The Letter forgot to address Warren Buffett. You don't think he's told Obama that his railway business is doing just fine transporting oil and that there is no necessity for that little "Keystone Pipeline" project?
Are the original masterminds of the conspiracy are long gone, and their heirs are bumbilng fools, or is it embarassing on purpose?
edit: on second thought, the heirarchy is built for lateral competition and vertical protetction. You don't need evil, at any level of heirarchy, when stupid ass greedy motherfuckers will suffice.
Nothing will make a damn bit of difference until the people realize they don't need government FOR ANYTHING but the elite need government for ALMOST EVERYTHING.
And what if they wanted to trigger a collapse, what if they had everything in place ready to kick into gear at a moments' notice (IMF/BIS SDRs at the ready), but lacking only an 'accidental unforeseen trigger' to Touchpaper the Bond Market, would they not be doing exactly the right thing, right now?
They will see to it that Congress will emerge as Oswald (Hegelian dialectic), that Congress is the cancer within democracy. No need to attack the Constitution when you can get the public to attack the mechanism itself, Congress...same outcome!
This is why 'Shelter In Place' is being progressively introduced into the US psyche.
Like a painting; standing close reveals only the artists' technique...Step. Back.
perhaps. I sure do sympathize with it. but is it constructive?
fact is that every "white", i.e. not controlled by any government, spot on this planet had a flag planted on it in the last two centuries
it alway amazes me how this kind of thoughts seem to originate, throughout history, mostly from the center of whatever hegemon is currently carrying the biggest stick, as if being in the center of a planetary military "storm" makes you blind to the storm itself
This is their purpose...Its like trying to tell the 'Borg' that they need to get their act together and stop assimulating the human race into their collective.
Their is no reasoning with these 'people.' This is the agenda.
There is a drive to enslave everyone under government, which promotes the survival of the enslavers at the expense of the enslaved. Just look at what's happening.
The problem is that you just have to say the word 'government' and people line up and say 'Make a slave out of me!'.
Thats the trouble with you guys, it is always about a belief system, esp. one that is ideologically based and you have no qualms about making shit up to fit your worldview...
Whereas my understanding of AGW is based on understanding the data and the science behind it. No need to make shit up...
Unless you would like to explain to us why the science is wrong.... I'll run and get some popcorn and will be right back...
Flak, I already told you, its not the science so much thats wrong, its the premise thats wrong, and the proffered solution (carbon tax, carbon credits) that is wrong.
The climate has always changed. I think we need to start thinking of the problem in terms of the environment, the ecosystem, not primarily from the perspective of climate. That means not focussing obsessively on CO2, and putting the onus on industrial polluters to clean up their act, instead of asking peasants and the poor to be the first movers. Thats without even mentioning the obvious flaws of the carbon tax/credit system.
You have faith in the interpretation of what may or may not be "science". Things labeled as "science" are not always so and interpretations are always suspect.
Indian would-be romance novel writer and 'climate scientist' MAKES UP data about 'shrinking Himilayan glaciers'?
Both the Middle Age Warm Period and Little Ice Age - massive changes in climate which predated manmade C02 - are conveniently not included in the graphs?
Temperature measurements from weather stations that were in rural areas 30 years ago, but smack dab in cities now, are counted as "climbing temperatures"?
People admit that they manipulate and cherry pick the data?
Most of the 'scientists' that 'signed' the IPCC report AREN'T educated in any area of climate science?
etc., etc. ad nauseum
Most important, for the last 15 years, as CO2 concentrations have climbed, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY AVERAGE CHANGE IN GLOBAL TEMPERATURE.
I don't know what kind of 'scientist' you think you are, but I'm an engineer. When the measured facts don't fit your theory, there's something wrong with your theory.
Climate science is to real science like government economics is to real economics.
do you sit and simply make shit up or parrot the latest Fox News talking point?
Good for you, you are an Engineer, call me when you have 20 years of research experience and have published in top-flight physics journals as I have...
What an ininformed turd you are. This is from JANUARY 2010, or almost 4 years ago. Keep up much?
"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research. In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action. ‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.’"
You can do your own research on the other points; when you find something that contradicts what I wrote, post it, you chickenshit mealymouthed issue-avoiding cretin. I don't give a flying fuck for your "credentials" - why don't you go post on 'accredited-times.com'? As I recall, it was asinine theoretical physicists who 'proved' bumblebees can't fly, and baseballs don't curve. When theoretical stuff doesn't work in the real world, engineers ignore it; otherwise, bridges and buildings fall down. You can continue to build your ivory tower of AGW belief on fairy dust and unicorn horn powder, but since YOUR CLAIMS AREN'T BEING OBSERVED, YOUR THEORY IS BULLSHIT.
What kind of research scientist would make claims based on faulty research, then after none of his theoretical claims come to pass, would denounce his critics?
I'll see your "20 years of research experience and have published in top-flight physics journal" and raise you my picture on the cover of Rolling Stone.
Familiar with it. You design your scheme, then figure out how to make people beg you to enact it.
Problem: USD is losing its status as world reserve currency (due to no longer being stable in value, nor paying interest)
Reaction: Something must be done! The world needs a world reserve currency! Won't somebody save us!
Solution: BIS steps in and presents the SDR, the bancor, Amero, whatever the marketing 'geniuses' decide. All the benefits to the Elite, in terms of controlling the world reserve currency, without any of the downside, that is, pesky middle class Americans earning and saving their wealth in said world reserve currency.
In theory you may be correct. In practice however, you forgot the one importnat consideration, above all others.
Whatever the reserve currency is - it must be defended by legal and military power and authority. As long as the US Military defends the US $$, it shall remain the reserve currency. Some may wish it were not so, but it is. Our military and especially the US Navy, are the sole guarantors of dollar reserve currency.
Agreed. All this chaos is by design. Just like this government shutdown. Blame diverting puppets dancing on TV to make it look like those "idiots" don't know what they're doing, and the small council of Luciferian Oligarchs escape blame again. This cartoon is disinfo designed to mock the idea that we are centrally controlled by Oligarchs. Don't fall for it.
Not that I give a damn about any of this, but anyone who may mistake that the Freemasons are just a bunch of good ol boys drinking beer and "do-gooding" need to understand the relationships. There are quite a bit Moar, but I don't have all day.
"Don't lump us in with the rest of the real assholes."
Straight up!
Do not forget that the original Boston Tea Party of dumping the tea into the sea was a Masonic operation. Who else is organized enough to orchestrate these kinds of revolutionary acts? It scares the heck out of the babylonians to think of the world-wide brotherhood revolting on them and placing them on the gallows for the hangman's rapture.
Many of the brethren are just as angry at these evil babylonians as the rest of you who are not afraid to voice your opinions. Soon, the King will put out the call and them babylonians will fall from the inside, thanks to many who are in the positions to blow all these Babylonians out of the water. Stay tuned, prepare, and support your local rebels!
As Tyler recently responded to a blogger that “reading comprehension is not everyone’s forte”, the last part does say “… and everyone else who secretly controls the US Government”. Hair-splitting and funny quips aside…
My takeaway is “If all these powerful and well-connected people can’t run a* country, how the hell are they going to run the world?”
If they are TBTF and TBTJ, they are TBTR (Too Big To Rule). It's time for the "RESET". Time to break up things into smaller, more manageable pieces.
* The US, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Egypt... i.e. those in 'Club Fed' and 'Club Med'.
Yep Skateboarder exactly....what we're left with today are the lunatic retards from generations of inbreeding, just take a look at one of these freaks like Sumner Redstone says it all.
Yes, monad, and Albert Pike's declaration of a need for a third world war against Islam was written about a Century and a half ago ...
Human nature has not changed much, and therefore, I agreed with most of the comments made above that the systematic destruction of the American democratic republic and its rule of law are part of an overall plan. The American economy is being systematically destroyed by politicians that are puppets following an agenda that they will not admit ... What has changed are the science and technology that enables basic human nature to be amplified to more astronomical sizes. I do not believe that anyone understood, nor now understands, where that series of scientific and technological revolutions are going ...
What should change is politics to cope with the other scientific and technological revolutions. However, that is NOT happening. Instead, the same social systems, which have been going on for thousands of years, are doing the same old things, despite the science and technology available to do those things being trillions of times more powerful and capable.
As usual, most of the comments above that denounce the ruling classes are simplistic in the ways that they ignore that there ARE chronic political problems, which are also being magnified many orders of magnitude by advancing science and technology.
Politics is applied human ecology. Its main historical manifestation was warfare, with militarism being the supreme ideology. That did not happen by accident. There were reasons why civilizations evolved in the forms that they did. Although I empathize with the psychological response of many individuals to wish that all away, the chronic political problems persist. The ruling classes provide their kinds of expedient solutions to those problems, which benefit them. However, those problems were not created by them.
The facile labels for those various evils, such as Satan, or demons, or whatever, like psychopaths or sociopaths, are oversimplifications of basic realities, which originate in the limits of the environment. Human limits develop in limited environments. Human stupidity and cruelty is nothing compared to the harshness and indifference of natural forces, which were the source of the selection pressures for the kinds of civilizations which have survived.
There is no reasonable doubt that the American system traces its roots back to Neolithic Civilization. There is no reasonable doubt that American politics is basically "Babylonian," and that various kinds of old, old religions are working through the levels of the operating ruling classes. However, the awesomely advancing science and technology is blowing those away ... ironically, by them attempting to continue to use those powers to tell the same old stupid stories, and achieve the same old stupid social manipulations.
My fond fantasy is that enough of us may survive through these processes, in order that our politics will go through profound enough paradigm shifts to reconcile that with the paradigm shifts already made in the physical sciences, including biology, and computers, etc.! The PROBLEM is that we have a human ecology which evolved through the history of warfare, which means that our REAL human ecology is operated by means of the maximum possible deceits about itself, including the current supreme fraud in the form of our monetary system.
Many of the comments above pointed out that articles like this Open Letter was relatively superficial. However, I would also point out that the slightly deeper criticisms of that are still themselves superficial, given that controls are operating through almost infinite tunnels of deceits, in which the lie is different at every level.
As I said, politics should be applied human ecology, however, since the main manifestation of that has been the history of warfare, where success depended upon deceits, we operate our REAL human ecology in ways which are runaway social insanities, where the various ruling classes are matched by those they rule over, in their degree of deliberate ignorance, due to having been selected by history to operate on the basis of the maximum possible dishonesty.
The supreme paradox continues to be that warfare was the oldest and best developed social science, but that "science" was unique in becoming the search for truth, in order to be able to tell better lies. Those paradoxes are built right into the human mental systems, as necessary aspects. Those paradoxes manifest in our political economy, where money is measurement backed by murder. Those organized systems of lies, operating organized robberies, have intense CONTRADICTIONS between better scientific measurements, coupled with them being backed up by murder systems based on deceits, where the debt controls depend on the death controls. The former tends to be talked about, while the later is only expressed through the most absurd lies possible, amplified up to the level of the clash of civilizations.
Upon this history of warfare, that made sovereign states, was built the history of the banksters, covertly taking control of the power of those states, to use state powers to legalized the banksters frauds, and back those frauds up with coercion. There is nothing all that new about that, and the people doing that can be traced back through history to the origins of Neolithic Civilization. However, the emergence of atomic energy, and so forth, are NEW, and will require outrageous transformations of political processes in order to survive.
Although I see no sane path through to actually get there, which does not first become a wild roaster coaster ride, we need to move beyond Neolithic Civilization, into some sorts of Translithic Civilization, that resolves the chronic political problems in radically different ways. Right now, the strange ways that the higher we go in the ruling classes, the further back into ancient religious attitudes we also seem to go, is one of the most extreme ways in which the relative CONTRADICTIONS between the continuity of OLD human nature, combined with astonishing novelty emerging in NEW science and technology, ARE being pumped up and up and up ...
Don't worry about the future. Technological progress is proportional to population and opportunity. Unless the Guelphes have their way the transfer of technology is going to cause exponentially progress and heretical discoveries will do the rest. Don't worry about the future. Enjoy the moments. They are irreplaceable.
they are self serving psychopaths with flawed thinking patterns and their plan will fail-but it will be brutal...
the embarassment relates to us-not them...they are winning and most people, particularly in the US, are doing nothing...Americans need to get their consitution back by any means possible...
Read "Pawns in the Game" to decide whether conspiracy is gone or not. To me it is in such full swing that only a sheep who have never picked up true history book would not see. In the past, I used to wonder why my little country's politicians don't give a shit about people. Now I understand why. It is worldwide. Also, I foudn out in my own mind that people who are happy don't do bad deeds. They don't give a shit about others and live their lives. I cannot imagine the life of these poor devils controlled by secret societies...even though they can rip off citizens, they are definitely not happy and miserable.
Pretty convenient that CIA, Goldman Sachs, and the Military Industrial complex in general, got left off the list, so that the Vril Group and Lizard people could make an appearance...
I rated this poor simply because a rating for extremely poor doesn't exist here!
Now please allow me to state the obvious: we consistently and constantly hear this bullcrap that if such heinous characters were really in control, everything would be going smoothly, as if such were ever the case in human history?
NOT. . . . . .!!!!!!!!
They sow chaos because that's the way the steal the big bucks, whether it is cornering the international chocolate market, then chaos ensues in the dominant chocolate producing country (Ivory Coast --- could be cocoa, I get the two mixed up), and the massive speculation on T-bills (Treasuries) in a thousand different processes, and the shutdown of the US government.
That is why they create major wars and small wars, and various and sundry chaotic events, orderliness has never been the way they ensure the major transfers of wealth (super-thievery) --- with the pscho greedheads, chaos always rules!
The situation is so far gone, we can only hope things will break in order to get a just society.
The vested interests are so ingrained and so pervasive that a mere reform is no longer possible.
A total break is the only saviour.
Yes because in a violent uprising, the poor and weak are always accomodated and usually prevail victorious as the most violent and criminal feel compelled to fight for their interests instead of their own....history is replete with this scenario playing out over and over again.........good luck in unicornicopia
Order out of chaos. That's been my supposition for some time. TPTB will create enough chaos that the isheeple will eventually beg for a world currency solution.
“They’re inventing enemies he (Von Braun) said, against whom they are going to build this space- based weapon system—the first of whom was the Russians which was existing at that time. Then there would be terrorists, then there would be third world countries, now we call them rogue nations or nations of concern. Then there would be asteroids.
Given that we recently had more fireballs reported in the span of 3 days than in the whole of 2012, I'm finding Rosin's words at least thought-provoking recently.
NON-violently, any other iteration is a lose_lose scenario.......tanks, artillery,planes beats 300 million untrained,uncoordinated rifles all day, everyday. The system has to crash without a shot being fired, That's a real crash.
even if you think i'm wrong which many i'm sure do, at least put aside your own american built hubris which is endemic in your culture and examine the question; what if i'm right and your guns and butter revolution fails beacuse your'e out gunned out planned out everything
Yeah, and we forgot how great life is up there in Alberta for you. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. Talk about hubris.
What do you suggest the US public do to rid themselves of tyranny? How? By voting? LOL...
Hubris is people who start wars for motives other than advertised......what were you saying when the Dub was starting a false war in Iraq, I was calling bullshit from second one, that's the difference between (colloquial) you and me.
never dodged, just talked about it enough already on many previous posts, you're free to check and will always discuss. can take all the flaming in the world doesn't really matter to me, just simply asking and "either" question to everyone else's "or" question. I'm not naive enough to think it won't go violent, just sayin in my humble opinion it won't end like "france" or any previous historical over throw of the staus quo......this is a completely new paradigm....Iraq was a training mission nothing more nothing less......the NSA is ears to the ground, not for brownies......they're for YOU....the next to challenge the staus quo....YOU.
In this particular case, I believe it is different this time....... a century long deconstruction is what a violent overthrow will take, and in the end all that will be accomplished is a new set of actors will take the place of the old because at the very end, you can't change human nature.
"I have never supported any US war from Vietnam on (I'm 52)."
Same here, except I'm 50. That means that neither of us have never supported a war that has occurred in our lifetimes. I'll bet, like me, you never supported a Government that had the ability to spend beyond what it takes in, the "Income" Tax, Social Security, etc. You know, those things that we never had a say in and don't agree with. But never the mind, they're foisted upon us anyway.
I can't give rights or money to someone else, that I don't have anyway. How other people are getting away with this is something I certainly don't understand.
"tanks, artillery,planes beats 300 million untrained,uncoordinated rifles all day, everyday."
No, bro. You are doing it wrong.
Couple things to keep in mind:
1) Your nice equipment needs multiple vendors and manhours to keep working. Look up a jets maintenance hours vs flight hours ratio
2) Next conflict will most likely not use many guns. Mostly not shipping food/energy to the northeast. DC (and Northeast) will need to come to us. Not an easy thing to do logistic wise for them.
3) Interstate highway system allows those 300million (most like a much smaller number is needed) to be in DC very very quickly. Once built, its hard to take apart.
4) Go look up army ants vs everything else in the jungle. American gun owners comprise literally the largest "standing" army in the world. Combine that with people that regularly hunt or use black rifles and its not even close.
5) The Army of the United States is mostly comprised of citizens. Citizens that might lean more conservative. Imagine a liberal general giving an order to invade a city....not so sure the grunts would do it.
I know it's going to go the way you're all saying the inevitability is ironic at this point, all i'm sayin it's BEEN planned for, gamed for, tested for ten years of counterinsurgency fighting in Iraq.
My question is:
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE PROVED WRONG?? is all.............
trust me i'm fully aware i'm in the vast minority, but that's what will be left when all is said and done
Then you may need to delve a little deeper into understanding the mindset of the people that live and work where a significant amount oil and gas is pulled out of the ground and a substational amount of food is grown.
Then you may need to delve a little deeper into understanding the mindset of the people that live and work where a significant amount oil and gas is pulled out of the ground and a substational amount of food is grown.
LOL......I'm at ground zero for North America for both, have over 1000 acres of cultivated land and live south of the plume called Alberta's "dirty" oil
Not once have i ever questioned veracity, if you think i have then you have completely misunderstood and need to delve deeper yourself. This is not about "willpower", my point has more to do with the correct expenditure of "willpower"
I get your point about Iraq and urban insurgency. But having the notes from Iraq only does so much. If you don't have the SAME SOLDIERS then much of the advantage is lost. And I am pretty sure there are a lot of Iraq veterans that don't want to go door to door killing American citizens at the behest of the Elite. So don't they cancel out the mercs, the complicit Iraq veterans, etc?
I don't think when it gets to this point it will be framed as american killing american. When it gets to that point, don't doubt for a second the entire debacle won't have fractured into many different moving parts. Ask yourself how coordinated will 300 million civilan guns be, they won't. Most of those guns will end up beinn used against one another, not together. The army then will be the arbiting force of "truth" justice etc.
In this instance, it is a salient point, unless you intend to join some kind of Canadian Expeditionary Force when the shit turns ugly.
And yes, I am fully aware of the pros/cons of being an American citizen - SE Asia (military), Central asia (the 'Stans but not a war zone - civilian) and North Africa (again, not a war zone - civilian).
Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke (26 October 1800, Parchim, Mecklenburg-Schwerin – 24 April 1891) was a German Field Marshal. The chief of staff of the Prussian Army for thirty years, he is regarded as one of the great strategists of the latter 19th century, and the creator of a new, more modern method of directing armies in the field. He is often referred to as Moltke the Elder to distinguish him from his nephew Helmuth Johann Ludwig von Moltke, who commanded the German Army at the outbreak of World War I.
A disciple of Carl von Clausewitz, whose theory of war was more an effort to grasp its essential nature ... Moltke's main thesis was that military strategy had to be understood as a system of options since only the beginning of a military operation was plannable. As a result, he considered the main task of military leaders to consist in the extensive preparation of all possible outcomes. His thesis can be summed up by two statements, one famous and one less so, translated into English as "No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength" (or "no plan survives contact with the enemy,") and "Strategy is a system of expedients."
However, as can be seen from the descriptions of his planning for the war with Austria and the war with France, his planning for war was very detailed and took into account thousands of variables. It is a mistake to think that Moltke thought war plans were of no use (which a simple reading of "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy" may indicate).
I certainly appreciate the information and expansion on the quote I provided.
It would be a mistake to even attempt a comparison of born and bred, ultra professional, dedicated warriors of the Prussian officer class to the current brood of slime ball politician "flag officers" that compose our top ranks...the Commandant of the Marine Corps being a good example of the sorry excuse for flag officers we now have. Disgusting.
The best we had have been drummed out. The junior officers know this and I have much more faith in them then the senior ranks.
I guarantee that the Syrian operation was halted just as much from rumblings in the junior officer ranks as Russian bluster. Word around the campfire is that it was just short of crisis levels and put some fear in more than a few politicians.
I don't even bother teaching Insurgency 101 anymore.
Rusty old bolt action rifles in the hands of motivated, skilled shooters are cornerstone of any successful insurgency, whether it's yesterday, today, or tomorrow.
I would say if you listen to country music there is a much better chance that you have been using firearms and killing things much longer than if you listen to rap music and have recently signed up for DHS...
Just giving someone a rifle does not mean that they have the skill or fortitude to use it.
I would tell a Yankee to field strip a deer and if you still have fight in you, bring it. If you get shaky at the knees, well, I would say go sit on the porch, put your head between your knees and sit this one out fella.
Prains....
If this is true...that 300 undisciplined rifles in the hands of us rabble is insignifigent, please explain stringent measures resorted to in order to disarm said rabble.
never discounted the effect those guns would have the damage it would inflict, just saying over the long haul, those guns will end up pointing at each other as much as pointing at the status quo. They will win eventually because they will have a more focused force to bear on the disparate parts of a civillian "army". How many americans do you think are truly prepared to go "Stalingrad" for a cause that is right, or simply melt away and look after themselves and family?????????????????????????????????????????? What would a Libertarian DO ?????
They had to shoot their own in the back to get them to fight <remember>...... and they were at least somewhat organized....can't imagine what a bunch of Libertarians will do, they first have to fight their way out of their own echo chamber and then regroup in some sort of team concept....it all sounds really wierd
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the siege aspect.
Think about who will have to shoot who to get them to fight and comply.
Think about who has more to lose and how rapidly this is growing.
Think about the complete asymmetry, then think about the scale. We aren't just talking about a few libertarians.
I think you totally misunderstand the situation.
I think you misunderstand, there will be no one to shoot anyone in the back, therefore any new stalingrad scenario is a loss to the defender(you) category. They won because there was no way out, you will lose because hide and run will be an option.
you're misinterpreting a seige as being a viable option for a rabble of disorganized cowboys with tons of bullets. once the heavy artillery starts all the cowboys will have filled their shorts with enough shit to start a farm. Then what???????????????
nobody's shooting them in the back to stay and fight, nobody's left to fight, Stalingrad 2.0 is a giant fucking runapallooza, then what???? no counter measures, no counter attack, no nuuttttin! you end up sucking donkey balls, that's what.
The revolution will come, when the army refuses to do the bidding of the rulers. That has always been the case, and this will be so in the future.
It was close with Obama wanting to fight Syria. He got scared by the prospect, no doubt, because when people generally realize that the police and the army will not be loyal, it is game over.
Any command or flag officer (not a political appointee) worth his salt will correctly realize that to wage combat logistics and communications are often time more important than rifles and bullets.
Communications and battlespace awareness is a large force multiplier.
I would guess that our military would be challenged in that regard in a blitzkreig scenario.
Also, Locking down DC and northeast to turtle up is a formula for failure as they need the food and energy. Country boys already have these...
Was looking through the 'letters' section of my local paper today and found the 'mainstream discourse' so unbearably ignorant and partisan that I suspect this sentiment is all too correct. The brainwashing has been successful and the consequences are dire.
Keep in mind that you were reading a newspaper. They want the polarization either for political purposes or because it's "exciting." I actually overheard three strangers discussing the shutdown the other day, and while that's admittedly a small sample size, one blamed Republicans, one blamed Democrats, and one blamed both.
The guy who blamed both saw the big picture, and he was doing a good job of convincing the other two he was right. It made me think we might be making headway.
I haven't bought a newspaper in years, and I do not own a tv. The Wall Street journal is still readable though. Most thinking people select a varied set of Internet sites like ZH, etc. and use their own eyes in the real world. As well as google or dogpile select news topics and talk with intelligent friends to form intelligent opinions.
The Letter forgot to address Warren Buffett. You don't think he's told Obama that his railway business is doing just fine transporting oil and that there is no necessity for that little "Keystone Pipeline" project?
Bought and Paid.
Are the original masterminds of the conspiracy are long gone, and their heirs are bumbilng fools, or is it embarassing on purpose?
edit: on second thought, the heirarchy is built for lateral competition and vertical protetction. You don't need evil, at any level of heirarchy, when stupid ass greedy motherfuckers will suffice.
You know it's bad when you have to go behind the President's back to get help......not that those guys actually exist.
MIC? NSA? CIA? The Jews?
Creedence Clearwater....
Nothing will make a damn bit of difference until the people realize they don't need government FOR ANYTHING but the elite need government for ALMOST EVERYTHING.
Comment of the day! +50
Very good, but he left off the key element: Satan!
And what if they wanted to trigger a collapse, what if they had everything in place ready to kick into gear at a moments' notice (IMF/BIS SDRs at the ready), but lacking only an 'accidental unforeseen trigger' to Touchpaper the Bond Market, would they not be doing exactly the right thing, right now?
They will see to it that Congress will emerge as Oswald (Hegelian dialectic), that Congress is the cancer within democracy. No need to attack the Constitution when you can get the public to attack the mechanism itself, Congress...same outcome!
This is why 'Shelter In Place' is being progressively introduced into the US psyche.
Like a painting; standing close reveals only the artists' technique...Step. Back.
http://twoshortplanksunplugged.blogspot.com.au/
agreed.. excellent comment
perhaps. I sure do sympathize with it. but is it constructive?
fact is that every "white", i.e. not controlled by any government, spot on this planet had a flag planted on it in the last two centuries
it alway amazes me how this kind of thoughts seem to originate, throughout history, mostly from the center of whatever hegemon is currently carrying the biggest stick, as if being in the center of a planetary military "storm" makes you blind to the storm itself
'Can you please get your shit together?'
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Ummm, I dont think the letter writer understand that 'they' do have their shit together - thats why the masses are suffering.
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They are honouring and worshipping their 'god' by lying, perverting and destroying -
nations,
religions,
genders,
and
families.
Divide and conquer.
Order out of chaos.
Understand the meaning of those two phrases and you will understand pretty much the entire Modus Operandi.
Exactly Herd...
Divide & Conquer
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This is their purpose...Its like trying to tell the 'Borg' that they need to get their act together and stop assimulating the human race into their collective.
Their is no reasoning with these 'people.' This is the agenda.
Not for nothing is called
Washington DC <----------
Devil Central
Actually, Demon Central works really well. The original meaning of Demon (in old Greek) is one who divides the spoils.
Ah, a VC (Vulture Capitalist)!
It's not an agenda, it's an innate behavior.
There is a drive to enslave everyone under government, which promotes the survival of the enslavers at the expense of the enslaved. Just look at what's happening.
The problem is that you just have to say the word 'government' and people line up and say 'Make a slave out of me!'.
Oi. Which is why I am popping more pop corn, cracking open a cold refreshing beverage and waiting for peak divide & conquer.
That's when the festivities begin.
Peak Oil
Peak Central Banks
Peak <insert entity, commodity, what have you, here>
Now Peak Divide and Conquer
I love ZH and its army of misfits...some of the smartest people I know!
DaddyO
You clearly don't get out very often...
So are you saying your not that smart?
DaddyO
He believes in AGW, what do you think?
Thats the trouble with you guys, it is always about a belief system, esp. one that is ideologically based and you have no qualms about making shit up to fit your worldview...
Whereas my understanding of AGW is based on understanding the data and the science behind it. No need to make shit up...
Unless you would like to explain to us why the science is wrong.... I'll run and get some popcorn and will be right back...
Flak, I already told you, its not the science so much thats wrong, its the premise thats wrong, and the proffered solution (carbon tax, carbon credits) that is wrong.
The climate has always changed. I think we need to start thinking of the problem in terms of the environment, the ecosystem, not primarily from the perspective of climate. That means not focussing obsessively on CO2, and putting the onus on industrial polluters to clean up their act, instead of asking peasants and the poor to be the first movers. Thats without even mentioning the obvious flaws of the carbon tax/credit system.
Sorry, I don't do concern trolling...
And show me where I mentioned anything here about policy. I stick to the science....
Then why are you discussing religion?
Sorry, but you got me confused with the other guy as I don't do the faith-based circuit...
You have faith in the interpretation of what may or may not be "science". Things labeled as "science" are not always so and interpretations are always suspect.
It's not my fault that you cannot tell difference...
I'll give you a hint, if it is in blog that is partially funded by fossil fuel interests, it is likely not peer-reviewable science...
Would that be the "science" where:
Most important, for the last 15 years, as CO2 concentrations have climbed, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY AVERAGE CHANGE IN GLOBAL TEMPERATURE.
I don't know what kind of 'scientist' you think you are, but I'm an engineer. When the measured facts don't fit your theory, there's something wrong with your theory.
Climate science is to real science like government economics is to real economics.
Ignoring water vapor's role in the atmosphere...
They talk a lot about carbon, not much about water vapor.
It is because of WV being a feedback not a forcing...
What would happen if you somehow removed all C02 from the atmosphere? What would happen to the WV?
Do you even have a clue? (and don't be a smart ass and say the plants would die)....
You can start here
http://www.skepticalscience.com/water-vapor-greenhouse-gas.htm
and if you feel up to it
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/04/water-vapour-feedback-or-forcing/
Frank,
do you sit and simply make shit up or parrot the latest Fox News talking point?
Good for you, you are an Engineer, call me when you have 20 years of research experience and have published in top-flight physics journals as I have...
What an ininformed turd you are. This is from JANUARY 2010, or almost 4 years ago. Keep up much?
"The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research. In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action. ‘It had importance for the region, so we thought we should put it in.’"
You can do your own research on the other points; when you find something that contradicts what I wrote, post it, you chickenshit mealymouthed issue-avoiding cretin. I don't give a flying fuck for your "credentials" - why don't you go post on 'accredited-times.com'? As I recall, it was asinine theoretical physicists who 'proved' bumblebees can't fly, and baseballs don't curve. When theoretical stuff doesn't work in the real world, engineers ignore it; otherwise, bridges and buildings fall down. You can continue to build your ivory tower of AGW belief on fairy dust and unicorn horn powder, but since YOUR CLAIMS AREN'T BEING OBSERVED, YOUR THEORY IS BULLSHIT.
What kind of research scientist would make claims based on faulty research, then after none of his theoretical claims come to pass, would denounce his critics?
Answer: a poor one
I'll see your "20 years of research experience and have published in top-flight physics journal" and raise you my picture on the cover of Rolling Stone.
Peak pussy. Now that oughta make ya' cry!
WTF is 'AGW'?
Atheists Gone Wild?
Anthrogenic Global Warming, but I like yours better! :>D
"Understand the meaning of those two phrases and you will understand pretty much the entire Modus Operandi."
Howdy Herd.
Please add the Hegelian Dialectic to the process, and then you have the formula for destroying nations and worlds.
Problem Reaction Solution
Thesis Antithesis Synthesis
Familiar with it. You design your scheme, then figure out how to make people beg you to enact it.
Problem: USD is losing its status as world reserve currency (due to no longer being stable in value, nor paying interest)
Reaction: Something must be done! The world needs a world reserve currency! Won't somebody save us!
Solution: BIS steps in and presents the SDR, the bancor, Amero, whatever the marketing 'geniuses' decide. All the benefits to the Elite, in terms of controlling the world reserve currency, without any of the downside, that is, pesky middle class Americans earning and saving their wealth in said world reserve currency.
In theory you may be correct. In practice however, you forgot the one importnat consideration, above all others.
Whatever the reserve currency is - it must be defended by legal and military power and authority. As long as the US Military defends the US $$, it shall remain the reserve currency. Some may wish it were not so, but it is. Our military and especially the US Navy, are the sole guarantors of dollar reserve currency.
All other discussions are meaningless.
Agreed. All this chaos is by design. Just like this government shutdown. Blame diverting puppets dancing on TV to make it look like those "idiots" don't know what they're doing, and the small council of Luciferian Oligarchs escape blame again. This cartoon is disinfo designed to mock the idea that we are centrally controlled by Oligarchs. Don't fall for it.
Its should be to:
TO: The People of the World
Can you please wake-up from your slumber?
We need all of your help - against them (Freemasons, Illuminati, Royal Bloodlines, etc...)
Signed,
the awakened ones/independent thinkers
Don't lump us in with the rest of the real assholes.
Unfortunately, the Freemasons and skull and bones are related: http://www.academia.edu/3557296/The_Symbol_of_the_Skull_and_Crossbones_and_Its_Masonic_Application
You will also find that they are involved with Mormonism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry
in addition, there is a connection to Templars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)
Not that I give a damn about any of this, but anyone who may mistake that the Freemasons are just a bunch of good ol boys drinking beer and "do-gooding" need to understand the relationships. There are quite a bit Moar, but I don't have all day.
"Don't lump us in with the rest of the real assholes."
Straight up!
Do not forget that the original Boston Tea Party of dumping the tea into the sea was a Masonic operation. Who else is organized enough to orchestrate these kinds of revolutionary acts? It scares the heck out of the babylonians to think of the world-wide brotherhood revolting on them and placing them on the gallows for the hangman's rapture.
Many of the brethren are just as angry at these evil babylonians as the rest of you who are not afraid to voice your opinions. Soon, the King will put out the call and them babylonians will fall from the inside, thanks to many who are in the positions to blow all these Babylonians out of the water. Stay tuned, prepare, and support your local rebels!
Indeed. Anyone who lumps the Blue Lodge style Freemasons in with the Illuminati is a moron.
dontgoforit
Read no further than SMG's comment. The bare truth.
@HH: "MIC? NSA? CIA? The Jews?"
As Tyler recently responded to a blogger that “reading comprehension is not everyone’s forte”, the last part does say “… and everyone else who secretly controls the US Government”. Hair-splitting and funny quips aside…
My takeaway is “If all these powerful and well-connected people can’t run a* country, how the hell are they going to run the world?”
If they are TBTF and TBTJ, they are TBTR (Too Big To Rule). It's time for the "RESET". Time to break up things into smaller, more manageable pieces.
* The US, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, Egypt... i.e. those in 'Club Fed' and 'Club Med'.
Yep Skateboarder exactly....what we're left with today are the lunatic retards from generations of inbreeding, just take a look at one of these freaks like Sumner Redstone says it all.
Just remember that the Balfour Declaration preceded the allegations of a Jewish Holocaust by 27 years.
Yes, monad, and Albert Pike's declaration of a need for a third world war against Islam was written about a Century and a half ago ...
Human nature has not changed much, and therefore, I agreed with most of the comments made above that the systematic destruction of the American democratic republic and its rule of law are part of an overall plan. The American economy is being systematically destroyed by politicians that are puppets following an agenda that they will not admit ... What has changed are the science and technology that enables basic human nature to be amplified to more astronomical sizes. I do not believe that anyone understood, nor now understands, where that series of scientific and technological revolutions are going ...
What should change is politics to cope with the other scientific and technological revolutions. However, that is NOT happening. Instead, the same social systems, which have been going on for thousands of years, are doing the same old things, despite the science and technology available to do those things being trillions of times more powerful and capable.
As usual, most of the comments above that denounce the ruling classes are simplistic in the ways that they ignore that there ARE chronic political problems, which are also being magnified many orders of magnitude by advancing science and technology.
Politics is applied human ecology. Its main historical manifestation was warfare, with militarism being the supreme ideology. That did not happen by accident. There were reasons why civilizations evolved in the forms that they did. Although I empathize with the psychological response of many individuals to wish that all away, the chronic political problems persist. The ruling classes provide their kinds of expedient solutions to those problems, which benefit them. However, those problems were not created by them.
The facile labels for those various evils, such as Satan, or demons, or whatever, like psychopaths or sociopaths, are oversimplifications of basic realities, which originate in the limits of the environment. Human limits develop in limited environments. Human stupidity and cruelty is nothing compared to the harshness and indifference of natural forces, which were the source of the selection pressures for the kinds of civilizations which have survived.
There is no reasonable doubt that the American system traces its roots back to Neolithic Civilization. There is no reasonable doubt that American politics is basically "Babylonian," and that various kinds of old, old religions are working through the levels of the operating ruling classes. However, the awesomely advancing science and technology is blowing those away ... ironically, by them attempting to continue to use those powers to tell the same old stupid stories, and achieve the same old stupid social manipulations.
My fond fantasy is that enough of us may survive through these processes, in order that our politics will go through profound enough paradigm shifts to reconcile that with the paradigm shifts already made in the physical sciences, including biology, and computers, etc.! The PROBLEM is that we have a human ecology which evolved through the history of warfare, which means that our REAL human ecology is operated by means of the maximum possible deceits about itself, including the current supreme fraud in the form of our monetary system.
Many of the comments above pointed out that articles like this Open Letter was relatively superficial. However, I would also point out that the slightly deeper criticisms of that are still themselves superficial, given that controls are operating through almost infinite tunnels of deceits, in which the lie is different at every level.
As I said, politics should be applied human ecology, however, since the main manifestation of that has been the history of warfare, where success depended upon deceits, we operate our REAL human ecology in ways which are runaway social insanities, where the various ruling classes are matched by those they rule over, in their degree of deliberate ignorance, due to having been selected by history to operate on the basis of the maximum possible dishonesty.
The supreme paradox continues to be that warfare was the oldest and best developed social science, but that "science" was unique in becoming the search for truth, in order to be able to tell better lies. Those paradoxes are built right into the human mental systems, as necessary aspects. Those paradoxes manifest in our political economy, where money is measurement backed by murder. Those organized systems of lies, operating organized robberies, have intense CONTRADICTIONS between better scientific measurements, coupled with them being backed up by murder systems based on deceits, where the debt controls depend on the death controls. The former tends to be talked about, while the later is only expressed through the most absurd lies possible, amplified up to the level of the clash of civilizations.
Upon this history of warfare, that made sovereign states, was built the history of the banksters, covertly taking control of the power of those states, to use state powers to legalized the banksters frauds, and back those frauds up with coercion. There is nothing all that new about that, and the people doing that can be traced back through history to the origins of Neolithic Civilization. However, the emergence of atomic energy, and so forth, are NEW, and will require outrageous transformations of political processes in order to survive.
Although I see no sane path through to actually get there, which does not first become a wild roaster coaster ride, we need to move beyond Neolithic Civilization, into some sorts of Translithic Civilization, that resolves the chronic political problems in radically different ways. Right now, the strange ways that the higher we go in the ruling classes, the further back into ancient religious attitudes we also seem to go, is one of the most extreme ways in which the relative CONTRADICTIONS between the continuity of OLD human nature, combined with astonishing novelty emerging in NEW science and technology, ARE being pumped up and up and up ...
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to sign up for your newletter.
Don't worry about the future. Technological progress is proportional to population and opportunity. Unless the Guelphes have their way the transfer of technology is going to cause exponentially progress and heretical discoveries will do the rest. Don't worry about the future. Enjoy the moments. They are irreplaceable.
Illuminatus! History is Fiction
they are self serving psychopaths with flawed thinking patterns and their plan will fail-but it will be brutal...
the embarassment relates to us-not them...they are winning and most people, particularly in the US, are doing nothing...Americans need to get their consitution back by any means possible...
Read "Pawns in the Game" to decide whether conspiracy is gone or not. To me it is in such full swing that only a sheep who have never picked up true history book would not see. In the past, I used to wonder why my little country's politicians don't give a shit about people. Now I understand why. It is worldwide. Also, I foudn out in my own mind that people who are happy don't do bad deeds. They don't give a shit about others and live their lives. I cannot imagine the life of these poor devils controlled by secret societies...even though they can rip off citizens, they are definitely not happy and miserable.
Cold blooded.
Possessed.
Words that have been used to describe the type of person we are talking about.
Did Becky Quick approve this message?
Oh, not that 'bought and paid'
My apologies
Warren likes it when she shakes her head back and forth no.....for reasons I'm sure you all can figure out.
Also should begin with "The Honorable"
No, they forgot to address the message to the true rulers of the world: Goldman Sachs
Pretty convenient that CIA, Goldman Sachs, and the Military Industrial complex in general, got left off the list, so that the Vril Group and Lizard people could make an appearance...
I rated this poor simply because a rating for extremely poor doesn't exist here!
Now please allow me to state the obvious: we consistently and constantly hear this bullcrap that if such heinous characters were really in control, everything would be going smoothly, as if such were ever the case in human history?
NOT. . . . . .!!!!!!!!
They sow chaos because that's the way the steal the big bucks, whether it is cornering the international chocolate market, then chaos ensues in the dominant chocolate producing country (Ivory Coast --- could be cocoa, I get the two mixed up), and the massive speculation on T-bills (Treasuries) in a thousand different processes, and the shutdown of the US government.
That is why they create major wars and small wars, and various and sundry chaotic events, orderliness has never been the way they ensure the major transfers of wealth (super-thievery) --- with the pscho greedheads, chaos always rules!
And to think those inbred slobbering morons control the US military.
Arrest them.
Tyler(s)!
You are just begging for more anti-Semite / conspiracy stuff.....
The MSM is certainly on board.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-06/gold-befuddles-bernanke-as-central-banks-losses-at-545-billion.html
"...U.S. holdings of 8,133.5 tons, valued at $344.2 billion and accounting for 72 percent of total reserves, are the world’s largest....."
Yeah, it's all there in those vaults, right ?
Giant note saying "Jokes on you!"? Yeah, that's there...
I forsee a pay per view special hosted by Geraldo Rivera...
Oh, I posit it's there, whatever's not re-hypoticated, but the note says: "If found, please call rightful owner at 1-800-FED-RESV, Thanks. signed FDR"
"Giant note saying "Jokes on you!"? Yeah, that's there..."
It says "IOU 8133.5 tons of gold" Signed Richard Nixon, Robert Vesco and Bebe Rebozo.
IM HERE!! WHERES FS?
Down in his mom's basement polishing his Hitler Youth dagger......if ya' know what I mean.
? Ad hominem. Does nothing to refute the facts FS would post on ZH.
I downarrowed myself for this post. The peer pressure got to me.
@ kito
Hypothecated?
the opposite. bailed in.
The situation is so far gone, we can only hope things will break in order to get a just society.
The vested interests are so ingrained and so pervasive that a mere reform is no longer possible.
A total break is the only saviour.
Yes because in a violent uprising, the poor and weak are always accomodated and usually prevail victorious as the most violent and criminal feel compelled to fight for their interests instead of their own....history is replete with this scenario playing out over and over again.........good luck in unicornicopia
France before or after the revolution?
USA before or after the break with the UK?
Many other places have just needed the ruling class removed, just as we do today.
It will come.
Remember the guillotine!
heavy heavy sarc! ;-)
Can't rebuild unless we first have a collapse.
As a side note, this "letter" assumes the powers-that-be have lost control. What's to say chaos isn't part of the plan? Problem, reaction, solution?
Ordo ab chao, bitchez.
Order out of chaos. That's been my supposition for some time. TPTB will create enough chaos that the isheeple will eventually beg for a world currency solution.
Given that we recently had more fireballs reported in the span of 3 days than in the whole of 2012, I'm finding Rosin's words at least thought-provoking recently.
Yes the system has to crash:
NON-violently, any other iteration is a lose_lose scenario.......tanks, artillery,planes beats 300 million untrained,uncoordinated rifles all day, everyday. The system has to crash without a shot being fired, That's a real crash.
even if you think i'm wrong which many i'm sure do, at least put aside your own american built hubris which is endemic in your culture and examine the question; what if i'm right and your guns and butter revolution fails beacuse your'e out gunned out planned out everything
"tanks, artillery,planes ..."
The vast majority of the manpower to operate those things lives off-post; just sayin'.
Yeah, and we forgot how great life is up there in Alberta for you. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. Talk about hubris.
What do you suggest the US public do to rid themselves of tyranny? How? By voting? LOL...
Talked about it on many posts in the past.
Hubris is people who start wars for motives other than advertised......what were you saying when the Dub was starting a false war in Iraq, I was calling bullshit from second one, that's the difference between (colloquial) you and me.
I have never supported any US war from Vietnam on (I'm 52). Nice dodge on the question too.
never dodged, just talked about it enough already on many previous posts, you're free to check and will always discuss. can take all the flaming in the world doesn't really matter to me, just simply asking and "either" question to everyone else's "or" question. I'm not naive enough to think it won't go violent, just sayin in my humble opinion it won't end like "france" or any previous historical over throw of the staus quo......this is a completely new paradigm....Iraq was a training mission nothing more nothing less......the NSA is ears to the ground, not for brownies......they're for YOU....the next to challenge the staus quo....YOU.
In this particular case, I believe it is different this time....... a century long deconstruction is what a violent overthrow will take, and in the end all that will be accomplished is a new set of actors will take the place of the old because at the very end, you can't change human nature.
"I have never supported any US war from Vietnam on (I'm 52)."
Same here, except I'm 50. That means that neither of us have never supported a war that has occurred in our lifetimes. I'll bet, like me, you never supported a Government that had the ability to spend beyond what it takes in, the "Income" Tax, Social Security, etc. You know, those things that we never had a say in and don't agree with. But never the mind, they're foisted upon us anyway.
I can't give rights or money to someone else, that I don't have anyway. How other people are getting away with this is something I certainly don't understand.
"tanks, artillery,planes beats 300 million untrained,uncoordinated rifles all day, everyday."
No, bro. You are doing it wrong.
Couple things to keep in mind:
1) Your nice equipment needs multiple vendors and manhours to keep working. Look up a jets maintenance hours vs flight hours ratio
2) Next conflict will most likely not use many guns. Mostly not shipping food/energy to the northeast. DC (and Northeast) will need to come to us. Not an easy thing to do logistic wise for them.
3) Interstate highway system allows those 300million (most like a much smaller number is needed) to be in DC very very quickly. Once built, its hard to take apart.
4) Go look up army ants vs everything else in the jungle. American gun owners comprise literally the largest "standing" army in the world. Combine that with people that regularly hunt or use black rifles and its not even close.
5) The Army of the United States is mostly comprised of citizens. Citizens that might lean more conservative. Imagine a liberal general giving an order to invade a city....not so sure the grunts would do it.
Hunting season is right around the corner.
Dudes and Dudettes
I know it's going to go the way you're all saying the inevitability is ironic at this point, all i'm sayin it's BEEN planned for, gamed for, tested for ten years of counterinsurgency fighting in Iraq.
My question is:
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE PROVED WRONG?? is all.............
trust me i'm fully aware i'm in the vast minority, but that's what will be left when all is said and done
Then you may need to delve a little deeper into understanding the mindset of the people that live and work where a significant amount oil and gas is pulled out of the ground and a substational amount of food is grown.
Then you may need to delve a little deeper into understanding the mindset of the people that live and work where a significant amount oil and gas is pulled out of the ground and a substational amount of food is grown.
LOL......I'm at ground zero for North America for both, have over 1000 acres of cultivated land and live south of the plume called Alberta's "dirty" oil
Not once have i ever questioned veracity, if you think i have then you have completely misunderstood and need to delve deeper yourself. This is not about "willpower", my point has more to do with the correct expenditure of "willpower"
I get your point about Iraq and urban insurgency. But having the notes from Iraq only does so much. If you don't have the SAME SOLDIERS then much of the advantage is lost. And I am pretty sure there are a lot of Iraq veterans that don't want to go door to door killing American citizens at the behest of the Elite. So don't they cancel out the mercs, the complicit Iraq veterans, etc?
I don't think when it gets to this point it will be framed as american killing american. When it gets to that point, don't doubt for a second the entire debacle won't have fractured into many different moving parts. Ask yourself how coordinated will 300 million civilan guns be, they won't. Most of those guns will end up beinn used against one another, not together. The army then will be the arbiting force of "truth" justice etc.
But, you're not an American.
exactly my point, believe it or not that has it's advantages
In this instance, it is a salient point, unless you intend to join some kind of Canadian Expeditionary Force when the shit turns ugly.
And yes, I am fully aware of the pros/cons of being an American citizen - SE Asia (military), Central asia (the 'Stans but not a war zone - civilian) and North Africa (again, not a war zone - civilian).
No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.
Colin Powell
I would add that this is double plus true when said enemy is imbedded with you.
Which is why the strategy is more important than operations or tactics.
And why you know to jump ship when the "leadership" come up with some strategy which is either inane, or, a tactic not a strategy.
Great quote, but...
Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke (26 October 1800, Parchim, Mecklenburg-Schwerin – 24 April 1891) was a German Field Marshal. The chief of staff of the Prussian Army for thirty years, he is regarded as one of the great strategists of the latter 19th century, and the creator of a new, more modern method of directing armies in the field. He is often referred to as Moltke the Elder to distinguish him from his nephew Helmuth Johann Ludwig von Moltke, who commanded the German Army at the outbreak of World War I.
A disciple of Carl von Clausewitz, whose theory of war was more an effort to grasp its essential nature ... Moltke's main thesis was that military strategy had to be understood as a system of options since only the beginning of a military operation was plannable. As a result, he considered the main task of military leaders to consist in the extensive preparation of all possible outcomes. His thesis can be summed up by two statements, one famous and one less so, translated into English as "No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength" (or "no plan survives contact with the enemy,") and "Strategy is a system of expedients."
However, as can be seen from the descriptions of his planning for the war with Austria and the war with France, his planning for war was very detailed and took into account thousands of variables. It is a mistake to think that Moltke thought war plans were of no use (which a simple reading of "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy" may indicate).
Hmmm ... OODA Loop?
I certainly appreciate the information and expansion on the quote I provided.
It would be a mistake to even attempt a comparison of born and bred, ultra professional, dedicated warriors of the Prussian officer class to the current brood of slime ball politician "flag officers" that compose our top ranks...the Commandant of the Marine Corps being a good example of the sorry excuse for flag officers we now have. Disgusting.
The best we had have been drummed out. The junior officers know this and I have much more faith in them then the senior ranks.
I guarantee that the Syrian operation was halted just as much from rumblings in the junior officer ranks as Russian bluster. Word around the campfire is that it was just short of crisis levels and put some fear in more than a few politicians.
I don't even bother teaching Insurgency 101 anymore.
Rusty old bolt action rifles in the hands of motivated, skilled shooters are cornerstone of any successful insurgency, whether it's yesterday, today, or tomorrow.
I would say if you listen to country music there is a much better chance that you have been using firearms and killing things much longer than if you listen to rap music and have recently signed up for DHS...
Just giving someone a rifle does not mean that they have the skill or fortitude to use it.
I would tell a Yankee to field strip a deer and if you still have fight in you, bring it. If you get shaky at the knees, well, I would say go sit on the porch, put your head between your knees and sit this one out fella.
Don't forget battlefield upgrades for all my bitchez!!!!
if you're so inclined, you could always just lay on the ground with a paper bag over your head, not that it would help.
Afghanistan
4th/5th generatrion warfare
supply lines, especially in fly-over and out west
It'll be the Brownshir... I mean DHS that pulls this shit, not the US Military.
Prains....
If this is true...that 300 undisciplined rifles in the hands of us rabble is insignifigent, please explain stringent measures resorted to in order to disarm said rabble.
never discounted the effect those guns would have the damage it would inflict, just saying over the long haul, those guns will end up pointing at each other as much as pointing at the status quo. They will win eventually because they will have a more focused force to bear on the disparate parts of a civillian "army". How many americans do you think are truly prepared to go "Stalingrad" for a cause that is right, or simply melt away and look after themselves and family?????????????????????????????????????????? What would a Libertarian DO ?????
We are going Stalingrad anyway!
They had to shoot their own in the back to get them to fight <remember>...... and they were at least somewhat organized....can't imagine what a bunch of Libertarians will do, they first have to fight their way out of their own echo chamber and then regroup in some sort of team concept....it all sounds really wierd
I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the siege aspect.
Think about who will have to shoot who to get them to fight and comply.
Think about who has more to lose and how rapidly this is growing.
Think about the complete asymmetry, then think about the scale. We aren't just talking about a few libertarians.
I think you totally misunderstand the situation.
I think you misunderstand, there will be no one to shoot anyone in the back, therefore any new stalingrad scenario is a loss to the defender(you) category. They won because there was no way out, you will lose because hide and run will be an option.
you're misinterpreting a seige as being a viable option for a rabble of disorganized cowboys with tons of bullets. once the heavy artillery starts all the cowboys will have filled their shorts with enough shit to start a farm. Then what???????????????
nobody's shooting them in the back to stay and fight, nobody's left to fight, Stalingrad 2.0 is a giant fucking runapallooza, then what???? no counter measures, no counter attack, no nuuttttin! you end up sucking donkey balls, that's what.
The revolution will come, when the army refuses to do the bidding of the rulers. That has always been the case, and this will be so in the future.
It was close with Obama wanting to fight Syria. He got scared by the prospect, no doubt, because when people generally realize that the police and the army will not be loyal, it is game over.
We are closer than most people think.
Any command or flag officer (not a political appointee) worth his salt will correctly realize that to wage combat logistics and communications are often time more important than rifles and bullets.
Communications and battlespace awareness is a large force multiplier.
I would guess that our military would be challenged in that regard in a blitzkreig scenario.
Also, Locking down DC and northeast to turtle up is a formula for failure as they need the food and energy. Country boys already have these...
"The situation is so far gone..."
Was looking through the 'letters' section of my local paper today and found the 'mainstream discourse' so unbearably ignorant and partisan that I suspect this sentiment is all too correct. The brainwashing has been successful and the consequences are dire.
Keep in mind that you were reading a newspaper. They want the polarization either for political purposes or because it's "exciting." I actually overheard three strangers discussing the shutdown the other day, and while that's admittedly a small sample size, one blamed Republicans, one blamed Democrats, and one blamed both.
The guy who blamed both saw the big picture, and he was doing a good job of convincing the other two he was right. It made me think we might be making headway.
Hard to turn my back on 'hopeful'. I'd rather you be right.
I haven't bought a newspaper in years, and I do not own a tv. The Wall Street journal is still readable though. Most thinking people select a varied set of Internet sites like ZH, etc. and use their own eyes in the real world. As well as google or dogpile select news topics and talk with intelligent friends to form intelligent opinions.
Yeah, I was checking the online version. Just check in now and again.
The NSA will not be down with the 'total break' scenario...
The cake isn't ready yet. Wait till you taste the final product before you call the cook an idiot.
second that!
in all fairness, none wants sheeps in charge ... although they probably deserve a better treatment
The sheep get what they are made for: Sheering.
XKCD rocks!
Especially when I understand the cartoons.
P.S. You're goin' down.
@A Concerned Citizen
Their "shit" is taking your goodies and leaving you as a bag holder. Looks like their doing pretty good right now.
He forgot -> PS: FUCK YOU BERNANKE!
technically that should be a CC;
Why isn't the Squid named? Or are they just the parent of all the other orgs?
You gotta think WAY ahead when the squid is involved. They probably wrote the letter.
The Octopus
Nice note.
Problem is - TPTB could give two shits.
This is EXACTLY what those band of cunts want.
the fucks....
Wot no Rosicrucians?
Too late ........Shits about to hit the fan. TAKE COVER and get all the water,food and commodities you can.
Read the WRITING on the WALL .
Pro tip. It's not Lizard people. It's Lazard people.
Reptilians. Jeez.
lol...or the Lazard people are the lizard people in disguise...
Are they also shape shifters like Bush Jr?
It starts by looking in a mirror.
I looked in the mirror. The dude said "bong rip?" I replied, "sure!"
Missed Big Pharma, Monsanto and Disney, programmer of children.
that list could go on & on ...