simplistic of reasoning or analogy is met by blank stares, outright violent contempt for you, or at best cognitive dissonance. the few who exhibit the latter at least offer some hope. they elected obama. (not that tweedle dum would have made a difference)
the best analogy might be the incident 11 years ago when I told my 5-yr old that we couldn't buy something (forget what it was) because I had no money. She said that I needed to go to the bank and put that card in the machine and get some money. that;s where the lessons in econ and finance and logic began. today she's already completed her 1st two years of college.
that's one problem today. those addicted to the largesse in their mailbox rarely had anyone demonstrate any of those principles. who would do that? public school? ROFLMAO. their parents??? again rolling. that would require that their parents actually possess the knowledge. 'i bequeath you a lifetime of ignorance and reliance on government. the only thing that you need to know is to pull the (D) lever.'
"I believe we all know there really IS no free lunch."
For certain values of "we".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2E3D09AE23F9E3B0&v=P36x8rTb3jI
Duo ; yes but before abandoning the site they probably typed in all their personal info, ensuring 'first on the list' attention. It's the Amerikan way, trusting. Idiots.
Yep, very soon knocks on the door with black jack booted thugs and dozens of guns pointing at your head demanding that you sign up or you'll end up like the D.C. dental hygentist.
The truly ironic part is that the ACA will hurt Obama's constituents the hardest. It won't effect upper-middle and higher classes of citizens as they are typically covered under their employers health care plans or have their own gold-policies.
The ACA is going to implode in very short order. A fraction of those required will register due to the inflated costs and reduced services. When the mandate kicks in and people have not registered, the IRS will go after them for the opt-out $$$, penalties and interest. This is when we will see angry mobs in the streets protesting the great messiah's shining vision of health care in the US.
Great so in the past you paid through your nose for sub-par healthcare, now you will be forced to pay through your nose for NO Healthcare, Forward!
this isn't like car insurance where you can pay a month's premium, get a card, and drive for 5 months without insurance. The IRS is going to deduct the premium from your paycheck. There will be no escape.
I think letting the ACA play out will do more for the Republican party than trying to stop it.
>> do more for the Republican party
And doing more for the Republican party will do jack shit for J6P.
There is no difference between progressive Republicans and progressive Democrats except for the name.
That really was never a true statement; viz., there has always been a difference in the rank and file. To be sure, that difference has never manifested itself very well at the top, so I do understand why one would make assertions such as yours, but such really reflect shallow analysis. Moreover, we now have the Tea Party, and while the Tea Party's influence is not as strong as one might like, who could argue that the Tea Party is not strictly a Republican phenomenon?
Edit: Just noticed that you prefaced both with "progressive," in which case I would have to agree.
Boehner has two reasons to oppose funding the ACA right now. First, too much of the Republican base insists on it, and he wants to keep his job. Second, if the indivicdual mandate goes into effect in January there is the possibility that Republicans would own both houses of Congress come January 2015, and then Boehner would have to accomplish something while working with Senate Republicans. Now he can simply participate in the blame game and not worry about doing anything worthwhile.
Based on that same premise, Obama has a problem. He probably wants the ACA individual mandate to be delayed to keep Harry Reid as the Senate Majority leader. Dealing with a Republican-controlled Congress - both houses - would be no fun at all. But refusing to push the ACA now would infuriate his base. Both Obama and Boehner seen to be caught in a bind.
On a different tack, anyone know what percentage of ACA website visits were done by illegal aliens? Or how many of those that signed up are illegals? Just wondering.
I am signing up. All of the Tyler's efforrts to spin this as something people don't want is going to make him look like an ass in the end. FUCKYO Tyler.
Good luck wid it, homes.
How about this scenario. The exchanges start out like a solid alternatve. Obummer gets his face next to the Bernak on Mt. Rushmore. Over the course of a few years corporations (like IBM etc are already doing) dump massive amounts of employees coverage and throw them onto the exchanges. Especially the older ones. So the premiums on the exchanges just start going parabolic. In the first few months of his third term Obummer blames big business for wrecking his baby and uses it as an excuse to hike corporate tax rates. In reality this does not benefit anyone except the bloated beast, which will continue to use any way they can to live another day.
Fonz, when you've got the entire MSM licking your boots and 51% of the population is too stupid and uninformed to know if it's sunny or rainy outside their own door, ANY STORY WILL DO TO PUSH THE AGENDA.
You're thinking about this too hard.
He can say ANYTHING. It will be called the truth.
and he has the greatest mouthpiece any administration could ever ask for in the Jon Stewart show and the Colbert Report
David Letterman, Brian Williams, ...
They're deeply infected transmitters of the disease, no doubt. But in case you haven't noticed, the zombies are everywhere and they're winning. We're losing big and losing fast.
1990s- everyone looked to computers, the internet and .com stocks to get their free money.
2000s- everyone looked to houses to get their free money.
2010s- everyone is looking to .gov to get their free money.
Bubble after bubble after bubble. .Gov is the last car in that train. When that party's over, it's over.
The premiums are already parabolic and ramp up higher over time. This is a time bomb that is going to blow up long belore Obama leaves office. I call that the protests begin in earnest in Qtr 1 of 2014, leading in the mid-terms. The shit is going to hit the democrat fan in a big way next year.
Yep. At best Obamacare is a zero-sum game. A wealth-transfer scheme in which half the people benefit and half don't. If Obamacare is 100% efficient (cough) and simply shifts costs from one group to another, let's look at the two groups.
Group A: They get free or reduced-cost health insurance. They are happy, but they are already getting a slew of government welfare benefits so Obamacare is just one more slice of that. These people were already solid democratic voters
Group B. They get kicked out of their old policy and have to buy a more expensive one from Obamacare. Or they keep their current policy but their rates go up because of all the new stuff their policies are mandated to cover. Or they never wanted insurance and now have to pay a penalty. These people are a mix of Democrats, independents, and Republicans. They are pissed.
Voter turnout is higher for pissed people than it is for slightly happier people.
I am sure the DNC will figure out a clever way to blame the GOP. Its worked for them in the past and it will work again, and again, because people are just too plain stupid.
Also consider if Romney won we probably won't be in any better shape with Romney-Care which is nearly as bad.
The idea that a bunch of deadbeats are going to one> go out and buy insurance and two> actually keep up on their payments for it is a total pipe dream. Gimme a brreak, just shut the whole mess down already.
Consider that in our current fascist state, big business has decided that it is better to dump all healthcare benefits onto the public dole as a means of increasing profit. It's globalism writ large. These are the same companies who are firing or downsizing workers and then lobbying Congress for amnesty. Obama does not stand against IBM, Monsanto, Google, etc.
Thank you.
Of all the "isms" that are bandied about on ZH, fascism rings truest to me.
When the corporations dump all their employees into the exchanges we will actually be close to universal healthcare. Problem solved.
Not sure why people want healthcare provided from those with a profit motive. Makes zero sense to me.
Are you forgetting that the exchanges are simply a website from which you can buy insurance from health insurance companies? Yeah, it would be universal healthcare that is run through a profit-seeking monopoly with no mechanism to reduce or contain health care cost. Problem solved"??? Really??
"When the corporations dump all their employees into the exchanges we will actually be close to universal healthcare."
A. They can't because of the mandates, they have to provide healthcare to all full time workers. The only option is to switch all of their employees to part-time workers instead.
B. The exchanges are the existing healthcare insurance providers, but the premiums are higher and they include less benefits than before.
C. Its not universal healthcare, its universal insurance premiums. There is nothing free in this program.
I am signing up.
Somewhere in the deep bowels of a Federal building a bell is clanging and strobe lights are going off.
WE GOT ONE!!!
Kind of like a K-Mart red light special... lol...
When you register for ACA, you have the option of an implanted RFID chip or a barcode tattooed on your forearm. If I ever have to get one, I'll tell them my name is "Not Sure" and take it from there.
We can only hope it is the forearm.
It will be on your Foreskin if you got it
What's taking so long? You should have been first in line.
Thanx, you have removed all doubt we are getting through.
Oh, and by the way, thanks for subsidizing and paying for my healthcare. Muchas gracias.
You are working a solid 40 right???
Yeah!... 318-2596 Tyler
Thanks for the heads up man, this whole time I thought it was 867-5309. Guess this isn't the 80's anymore....
slightyfuckingstupid is what you are my friend.
Who wants some shitty .gov HELLTH care?
No one.
How about no one signs up , no one has medical insurance and the whole edifice implodes?
Which is exactly what is going to happen. There will not be enough subscribers to support the exchanges, rates will escalate and the whole thing will implode. Not before the Dems spend billions to try and make it work.
Billions?....you so silly. Here is what they will spend: all of it and it will be in the trillions
Who can fucking afford the shitty coverage? My insurance has almos tripled. A very close friend's insurance has gone up $900.0 a month. If the mandate doesn't start a revolt nothing will.
The "mandate" was for insurance companies to price gouge as a group. Prices for health insurance rose in the months before the law was passed and have gone up at (compounded) double digit pace over the last 4 years.
The fact that insurance companies have been raising prices in advance is the part you never hear anybody talk about. We would meet with our provider rep. every year for renewal and they would come out and say "your prices are increasing 17% this year due to Obamacare".
do not apply, why give them our names?? let IRS and NSA hunt us down..applying is consent.
Ah, but they have criminalized non-participation. You don't register, your driver's license is revoked, your bank accounts attached and you have a warrant out for your arrest. You think I'm kidding? Just why do you think they put the IRS in charge of compliance? Those guys don't fuck around and do not follow due process. They are above the law as we have seen repeatedly this year.
This is simply the insurance companies making a last grab for the cash. Come January things will be every different for them. The insurance companies are the ones at fault for all of this. had they not been uber greedy we wouldn't even need Obamacare.
%20 increase every year for the last 4 years...
Ahh you lost me at Daily Mail... they could have an exclusive on the second coming of christ for all I care.
Really.A surreal world we are living in, when a trash tabloid like the Snail is breaking
real news,and the NYT is peddling bullshit.
I picked a bad decade to give up mushrooms.
A lot of Lefties in here today.........
Good, we welcome our lefty and righty brothers & sisters. Echo chambers are not good for keeping the arguments sharp for the libertarian perspective.
+1 It doesn't hurt to have someone to bleed all your frustrations out on, either.
I suspect the "problem" is that the HealthCare.gov web site is continuously in "Please wait" mode.
Don't you mean the please "hurry up and wait" mode?
All I know is that when I finally do get logged on to the web site and price insurance for me and the Mrs I'm gonna buy the most expensive policy I can get cus the price is just going to explode down the line.
<Wait.....I think that only applies to PMs. Now I'm confused.>
Cog Dis - Of course it is going to explode. The insurance companies are anticipating a huge influx of illegal immigrants coming to US to sign up for ObamaCare. ObamaCare, EBT card, and ultimately Social security.... where else in the world are you going to find this sweet deal?
The insurance compnaies are not going to find themselves screwed. They will make as much as possible now.... knowing in the future, too many illegals will bankrupt the system.
If I recall correctly, the immigration bill excludes illegals from Obamacsre (BenDoverCare). Lucky them. They will be the only source of labor that has full time jobs.
"The insurance compnaies are not going to find themselves screwed."
Nope, since they can simply stop offering insurance plans that cover them. Some of the Insurance companies have already pulled out of the individual healthcare offerings (CA for example). There is nothing to stop them from dropping out in the future. They are not going to be screwed at all.
The affordable health care act is just as affordable as the patriot act is patriotic.../sarc
if it's more expensive now than 2 years ago, who the hell would sign up? If you couldnt afford then, you sure as shit cant afford it now... Pay the fine...why anyone would sign up for this is beyond me
More Chicken Soup for the Soul.
This obligatory social bloatware crammed down our collective maw, is going to dry up and blow away.
For fallen, fallen, fallen is Babylon, Mother of Whores
She who has made all the nations
Drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication
Come out my people, says the Lord
That you may not participate in her sins
and that you may not receive of her plagues.
obsess yourself with causality
the information you hear
is a loophole
a technicality
behind every object is a mathematic
an obscure substance
infused with a kinetic force
energy
an obscure substance
shoots a gun at the feet
and the world
dances
babylon mystery
mother of harlots
and all these
abominations of the earth
that sit
on many waters
drunk with the blood
of the martyrs of jesus
and I wondered
with great
admiration
Demand JUSTICE for Miriam Carey!! She died for every average American for our sins..black and white asian and hispanic she is our sister our mother our daughter,.
Sounds like fun.
A drunk driving candle-light vigil.
Up-arrow for M Doughty.
As well as expressing the fact that it's all just math. Turtles all the way down.
I can't get in and sign up, and I've been trying every day.
REALLY surprised folks here can't see that low registration rates are related to a shitty interface. I suppose some are predisposed to their way of thinking.
As always it seems since Obama was elected, we have to rely on a British media source to get the news we won't find in the MSM in the states.
I don't give a shit, I will not comply period. Obumbler, congress and all of government can kiss my ass.
You show em. Get something chronic and communicable too, just to give their lesson some 'sting'.
Hold up...let's say he/she did get something chronic and communicable - but DID sign up for ObummerCare. Have you seen the DEDUCTIBLES?
So, you have people paying for unaffordable premiums (for many) who get sick and then have to declare bankruptcy and ruin because of a $13,000 deductible.
One could save the premium in many cases and pay for care in cash. But then again, they won't be able to drive to the doctor / ER because the fucking goobermint will have taken his/her driver's license for failure to comply. Will he/she also be subject to arrest upon his/her arrival for the healthcare that can be paid for in cash?
This is insanity.
good for the cab business!
Judging the stats on California (where HMOs are king and most people already have shitty coverage so don't need to buy shitty coverage) is less than useful.
I think you are dead wrong about "most" people having coverage. People use ERs to get meds and for colds and brocnghitis. Pretty sure you are wrong about Cali.
Not for nothing but lots of my laid-off friends have told me they've tried and can't get thru - the website tanks.
Looks like they are getting dangerously close to loosing the consent of those who elected these fuckers to SERVE us. You can almost taste the fucking outright incompetance of these idiots.
What dont they understand about the words 'Public Servant'. Its spelt out right infront of the stupid bastards and they still cannot see it is they who serve us.
:-(
First, you are assuming that the election results are accurate. Many don't.
Secondly, do you really think the power elites give a shit about you and me? The ACA is all about control of the masses and extracting a health care tax. They care about us to the extent of tax revenue we generate.
oCbOoRmPRbAiTcEaWrEeLFARE
And the completion of the Surveilance State.
I do not like the ACA but this is really non news. You do not have to sign up yet and everyone is just checking out their options right now. If your employer has insurance you have to weight those costs versus your costs on the exchange.
That being said, this ACA is a disaster and the cost/tax consequences are going to start showing up in a few years. The Federal subsidies have to be paid by someone....and only if Ben could pick up that tab!
A friend's daughter is 20, 1 infant, and hubby live in NC. Makes $9.50 hour, and hubby roughly same, maybe $12. Numbers are $188 per week + $4K deductable, he's deduced through reading up for her. Wow! BTW, inlaws keep the baby saving them around $250 wk. These assholes in DC have lost the very concept of working class young couple's incomes.
I have a health care solution for America.
Everybody who can afford health care with cash up front gets it. Everybody else gets all the morphine they'll need to ease their passing for a low monthly payment of $100.
I'd sign up for that plan. I'm ready to go.
Ironically Rex, that would cause competition for clients, reducing cost to those who can afford the cash option. Kinda like "capitalism"(this old, evidently flawed economic system that was blamed for everthing "bad" in free-flow economies).
Hmmm.
That's a bit complicated for me to understand. Personally, I just want to do the right thing and die, leaving the world a fitter place - you know, take one for the team. If I could pay $100 to get some morphine and a comfy bed, I would be so grateful. The producers can grind up my body and eat me afterwards. They made a movie about that in the '70s.
Soylent Green!
good movie...
LOLOLOL
Let's clarify the name using the SCOTUS ruling and call it the Affordable Care Act Tax or the Obamacare Tax.
Edit: I think the big picture is they do not want everyone to sign up. If a majority pay the penalty tax, it can be diverted to the corporate pork barrel. Multiply uninsured x $200 tax in year 1= Corporate earnings/ GDP boost.
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
spani inq I think your comment is an excellent point to simplify matters for the lamestream media and the sheeple who don't get it.
Must gall those that practice Christian Science. They will be forced to buy coverage for services that are prohibited by their religion.
No exemption for you!
Perhaps we can call 1-800-FUCKYO to ask the exchange itself why more people aren't signing up...
This is worse than the Facebook IPO.....government run healthcare....this will be a standard article for Zerohedge for years....as we will get news weekly on what a failure it will be and cost overruns....wait until you see the defecit after this kicks in...add in an extra trillion I think...
get those damn whinning pussy democrats signed up..this is what you want, but this is what you get...truck those bastards there and force them mudderfokking hairy hippee assholes
I've run quite a few marketing promotions in my day...and the very low initial buy in tells me this is a disaster. Generally (with things like redemption rates) they are VERY high only at the very beginning of a program and trickle down from there. So what we are seeing is as good as it is likely to be over time (<1%). Said otherwise, it's unlikely to improve...and hawking the program with things like free phones tells me all I need to know.
What is AFFORDABLE about spending $8,500 to set and plaster a broken lower leg from skiing? I told my friend if I had four straight sticks and duct tabe I would have fixed my leg myself. Maybe sticker shock with people buying insurance for the first time is causing people to pause. American's healthcare system has a COST issue first and foremost.
1% of how many double digit uninsured millions is how many in the first couple of days. The people that don't want to pay for insurance at any price will wait until next March. It's a typical sensationalist thread title for the wingers to chew on though. I give repubicans kudos for being able to come up with something new every day. Hows that birth certificate deal working out for you, heh.
^Always nice to see a satisfied Obama customer.
Like finding a live do-do bird living in your basement.
Someone tapped your knee with a hammer.
Alas, Spastica is right. There simply is nothing to be gained by engaging in dialogue with these people.
Never voted for Obama and have not voted for a 2 party president since the 70's. I was always priced out of the insurance market because of the greed of the insurance companies. I would have loved to have had affordable health care when I was building houses. It has been just good luck I have never hurt myself, gotten sick or been in an accident for the last 35 years.
You keep looking like a fool kissing right wing ass.
I don't think it's him looking like a fool. It's more like you are looking foolish trying to pretend your not an Obama supporter. Zero care is anything but affordable.
No, it's "free", haven't you heard. You must not have been paying attention as usual or else it depends on which thread you are in.
wingers crack me up.
And you keep sounding like a socialist who is afraid of just admitting the obvious.
Back to HuffPo with you Nancy.
Fuck the birth certificate. His Daddy was a British Subject. Invalid to be Prez. Easy to under stand. Now go register for your Free Healthcare you troll bastard
The consumer based economy must continue. Since they buy shit they can't afford; the rest of use must GIVE them what they need.
You mean Apple?
But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.
Nancy Pelosi.
Waiting foir the Mexican Gov't to give instructions to its minions of poor / uneducated, how to access ObamaCare site the night before they go over the border.
Everything is set up for you once you cross the Rio Grande. ObamaCard, EBT card, subsidized housing, ObamaPhone .... once set up they can look for a job... or just become a member of federally funded La Raza.
Who says that America is not exceptional !!?
Why? So they can pay $5000 deductibles? And 60% copay?
If the goobermint is furloughing non-essential staff - what the Hell is Obummer still doing in office?
Revolution.
How much are Americans going to swallow?
If millions of people refuse to comply...what can they do?
<-- Go to Emergency Room Like Always
<-- Sign Up
Who wants to sign up for a product that:
- costs 10% of your GROSS income
- has a $5,000 deductible
- has a $60 copay to see a doctor
- has a 60% copay for procedures
I guess Harry Reid and Barack Pelosi are the only ones surprised.