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US Shutdown Cut In Half After Pentagon Recalls 400,000 Workers: Half Of All Furloughs

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It took just four days before the Federal government caved to Congress and admitted that it can't even operate in a partial, "non-essential" shutdown. A few short hours ago Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered 400,000 furloughed Pentagon civilian employees - or about half the total defense employees - back to work. it is also roughly half of the total employees furloughed since the start of the government shutdown, which is now in its fifth day, and since both the House and the Senate are now gone until Monday afternoon, it appears the shutdown, even if now at half mast will continue for at least a week.

Why did Hagel decide he can get bypass orders and tell government workers they can cut their vacation short? The Hill explains:

After consulting with the Justice Department and Department of Defense legal counsel, Hagel noted furloughed employees could be brought back to the Pentagon, while still complying with federal guidelines governing the shutdown, according to the memo.

 

Civilian workers at DOD shown to play a role in the "morale, well-being [and]...readiness" of U.S. forces could be brought back, under federal rules, Hagel wrote.

 

Pentagon Comptroller Bob Hale is scheduled to hold a briefing on the details of the recall later today.

The decision was prised by both sides of Congress, even as the political grandstanding and talking point reiterating continued:

Lawmakers praised the Pentagon's decision to put the department's civilian workforce back on the federal pay roll. "Congress fully intended for all of our civilian defense workers to be treated the same as our active duty military members," House Armed Services Committee member Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) said in a statement Saturday.

 

"All [federal employees] are vital to our national defense and need to be on the job protecting the nation," he added.

 

While supportive of the Pentagon's decision, Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said the move would have been unnecessary if Obama had not "been playing politics" with civilian furloughs.

 

The White Houses "should not have furloughed these hard working men and women," Turner said in a statement Saturday.

 

"They should have been allowed to work through this entire shutdown," the House defense panel member said, adding Obama is using federal workers as "bargaining chips" in the ongoing shutdown stand off with congressional Republicans.

 

"These men and women are crucial to our country's national defense and I am glad they will be allowed to go back to work this week to support our armed forces," he added.

Alas, since the coffers of the Treasury are finite, and since there rate of cash inflows is still the same, the fact that suddenly 400k more people will have to be paid salaries will mean that the government's cash will ran out that much faster, likely well before the October 17 X-Date, meaning the debt ceiling deadline, and surrounding negotiations, just got pushed forward.

Finally, all this happened hours after the House passed the Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act, H.R. 3223, in a 407-0 vote: in an expected outcome. This means that the second the government is "restarted" all the furloughed workers will get all their accrued pay backdate to the start of the government shutdown. In other words: government workers just got an extended vacation, and one which may even result in double pay, as most furloughed employees can apply for and receive unemployment benefits, with the proviso that they refund any such compensation the BLS gives them once the furlough ends. Something tells us the BLS will be less than strict in enforcing said collection.

 

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Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:28 | 4026365 One And Only
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We're shut down in name only.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:29 | 4026370 knukles
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We're led in name only

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:34 | 4026390 Deacon Frost
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Do the government workers get paid retro from the beginning of the furlough? Paid time off?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:38 | 4026397 ShrNfr
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That is what passed the House. Interesting politically, but cowardice otherwise.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:45 | 4026420 max2205
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What a joke of a govt...Jimmy Carter...you have a phone call

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:51 | 4026443 kaiserhoff
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De Nada.

Cut the salaries in half, and the pensions by 90% and we'll call it even.

Some of us can neeegotiate.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:22 | 4026517 john39
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time for war in the ME?  why else drag all these people back?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:28 | 4026536 markettime
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All of these government employees work so hard and they earn every penny that they make. They diserve this nice little paid vacation. (I almost said it with a straight face) 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:35 | 4026669 Manthong
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Hey,  an unarmed woman with a baby made a direct attack on the entire country.. if that isn’t reason enough for an arms race and a full-fledged military retaliatory response, what is?

And not to mention the grave threat to the nation of a man who immolates himself in the middle of the Mall.

So  400,000 Pentagon employees are needed just for logistics and morale to support the military effort, to defend us in our gravest hour and support the woefully under-armed  and docile Capitol Police.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:08 | 4026724 Ying-Yang
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If the idea of Gov shutdown is to save money then callbacks and paid while on furlough negates the action?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:30 | 4026950 palmereldritch
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Do you think this surveillance state is just going to build itself?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:55 | 4026451 kaiserhoff
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Plains, Georgia is missing their village idiot?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:56 | 4026458 lolmao500
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No. Georgia's village idiot is hard at work :

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/lawmaker-wants-bicyclists-buy-licen...

Lawmaker wants Georgia bicyclists to buy license plates

Some Georgia lawmakers are considering forcing owners of every bicycle in the state to buy license plates, just like cars and trucks.

Channel 2's Jeff Dore talked to some drivers and bikers who were worked up by the proposed provisions.

Rep. Carl Rogers, R- Hall County said he has heard it over and over from constituents, fed up with slow bike riders taking up lanes on country roads.

Over the last three years, I've heard from a lot of property owners, a lot of drivers of automobiles and trucks, and they keep asking me -- when are we going to do something. When Im going to do something about it, Rogers said.

Rogers and two colleagues have introduced house bill 689. It would require bikes to buy and display license plates, forbid riding side-by-side, allow only four riders in a single-file group and even let counties ban bikes from some roads.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:05 | 4026611 hardcleareye
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OMG....  I hear banjos peddle faster...  must the limited gene pool.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 09:29 | 4027429 GetZeeGold
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Pull that tricycle over and keep your hands where I can see them!

 

I don't care if you're only 5 years old.....show me your damn papers.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:57 | 4026803 NidStyles
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We all know how crowded those country roads are...

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 21:11 | 4026825 CPL
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Pot holes and tire punctures at no extra cost.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:58 | 4026466 RaceToTheBottom
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Next will be the park rangers.

We must have no pain whatsoever....

Reality is what we make of it!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:48 | 4026424 One And Only
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Why do you think no one is angry?

Perk of working for the govy. Get paid to not work.

Park service guy I know has been going to the beach every day laughing at how our policitiancs THINK they are somehow hurting him. He seriously is having a blast. He says the longer the shutdown lasts the longer his paid vacation lasts so he's hoping for a shutdown that lasts as long as possible.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:59 | 4026463 lolmao500
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I live in socialist Canada and let me tell ya... the LIFE GOAL of most people here is to get a government job. Once you're in, they can't kick you out and you get a nice pay and pension.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:08 | 4026489 El Tuco
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Well from what I understand it is the largest employer in Canada and the pay and benefits make what most people get in the private sector laughable. It's hard to beleive that whole system hasn't collapsed yet.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:44 | 4026572 hardcleareye
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Your understanding is deeply FLAWED!!!!!

Here is the link to Statics Canada....  http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labr71a-eng.htm

Total employment for 2012 - 15,241,457

Total Public Administration -1,049,216

and here is the link to the break down of Public Administration

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labr71p-eng.htm

<sadly shaking head at the willful ignorance of some people..... it took me less than two minutes to pull these stats up!!!>


Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:29 | 4026750 flyingcaveman
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There's alot they are not counting.  Post office, parks dept, motor vehicles, health care, insurance, police, public education teachers and professors, etc.  all not technically 'public administration' still government jobs, then there's plenty off other crown corporations that are sort of pseudo governmental jobs with huge perks and job security.   Its how you count it.  I have a friend who owns an apartment complex, but most of his tenents are on welfare, so he's really only one step removed from collecting it himself.  Same thing if I work for a private company who only does government contract jobs.  The boss is only one step removed from the government/taxpayer tit.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:33 | 4026555 hardcleareye
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". the LIFE GOAL of most people here is to get a government job."

I too live in Canada and call bullshit on your statment... 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:24 | 4026651 prains
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Me too! Total Bullshit, this is the last thing that any Albertan that I know wants to do, maybe if you live in Ottawa and there is nothing else to do or in BC where there' s no industry but pot or logs. But complete bullshit otherwise

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 21:16 | 4026829 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about then. Here in BC (Van Island) there are no logging jobs left. City workers in my town have doubled while the population of the town has collapsed over 30%. Nothing but gold plated public union bullshit.

Both of you need to wake up. Canada has very serious problems, foremost a huge housing bubble and massive consumer debt (higher % than Americans).

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:53 | 4026855 prains
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that's what i said Ottawa or BC this may be the two places where this is true, in Alberta it's the opposite

<-------Ottawa and BC don't like to be called out as freeloaders they much prefer Quebec takes the blame

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:18 | 4027011 Bay of Pigs
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Without Alberta, the whole country would be floundering. Ontario and Quebec are hollowed out and finished. That's like saying the US is doing great because umemployment is low in S Dakota. Canada has massive debt problems (consumer) and a broken down health care system too.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:53 | 4027057 yogibear
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And with Crashberry heading south. Nortel was destroyed.

One coud imagine the goverment being hugh.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:48 | 4026425 Deacon Frost
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Even though MillionDollarBonus_ is not commenting, he is always monitoring the site for his enemies.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:30 | 4026540 markettime
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That is because he was considered non-essential. 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:43 | 4026573 Renewable Life
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My fucking question is this, how many federal .gov workers are there???

Do these 400,000 represent less then 10% of the total yet??? That way we can just stop the bullshit charade and call this bitch on MSM, what it is, a complete fucking joke!!

No government salaries or benefits were hurt in the filming of the US Congress pretending to still be a republic and represent "the people" as defined by our founders!!!!

Lets hurry up and get this bitch ass debt to 20 trillion, I want a round number to fixate on, like Dow 15,000, lets tell the tea party to reverse their strategy and let's just stand on the fucking accelerator pedal and quit the BS!! You tell that bitch Yellen to double that shit when she gets in there, 170 billion a month, fuck it, I need my round number again, make it 200 billion a month, that shoud get that 10yr TN to about a half of a percent interest!!! That will fix this shit, right Kenyesians, let do this shit!!!

All in time, fuck em!!!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:26 | 4026647 Renewable Life
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God I love the idiot down arrow!!! Even on ZH you have to tell people it's sarcasism or there not sure they like it!!!!
Lmfao

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 00:20 | 4027093 chemystical
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"My fucking question is this, how many federal .gov workers are there???"

Aside from the obvious answer, "Too many", consider this:  in 2009 there were more than 10,000 lawyers working in the Defense department ALONE.

http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=1401

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:48 | 4026791 Oleander
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This is intended to pay the workers who had to show up to work anyway. If they did not pass this they would not get paid for the work performed over the last  2 weeks. They are on a bi-weekly pay period.

The people who do not have to show up should not be getting anything but a card with the 800 number for affordable healthcare.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:59 | 4026393 ShrNfr
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However we are bled in reality.The area that has gotten richest it the past 5 years is the DC area.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:28 | 4026412 SafelyGraze
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and what about the unpaid interns throughout DC?

who will speak up to end their furloughs?

please. let the unpaid interns of america Continue Working!

without furlough!

albeit with no benefits and no pay 

and no benefits

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 09:09 | 4027410 Bendromeda Strain
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Interns are suckers

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:34 | 4026371 TruthInSunshine
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Whatever would we do if those 400,000 federal workers making an average of $88,000 each plus generous fringe benefits were not brought back to work.

There are 23,000,000 federal, state & local unit of government workers, or, stated alternatively, 1 government employee for every 5.5 American who is deemed employed, so it's not as if the government sector is bloated or anything /s.

The horror.....the horror......

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:25 | 4026533 Zadok
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Feral workers?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:17 | 4026634 Money Maker
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Feral workers or federal workers are both wrong. Its not like they realy work and earn a living.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:22 | 4026746 Ying-Yang
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"1 government employee for every 5.5 American"

With my family of 6, I am requesting my 1 government employee to show up at 8 am in the morning to help clean windows.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:32 | 4026554 Renewable Life
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Besides the active duty military personel, every single one of them is a union worker too, to some degree or another!!! Who TF said union labor was dead in America????

Jesus, the only thing I might question is, if that 5.5 number is a little high, that would only imply about 20% of American jobs are government employees, I have to think it feels more like 35% these days!!!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:43 | 4026778 TruthInSunshine
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That 23,000,000 federal, state & local, unit of government worker figure does NOT include enlisted military personnel nor government contractors.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:14 | 4027017 in4mayshun
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...or the millions of medical workers that also unoffically work for the Government

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:53 | 4026444 lolmao500
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Most of America is in name only. Freedom, rights, capitalism, republic, justice, accountability... all in name only.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:24 | 4026649 Escrava Isaura
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Pentagon has this nation by the balls... Buddy!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:55 | 4026994 Non Passaran
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SHutdown In Theory = SHIT

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:27 | 4026367 Seize Mars
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Travishamockery.

The "shutdown" is, like all else that comes from NM Rothschilds & Sons, a lie.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:31 | 4026373 knukles
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Kabuki Theatre

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:07 | 4026490 DYS
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Bukkake theater. 

 

Our faces.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:32 | 4026378 freewolf7
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furlough on/furlough off
The ponzi game is soon over.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:31 | 4026379 Devotional
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"the show must go on" - Queen, Freddie Mercury.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:47 | 4026422 max2205
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Retail sales is all that matters to this economy

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:00 | 4026467 lolmao500
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Not even that.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:32 | 4026383 orangegeek
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No problem.  Keep paying.  The issue isn't paying people today.  The issue is long term structural.

 

Obama needs handcuffs put on his spending.  It's just that simple.

 

Fucking Barry cocksucker closes down memorials to cause as much pain to the voters as possible.  Fuck you and your family Barry you miserable pig.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:42 | 4026567 JohnG
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Obama needs handcuffs

FIFY.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:23 | 4026942 Abiotic Oil
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You're saying he needs a pair beyond the ones he has for Reggie, right?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:34 | 4026385 BurningFuld
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Civilian workers at DOD shown to play a role in the "morale, well-being [and]...readiness" of U.S. forces could be brought back, under federal rules, Hagel wrote.

That is 400,000 fucking people? Nothing like government efficiency.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:33 | 4026386 Pooper Popper
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OK ,Im really starting to get pissed off!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:14 | 4026622 Money Maker
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Today, it was the angriest I have ever been at the government. I went with my wife, son and dog to a trail in Tucson madera canyon. We been going there for 7 years. NEVER, NOT ONCE, HAVE A SEEN A FEDERAL WORKER OR PARK EMPLOYEE WORKING THERE! So we get there after 1 hour drive. Sense the park has no entrance per say, nothing was closed. The welcome visitors was empty and no one working there as always. As we make our way up the road, we find that every public parking lot that gave people access to trails was blocked with yellow tape. They fucken closed all the parken lots. Not only that, there was a shit load of Federal workers and Park personels to tell people the park was close and TOWING the cars that parked on the side of the road. No doubt, those assholes will get double pay for a job well done.

But my angre quickly gave way to self infactuation. I realyzed that unlike those people, my life is amazing and worth living. I create things for society, I'm physicaly healthy, very good looking (as is my wife, dog and son), I have money, I have pride, I have everything that those folks will never have. They are nothing but crippled shit flinging unproductive monkeys.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 13:08 | 4027757 Seize Mars
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No shit, genius, this is finally starting to sink in? Why, because it finally impacted something you care about? What about the money they steal from you every paycheck? You hadn't noticed that for the last xx number of years?

When they take your money, without your consent, it is theft. They are thieves.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 22:02 | 4036704 shiftless
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I used to live in Tucson as a kid...I know where you're talking about. Beautiful area down there. I loved those nature trails. Would be a damn shame if some asshole started taking pot shots at those cop cars. As I recall there is a lot of open space out there, a fella could probably have a hot round bust through his ass from a long ways off, and never even know where it was coming from.

At the very least, it'd be a hell of a long walk back to town if all their tires were shot out.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:33 | 4026387 Aknownymouse
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So it seems to me that Obama is capitulating. Who is winning now Obamba?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:48 | 4026423 Trimmed Hedge
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Carlos Estevez...

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 03:16 | 4027212 HardlyZero
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or...calling everyone back and then prepping for readiness.   Maybe they have a short-term, medium-term, and long-term plan for when things shut down ?  Logistics and materials and all.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:35 | 4026389 ShrNfr
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They will also begin to refer to the military as the armed farces of America. Why anyone would be willing to put their lives on the line for these clowns escapes me.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:33 | 4026445 moonstears
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They actually do it for you, dipshit. "Specken de Deutsch?" No? Then thank a WWII vet. Agree that political leadership is lacking, but it's NOT for their local/national "representative" so much as general well being and protection of "countrymen".

either a lot of fuckin' trolls are negging me, or we are fucked, as you assholes have no idea of country, and the "NWO" has won...sigh.(eet fuk, Brewwzinski and Hillarity, and Rockingfellows and Rottenshields and you too Chainnny)

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:16 | 4026629 Money Maker
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As a whole,this country is full of greedy fat lazy opportunist bitter angry parasites.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 05:47 | 4026816 NidStyles
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As a Veteran, no they don't. Most of those poeple are doing it because 4 weeks of paid leave a year, free medical care, and college money. There are very few people that believe they are actually doing good for anyone in the military.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:54 | 4027051 mrpxsytin
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Damn bro, that propaganda has got you bad!

You actually believe that Germany would have 1) invaded the USA while it was not even able to take Britain and Russia, then 2) converted your entire school system so that the primary language was German, and 3) maintained that system until the present day.

You sir, are a fucking idiot. 

The reality is that hundreds of thousands of Americans were killed fighting a war that had nothing to do with national defense. 

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 00:06 | 4027072 akak
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One NSA

One Idiocracy

One Messiah

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:37 | 4026398 shovelhead
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The donuts must be served.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:40 | 4026404 valkir
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Dunno for you,but i am tired watching all around me.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:43 | 4026409 lolmao500
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/what-shutdown-mean...

What a 'Shutdown' Means: $63B Spent, $26B Taxed; $1.6B Borrowed; $1B Paid in Salaries--in Just 2 Days

Shutdown? Not so much.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:41 | 4026413 Debugas
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one can not shut down a man with a gun

one can only shoot him down

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:48 | 4026417 ebworthen
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Can't they just create money from nothing to pay us all with?  They do it for banks, insurers, and other corporations?

Or...would that be like teaching the populace to be literate and that Royalty is, in fact, not ordained by God to rule over them?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:48 | 4026434 fonzannoon
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I saw an article (maybe on yahoo) earlier about how the swiss are putting the idea of paying $2,800 to every adult there to a vote. 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:44 | 4026418 Smegley Wanxalot
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Hagel ordered them back so they can execute the coming war against the US citizens

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:08 | 4026495 g'kar
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Scary thought, but possibly accurate.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:50 | 4026430 lolmao500
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You know, sending weapons to Al-CIAda in Syria requires a lot of bureaucracy! That's why they are coming back!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:51 | 4026432 JustObserving
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If you did not know that the Pentagon runs this country, you better cut back on your booze and drugs.  

Please go back to watching football.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:45 | 4027049 butler401
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Nobody run's anything its a free for all fbi, dea, cia, nsa,.. mil army, navy, ...

every fucking agency with a gun, is out to get theirs and keep their dept intact,...

nobody is in control, and everybody has signed a MOU with the other dept that says 'never mind, if I don't bust you, you don't bust me',...

eventually of course there is nothing left to steal, or nobody left to kill, that time is coming soon,

a kleptocracy only works when there is shit to steal, once all the loot is gone, ... its game-over

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:53 | 4026440 lolmao500
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Alas, since the coffers of the Treasury are finite

I think you misspelled infinite...

the fact that suddenly 400k more people will have to be paid salaries will mean that the government's cash will ran out that much faster, likely well before the October 17 X-Date

Excellent... the faster this bullshit ends the better... since we all know it's the endgame anyway, why waste time... 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:54 | 4026447 FightingtheFed
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This is just sick and perverted..

 

How in the hell can you get paid when you are not working? What a fucking farce!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:32 | 4026546 Zadok
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No, it is distraction, which is foundational to deception. Wish I had the code book to interpret all the signs (like going for a walk, touching my left sock...) but in all it looks like we still have a good inventory of rope and lamp posts. Prolly gonna need 'em!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:56 | 4026456 RaceToTheBottom
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Bullish for gold/silver

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 17:57 | 4026459 tuttisaluti
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Start the fans we deliver the shit.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:00 | 4026472 10mm
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They gotta pay the boot stompers, that's all there is too it.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:01 | 4026474 g'kar
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Must have impacted the surveillance state too heavilly, had to cave or else all those TEA party folks will run rampant although only making up 10% of congress representation. @2014 let's make it 50%.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:09 | 4026480 q99x2
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400,000 employees to do busy work for globalists.

And they have the Chinese paying for it.

Something doesn't seem right.

Oh I forgot. They say they take their orders from the UN and get paid by central banksters. They don't need the Government of the United States of America.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 03:19 | 4027215 HardlyZero
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Maybe prepping for readiness, for what's next ?  In just 7 or 14 days...things might be much worse given many things are down.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:05 | 4026487 therevolutionwas
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Combine the millions of folks working for the gov't directly or indirectly with the millions getting moola from the government....

Are we outnumbered?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:16 | 4026508 w1ngsmk
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They may be back at work, but no one in federal service will receive a paycheck for any time at work on and after October 1st....until the Gubmit pass's a CR, budget or some kind of appropriation to fund itself ....they will accrue earnings only ....and since the House passed a resolution to make whole, meaning back pay for all of the furloughed employee's, I would think I would just stay home on paid vacation instead of going in to work...LOL

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:24 | 4026522 Stinko da Munk
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The only non-essential personnel are the taxpayers of the USA.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 04:00 | 4027241 GoldIsMoney
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You are wrong, they are the only essential personnel. Because they've to work to pay for that all. As long as there is government, big banks, big state and whatever care the only ones always needed are the tax payers. 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:36 | 4026547 tahoebumsmith
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400 THOUSAND? EMPLOYEES? WTF does 400 THOUSAND employees actually do or produce other then debt?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:38 | 4026561 lolmao500
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Ever seen Brazil? That's what they do.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:33 | 4026551 Spastica Rex
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This is not helping my (self-diagnosed) DPD.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:34 | 4026556 Zer0head
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steal a car in Cali

push back at the man

welcome to your new home

http://framework.latimes.com/2013/10/03/the-security-housing-unit-at-cor...

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 03:51 | 4029621 Parrotile
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At least the accommodation is . . ."Secure"!!

Not exactly "Des. Res." though and the neighbours do seem a bit rough . . . .

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:46 | 4026569 djsmps
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They'll all these military people since we committed terrorist attacks against two countries today.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 18:51 | 4026587 Son of Captain Nemo
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For any of us that haven't figured it out yet "All systems go" for moar war with Syria, er I mean Russia...

At this point since we have already been and will continue to be unwilling to show our faces in Washington after that wonderful show of force by the Capitol Police on a lone dental hygienest and a 1 year old in the back seat without a gun to further "draw the line in the sand" for us to not question their authority -I guess we can now expect the worst.

Guess it's up to the truck drivers and the U.S. Navy to get this one right. 

Give me unlimited QE on the 'Hope' cause the 'Change' done disappeared!

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:00 | 4026716 22winmag
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Let's not pretend Obama and his house-of-cards administration has the political capital to get into any kind of remotely serious shooting war.

 

He would have a close enounter with handcuffs, an exploding golf bag, or a firing squad in the blink of an eye.

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 04:06 | 4029630 Parrotile
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Depends on "who" wants the war.

There are more than a few in "well-connected" positions who are "concerned" with the "environmental footprint" aspect of having all those "useless eaters" around.

"Their" view would be that a "Good War" could be engineered to provide significant benefits (to "those that count"). Unfortunately warfare "now" is very far removed from warfare "then" (WW1 and 2), and it would only take one error of judgement (common in "The Heat of Battle") for things to become very unpleasant on a truly Global scale. Elimination of any vestige of "life as we know it now", and maybe elimination of life as we know it period.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:18 | 4026632 spooz
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Could it be that after the Senate Judiciary Committee's questioning of Clapper and Alexander on Wednesday,  agency lawyers responsible for determining nonessential employees were asked to reconsider? Sen. Grassley questioned how bad things could be if 70% of employees could be characterized as "nonessential" by agency lawyers under the furlough guidelines:

"You either need better lawyers,or need to make changes in your workforce."

Alexander also made dire warnings of desperate furloughed employees being recruited by the bad guys because of financial need.  What does that say about the vetting of these sensitive positions?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:51 | 4026689 Son of Captain Nemo
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+100

You done your homework. 

The one thing that ultimately finishes all empires is when their competition ain't deep in debt and are willing to make better deals than you because you refuse to part with anything.

I think we started down this path more than 10 years ago.

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:23 | 4026645 W74
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This is good.  Anyone who wants to defeat America simply has to drain us economically.  Engage in protracted war and have us up defense spending 100 times.  Who cares at this point?  With economic bankruptcy comes moral and spiritual bankruptcy, and no one is going to put up with that and contribute to helping the powers that be.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:37 | 4026681 Tegrat
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Actually all they need to do is hire a American hating prez for about 8 years. Which they already have.

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 19:42 | 4026691 jabhagsb
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How about we all take a vacation and Congress can pay for it out of their insider trading profits?

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:21 | 4026740 Golden_Rule
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400K DOD employees laid of to begin with, now all 400k are comming back.  This ain't a welfare state, this is a fucking war machine.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 03:16 | 4027218 HardlyZero
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Hmmm.  Probably for readiness.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:22 | 4026743 cbxer55
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I work at Tinker AFB as a civilian. I work as a Sheet Metal Mechanic on the Navy's E-6 fleet. All of Tinker was exempted because the aircraft we work on are "vital". The E-3, E-6. KC-135, B-1 and B-52. THe E-3 and E-6 specifically since they both have first launch missile detection capability. There are only 16 E-6 and 32 E-3 aircraft. The service's don;t like them down for long periods of time therefore. 

We received a memo yesterday that our base is funded differently than other bases, and hence as long as the money coming in was greater than the money going out, we would continue to be exempted. If that situation reversed, we would be excepted and have to work without pay until the budget was resolved.

So therefore, some of us would have continued working regardless of whether we were getting paid. Backpay would, IMHO, be understandable.

I know there is disdain on this board for us civilian goverbment employees. Just know a lot of us work and get our hands dirty working on the aircraft that serve the military. At a time when I needed a job, and no one else would even interview me, this job came about. Don't know what else I could, or should have done differently?

At least the aircraft I work on do not drop bombs or have guns. They are communication aircraft. I know in a roundabout way, they are as guilty as any other aircraft. But mostly they help keep the peace.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:37 | 4026757 Eisenhorn
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The issue isnt guys like you turning wrenches for necessary maintenance or upgrades.

The real disdain is focused on bureacratic employees at entities such as the BLS, IRS, DHS, Dept of "Education" and other useless government services. 

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:02 | 4026909 Golden_Rule
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Fuck that.  If times were different and we had a reasonable foreign policy I'd agree.  Bureaucrats aren't out killing innocent people, and obviously this guy isn't either, but he's an enabler.  Anyone willing to work for our "defense" industry or serve our military during times of unnecessary aggression is a piece of shit in my book.  Nazi soldiers and the Germans manning the factories to arm them were just doing their jobs too, just trying to put food on the table too...

 

If we're gonna have a tyrannical government the tyranny should be directed squarely at us.  The bureaucrats do that, our military does not.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 14:43 | 4027983 cbxer55
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Let me just say that the aircraft I work on are not weapons systems. They are communications aircraft. They would be out doing their thing regardless of our foreign policy. They communicate with submarines, they detect other country's misslile launches. I believe they should be doing that whether there are wars around the world, or not. Therefore maintenance on them is necessary to keep them in tip-top condition. 

I would also say that at a time I really needed a job, and applied for many across all the different fields I have been in throughout my life, ths was the only one that came through. Most of the others didn't even bother to interview me. So I took the job, and it is what I have the most experience in, aircraft work. Been doing that mostly since I graduated high school in 79. A few other odd jobs in between aircraft work thoough.

Hell, I had to fight for this job when push came to shove. They were not going to hire me due to my total loss of hearing in my right ear. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get it, as it was the only one that seemed like it was going to work out in the long run. I am paid well, but probably not as well as you think. The ones in this field who get really good pay are the desk jockies, a lot of whom probably get six figures, or close to it. I pretty much live paycheck to paycheck myself, as do a lot of the others I work with. There is the real possibility that if we did not get paid for awhile, and were still expected to show up every day, a lot of us could not as we would not have money to fuel our vehicles to get there. Where I live, I'd probably get the boot the first month I could not pay rent. And with no money left, I guess I'd have to resort to the cardboard box under the overpass. There is no one close to me who would or could help me if that occurs.

So like what I do or not, I and many of the folks I work with could end up in serious financial trouble if there is no money coming in. I do not expect or want your sympathy, just telling it like it is. More likely tban not, if things got so bad I had to live in a cardboard box, especially during the winter, I'd just as soon do a self checkout of this life. Been prepared to do that ever since late 2008 anyways. Just not sure exactly when it will be necessary. Perhaps sooner rather than later.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 20:52 | 4026794 spooz
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Your job wouldn't be there if it wasn't for our bloated military budget that does not serve the needs of our citizens.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:26 | 4026944 Kreditanstalt
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If their employer weren't out invading other countries, killing their people, disparaging their religion and seizing defacto control of their assets, neither military government employees (read: "our" troops) nor civilian military employees would have jobs at all.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:21 | 4026931 Dre4dwolf
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This is good, now we know 400,000+ workers are actually not essential.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:25 | 4026939 Kreditanstalt
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407-0?  Shame!

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:40 | 4027042 butler401
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No NOT really if you understand WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

See GUBMINT workers are the new PRAETORIAN,

All else are fucking pigs to be eaten at slaughter,

Thus the 407 elected congress passed a law, and not one of them said no, and that law said "Government employees are exempt from shutdown",

An idiot might ask, so "What does shutdown mean?", ... never mind move along,

"If your not GUBMINT worker, then you are little people" -

Blade runner

The '407' are praetorians for life, with PENSION, so they're always going to vote for those with the guns to protect their pussy white ass.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 11:24 | 4027577 Money 4 Nothing
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Main Entry: shut downFunction: verbDate: 2013 New World Order dictionary. Intransitive verb: to settle so as to obscure vision : 

close in <the night shut down early>transitive verb: to make ineffective in competition <shut down the opposition's offensive line under the guise of ineptitude>

The public sector is the new post de facto ruling class. The private sector is now the controlled masses of inconvenience. 

 

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 22:42 | 4026974 Catullus
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Will CNN take down that stupid fucking government shutdown clock? As if we need to know BY THE SECOND how long since some government employees got a fully paid vacation.

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:04 | 4027002 Atomizer
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Another 400K bled off the system. How will Reid spin the debt limit story now ? BTW Reid, we will become the cookie cutter in balancing the budget throughout the global community. As each days ticks, the bloat becomes obvious. Can you and the President ban the use of Air tomorrow. Thumbs up for trying to take over the Oceans.

/Sarc

 

Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:10 | 4027009 screw face
Sat, 10/05/2013 - 23:37 | 4027037 butler401
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I wish just once ZH would tell the truth, rather than post these putrid MSM story's, perhaps they're just 'blogger fodder', I'm not sure.

OK, so Hagel finds a new-law that lets him send everybody back to work, that new law was passed 407 to zero by the US congress, and it said "Government employees are exempt from the shutdown"

So somebody here fucking tell me who is NOT exempt from the shutdown?

Or who or what is shutdown? Nothing, ... its all fucking MSM image and distraction,...

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 08:42 | 4027392 Burticus
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The 407-0 vote shows that the one-party system's Kabuki/bukake theatre and corruption are unanimous.

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 11:26 | 4027541 Money 4 Nothing
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Search: Pentagon spend 5 billion on weapons minutes before the government shutdown..

Good link below.

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-...

 

 

Mon, 10/07/2013 - 04:33 | 4029645 Parrotile
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Once you get  past "The Total Collapse - World War 3 Guaranteed" heading - an interesting viewpoint, with interesting links too. 

Of course, the machinations might not be what the President wants - but what those pulling the strings want (i.e. a desired return on their "investment" in the Presidency)

We certainly do live in "interesting times" . . .

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 11:11 | 4027551 Fix It Again Timmy
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400,000 shmucks supporting small enclaves of American soldiers in Afghanistan who get blown up while transporting supplies to these small military bases from which other soldiers get blown up walking around on meaningless patrols around these small enclaves because that's what soldiers do.  Holy shit, have we lost our fucking minds?  Well, yes we have, but the MIC rolls on and on and the soldiers continue to get blown up because we're "fighting for our freedom".  When the dollar finally becomes worthless, this insanity will finally come to a screeching halt; it can't go on forever....

Sun, 10/06/2013 - 14:07 | 4027912 robertocarlos
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It's not much of a shutdown if everybody is still working.

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