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Bonds Now Expecting Worse Debt Ceiling Confrontation Than August 2011, Stocks - Not So Much

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Amid the bluster of yet another press conference, equity markets chopped around jerking up and down 5 points at a time for the S&P 500. But one market, the Treasury Market, went only one way. While it is all too easy to watch the tickers and listen to the glib bloviation of any and all talking head exclaiming that there is no-way, zero-chance, totally unlikely, impossible that the US government would technically default - the Treasury-Bill market is less confident (10/17s +8.5bps to 22.5bps, 10/31s +7.5bps to 23.5bps). In fact, the T-Bill yield has now spiked massively more than during the 2011 Debt-Ceiling debate (and stocks - for now - have not).

 

T-Bill yields are blowing out today

 

and are now dramatically worse than during the 2011 debt ceiling debacle...

 

and please don't make the mistake of thinking that a 25bps 1-month yield is small and that the odds are therefore tiny... that is incorrect. The Treasury note will be repaid at some point (since the US will need to pay if it delays payment or risk the entire Treasuru complex collapse); this is merely a reflection of a discounting of 'When' that payment is made and a market that is growing more skittish at the "safety" of holding short-term money in bills. Bear in mind that current 1-month yields are the same as 18-month yields were 2 weeks ago before the debt-ceiling debacle began.

 

And do not forget what happened last time.

 

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:39 | 4033730 LawsofPhysics
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Considering i) the unfunded liabilities of the U.S., ii) the fact that we have a "debt is money" system, and the size of the sovereign bond market in question, this issue can not be easily dismissed.

 

Tick tock motherfuckers.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:49 | 4033772 nope-1004
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Obama said in April of 2009, "now is a good time to buy stocks".  He also said last week about the debt ceiling negotiations, "this time is not like all the other times".

 

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 11:04 | 4033828 adr
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Now we know that was code for:

We ain't gonna prosecute, we ain't gonna look at your books, we gonna give you free money. So buy the shit outta those stocks cause we ain't gonna mark to market either. Those liabilities gonna be assets, and yo valuations gonna double off nothin.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 13:58 | 4034548 negative rates
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So who wants to play cops and robbers?

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:48 | 4033776 Headbanger
Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:56 | 4033804 LawsofPhysics
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Allow me to provide some counterpoint to your point;

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/tot_operation_schedule.html

 

 

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 11:03 | 4033833 asteroids
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Hitler clearly sees the future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ka7bM90O0

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 11:45 | 4033972 midtowng
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Higher interest rates: why should the markets be worried about that?

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:38 | 4033739 Glass Seagull
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Maria Bartiromo would remind you that this is great news for stocks, as that fresh Tbill money has to go "somewhere." 

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:42 | 4033744 LawsofPhysics
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Right, who is the Federal Reserve selling to again?  This statement seems rather inconsistent with this;

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/tot_operation_schedule.html

 

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 11:01 | 4033810 Shizzmoney
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RE

Maria Bartiromo would remind you that this is great news for stocks, as that fresh Tbill money has to go "somewhere."

Yeah: Gold and silver

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:41 | 4033741 Jason T
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looks like market is not "correct" and will need to do so.  

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:41 | 4033746 4 wheel drift
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let it explode and destroy this charade once and for all....  

damned the consequences.  better than this farce, above all

be rid of the current collection of thugs in DC

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:48 | 4033764 Toolshed
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I only gave you +1 because the system won't let me give you +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:50 | 4033773 FieldingMellish
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Looking at the PMs you could be forgiven in thinking there was only blue skies and pink unicorns ahead. Yet Bart remains frustrated.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:48 | 4033779 JailBanksters
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Maybe an old classic will put people in the right frame of mind by Elvis Costello:

I've been on tenterhooks
ending in dirty looks,
list'ning to the Muzak,
thinking 'bout this 'n' that.
She said that's that.
I don't wanna chitter-chat.
Turn it down a little bit
or turn it down flat.
Pump it up when you don't really need it.
Pump it up until you can feel it.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:49 | 4033782 Shizzmoney
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Back in 2011, there was an actual doubt whether we would have "QE4EVA"

Now?  It's pretty clear to Wall St the Fed will print as long as there are enough trees....so the government "default" doesn't matter to them.  And if SHTF, they can always just leave the country.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:50 | 4033786 Manthong
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Anybody got a good link for a quick call on support and resistance levels?

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:50 | 4033788 Dr. Venkman
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FaceFuck done broke.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 11:05 | 4033841 1eyedman
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lknd  tsla   p  pcln amzn       the worm has turned

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:53 | 4033792 gdiamond22
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So if both sides 'dig-in' and neither budges and we default, when the 2016 president is elected can we "Blame Hussein" for 8 years? Since none of our elected offcials ever make mistakes, are held responsible or take accountability where will the blame lie? It sure isn't the Federal Reserves fault!! / sarc

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:58 | 4033808 adr
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Since Barry has been in charge, there hasn't been a budget passed. Technically the US has been in default since 2009.

If the Congress fails to set a budget, they are in violation of the Constitution and therefore illegitimate. With no budget the US government isn't authorized to spend a dime, yet they did.  Again technically a default, because the expenditures were not authorized by Constitutional authority.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:54 | 4033794 adr
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The algos are programmed to take all news as bullish. If a chart goes from bottom left to top right, BUY EVERYTHING!!!

I still like how the financial media claims recent IPOs have skyrocketed. Like Potbelly, which was up 100% on the first millisecond of trading. The stock opened and pretty much traded in a tight range all day. Saying the stock doubled from a price that never existed for traders, means the claimed IPO price never existed.

You couldn't get shares at the claimed IPO if you tried. The best you could do was buy at the pop and watch the stock go in a straight line all day.

IPOs are meant to double the value of insiders shares before they sell them to you. Then after they book the profit, they are all too happy to buy them back at a heavily reduced price a few weeks later with free Benny Bux.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 14:01 | 4034567 negative rates
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Gotta love that win-win situtation, till it aint.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 10:55 | 4033800 Chief Falling Knife
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On a minute chart you can almost see the POMO fighting off any downward pressure.

Tue, 10/08/2013 - 11:11 | 4033860 sudzee
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S & Pomo doing its best to levitate.

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