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Jesse Ventura Calls For "American Revolution" Against The "Corrupt System"
The irony of Jesse Ventura calling for a new "American Revolution" in a conversation with Brit Piers Morgan is not lost on us but the former Governor of Minnesota asks some awkwardly open questions in this 'colorful' interview. Ventura asked if the government's shut down, "That should mean we shouldn't have to pay any taxes, right?" He called for another American revolution to push back against the "corrupt system" created by Democrats and Republicans in Washington. He told Morgan the two-party system has legalized "bribery" for access, suggesting he's fed up enough to actually run for president in 2016. Ventura called both parties "gangs," and Morgan admitted he had to agree, adding that they're "overpaid, underworked children!" The discussion then veers from Obamacare, Ventura's run for President, and the JFK conspiracy.
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I have read more than two dozen books about the JFK assassination.
How many have you read?
Oswald was not on the 6th floor at the time of the assassination, he was on a lower floor, eating his lunch, according to the best witness evidence.
The evidence suggests Oswald was an undercover agent used as the "patsy".
It was a massive Government conspiracy, and Oswald was merely a manipulated pawn.
All your evidence against Oswald is merely circumstantial inference.
There were multiple shooters, and Oswald was Not one of the shooters.
You, Moneybots, are either an uneducated idiot or a blind shill.
oswald was not yer average joe. he was a low level marine who worked in japan on the then top secret u2 overflies of the USSR. He was taught to speak very good Russian while in Japan and he defected to the USSr after working on the U2 project and he defected back to the USA.
Oswald was likely CIA
Oswald was a patsy, Oswald had no motive to kill JFK other than direct orders from the company. LBJ,allen Dulles and the Bushes amongst others had a whole host of reasons to kill JFK and they had the means and the money to do it and try to cover it up.
Coup de etat that installed the CIA as titular head of the usa. thats why the NSa listens in. to preserve the coup, nobody more paranoid than the guys who killed their way to the top.
Another sign of a growing discontent with the 2 party system in Washington.
I was at the 40th anniversary in Dallas. Ventura spoke to the gathering. He said then, as he said to Morgan, "Oswald couldn't make the shots." In Dallas 2003, he was quoting Castro, as from an interview Ventura said he had with him in Cuba.
From the window next to the 6th floor corner window, (which is now an enclosed display) i could look down upon the X on the street where JFK was fatally shot. The shots were doable from the 6th floor window.
One of the US Marine commanders gathered all of the top Marine Corps snipers, over a dozen, and built a replica of the Dallas plaza where Kennedy was shot, along with a moving 'motorcade car' on a track, just to see if any of the top military snipers in the United States could replicate Oswald's alleged multipe shots that day, firing from the same distance in a tower
None of them could ... none of them
"One of the US Marine commanders gathered all of the top Marine Corps snipers, over a dozen, and built a replica of the Dallas plaza where Kennedy was shot, along with a moving 'motorcade car' on a track, just to see if any of the top military snipers in the United States could replicate Oswald's alleged multipe shots that day, firing from the same distance in a tower
None of them could ... none of them"
Howard Donahue hit a moving target from a tower 3 times in 4.8 seconds in a test for CBS in 1967.
Also, another important point, Elm street curved through Dealy Plaza. I doubt the Marine Corps commander exactly duplicated the movement of the JFK limo, which included the limo slowing down, while it was moving more directly away, rather than sideways, when JFK was shot in the head.
The CBS moving test target was on a straight track and i believe at a constant speed.
Who owns CBS??
CIa owns media through corporate control read up on project mockingbird. Real question is who owns CIa?
"Who owns CBS??"
What does that have to do with Donahue hitting the moving target 3 times in 4.8 seconds, back in 1967?
The owner of CBS back then was Bill Paley.
I'll vote for him ... this country desperately need new party, new voice ...
ok, Jesse aside, Pirce Morgan shud go suck a bag of dicks.
I think this divide and conquer .gov meme is backfiring. I'm starting to see a lot of pissed off people in general. It's not partisan.
Who ever said 3s a crowd should be taken to the wood shed. I think we'll see a lot of defectors from both parties if a good lndependent/libertarian candidate runs for office.
Ross Perot would've won had there been a.) people not thinking that a vote for an independent is "wasted" (the only waste is a vote for rep/dem) and b.) people who weren't concerned about "letting the other guy" not win (i.e. a Dem being concernend about "letting" the Rep win even though they supported Perot more).
You guys banned francis?
<pours one on the curb>
He's vacationing in the Hamptons this week.
He's at one of those Access Denied detox places?
Lol I see now we are limited to going back 4 months in comments. Too many secrets buried in the past.
We're all on the up and up now.
<pours some fondue on the curb>
We all need to detox from this place every so often (Cog has mentioned this before). I hang on here too long and it becomes my reality, just like the sheep watching mainstream media. I have gained a great deal of knowledge/information from this site, and believe it is important to "wake up", however, our lives shouldn't become engroosed with the corruption. So yeah, off to Detox Mansion
link for the Zevon fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKmb3_P_N8
I'm sure your 16 weeks have been hectic And_Wet. Cog can go suck a radish, if his wife will let him.
Time to get back on the tour bus, gotta go!
Sorry, you have been here from the start. Praise be to you.
@fuu.......francis_sawyer is/was one of a kind.........I miss him already
I was wondering if Jethro finally made it to Gstaad.
no, no.
aurora ex machina was one of a kind
JFK killing was obviously a coup d'etat. Only if you believe in miracles and the State religion of exceptionalism did Oswald do it.
Same goes for the miraculous collapse of Building 7, finding hijackers' passports on the sidewalk, Flight 93 going down a mineshaft, etc.
Same goes for RFK getting shot point-blank in the back of the head (according to Noguchi, the medical examiner) while Sirhan Sirhan stood in front.
When Perot ran in '92, the corporate media was able to paint him as a nut. He picked 'Crazy' as his campaign theme song.
Ventura would stand even less of a chance thanks to his pro wrestling career.
...do you believe in miracles....
"JFK killing was obviously a coup d'etat. Only if you believe in miracles and the State religion of exceptionalism did Oswald do it."
Oswald did do it. It was his rifle. He was working on the 6th floor. Nothing miraculous about that. He took advantage of an opportunity that was handed to him by fate.
"Same goes for RFK getting shot point-blank in the back of the head (according to Noguchi, the medical examiner) while Sirhan Sirhan stood in front."
RFK wasn't just standing in one position while he was shot several times. The actual shooting was not filmed, unlike JFK.
"When Perot ran in '92, the corporate media was able to paint him as a nut. He picked 'Crazy' as his campaign theme song."
I don't remember his theme song, but i do remember Perot dropped out of the race after he had gained about 20% support in the polls. He didn't want to be President.
Havn't read much of the research, other than extreme main stream, have you? Try jfk and the unspeakable, or family of secrets, or mary's mosaic for a start.
"Havn't read much of the research, other than extreme main stream, have you? Try jfk and the unspeakable, or family of secrets, or mary's mosaic for a start."
I go by actual evidence. There are dozens of JFK conspiracy books that claim all manner of conflicting things, as they all claim someone different, Saul, Roscoe White, James Files, whoever, was the real assassin. Blakey, who ran the House Commission wrote a book claiming the mob did it. The Texas Connection claimed Johnson did it. There is Howard Hunt's death bed confession and i once saw a PBS show in which a lawyer for some mob member, the name Rogono comes to mind, who allegedly had admitted to it.
And now we have the Judith love story, which has all the known cast of characters involved.
Take your pick.
I'll stick with the actual circumstantial evidence.
If you're sticking with the 'actual' evidence, you must love Commission Exhibit 399, the nearly undamaged bullet that supposedly went through the back of Kennedy's neck, taking out some vertebrae, stopped in mid-air and changed course, then went into Connally. Google CE399 for some photos. It's less damaged than if you had fired into a barrel of water.
Of course, in even what was just mentioned, it's been now established that Gerald Ford moved the site of the wound in the final draft of the Report from between JFK's shoulder blades to his neck to make the entrance wound in the front of his neck look like an exit wound.
You can also Google JFK's suit jacket, of course, where the hole is obviously in the upper back. The Warren Commission said that when he was shot, the back of his tailor-made suit jacket was hiked clear up to the back of his neck. That's how the hole got made.
This is all probably too complex for you, since you seem confused about whether the Mob, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones, or Jackie did it. But consider this question: leaving aside who fired the shots, who had the power to cover up the crime? Why would the gov't cover up an assassination of a sitting President if the mob did it?
Without commenting on all the rest, the answer to your last question is easy heinrich: to provide the appearance of everything being under control. That was Job 1 after the assassination regardless of who did it or why.
Oh, ok, I'll throw in who did it too. It was Ari Onassis. He wanted to get his hands on Jackie. For keeps.
"If you're sticking with the 'actual' evidence, you must love Commission Exhibit 399, the nearly undamaged bullet that supposedly went through the back of Kennedy's neck, taking out some vertebrae, stopped in mid-air and changed course, then went into Connally. Google CE399 for some photos. It's less damaged than if you had fired into a barrel of water."
Why would i love anything other than the truth?
Your claim is propaganda. CE399 was dented flat at the base. It was not at all nearly undamaged.
It did not take out vertebrae, it took out a rib, which is a thin bone, which would explain the degree of damage to the bullet in relation to your canned water barrel talking point.
The bullet did not stop in mid air and change direction. Connally was sitting on a jump seat, which put him further inside the limo. Connally and JFK were not both sitting up ramrod straight. Connally's body was turned somewhat to his right, leaning back against the seat. If you could sit them straight up, of coarse the wounds would not line up. The critics claim that the bullet had to zig zag in order to hit both, is false.
"Of course, in even what was just mentioned, it's been now established that Gerald Ford moved the site of the wound in the final draft of the Report from between JFK's shoulder blades to his neck to make the entrance wound in the front of his neck look like an exit wound."
The wound in the front of the neck was an exit wound. The bullet transited the shirt, causing a ragged torn slit near the top button. Only an exiting bullet would have caused that kind of a hole in the front of the shirt.
"You can also Google JFK's suit jacket, of course, where the hole is obviously in the upper back."
The autopsy report was included in the Warren Report and decribed in centimeters, where the back wound was in relation to known body markers.
Ford's movement of the back wound again relates to the false perception of JFK sitting ramrod straight on the seat. People don't actually sit that way. the critics never take that into account, as their intent is to dismiss the single bullet theory, rather than to find the truth.
"Win if you can,
lose if you have to,
but always cheat..."
- Jesse Ventura
1-800-FUCKYO...ObamaScare's national toll free hotline.
No joke, now there's some real Hope ;-)
That woman to the right side of Piers (from viewer's side) is incredible!
If Jesse Ventura keeps talking, he will commit suicide by shooting himself twice in the head like Gary Webb who reported on the CIA selling tons of crack cocaine in the black areas of Los Angeles to fund arms for the Contras in Nicaragua.
His 1996 San Jose Mercury News series contended that Nicaraguan drug traffickers had sold tons of crack cocaine from Colombian cartels in Los Angeles' black neighborhoods and then funneled millions in profits back to the CIA-supported Nicaraguan Contras.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/dec/12/local/me-webb12
Yup, if he is going to continue with this he better hire some good body guards pronto!
Jesse's a clown. They love when he talks. It discredits his agrument. He's just another actor playing a role like Alex Jones.
http://www.washingtonspectator.org/index.php/Foreign-Policy/how-aipac-lo...
"I have always believed that, at some point, the Israeli prime minister and his lobby would lose their grip on U.S. Middle East policy, at least I’ve believed that since 1982 when Tom Dine, AIPAC’s most successful executive director, explained how it would happen.
It was during my four year stint at AIPAC that I asked Dine if a U.S. president could take a position opposed by the lobby, in a case where national security interests were clearly at stake, and prevail.
Dine responded that although he hoped that day wouldn’t come, he did not think a president could make Israel do anything it didn’t want to do given the power of AIPAC and “our friends in Congress.” In other words, as long as politicians need AIPAC-directed campaign funds, it wouldn’t happen.
But then he added a caveat:
“Of course, if a president pushed hard enough, and told the American people directly that U.S. security was at stake, he’d win. By that I mean AIPAC would have no choice but to support him. We can never defeat a U.S. president who reaches over the heads of AIPAC and Congress and goes to the American people directly and invokes the national interest.”
***We can never defeat a U.S. president who reaches over the heads of AIPAC and Congress and goes to the American people directly and invokes the national interest.***
You don't really have to worry about this happening. No one will get within a mile of the presidency who would go against the interest of AIPAC and Israel. All possible candidates are all screened and vetted well in advance. This the power the Zionist Lobby has in this country. Loyalty to Israel is more important than loyalty to the U.S.A. for a presidential candidate
James Forrestal was concerned about the Jewish lobby right before he hung himself. odd Kuwinky dink dontcha think?
http://www.criminalelement.com/blogs/2013/08/secretary-of-defense-james-...
he was secretary of defense
the claws go deep
hopefully you are a nihilist.
where did you learn he had 2 gun shot wounds to the head?
Many sources confirm that. Here is Wiki:
Gary Stephen Webb (August 31, 1955 – December 10, 2004) was a Pulitzer prize-winning American investigative journalist. Webb was best known for his 1996 "Dark Alliance" series of articles written for the San Jose Mercury News and later published as a book. In the three-part series, Webb investigated Nicaraguans linked to the CIA-backed Contras who had smuggled cocaine into the U.S. Their smuggled cocaine was distributed as crack cocaine in Los Angeles, with the profits funneled back to the Contras. Webb also alleged that this influx of Nicaraguan-supplied cocaine sparked, and significantly fueled, the widespread crack cocaine epidemic that swept through many U.S. cities during the 1980s. According to Webb, the CIA was aware of the cocaine transactions and the large shipments of drugs into the U.S. by Contra personnel. Webb charged that the Reagan administrationshielded inner-city drug dealers from prosecution in order to raise money for the Contras, especially after Congress passed the Boland Amendment, which prohibited direct Contra funding.
Webb's reporting generated fierce controversy, and the San Jose Mercury News backed away from the story, effectively ending Webb's career as a mainstream media journalist. In 2004, Webb was found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, which the coroner's office judged a suicide. Though he was criticized and outcast from the mainstream journalism community, his reportage was eventually vindicated as many of his findings have since been validated: since Webb's death, both the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune have defended his "Dark Alliance" series. Journalist George Sanchez states that "the CIA's internal investigation by Inspector General Frederick Hitz vindicated much of Gary's reporting and observes that despite the campaign against Webb, "the government eventually admitted to more than Gary had initially reported" over the years
WOW! That's pathetic. thanks for posting.
One thing ol' Jesse isn't going to mention is Israel or Jewish power and it's impact on the nation's foreign policy or how it views the outside world.
Do you think the Palestinians are getting anything like a fair shake in our press? Is that wholly unrelated to the fact that Jews, and not Muslims, are highly disporportionately represented? The major news channels are nbc, cbs, abc, cnn and fox. A Jewish man heads 3 of those. Fox is as pro-Israel as any. That leaves NBC, which still has far more than 2% of its executives being Jewish.
Is this "hate" speech, Tyler? Because if it is, then I think we're usaing claims of hate to prevent the discussion of certain relevant truths.
I don't think any intelligent person would simply assume that someone is good or bad, etc. based merely on race or religion... but when we talk about groups and group power, isn't it funny that "diversity" can be discussed on the premises that the nation's government and workforce should look something like the national makeup... how does this not mean, as corollary that a group which is 2% of the population should not be, say, most of a president's appointees?
As others have pointed out - virtually every federal agency having to do with banking, finance, or budget is headed by a Jew, or was recently. Virtually every one. The last heads of the SEC and Office of Management and budget were Jewish, and in the case of the latter, the last several were. Now they're run by gentile women... with deputies who are Jewish.
With those exceptions though, everything else that counts - the CBO, the Fed, the FDIC, Treasury [including the deputy and every single undersecretary!], the IRS, the CFTC, the National Economic Council, Council of Economic Advisors... down to things like the office of the trade representative, bureau of economic analysis -headed by Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_agencies
Remarkable. And seemingly at this point deliberate and likely tied to Obama's campaign funding. Ol' Rahm and Axelrod et al.
And where Jews aren't the chairs, they're there in high numbers.
But here's my essential point - and we'll see how swiftly I am banned for dispensing such mindless hate, this notion that a tiny minority has disproportionate power which is affecting our foreign policy and therefore the lives of our military and our national economic health, as well as our understanding of ourselves and the world - credible sources, including from Jewish newspapers, consistently indicate that half, and perhaps much more than half, of private donations to both the Democratic Party and the GOP come from Jews.
Over half of political donations coming from 2% of the population, which has a passionate attachment, in the aggregate, to a tiny foreign state that has spied on us, and actively tries to lie us into wars... and it's not a story?
Should be.
And here on ZH, I noted that not much was made of the fact that one of the first thing Obama did was give the Israelis access to the NSA's raw intel on Americans. That is unbelievable and I think perhaps an act of treason [as well as a violation of the Constitution, per se].
But that story just went down the memory hole, eh?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data...
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/will-there-be-fallout-from-the-nsa-sharing...
You know, lies by omission are often the worst.
I knew this site was compromised when I started seeing ads for Israeli bonds. There's always strings.
Now bear in mind, not a single thing I've said is false, I've noted that Jews have tremendous power in government and media {noting in passing that, .e.g. Palestinians don't} - I'll add that, ipso facto, when a minority group has more than it's "fair" share of power, that means the majority {or any other cognizable group} has less power.
Whither diversity, you hypocritical cunts?
You can not analyze US politics or foreign policy without addressing Jewish power. Especially the role of the neocons - essentially a minority of a minority {most US Jews are of course pretty liberal, antiwar, and generally allies of those of us who don't want to see WWIII - the neocons are basically Likudnik Zionists, and are traitors}
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
My 2 cents. Not a drop of "hate" in it. Just a desire to be able to say that 2+2 = 4.
The neocons lied us into Iraq for Israel, not oil, and while there were other actors, for sure, it was the jewish neocons who passed along fabricated evidence they got from the Israelis. For Israel's perceived benefit.
If you don't know what the Oded Yinon plan is, you don't understand Syria and Iran. Period.
I still see lots of 19 year olds without limbs, or faces, when I close my eyes. I think that affects my willingness to not put the blame where it belongs, and the single biggest political factor is the power and influence of 'Zionists.'
Period.
Whether or not we can talk about it, or whether shouts of 'antisemite' will be used to prevent such discussion, is up to you all.
one of the first thing Obama did was give the Israelis access to the NSA's raw intel on Americans. That is unbelievable
Of course that is treason. To give raw intelligence on every American (US Congress, White House, all judges including Supreme Court judges, all academics, all military leaders) to a foreign power without any legal restrictions is the ultimate in treason and Obama should not have lasted 24 hours after that revelation. But the New York Times would not report it. And, sad to say, even Zero Hedge ignored what many consider the most significant of Snowden's revelations.
While insisting that the Israelis operate with deference to the US Constitution and law, the memo adds, “This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law.” In other words, in practice ISNU and the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad are free to do as they please.
The memo requests that the Israelis notify the NSA whenever it fishes data on US citizens out of the raw intelligence stream, but allows them to keep “any files containing the identities of US persons” for up to a year. It also permits them to “disseminate foreign intelligence information concerning US persons” gleaned from the unfiltered data provided by the NSA to the Israeli agency’s “customers,” so long as it does so in “a manner that does not identify the US person.”
The most extraordinary passage in the memo requires that the Israeli spooks “destroy upon recognition” any communication provided by the NSA “that is either to or from an official of the US government.” It goes on to spell out that this includes “officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the US House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the US Federal Court System (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court).”
The stunning implication of this passage is that NSA spying targets not only ordinary American citizens, but also Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and the White House itself. One could hardly ask for a more naked exposure of a police state.
The pretense that Israeli intelligence stumbling across such material would “destroy” it without so much as a peek is ludicrous, and everyone involved in preparing the agreement knows it.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html
There were two series of articles in ZH history that I can clearly remember getting the kibosh.
One was Project Mayhem.
The other was a series of article that was doing profiles of banksters, people in positions of power, etc.
FYI, Project Mayhem left on his own because the readers on ZH weren't taking action on any material that he presented. Had nothing to do with the Tylers. I am pretty sure that his second or third to last post here was him going off at the apathy of the readers, but I am too lazy to check.
I don't remember the banker profiles, but any time that a "politically significant" person has personal info posted along with any threats, the thread is killed. Reading between the lines of the posting policy, this was to keep the Tylers from having to report posts to the "proper authorities". I think that we can all agree that this is a good thing.
I didn't realize that you had been here that long. It is always good to see the old timers still hanging out, there aren't that many that still do.
"I still see lots of 19 year olds without limbs, or faces, when I close my eyes."
Doubt it. More like circumcised penises.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone ( who challenges the power of the Zionist Lobby) drops to zero on ZH.
As far as the Kennedy assassination goes: It is my understanding that Kennedy wanted to take back the issuing of money from the Fed and put it back under the control of the dept. of the treasury. Draw your own conclusions.
silvercertificates.
United States Notes. I have a few of them. Got him killed.
Kennedy was the mafia his family got rich running whores and drugs and alcohol during the Prohibition, and post. Old Joe Kennedy was so fucking rich that he wanted his son's to become politicians so the gubmint would be his family.
There's no tell how many fucking enemy's his family had,
A lot of people couldn't stomach an Irish Catholic Mafia family controlling the Nukes.
Don't talk about it...be about it. Either grab an AR15 and storm the capitol or STFU. Revolutions aren't fought with words (and empty words at that), they're fought with bullets and blood. If you want to be useful you fuckin asshat, go sacrifice your "body" for the cause. Whole lotta blah blah blah.....
reEVOLution!
reEVOLution!
I've got lotsa guns, so that's not my problem for you.
They are fully vertically organized, the oppostion is not, at all, and it would be a fool's errand to play to their power, which is what they have been trying to incite, whether false or failed real, if you have not noticed.
Ghandi showed the way. We need an informed, committed, and explicitly non violent offensive in order to make headway against the entrenched play dirty status quo. The hard work of political war can be fought with other than guns, we have to use our heads, else we simply end up with bullets in them.
words can be powerful, even for the illiterate mindless masses, it's a matter of creating a powerful message that resonates in the collective consciousness...
Jesse f'd up with his lawsuit against the TSA. He agreed and consented and allowed the searches, so come court time, he had no injury and therefore no standing. He should beat the shit out of his lawyer for not telling him so. If anyone wants to know what happened to the courtry, look no further than the lawyers.
The media is partisan; it is leftist, it is liberal, it is conglomerant controlled. It supports increasing socialism and anybody that obstructs its forced march to serfdom, it brands… as children and worse.
When one side takes a stand to put a stop to injustice, there are always those in the media who will propagandize compromise, that the fighting is like childish, that their opponents are just "overpaid, underworked children!"
Those voices support the current status quo; in other words, it is the Morgans saying that the party that favors stopping the injustice just needs to surrender.
These politicians in Washington are not children. They are representing factions – some of them vicious factions. The Democrats are supporting the banker faction along with neocon Republicans. And the House Republicans and the Ted Cruzes and Mike Lees are saying stop with the over spending and debt; stop with the OBamaCare windfall for the welfare industry, stop with the collectivism and redistribution of wealth. And the media voices say, just settle it, just give in to ObamaCare and Johnson & Johnson and Big Pharma and Obama’s Reaper Curve; stop acting like children; one side needs to give up its principles.
"I don't care if they hate me, so long as they fear me ( 'Oderint, dum metuant,” translated: 'May they hate me, if only they fear me.'” – Roman Emperor Caligula
The NSA will pick the next president. Jessee still doesn't quite get it all.
AIPAC .... NSA ... same thing.
John Mearsheimer, the co-author of The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy; Larry Greenfield from the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs; and Hillary Mann Leverett, a former White House and US state department official.
"It's critically important for any US contender for the presidency to go to AIPAC, to interact with the Israel lobby in a favourable way, because it enables that candidate to show that that candidate is strong, that the candidate believes in US exceptionalism, US preeminence in the world, that the US is still very much the indispensable nation in the world; the US has decisive influence in the Middle East and the US is not going to let that influence go as manifesting any kind of threat - real or perceived - against Israel. It allows a candidate to really demonstrate that and that's in addition to all of the tactical things here in the US in terms of getting votes, financing ...."
Hillary Mann Leverett, former White House official"
The list of murdered or imprisoned truth seekers gets longer by the day. This is how totalitarian systems work. Someday, Jesse's name might be added to it. First, they try character assassination by labeling you a "conspiracy theory nut", anti-Semite, whatever. Then, if that doesn't work, they call you unAmerican, anti-patriot or even a terrorist. If that doesn't work, the gloves come off. You either get Bill Cooper'd or Julian Assange'd.
Remember there was a plate of fried chicken or something next to the window from which Kennedy was allegedly shot...You're about to kill the President of the United States and you're munching down on fried chicken? Nerves of steel, insane, or set up?....
Too bad that meal wasn't saved as evidence. DNA technology would prove the meal was not consumed by Oswald.
"Remember there was a plate of fried chicken or something next to the window from which Kennedy was allegedly shot...You're about to kill the President of the United States and you're munching down on fried chicken? Nerves of steel, insane, or set up?...."
Neither.
It was the lunch of one of the other workers on the 6th floor that day and he ate it himself, then went down to the 5th floor to watch the motorcade.
The ultimate JFK assassination documenatary is Dark Legacy (The Netflix version NOT the YouTube version).
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70128268?strkid=543739606_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70128268
"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" -
...required and very level-headed reading for anyone who believes the Warren Commission story, or thinks that the Commission was even loking for the truth.
"JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" -
...required and very level-headed reading for anyone who believes the Warren Commission story, or thinks that the Commission was even loking for the truth.
+++++++++++++++++
Most of the Warren Commission Report was based on actual credible evidence. That is much more than i can say for various conspiracy books.
Books have claimed the route was changed at the last minute, which is not true. The entrance to the Stemmons freeway from Main, was by Elm Street. Book writers show the map that was in the Newspaper and did not show the one block zig zag, while ignoring the news article with it, which detailed the turn up Houston and onto Elm.
Billy Lovelady identified himself as the man in the depository doorway, who looked like Oswald. Years later, Jim Marrs, who wrote Crossfire, declared in his book that he doubted the man in the doorway was Lovelady, despite the evidence that he was.
Other people have written books claiming the Zapruder film was altered. I worked in Hollywood post producton for over 30 years. Claims that the film was altered (other than a splice) have no credibility.
You should study the claims. Doug Horne, who worked on the ARRB, tasked with releasing classified JFK-related documents, has established that the Zapruder film went to a CIA photographic facility the weekend of the assassination. Zapruder himself expressed some doubts about whether the film he took was the one that was ultimately shown. Horne also has nearly a dozen film experts who specialize in techniques of that era who agree that the film was altered, sometimes crudely.
For all interested in the Zapruder film:
http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig13/horne-d1.1.1.html
"You should study the claims. Doug Horne, who worked on the ARRB, tasked with releasing classified JFK-related documents, has established that the Zapruder film went to a CIA photographic facility the weekend of the assassination. Zapruder himself expressed some doubts about whether the film he took was the one that was ultimately shown. Horne also has nearly a dozen film experts who specialize in techniques of that era who agree that the film was altered, sometimes crudely."
I worked in Hollywood post production for over 30 years. Other than a splice, the camera original wasn't altered at all. The image on each camera original frame is what the film actually recorded. The camera original was digitally remastered and can be seen in Image of an Assassination, including a version which shows the images recorded between the sprocket holes.
There is no credibility to claims that the Zapruder film was altered.
Every original film frame made into transparency Photo enlargements, then altered, re-photographed onto new film stock. Similar to making a mixture of reality and animated cartoon with transparency film stock.
Just ask Disney, circa 1963 technology.
"Every original film frame made into transparency Photo enlargements, then altered, re-photographed onto new film stock. Similar to making a mixture of reality and animated cartoon with transparency film stock.
Just ask Disney, circa 1963 technology."
A camera original is unique. Every generation down is less quality than the orignal.
The Zapruder camera original exists and is unaltered as to what was recorded on each frame.
I've never exactly heard an explanation why within an hour or so after Kennedy was shot, a theatre manager called the police to complain about a man skipping out on a ticket to a show that cost $1. Within minutes half the Dallas Police force decended on to that theatre. That is the thing that always made me go Hmmm.... I have an entire week of Dallas Times Hearald and Dallas Morning News my grandfather saved during that period. Reading the stories written in the moment vastly differ the official versions that are told in the history books.
Reading the rest of the newspaper at the time was also eyeopening. Major complaints at the time was healthcare, downward sprial of education with an in depth report of the horrible conditions in the Appalachia region, real potential of social security bankruptcy, eroding infrastructure and a whole host of complaints that are still the center of poltical bickering today. Hell that was some 50 years ago. Which leads me to the conclusion that the politicians continue to repackage the same old complaints as support for the need of MORE funding through higher taxes as the lack of funding is apparently the only reason their ideas never work and the same problems continue to exist more than a half century. I have a feeling a paper from the 40's would be eerily similar and the politicians and money machines work from a playbook that has been around for decades and they count on the people not remembering.
What a fucking scam that has lasted for my entire lifetime and then some. I wonder why there is never an audit of the books. Anyone remember the billions spent on the all important super conducting super collider that was half built in Texas back in the early 80's. Small community and the government took many long time small family farms and property, by force in many cases only to close up shop and board up the houses those families were forced to leave for zero reason as it turns out. It's just one boondogle after another and the poople are apparenlty helpless to stop the government, even when it comes to taking homes that had been in families for multiple decades. Sorry for going off on a completely different tangent.
Yep, me too I remember some 20+ years ago a buddy of mine clearing out a rental house found that also a box of newspapers all following that week of the shooting,
Every story told of seeing men near the train tracks with guns, and at the park... nobody fucking mentioned the school-depository,
Then a few weeks later all the news was under control, ... and never mentioned again the witness versions,
Same as now with 'fire-man', and 'dead black girl'. Pay close attention to the early witnesses, cuz they generally tell you the truth, and pay no attention to the news a week and later, cuz thats the story they keep forever,...
Dead black girl was executed for not doing as told, but they were nice enough to not kill the baby, 'fire-man' has friends who tossed gas on him and ignited him, and witnesses say such, yet the MSM continues to this hour to say "HE IGNITED HIMSELF"
Its more important to consider who is lying, ... once you know the truth, then just try to keep track of who is lying and who is telling the truth.
Brother, they kicked people off family farms around here for a MAYBE car factory [never happened], followed by a MAYBE fedgov funded battery factory [went to Michigan, now bankrupt] and NOTHING WAS EVER BUILT. These government goons want the USSR here, they think government funds business, everybody wants to be a FedGov employee. The faster it crashes the better.
I think I would have loaded up the family musket and made a final stand.
the leader we need will have to be crazy, insane, with a death wish, who's up for it?
"I've never exactly heard an explanation why within an hour or so after Kennedy was shot, a theatre manager called the police to complain about a man skipping out on a ticket to a show that cost $1. Within minutes half the Dallas Police force decended on to that theatre."
The theater called the police because Johnny Brewer saw Oswald standing suspiciously in the alcove of the shoe store he worked at. Brewer had heard on the radio that a police officer had been shot near by. Brewer followed Oswald down the street to the theater, as a result.
The police were called not because Oswald had not paid for a ticket, but because Brewer thought he might be the man who shot the police officer. That explains the high police response to the theater.
Moneybot, could you be Jewish ?
You should read the book that blames the Jews for the JFK assassination.
I am sure you could find a copy at Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Missing-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp...
JFK is a business. Just as this guy is telling you to watch this video or read this book... who gives a fuck 'who' did it,... in principal the entire USA population is be blamed.
But on the subject as a trained sniper, ... let me tell you all a little story,
When they teach us snipers about the biz, ... they take us to all these places the school in Texas ( where the guy killed 20+ from the tower), and the book depository, ... all these famous places where MARINE snipers took people out,
What you learn in Dallas is about triangulated-fire, ... as what the MIL-OP there is to plan an assassination on a moving vehicle by any means available, and the most obvious way to do it is triangulate-fire ( means 3 guys at 120 degree opposition ), all shooting simultaneous
Now early witnesses to the Kennedy assassination, all said exactly at the locations we would have used, they saw guys with guns,... funny those witnesses all disappeared or were never heard again by the time the Warren Commission came around,....
IMHO of course OSWALD was a shooter, but also the patsy,...
For who ordered the OP, nobody really cares, its just something you study,... but its obviously to all trained men, that the mission was done with 3-4 men, .e.g. it was not done by a solo man, that can seen by the zap-ruder film,
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What I mean by business is that by 1968 so many people making money and selling such around this story makes it a fucking circus.
Who gives a fuck who killed him, ... they killed him, that's all that mattered, and they got away with it.
Malcolm-X said it best about JFK getting blown away,"Just a case of chickens coming home to roost".
he was the president. it was a coup. it is important as more than an exercise in murder.
if someone makes money exposing the corrupt power structure this is a bad thing in your personal philosophy?
what exactly are your list of approved ways to make money? is writing a legitimate form of money making? are you pissed at all writers or just people who write about the assination of JFK?
"When they teach us snipers about the biz, ... they take us to all these places the school in Texas ( where the guy killed 20+ from the tower), and the book depository, ... all these famous places where MARINE snipers took people out,
What you learn in Dallas is about triangulated-fire, ... as what the MIL-OP there is to plan an assassination on a moving vehicle by any means available, and the most obvious way to do it is triangulate-fire ( means 3 guys at 120 degree opposition ), all shooting simultaneous."
If one trained sniper can't hit a moving target, why should the other two be able to?
"IMHO of course OSWALD was a shooter, but also the patsy,..."
With multiple shooters you wind up with bullets coming from multiple directions, inconsistent with where the patsy is supposed to be. It is a recipe for failure.
The people hire the politicians so that the people can:
obtain security without managing it.
obtain action without thinking about it.
inflict theft, injury, and death upon others without having to contemplate either life or death.
avoid responsibility for their own intentions.
obtain the benefits of reality and science without exerting themselves in the discipline of facing or learning either of these things.
They give the politicians the power to create and manage a war machine to:
provide for the survival of the nation
prevent encroachment of anything upon the nation
destroy the enemy who threatens the nation
destroy those citizens of their own country who do not conform for the sake of stability of the nation
Politicians hold many quasi-military jobs, the lowest being the police which are soldiers, the attorneys and C.P.A.s next who are spies and saboteurs (licensed), and the judges who shout orders and run the closed union military shop for whatever the market will bear. The generals are industrialists. The "presidential" level of commander-in-chief is shared by the international bankers.
The people know that they have created this farce and financed it with their own taxes (consent), but they would rather knuckle under than be the hypocrite.
Thus, a nation becomes divided into two very distinct parts, a docile sub-nation [great silent majority] and a political sub-nation. The political sub-nation remains attached to the docile sub-nation, tolerates it, and leaches its substance until it grows strong enough to detach itself and then devour its parent.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_cooper3.htm#ThePolitical Structure of a Nation - Dependency
Well no, not exactly. I was born into a system that was already so entrenched that I didn't get a say in how politicians are "hired" and in fact I would argue that the need for a House of Representatives, originally derived in order for communities to be represented by someone they trusted to act on their behalf. That was another century. Now, with the advent of the internet I argue that I and every other individual now has the ability, if they so choose to represent themselves on matters put forth for vote. It would be much cheaper as think of all the needless travel, staff and perks , pensions, salaries etc...that the taxpayer would no longer have to subsidize. On the plus side as well it would be a helluva lot harder for lobbyist to control individual citizen representation. They couldn't afford to bribe and pay for votes like the now can do with a concentrated group of folks supposedly still representing their communities all the while garnering power, money and support for the continuous election cycle.
Oh yeah I know the internet can't be trusted for secure voting, yet we are led to believe it's quite secure to do the majority of our banking over the internet. Never quite understood the incongruous security arguement.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! Yeah right.
Ted Kaczynski...
Still crazy after all these years.
Ted was actually tortured pyschologically by th CIa. he wasn't born nuts. he was brilliant and some cia asshole pysche job fucked him up
you don't hear much about it though, it dosn't fit the propaganda when folks find out the government creates its own enemies
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ted+Kaczynski&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls...
reAD EM and weep...
I'd be surprised if anybody on this site has not heard of BlackOpRadio, but for the most credible JFK assassination research:
http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2013.html
I'd vote for Jesse just to shove a thumb up Washingtons ass.
"Get the fuck off my lawn."
This guy is the real deal. No suckass lawyer trying to push a snout in the trough.
If he's crazy, then maybe that's what this country needs because 'normal' just ain't cutting it anymore. Can you see Jaime or Lloyd trying to intimidate a former Navy Seal and pro wrestler? He'd throw those cunts in the slammer himself.
Real-deal pro-wrestler, huh?
A quote from Idiocracy (brought to you by Carl Jr.):
President Camacho:Now I understand everyone's shit's emotional right now. But I've got a 3 point plan that's going to fix EVERYTHING!
/sarc
"Jesse Ventura"
that's "Jessie 'The Body' Ventura" to you.
:)
Government closed but not really so:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/pentagon-orders-most-furlou...
There's a widespread suspicion amongst the tin foil hat groups that Ventura is an agent provacatuer / useful idiot for the powers that be. Remember he's a former SEAL and has been trained in psywar techniques.
Take everything he says with a big grain of salt.
No one EVER , EVER , should be afraid of truth , unless they have something to hide. Ventura risked taking bullets for this country. For that reason and the fact that he had the balls to go through " post graduate" SEAL training , his truth is more acceptable to a lot of people rather than the deception being tossed this way and that by the shadow owners of it. The shadow owners are a touch uncomfortable just now I think. Even if they have bribed the military to do their bidding , sheer numbers favor the opposition. Ventura seems a SOLID leader of the opposition to me.
Let's be honest hear, anybody that is REAL they plant child-porn on your computer, or drugs in your house and send you to prison.
The fact that Jesse is still on MSM is troubling in my mind.
Running for PREZ, ... you don't even get the 1st stage of MSM attention for that unless you have AIPAC nod's, ...
So its just what Noam Chomsky calls "manufacturing consent", the MSM needs a village idiot to counter balance the show, and Ventura as much as I love him is not what I would call a real SEAL, I think he was TEAM 1, or maybe 6, there are over 10 seal teams and they're all specialized, the real teams are little guys that fight and place bombs, mostly snipers.
The BIG guys were all in team-6 if I can remember, ... all I can tell you is back in the day, ... they never used big guys for other than show, when they needed a big guy to guard shit. Cuz the small guys can get in & out better, and big guys always break.
I like Jesse he's entertaining, and he's real, and he's like Faber & Rogers, he's an attention whore.
Please respect Major General Smedley Butler's name / memory and change your profile. Of course it IS possible you are named after him. If you are named after him , then I am wrong.
I wonder who bribed Jesse to run in 2016....Hillary?
Folks, remember SOPA? Well it's going to be resurrected right here. Not enough revenue coming in. The final death stroke before the chips, hollow points or both.
http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPP_and_Health_Factsheet_Mar_2013_FINAL.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS-x5SlcPPM&feature=youtu.be
Americans won't revolt...they will just Escape to Ecuador...
http://yourescapetoecuador.com/retirement/expat-retirement-communities-i...
Jesse you had your chance to make good on your mouth when the citizens of Minnesota elected you to be their Governor. You did not. You did what came easiest. Do you think people have forgotten? Sit down.
I was hoping "The Body" would toss that toxic, lying maggot Piers a vicious, savage and thorough beating... and then take a massive dump on him. For all you Obunga supporters: I do not like Piers much.
Liked the statement that RomneyCare is working today in Massachusetts, meaning it can probably be scaled to work in 49 other states. Liked the comparison that the Republicans are extortionists who are planning to blow up the store while they're standing in it.
Piers 'is an A1 dusche-bag, a lying sack of shit, an embarassment of self realization to any followers or fans he has.
Is dude still suing Chris Kyle's widow?
That's messed up.
Our problem is not the 2 party system, politicians have always been snakes. Jesse Ventura is an ass clown, his answers are just bumper sticker slogans that mean nothing.
Our problem is we have too much governemnt, too much debt, too much regulation and a currency based on lies.
To the extent Ventura sincerely contemplates a run for the Presidency, he needs to align with, support, and campagn for alternative party candidates in chosen represenative and senate races. This is bigger than any one personality, and Ventura can build local empathy as a basis of support for the larger agenda. At this point, rather than a "third party", for which the media assassins are preparred to attack, something along the line of a non-party popular uprising seems appropriate. He also needs to be very careful about who he selects to advise him (e.g.: the mentioned TSA suite), as planted advisors are the most efficient way to derail a campaign (re the recent anti Monstersanto vote in CA).
Never mind, any day we'll learn that Jesse has a lost Jewish granny, and that will change everything and make him AIPAC kosher, ... shit it worked for Madame Halfbright, and Hillary the Hun.
Even the OREO-OBAMA has a jewish granny.
How does Jesse write a book about JFK's death and not name the Fed as a possible assassin? Kennedy was a week from making silver backed dollars, ripping all power from the Fed.
Because Ventura's handlers ARE the money changers!! He's a gatekeeping fool and tool that's going to cause even more damage.
Why is the sound so crappy?
Taxation and Disarmament kicked-off rev 1.0. Since the same thing is happening again,,,,just saying (Rev 2.0)
Crazy Jesse wants single-payer worse than Obammy. That is even WORSE, more evil and more corrupt than what is going on now. So spare us your crazy BS.
Jesse is selling his insipid book about JFK
Cuz the JFK shit is the best selling conspiracy genre of all time,
When even some of the things Ventura says, start to make sense,.. then we are fucked.
Taken from AIPAC site:
The AIPAC Policy Conference is the largest gathering of America’s pro-Israel community. The conference highlights the importance of the partnership between the United States and Israel and showcases the two nations’ common interests in making the world a better place.
Through demonstrations of groundbreaking Israeli innovations that are saving American lives, keynote speeches by top leaders from both the United States and Israel – such as President Barack Obama, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres, Vice President Joe Biden and others – emotional and inspiring moments on stage, smaller and more intimate educational sessions, and dynamic interactive exhibits Policy Conference attendees experience the full scale of pro-Israel activism in just three days.
"Join thousands of pro-Israel activists in Washington, D.C., for three of the most important days affecting Israel's future. March 2-4, 2014"
This meeting of our true rulers takes place March 2-4 March 2014. They expect 18,000 attendees. The "most important days affecting Israeli's future" is how they steal from the American taxpayer. This conference is about how they conduct the heist. Oddly, I have never heard of this gathering that even the President attends. Have you???
Until we kill the parasite that is draining our blood America can never be free.
Ventura asked Howard Stern to run with him for president. That should tell you who's pulling Ventura's strings. Has there ever Really been a revolution that WASN'T controlled and operated by the PTB? They captured Russia and it's growing economy back in the early 20th century and the Russian people were held captive by this Revolution for about 80 years +.
The Bolsheviks (AKA - Bullshit murderers) seem to be coming out of the woodwork enmasse at first smell of rotting carcas in America. Anytime you hear 'em talking "Revolution" beware. Imagine a revolution with the state of our culture and people. It took them about 60 years (about 2-3 generations) to thoroughly destroy the working classes and culture. But they are winning and they did it by indebting the nation, the individual, and by degrading the culture through our music and arts.
When you hear the word "revolution", they're just ramping everyone up and opening up the spigot for violence. But the perpetrators of this mess we are in will never pay for the crimes they committed. Anyone who cannot see the writing on the wall is an idiot at best.
He also said that revolutions can be peaceful. Important.
While we're at it, let's do something about this too: The government knows it’s a medical killing machine
This is bullshit. JV has handlers with an Agenda. They are working overtime to make the Alternative Media audiences believe JV is the real thing. He's going to play the "I'm with neither corrupt party" card. The 2nd video below is his interview with Alex Jones, another 'controlled opposition' force in the alternative media. Seriously, this guy might have a chance to win if Hillary runs, because it WILL LOOK LIKE there is something new on the horizon (when the same handlers behind the scene will be operating).
The "handlers" change ideology all the time. We saw that these last 30 years, as in the example when they were busy destroying Regulations in the US during Reagan-Clinton years (which helped ensure the economic collapse we now face) and now the same people are calling for.....Regulations!
HOWARD STERN: Jesse Ventura wants to run for President & wants Howard as his VP
NEW - Jesse Ventura, Howard Stern Set For 2016 Presidential RunIn all fairness, Jesse's stance on healthcare seems to be more in line with the medicare/medicaid system to prevent people from falling through the cracks rather than a full blown socialized medicine scheme. He also has stressed that more responsibility needs to be put on the people receiving healthcare because people have to much of an "entitlement" feeling towards healthcare today. As a libertarian that doesn't offend me so much. I don't know anyone who wants someone to die or go bankrupt because they can't afford decent healthcare. In a society as advanced as ours, we should be able to figure out a way to create an effective safety net, and the safety net does not have to be solely based on charity, it could have a State element to it. Obviously the current system is so corrrupt everyone is paying too much, and ACA makes it so much worse. We have to strip out the for-profits influence on law makers and better manage litigation risks - i.e. you don't get a lottery payout for a mistake, but hospitals don't feel obliged to run 20 unnecessary tests to avoid litigation, in the process tripling your costs.