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Man Who Lit Himself On Fire On National Mall, Has Died

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In a tragic development, the unidentified man who set himself on fire on the National Mall at about 4:30 p.m. on Friday in between the Air and Space Museum and the National Gallery, and who sustained burns to 80% of his body, has died. AP reports: "A District of Columbia police spokesman says a man who set himself on fire on the National Mall has died his injuries. Officer Araz Alali says the man died Friday night at a hospital where he had been airlifted. He says the man was so badly burned that he will need to be through DNA and dental records. The man poured a can of gasoline on himself in the center portion of the mall Friday afternoon. He then set himself on fire, with passing joggers taking off their shirts to help douse the flames."

Oddly enough, the deceased self-immolator was conscious and coherent enough in the aftermath of the incident to thank passers by for putting out the flames before being taken to hospital:

The man reportedly thanked the joggers before he was taken to MedStar Washington Hospital Center by a U.S. Park Police helicopter that landed on the Mall.


Fire department spokesman Tim Wilson said the man suffered life-threatening injuries, but was conscious and breathing at the scene.


Authorities are now investigating the man's motives.

As AP adds, Police are investigating the man's possible motives for doing so. They will hardly find any, as the last thing the Obama administration needs right now is to start explaining why D.C. has become ground zero for America's own Arab Spring. Especially, if in a country in which fomenting class and social hatred once again boils down to racial characteristics.

Some more recollections by observers:

"I saw like a spark," she said. "Then he just went completely up in flames."


"Some heads up joggers put out the flames," she said. "A guy took his shirt off, ran over, you know, start trying to beat the flames out. A couple other joggers also stopped to help."


"It's very shocking," she said. "It's horrifying. Literally watching this guy go up in flames. There was not really anything anybody could do."

A question has emerged: was it an act meant to be documented, and if so why:

Katy Scheflen, a furloughed civil rights attorney in the Justice Department, said she stopped because she saw "a guy with a tripod set up."


Scheflen said another man, who she thought the tripod with a camera was filming, then took a red can of gasoline, poured it over his head.


"At that point we didn't know what was going, maybe it was some sort of stage protest," Scheflen said. "And then he set himself on fire and went up in flames," she said. "Whoosh."


Scheflen said the presence of a mounted camera gave her the impression "he was aware something was about to happen. Otherwise he was filming nothing but a guy standing there."


"It was obviously an intentional act," she said. "Somebody has a video of the whole thing."


Scheflen said the man may have said something beforehand “but it was nothing intelligible.”

And speaking of the seasons, in Tunisia it was Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation on December 17, 2010 (and subsequent death 18 days later) that sparked the Arab Spring reaching as far as Saudi Arabia and China. One wonders: will the death of the so far unidentified man lead to anything more than even more vocal and relentless fingerpointing at assorted highly politicized media echo chambers.


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Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:34 | 4025677 vxpatel
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my thoughts exactly, and of course modern day tibet.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:04 | 4025904 Freddie
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Wasn't Diem also "helped" by the Kennedy boys and Al See Eye Ahh Duh?   

USSA - ****ing MIC police state since probably the civil war - controlled by the Red Shield family who make money on all wars.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:58 | 4026461 theprofromdover
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I remember the buddhist monks in Saigon. The courage of these guys was just extraordinary to witness.

Whatever today's brave guy's reasons are, you have to stand and respect his sacrifice.

Any light-hearted or chat-show comments -absolute shame on you.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:15 | 4026733 DarthVaderMentor
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Yep, almost 50 years to the day of the peak number of occurrences of those immolations. I was a Navy UDT assigned to train the ARVN commandos on leave in Saigon as I transitioned to the MACV-SOG Phoenix program when I first saw one of those monks in September of 1963. It was quite a sight.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 13:47 | 4027868 NaN
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That must be one indelible memory.

I think Tibet has been peaking in recent years, in protest against being digested by China.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:15 | 4026505 TBT or not TBT
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That was the democrat delegation to Congress that dumped south Vietnam, after Nixon won the war old school, by defeating the enemy.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:11 | 4025596 Yen Cross
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  (2) white men trying to save a burning black man.  That will disappear into the crusty archives of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jacksons race baiting!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:10 | 4025599 F. Bastiat
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If Barry Obama had a son ...

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:09 | 4025601 BlueCheeseBandit
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Move along people. Nothing to see here. People set themselves on fire all the time. All is well in the USSA.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:14 | 4025620 F. Bastiat
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If Floyd Corkins, Chris Dorner, Ed Schultz, John Muhammed, Hussein Obama, Lee Boyd Malvo, Demetrius Glenn, Lakim Faust, Allan Brauer, Michael Davis, Aaron Alexis, and this clown are any indication, today's liberals are becoming increasingly unhinged, violent, and aggressive.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:17 | 4025629 Mike in GA
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Don't fergit Chrissy McTingles and the latest "shooter" at the WH driving the black AR-15.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:20 | 4025640 F. Bastiat
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Assault Infinity's in the hands of deranged Obama voters are serious weapons.  So are red gas cans in the hands of delusional liberals.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:10 | 4025603 paint it red ca...
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A man kills himself by the most hideous public display of self sacrifice in the National Mall of our nation's capital no less, and the media is WONDERING WHY???????

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:13 | 4025610 F. Bastiat
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Twenty bucks says he was a crazy liberal. Liberals, here in the states, are complete lunatics.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:19 | 4025643 lunaticfringe
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Them's fightin words.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:51 | 4025722 Anusocracy
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You're an incomplete lunatic.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:17 | 4026510 TBT or not TBT
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We know that you're out there.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:42 | 4025699 XitSam
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I'm wondering if any message he left has been officially suppressed. To do this not just in a public place, but on the national mall, it is intended to be a statement. Maybe he lives in DC, lost his job and wife or other stressors and is not political. But I'll bet he felt he had no control over his life and this was the only way to fight back, a last act of defiance.

ProTip: If you want to leave a final message, send it to multiple media outlets including online media.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:37 | 4025832 walküre
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No. It is political. How often does a man chose to self immolate in the United States as opposed to say Iran or China where self immolation is a clear, undeniable sign of political protest.

This one is for real.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:20 | 4025943 Freddie
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It seems to have been blockaded by the news media.   I do not watch TV and the lying shit news as it all sucks.  It has not been on Drudge Report which usually picks up on stories like this.

Has anyone seen any mention in the newsmedia beyond ZH?   The newsmedia-left will claim the govt shutdown did this.   Poor man and the lady yesterday, RIP.

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 15:33 | 4031494 fallout11
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It has only happened 4 times (counting this one) in the last 40 years in the US, it is that rare of an event.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:10 | 4025606 F. Bastiat
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If only more Obama voters would set themselves alight.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:29 | 4025663 are we there yet
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Thats not nice....

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:01 | 4025745 Bad Attitude
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Obama voters setting themselves alight won't stop them from voting for the next Democrat sociopath.

Forward (over the cliff)!



Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:19 | 4026511 TBT or not TBT
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Which smell is worse?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:12 | 4025607 F. Bastiat
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Obama lies, man dies.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:39 | 4025689 EmmittFitzhume
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It won't even phase Obama.  He's a fucking sociopath! No concience whatsoever, like almost all politicians.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:13 | 4025611 Hobbleknee
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Why didn't they lock down DC and tell everyone to shelter in place?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:21 | 4025645 F. Bastiat
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Has ABC's Brian Ross located a Tea Party connection yet?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:43 | 4025700 vxpatel
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you mean Koch brother's party.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:51 | 4025866 Jim in MN
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We've been GOB smacked.

Greedy Octogenarian Billionaires.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:52 | 4025869 vxpatel
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they do rule/own the world...

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:30 | 4025967 Freddie
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Koch brothers are not conservatives or Tea Party types.  They are for amnesty, open borders and probably gun control.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:54 | 4026706 Jim in MN
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You are deluded.  They do not care a whit about social issues, including health care.

They care about money and power.  And global warming. 

Have you ever seen central orders that don't include both health care and cap and trade?  The health care stuff is sort of 'faux intimacy' AKA a recruiting ploy.  The cap and trade stuff is inconvenient for Greedy Octogenarian Billionaires.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:16 | 4025622 Mike in GA
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Pixelation is to cover the burning lettering that says "High gas prices burn my ass but Obamacare would fix it if I could just get through on the website".  It's a great T-shirt.


Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:19 | 4025631 A Lunatic
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Where are the fucking Obamacare shills?? Wouldn't Obamacare have saved this poor man??

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:18 | 4026514 Umh
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Aaah!, but he wouldn't know it through the haze of mind altering drugs.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:23 | 4026523 TBT or not TBT
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Still has glitches, but the ostensible intentions, some of them anyway, were good, so we must redouble or triple the effort.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:20 | 4025641 are we there yet
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A out of work disturbed black mother shot shot yesterday by the whitehouse or DC police, a black man burns himself in front of congress on the mall today. Imolation takes serious anger. Possibly blacks are as uhappy as whites about where Obama is taking america but are more in conflict with themselves because they like Obama as a person. Sort of love Obama but internally hate what he is doing to us. Here is a message to blacks and whites: do not look to the government to solve our life problems, only we individually can do that, in the long term for every problem the government solves in our personal lives, they create many more, and erode our self reliance until we are dependant slaves. I am sorry for the suffering of this dispondant man.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:22 | 4025648 F. Bastiat
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You're seriously over-analyzing.

Liberals are lunatics. No amount of PC propaganda can change that readily observable fact.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:52 | 4025868 Jim in MN
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Don't be an intellectually lazy prick, K thx!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:57 | 4025887 prains
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if Bastiat could rise to the level of intellectually lazy it would be a huge improvement for he/ this point he/she offers absolutely nothing worthy of an idea

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:04 | 4026486 Calmyourself
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Great study and contemplation should bring one back to simplicity.  Complexity is not normally the hallmark of great wisdom.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:23 | 4026520 Umh
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If it's unduly convoluted you fucked up somewhere.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:25 | 4026532 TBT or not TBT
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See "Obamacare".

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:09 | 4026620 TheFourthStooge-ing
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if Bastiat could rise to the level of intellectually lazy it would be a huge improvement for he/ this point he/she offers absolutely nothing worthy of an idea

F. Bastiat (not to be confused with the other ZH commenter Bastiat, who actually contributes comments reflecting his thoughts) is not capable of anything more than copying/pasting bumper sticker level, jingoistic talking points, and I doubt he's capable of actually understanding even those.

Additionally, he seems to think that posting identical or virtually identical comments several times to the same article makes him 'moar better'. (He probably would also equate the collaborative efforts of two 75 IQ idiots with that of an individual with an IQ of 150.)

This has been his pattern for quite awhile. While he didn't subject us to his usual parakeet squawking of 'Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist', he did shit all over this article with a flurry of 22 comments in 22 minutes, half of which were minor variations of "Liberals are lunatics".

Alas, he must have pissed off someone, because apparently he's been given the boot. While I am disinclined to see anyone shitcanned for expressing their opinions, I find it hard to believe that someone exhibiting no more evidence of cranial activity than autonomous bodily functions governed by a rudimentary brain stem is even capable of forming or holding an opinion.

I can't say that I'll miss him, but I do hope that he remembers to breathe.

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 15:35 | 4031505 fallout11
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He/she has never had a comment worth reading, just ignore 'em.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:37 | 4025679 The_Dude
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Possibly he is the leading edge of blacks realizing that electing Barry did not bring eternal wealth and happiness and they have to own up and take care of the own world instead of waiting for the gov to fix it.

This guy just didn't have the tools to take care of himself, recognized his reality and possibly lost it...


Or not....and we are stuck with the dependency and whiny bunch forever..

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:19 | 4025796 Pig Circus
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Blacks didn't have much when Obumbler came into office. Now they have less then nothing thanks to the nothingness of Prezzy Zero.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:12 | 4025920 PT
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are we there yet:

I wonder if he is related to / knows that black mother?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:25 | 4026525 Umh
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That actually is a damn good question. I would not be surprised if they were reacting to the same thing.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:56 | 4026598 PT
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I was thinking more on the lines of, "he was so distraught that his wife / gf / sis / whatever died that he set himself on fire" ...
Takes alot of emotional distress to get to that point - there's a possible motive ... 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:57 | 4026016 Freddie
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I think you are on to something there.  I know a black person fairly well.  Very nice, honest and smart but they bought into O.  I can understand why.  Even if he is a disaster - most of them well stay behind them.    I don't agree with it but I somewhat understand it.  People identify with their group.  The left goes on and on about multiculturalism but they go out of their way to create more barriers.

This person I know, I have avoided them since O.  I have a few more distant relatives who actually voted for him that I may never speak to again.  I can understand why black people would vote for him.  White liberals, especially young white liberals, who support him?  No sympathy.  If they were lighting themselves on fire then I would almost would have no sympathy.

This man and the woman with the child yesterday - very sad.  I don't care if what their skin color was or who they voted for.   Very sad.  The only thing sadder is our military and Al See Eye Ah Duh backing Al Qeada and other murderers in killing innocent people. 

There was no reason to kill that woman yesterday.  Trigger happy assault police state cops BS.  Sad.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:23 | 4026350 walküre
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sounds like you're talking about an alien...

I know a black person fairly well.

LOL! You're as white as fine baking flour

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:31 | 4026541 Umh
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Well; I'm not as white as fine baking powder and I agree with Freddie..

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 16:28 | 4026197 Moe Howard
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Obamao is not and never was one of the American blacks, by genetics nor upbringing. He was used as a Judas goat to lead the black sheeple to the slaughter.

Reminds me of Georgre Soros delivering the death camp notices to his fellow Jews as his first job.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:30 | 4026544 TBT or not TBT
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He was never about helping blacks, just about using them, which has been consistent Democrat party policy since before the civil war. They also have been on guiding toward abortion, and in not so distant times sterilization, but the rest were there to be used.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 16:38 | 4026215 Dubious Maximus
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name the last president that everyone was happy with the direction he was taking the country in?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:33 | 4026550 Umh
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God; naw he wasn't President and everyone wasn't happy.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 00:07 | 4027074 are we there yet
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Eisenhower. Also the last pres allowed to audit the Fed and Fort Knox.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:21 | 4025646 wisehiney
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Invite the devil in, you get the fire.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:23 | 4025650 Future Jim
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This is very sad. I suspected the White House gate crasher and this guy were probably black before I knew it; whereas, other people said that's silly, but I pointed out that who else could be that disappointed with Obama?

What is so sad is that they didin't have anyone in their circle of frioends who gave them hope that there is another way. I blame the media for creating and pushing the Myth of Obama.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:25 | 4025653 F. Bastiat
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Liberals are lunatics. Seriously.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:39 | 4025687 Pladizow
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You're quite repetitive!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:42 | 4025697 Anusocracy
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His pony is named One Trick.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:53 | 4025725 shovelhead
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Actually, horses are quite intelligent.

Any pony he had would be embarrassed and pretend not to know him.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:53 | 4025870 Jim in MN
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Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:36 | 4026560 Umh
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Okay I will agree that most liberals suspend/ignore reality a bit. They tend to be concerned to much with intentions and not enough with outcomes, but there are to many of them to be labeling them as unusual and calling someone a lunatic does imply that they are unusual.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:47 | 4025690 Miss Expectations
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Not forgetting the Washington Navy Yard shooting (Aaron Alexis).

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:33 | 4025827 Future Jim
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He was black, but that was different. He was being harassed using ELF technology, which is why he wrote "my ELF weapon" on his shotgun - payback time!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:30 | 4026087 Freddie
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I think he was Haitian American.  Another false flag BS with that.  They called off a SWAT team enroute.   How many whites did he kill?   Just like the Ft Hood shooting.   This insane shit is now almost a daily event with Obama.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:23 | 4025651 ISEEIT
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Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:23 | 4025652 Seasmoke
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Feinstein needs to shut down all gas stations.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:26 | 4025656 diesheepledie
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Thank god none of our hero DC police were hurt. Does this get a standing O from the congress like killing young mothers does?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:35 | 4026093 Freddie
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This really sucked.   They could have tased her or something.  She was not going to kill anyone.   Police state bastards. 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:25 | 4025657 Yen Cross
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   There's a lot of ways to punch your ticket. Self immolation ranks about {1001} on the pleasurable exit scale. I find zero humor in watching a human being that's so destitute mentally and financially, break the hard wired DNA of self preservation and suicide himself in this manner. This country is FUBAR!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:25 | 4025659 DOGGONE
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This is worth telling. Decades ago, in South Vietnam, several monks there did self-immolations, as a protest against the government, which was USA-friendly. These got a LOT of coverage in our USA media. Then there was one self-immolation outside the Pentagon by a USA citizen -- REMARKABLE was the minimal media coverage!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:44 | 4026571 Jumbotron
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Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:37 | 4026959 Ropingdown
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If you vote for candidates funded by bankers, the economy becomes financialized.  When the economy becomes financialized, the bankers scream for MOAR.  When the bankers scream fpr more, the Fed prints money, but only for the bankers.  When the fed prints money only for bankers, real productive investement dries up.  When real productive investment drives up, you lose your job.  When you lose your job you compulsively read internet news.  When you compulsively read internet news, you start to realize somebody stole your government but the media enjoys covering it as if it was a Red-Blue carnival.  When you realize somebody stole your government but the media covers it as a Red-Blue carnival you lose your last grip on sanity.  When you lose your last grip on sanity you go to DC to shoot, bump into cops, or immolate yourself.


Don't immolate yourself.  Vote for candidates backed by individual contributions.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:35 | 4025662 SgtShaftoe
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Don't be suprised to see his friends and family Todachev'd to keep things quiet. DC has sure screwed the pooch now.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:40 | 4026564 Umh
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They screw the pooch every day if you mean immoral behaviour.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:32 | 4025665 Conax
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His death isn't tragic, it's merciful.  His immolation was tragic. 

Of all the ways to make a political statement, this one is the craziest.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:40 | 4025666 Blazed
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Maybe he suspected himself of being a witch.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:31 | 4025668 q99x2
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Arrest Loyd Blankfein, Ben Bernanke and Jamie Dimon. Try them at Nuremberg for financial terrorism.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:41 | 4025693 yogibear
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I'm sure a lot of seniors and foreclosed people would like to see some noose and boiled rope action.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:54 | 4026449 RaceToTheBottom
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Save the rope and boil them

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:32 | 4025674 Miss Expectations
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Reggie Love

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:08 | 4025680 Doyle Hargraves
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Obviously the media is selectively ignoring this story and the one from the day before because they see no benefit to the current regime they have propped up by talking about a man self immolating himself at the National Mall or the DC gestapo killing a mother with her child. It's OK though. Plenty of gallows for them when the time comes. Judging by the actions of the DC gestapo lately (kill first and ask questions later), that time won't be too far off.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:35 | 4025681 Conax
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Then there's Malachi Ritscher. People saw a flame on the roof of a building in Chicago, you could see it from the highway.  Later the immolated man was found.  He just wanted to make his death special.  Nutz.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:33 | 4026754 bunnyswanson
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Leaving earth in a ball of flames with a public view is more than just a "special" act.  It is message saying:  "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?   ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?"

How do you expect people to live when they have no money.  The only alternative is death.  Some men are too proud to go to their children or relatives.  And again, after dating for a while, it is quite amazing how many men are content, sitting back, waiting for their parents to die, to collect their long awaited inheritance.  They spend hours talking about which sibling deserves it, which do not, how much there is to spread around and how they have a right to it.  That is a sad commentary in itself.  These men do not take part in the discussion about a failing economy due to this very reason - an inheritance, sometimes only 100 grand, but it is enough for them to check out of reality and count the days until their parent's money is in their checking account.


Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:39 | 4025688 Fix It Again Timmy
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Congress has put out a "Yard Sale" sign on America and the 1% are loading up...

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:44 | 4025702 involuntarilybirthed
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Suicide stuff from Wiki:   (although this is likely a political/some statement event)

Globally, as of 2008/2009, suicide is the tenth leading cause of death

Rates of suicide have increased by 60% from the 1960s to 2012

For every suicide that results in death there are between 10 and 40 attempted suicides

In the Western world, males die three to four times more often by means of suicide than do females, although females attempt suicide four times more often.  This has been attributed to males using more lethal means to end their lives.

This difference is even more pronounced in those over the age of 65 with tenfold more males committing suicide than females.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:19 | 4025804 Doyle Hargraves
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Sick of government-full of tyrants...

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:03 | 4025903 SAT 800
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---said the man said something beforehand, "but it was nothing intelligible"; that don't signify. He could say nothing intelligible as a matter of course, and be president; and I can prove that.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:46 | 4025709 headless blogger
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Hopefully people can stay aware of how the race card is always played by the PTB when nations are crumbling and not participate in that. Unfortunately, when times start getting bad, people start looking for scapegoats.

It isn't too surprising that this is starting in the black population; they've been one of hardest hit groups from the Banking and Political Scammers....But it's spreading. People should take it out on the people that are most responsible if they must, not themselves or communities.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:56 | 4025729 involuntarilybirthed
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Be patient.  Congressional committees, Justice, the WH, SEC and Treasury are on it.  It's only a matter of time before our exceptionalism kicks in and the scoundrels pay a few million in fines after swindleing and defrauding billions leaving the middle class in a near scorched earth state.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:46 | 4026577 Umh
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  It is hard enough for an intelligent and educated person to survive when the Levithian government is thrashing about; just imagine how hard it must be for the less educated and less intelligent person to make it.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 12:58 | 4025740 JD59
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Another happy Barry Soetoro supporter. This is an Obamanation!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:03 | 4025759 shovelhead
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Wondering why there seems to be an outbreak in crazy in DC?

Leadership...or more correctly, lack thereof.

Welcome to Obamastan...




Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:05 | 4025761 radiotom
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Perhaps he was commiting suicide and couldn't purchase a firearm because of DC's strict gun laws. This way to die so much more civilized. Obviously we now need to ban gasoline. Oh wait, we're already working on that? OK.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:05 | 4025907 Jim in MN
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Easy fix:  Issue one bullet and one disposable gun to every citizen.

I wonder what would happen......

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:47 | 4026586 Umh
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Someone would go around and buy them.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:23 | 4026937 Ropingdown
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And export them to Mexico.... and fakes would show up on Canal Street two days later.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:04 | 4025765 Van Halen
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Man sets himself on fire on national mall.

Obama: "We need to change the Redskins' name!"

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:54 | 4025876 Atomizer
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Kenyon Narcissist


How is that for a new team name?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:41 | 4026108 Freddie
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Maybe the guy was a Redskins fan and was sad because they are 1-3 or a Giants fan because they are 0-4. 

Sad.  Two disturbed people very publicly dead in DC, vets blocked from public parks and the muslim is worried about the Redskins name. 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:51 | 4026589 Umh
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The Washington Pretenders has a nice sound to it. On the other hand we could go with the Washington Immolators.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:05 | 4025769 Debugas
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governmental workers setting themselves on fire ? too deep in debt and no pay check is a nasty combination

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:18 | 4025799 W74
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I saw Obama's speech about the need to end the shutdown so that (30% of) government workers can get their paychex and pay their bills.  Are they really living that closely to the edge all the time?

I guess when you think you can never lose your job and that your pay will always increase every year then you don't have to worry about saving jack shit for if/when the money stops coming in. 

I saw this paragidm first hand when mother fuckers (one of them out ranking me!!!) would come up to me and ask for money. As if I was going to lend any to people who couldn't manage now, as if they were going to take care of themselves next month AND pay me back. Motherfuckers going broke by the 2nd and the 16th? Not taking that credit risk.  There's a reason half a dozen payday lenders are all set up on every street coming off of military bases.

Government "Workers" in D.C. though.  What a joke.  Why should honest citizens from Idaho or Alabama, or Nebraska have to bear the burden of supporting them?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:53 | 4026595 Umh
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You can make some good money loaning to people in the military, but there are some risk involved. If you are in the service and not part of some gang the biggest risk is just have all that cash around.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:24 | 4025813 Pig Circus
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governmental workers setting themselves on fire ? too deep in debt and no pay check is a nasty combination

The cocker suckers in congress just voted to give those non-essential workers back pay this morning. I say fuck that shit.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:13 | 4025782 W74
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I deeply lament the loss of life.  I've seen enough of it slip away.  This was probably a good man who likely had psychological issues, and may have been yet another false-flag perpetrated by one of our Alphabet agencies.

Having said that: What's with the use of Blacks these past few weeks?  Aaron Alexis from the Navy Yard shooting, the lady from Connecticut two days ago, and then this man yesterday? These occurrences are either an anomaly or something fishy is going on....and I always lean toward fishy.

Was Chris Dorner a test case?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:12 | 4025786 JD59
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Everything this POTUS has touched has turned to destruction & gnashing of teeth in America & the rest of the world. He should be real proud of himself how he has "helped his brothers & sisters". This action shows his great success.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:14 | 4025789 alpharack
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Fucking unimaginable that a US citizen commits such horrendous atrocities against themselves.It happened in Tunisia. And then it is happening in USA. He must really be fucked in his own mind to kill himself in the land the free.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:21 | 4026639 Umh
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It may be the land of the free, but someone has stolen it.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:21 | 4025806 PT
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Chris Dorner, is that you AGAIN???  The manifesto, the navy yard ... nothing can stop you now!

(Yes, yes, all black, bald guys look the same to me ... In my defence, I haven't carefully examined close-up photos ... )
(If you're a black guy, might be time to reconsider your motives for shaving your head bald???  What else are you thinking?)

Mental note, if a family member dies in a bizarre way, stay away from all media until you're ready to handle black (no pun intended) humour again.

Condolensces to the family.   

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:54 | 4026141 Freddie
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Chris Dorner was odd.  He seemed to be just a F up AA hire in So Cal.  He was too fat to be a cop.  They have to have at least some fitness and he could barely run 100 yards. There was a video of him "running" and the cops were telling his he was too fat. Young guy who was way out of shape.  He probably had high blood pressure already.

Dorner's other problem is blacks can no longer play the race card in So Calif.  Latinos outrank blacks now in So Cal as the chosen minority.  Latinos, especially Mexicans, do not humor or put up with blacks like guilty liberal whites.   Even the Crips and The Bloods have said that Latino drug gangs want to wipe them out.  Mexicans in So Cal do not like blacks. There was a black couple walking near LA and Mexicans starting shooting at them.  They had no ties to any gang.

Once Dorner got fired from PD - thin blue line PD cop gravy train - his prospects were slim and none.  He also had that So Cal celeb thing going where eveybody wants to be a star or get their own reality show. 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:08 | 4026617 PT
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Thanks for the perspective.  You're right.  That is strange.  And yet he kept the cops on the run for how long?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:42 | 4025808 marcusfenix
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it's fitting isn't it?

that this should happen in our nations capitol, home to what is quickly becoming the largest three ring freak show satanic circus of the macabre the world has ever seen. 

how many grave yards has Washington filled over the past 20 years? how many lives ruined, how many hearts, minds and bodies destroyed because of them?

who was this man? an Obama supporter betrayed? a veteran who was given prescription poison to help dull the pain of fighting in a war that has no moral purpose, no just cause and no end? a father, who thanks to the government sponsored and enabled obliteration of the middle class in America can no longer find a way to support his family?

the possibilities are endless, but I have little doubt that the he choose that place to preform his final act on this earth for a very specific reason.

because that place is evil and those who dwell within are afflicted by evil and insanity, as evidenced when just yesterday they all cheered an unarmed American citizen, a women and a mother being shot down like a rabid dog in the street.

this is what our capitol has become, a place where the powerful can revel in spreading misery, death and destruction. 

I don't know what extreme of emotions would cause one to make there final statement one of such violence, rage and pain but I pray this mans soul has found peace in the after life.

a sing of the times and a taste of what's to come.     


Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:12 | 4026039 WillyGroper
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The absolute majority of people will not challenge their beliefs. They're almost set in stone. Having been personally touched by suicide, I can say with absolute certainty that it turns your world upside down & challenges ALL beliefs. It's not so much as the method, although this poor man made a very bold statement by his method & even more so the location. What drives a person to such extremes is the loss of all hope & the feeling of being trapped with no way out. They just want the pain to end. I cannot possibly imagine the physical pain of immolation, but I'd bet the ranch it did not compare to his emotional suffering that drove him to it. 

There's some fucking hope for Obama and he can keep the change.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:25 | 4026073 headless blogger
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Not sure if this video has been seen by ZH viewers but an eyewitness says they pulled Miriam's child out of the car FIRST (she was watching whole thing) and then the gunfire started.  Wolf moves on with the interview without a double-take on that news:

Capitol Hill shooting eyewitness describes scene


Sat, 10/05/2013 - 16:07 | 4026159 Freddie
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They assasinated the woman.  They could have used a taser.  No reason to kill her.  Sad.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:58 | 4027067 butler401
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They assassinated her to send a message to all of us.

Do what your fucking told or die.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 00:09 | 4027078 akak
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And pretty soon, what we are going to be told to do IS to die.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 01:22 | 4027141 butler401
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or we will beg others to pour gasoline over our heads ...

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 14:15 | 4027924 NaN
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Tasers are for torture, and they don't torture in DC.

The incident reminds me of all the checkpoints the US set up in Iraq. They were perplexed when many people would speed up after being fired upon in a war zone.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:58 | 4027065 butler401
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Well you have to do what cop say,

First they told her to stop at the first check-point and she fled, and they shot at her, well she tried to do a u-turn when she saw the check-point, and when she did the u-turn they drew their guns and she panicked, remember her family is COP, so this woman doesn't fear COP, ... and now shes dead.

Then when they drove her car off the road, they politely asked for the baby and she refused, and then they ripped the baby from the mothers arms, and then they blew her fucking face off.

The story here folks is do what cops say the first time,

Secondly, obviously somebody has orders down from the TOP "DONT KILL BABYS", ... so my guess is that's the next thing to watch for, ... baby killing in DC by cops.

But for now it appears that its ALL good to kill anyone anytime without a reason, ...


ON the subject of 'fire man' eyewitnesses saw others dump gasoline over his head and ignite him, clearly the man was drugged as the joggers said he was grateful to be saved. Note in the photos the 'red gas can', ... come on folks can you imagine walking around with a red gas can? where were the fucking cops?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:02 | 4026477 Oldrepublic
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This article about a new type of killer was posted by the American Thinker a few days ago

Does Aaron Alexis Represent A New Breed of Killer?

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 01:21 | 4027139 butler401
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Well dude,have you ever heard of RAMPART? In LA? Of which Doerner saw?

Fuck yes, everyday is 'killing season' on blacks,..

Hell yes Alexis had every right to be frustrated, and Doerner at the hypocrisy,

Why is the white-establishment surprised to see this new killer, the ex-cop, and/or soldier that goes mad?

I mean the white-cop lives by the gun, and kills by the gun, and its not news but a black-man, ... he does this and oh my god the slaves have gone off reservation.

Long ago the manager of RAMPART said to me "the downfall of the USA will be the inability to assimilate the black man post civil war". Rampart was a secret division of the LAPD whose sole job was to shoot black-men.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:35 | 4025830 Duc888
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....should be a way to "blame whitey" somehow.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:42 | 4026116 Jethro
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The media will probably Photoshop whips in place of t-shirts.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:38 | 4025835 22winmag
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I'm sure they ARE NOT searching for the "motive", like they are with Miriam.


NEWSFLASH: Fear of armed goons is plenty of motive to flee a traffic stop or car accident. There are hundreds of things that could motivate someone to light themselves on fire in America today.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:59 | 4025892 SAT 800
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Even without "searching"; how do you fail to make a connection between setting yourself on fire in your nations capital; and a statement that the government is all rucked up? He picked Washington, DC, by accident? Why not Kansas City? Come on; we all know, approximately what the motive was; the motive was; Hey, wake up, people !

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:26 | 4026655 Umh
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That's like writing for a grade when you are unsure of the answer.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:41 | 4025838 walküre
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there will be no compromise over this weekend or next and there will be no deal on the debt ceiling

prepare for default

nobody knows what is coming next

War with Syria didn't happen and now we're off script

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:47 | 4025856 Doyle Hargraves
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We can only hope that the script is truly out the window...

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:02 | 4025898 Jim in MN
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If they stick it to Boehner BEFORE he can bring a Betrayal Bill to the floor, then it will be real.

Frankly they should just get rid of him now.  IF they are serious.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:45 | 4025851 Broomer
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Wait a minute, something is off here.

Where is the suicide note?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:18 | 4025938 Papasmurf
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This was not just a suicide, but someone trying to make a statement.  This statement hasn't been reported.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 15:13 | 4026049 WillyGroper
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What makes you think they always leave one?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:58 | 4025882 SAT 800
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I thought people only set themselves on fire in really desperate fucked up countries like Vietnam. I guess I was wrong; cause this is a nice country where everything is going just fine.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:34 | 4026665 Umh
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The "great society" has destroyed the hopes of black people who were trying to become part of the larger American society. I can understand why they would be in a state of despair.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:00 | 4025891 Jim in MN
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Could be a psycho, could be a statement.  Or both.  'Tis an empirical question. 

If one actually wishes to know the answer that is.

Funny how CNN and Fox pull the sheets up over their eyes.  As do many commenters here BTW.

RIP Mr. X.

I happened to be there, by the way, at least I saw the squad cars and wondered what it was.  Nice day.  Hot.  Went to see it on the news.  Nothing.  "LOCAL STORY." 

What is the Truth?

Don't let fear or greed (self indulgence) stop you from asking.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 13:59 | 4025893 Atomizer
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Why didn't the NSA or DHS alert it's peasants that this man was going to set himself on fire. How dare you put us in harms way.


Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:01 | 4025901 Jim in MN
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Drones with fire extinguishers, now there's something potentially useful.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:24 | 4025951 Atomizer
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NSA rebuttable to Atomizer:


If we just have installed Face Recognition, Video Analytics, this could have been avoided.. We are actively working with all strip mall owners to see if we can increase monthly rentals suites by subsidizing safety for all mall rats to window shop in the care of collecting personal data as you browse through our empty mall. Err,  I mean beautiful mall

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:30 | 4025969 quasimodo
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Just curios where the hell the two "Rev's" are right now?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 14:34 | 4025974 virgilcaine
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I believe this should mark the US as being officially classified.... as Third World Status. It represents a society in deep trouble.

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