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Speaker Boehner: "There's Going To Be A Negotiation" - Live Webcast
Having been given so many 'openings' to carry on the negotiation during Obama's standing oration, Speaker Boehner has decided it's his turn to explain who is to blame...
- *BOEHNER SAYS HE'S DISAPPOINTED OBAMA WILL NOT NEGOTIATE
- *BOEHNER SAYS HOUSE HAS PASSED 4 BILLS TO FUND PARTS OF GOVT
- *BOEHNER SAYS NEGOTIATIONS ALWAYS ACCOMPANY SPENDING BILLS
- *BOEHNER SAYS OBAMA'S POSITION ON NEGOTIATIONS `NOT SUSTAINABLE'
- *BOEHNER SAYS DEBT LIMIT BILLS ALWAYS CARRY `POLICY CHANGES'
- *BOEHNER SAYS `THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEGOTIATION HERE'
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Like Wimbledon without the women.
its important to explain it to American people but also, because this will be the deciding factor on the next election
its important to explain it to American people but also, because this will be the deciding factor on the next election
You Jest right??? Your being Sarcastic???
This Shit is ALL Kubuki Theatre for the [du]Masses to soak in and enjoy, there is SO much more going on right now then that....
Forest through the Trees my friend, forest through the trees
Coordinated Theater to drain liquidity from the stock market and into the bond market. Federal Reserve's daily jokes are not enough anymore. They need to have reality shows out of Washington these days.
i miss the days when a few words of Mr. Dullard of Missoura could move the markets ... now we got a default pending and nothing moves ... just a deer market stuck on headlights
Election? You reckon the US is going to get another election??? Shhheeessshhhh.
If they were trying to explain anything to the American people, it would have to coming out of the mouthes of Simon Cowell and Miley Cyrus.
So sweaty men playing with their balls????
I ll take the women
<---- Making a significant PM purchase this week (or did in the past 30 days)
<---- Not worried about a Default
As we get closer to the end of the rope the more I feel like converting more FRNS for PMs. Anyone else nervous?
Yes, but maybe that's just me...
I've also been converting my fiat into base metals and the proper delivery devices to go with them. I've bought up stores of grains and stocked all the freezers. But I've been thinking this is coming for the past five years. Trying not to get complacent, but remembering all the fucking stick saves they have pulled out of their asses over the last many years...
Nervous? Yeah, just a little. Maybe even more than a little.
Scared? Absolutely not !
I am not that worried. I want a default. I want our debt to disappear. The only real problem is that we will be back up to 17 trillion in debt within 8 years, the printing will continue, the spending will continue, and the USD purchasing power will be cut in half and take all the other currencies with it. But hey, what a great way to get another 17 trillion added on to the debt limit. Just erase the first 17 trillion. Within the realm of the paper markets game, which is totally rigged, I don't expect much visible change. That is only because none of the numbers on the screen reflect anything about reality. If you want reality, you have to be in non paper commodities and PMs. I see little connection between the world of paper and the real world.
They just have to find out who is taking the blame if they are going to do it.
Also my basement is full of food, just in case I am wrong.
Like Wimbledon without the women.
What ? It's EXACTLY like Wimbledon because this is a catfight between two women.
But still including the loud grunting and childish temper tantrums.
The Republicans stand to be better off with their base if they stand firm. The same ones who haven't showed up at the elections lately.
you mean the Tea Party faction inside of the Republican "tent"? I'm no expert in American politics (and not partisan at all - hell, I'm the ultimate alien living in a different continent), but I read a lot of commentaries that hint on the opposite, i.e. that most Southern Tea Party congresspersons come from super-safe (of course gerrymandered) districts
why should they have this kind of thoughts? honest question. does this imply that they feel they have a once-in-a-lifetime chance?
if you are no expert ... just leave it at that. sorry ...
and one more thing, WWE wrestling...
It's not real.
oh darn it...what's next, you gonna tell me Santa Claus isn't real???
are you? then enlighten me. perhaps, just perhaps, you should notice that according the web statistics over 50% of ZH readers are foreigners in foreign lands. and ZH is hosted on a server that isn't in the US
and "gerrymandered districts" are dirty words, here. meanwhile, US politics still move the world. perhaps not forever, but still
take your head out of your provincial ass, for once. is the Tea Party something that was sent from heaven by rosy-cheeked angels? if yes, which kind of rosy-cheeked angels?
I sense a lot of cognitive dissonance. meanwhile many commentators are utterly at loss in foreign politics. but it does not yet count, does it?
No, i do not think it counts either; I am no expert and do not claim to be one in the internet. why dont you stick to finance and world history ... i think thats your strong suite ... politics is for losers. I do not try to understand it ...
in my view is the same formula from Roman times: bread and circus for the masses, nothing new under the sun...
imo present politics is future history, and the man financing the games and the bread the next consul
thanks for the answers below, everybody. I seriously appreciate them
The way I see it, the Republican establishment pissed off a lot of Republican voters over the years by allowing the government to grow out of control. From that, the Tea Party emerged, but many of those people now view themselves almost as separate from Republicans as they are from Democrats. When they sit out elections, close races can go to Democrats and gerrymandered districts can become competitive.
So establishment Republicans, vulnerable and hurting for votes in national elections, are now paying lip service to Tea Party ideas, hoping they can pull enough votes back into the Republican Party to compete with Democrats. Whether this will succeed remains to be seen.
One thing that WILL NOT happen: the Republican establishment won't allow a permanent shift toward libertarianism within the party. After the 2012 elections, many of the more libertarian-minded members of Congress were stripped of committee assignments, etc. The Tea Party is marginally libertarian, so that should tell TP supporters just how welcome they are in the Republican party.
The establishment/progressive GOP currently has the purse strings, that will have to change before TEA/Libertarians will make a serious move in the GOP. Tossing Cornyn, McCain and McConnell out on their asses in coming elections might be a game changer.
Assuming there will be coming elections
Why is it that 10% of the Congress, the TEA backed ones, seem to raise so much ire amongst the left and the progressives in the GOP. They must represent the thoughts of more than 10% of the population would be my guess.
don't know. they are for sure pissing off China and Japan. and to be frank, we europeans are also starting to lose some patience
None of that will cause me to lose too much sleep.
The Tea Party has almost no power within the Republican party itself. Despite the current meme, it cannot hold anything "hostage." What you're seeing is the Republican establishment paying lip service to the Tea Party and its loathing of the Obamacare mandate and trying to win back a chunk of voters it lost over the past decade (see my post above).
That said, Republicans in the House have put forward any number of bills to fund essentially all of the government, but Senate Democrats simply refuse to vote on them. Both sides are acting childish, but one side — Obama and the Democrats — is also doing that annoying "La-la-la! I can't hear you!" thing that bratty children like to do.
I think the super-safe aspect comes from the nature of the residents as opposed to gerrymandering. There was a popular poster in the US of an electric chair with the caption "Justice- regular or extra crispy" which about covers the entire political spectrum (at least as to what they would like to see done the abomination that is DC) in certain districts regardless of how boundaries are drawn. Re-districting is done every ten years following the national census and is controlled by States (the process and level of partisanship varies from State to State), so any "funky turns" to the district boundary lines are probably more the result of a State-level incumbent trying to defend "his" office. There has ironically been gerrymandering done to increase minority representation, and even in a State like Texas there are some cesspools enclaves that have a fetish for prostrating themselves before Washington, and they tend to send similarly minded representatives to Washington. To the extent that gerrymandering exists I think it exists along the battle-fronts, not back on safe territory. However, There was one blantant instance of gerrymandering recently where the Democrats in Maryland got a long serving Republican in the House ousted by doing carving up the western leg of State but the State is solidly Democrat and they end to view the ex-Washington/Baltimore rural area is a bunch of undesirable in-laws that they would rather not have, of course when a succession movement started in the Western counties, the grass stopped being greener on the other side of the hill.
(And not to insinuate that the citizenry doesn't do a wonderful job of self-gerrymandering absent State intervention, the number of closet racists that must exist in the Blue states to create these divisions is truly staggering)
http://www.wired.com/design/2013/08/how-segregated-is-your-city-this-eye...
Not sure I would agree with that. The states that are the swing states are increasingly populated by the Free Shit Army -- Wisconsin, PA, Va, Ohio, Colorado, and Florida.... The only upside to Immigration reform is that the Blue states will bleed heavily if all of the illegals are counted in the 2020 census. The senate is pretty much a lost cause, the house should be able to be held and defended. Next whitehouse run, is likely a lost cause if its hillary. Cuomo or Bitme would be interesting against a real republican..... But if its Crusty, Ryan, or another Bush forget about it.
Might as well write off national elections going forward. We've passed the government dependency threshold, and the majority will now vote for the person who promises not to cut their benefits. Amnesty would only add to that fact.
Limited government folks should seriously start considering the best way to get a collection of states to call for secession. We need a divorce from the federal government, and the next 10-20 years will be chaotic as hell.
Never let a crisis go to waste...
Yup. Free shit army will probably be unstoppable if they can teach them to vote and they can dig up enough dead people to bolster them.
I believe you are referring to the Conservatives.
Yup
It's Celebrity Death Match time, anyone can see it.
The walls of Jericho are about to fall.
boehner jerks off publically.
Admission only costs a few trillion.
<-----If he cries he's full of shit
<-----He's full of shit either way
he was always full of shit
he always cries
A Lap Dance Is So Much Better When The Stripper Is Crying
Oh, you were finished? Oh, well allow me to retort!
pods
Whos face did he finish on?? And do you mean "Allow me to swuirt on your face now" Seems more likely what Johnny Boi was sayin....
Just my 2c
Well your first mistake was assuming I am watching any of this shit.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pulp+fiction+quotes
Assume I did not, have been here long enough to have folowed and appreciates your posts, but by the Junks I got some missed my sarcasm and wit about this, but oh well just continues to prove to me that most 'meriKans are too dumb for their own good. Oh and not directing that at you Pods.
Well I would not be offended if it was directed at me, as at one time I admit I was too dumb for my own good.
I try to just add snarky comments on these types of posts, or stay away as there is too much red team/blue team stuff that makes my skin crawl. I truthfully didn't understand your reply, so I just tossed another snarky one out.
No worries about pissing people off, I do it so well I don't even have to try anymore (mostly in real life).
pods
It's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt.
This is the financial version of "the missile were indeed operational and the local commanders were given the launch codes".
un-negotations and soon, un-colas
i like when bohener speaks. at least its interesting. i know he will deff cave sadly, but i like how he always seems angry
I think it's utter nonsense completely staged...this 'shut down' was planned long ago! 'Oooo...Boner will fold! Oblabla will stand firm! Boner wants 'negotiations'!'...yea sure, I don't buy any of it for a second this was all rehearsed and planned months ago, here's a bit of proof of it.
? Govt Shutdown Planned Well In Advance - YouTube
He's easier to listen to than the Crybaby-in-Chief.
Wish they'd morph this into a Ow! My Bslls! Episode.
Idiocracy is our future - It'll be 24x7 ow my balls for the 99%
Bobo and Boner sitting in a tree
S I C K N I N G !
First comes lies,then comes threats
Then comes.............
A little help here......
more bullshit?
Then comes Benny in a baby carriage?
...The taxpayers fucked AGAIN !
#pissingmatch
It's sickening!
this just in. Alec Baldwin has called for a counter-counter press conference, calling Obumba and Boehner faggots.
The Bath House Sheik is a standing threat to US National Security.
"Listen Chalky, you either get your punk ass to the table or your free shit army is going to be knocking on your gate."
Now there's an interesting idea, going after his Free Shit Army...
They all must die...
When does Zombie Apocalypse commence?
January 20, 2009, then reiterated January 20, 2013.
My God...maybe Lyndon Larouche was right all along....
Right about what exactly? I'm not too familiar with Lyndon Larouche myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche
A bit cooky, his earlier views dogged him, lots of good ideas though
Convicted of fraud, tax evasion, anything he did pales in comparison to what these turds are doing today.
The way they discredited him, just like Ron Paul, is proof IMO he was against the status quo...
Oh some little butt-hurt ass had to 'downvote' that? REALLY? Grow up.
Chalky! You best be negotshatin mahfahka! Or yo free shit minions will be comin for YOU next!
Man, when the Repubs finally cave on this thing the market rally is going to be epic. I'm sure it will be leaked to the "right" people overnight and futures will be up 50 points. Hard to negotiate with someone (Obama) who has destruction as the actual goal
Bunch of staged bullshit to whipsaw the most people out of their money.
As a trader I'm enjoying the shit out of it and sleeping with one eye open
50 points? How about 500? This ain't 1980 ya know
I was talking S&P and you're talking Dow
OT: What happend to Syria and Iran? Who's the bad guy now? Now that alQaida is our friend as well, there is no one left. If there is no one to blame for all the shit that happens we will start to pick our own bad guys. Obama should be smart enough to know that these bad guys are his buddies.
Time for a FF attack!
Syria and Iran kinda faceplanted....so they had to invent a new crisis to divert attention from the crimes they're carrying out.
I'm kind of shocked Boner hasn't caved already - maybe he's been rope a doping Obama lo these many years........nah, prolly not.
Obama wantrs the markets to crater.... "never let a crisis go to waste".... it may come down to the military.... just like in Indonesia...
I'll bet Boehner has ladies flex shafts in his golf clubs.
Pink grips too...heard that from a looper friend of mine.
A looper?
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X48G7Y0VWW4
Yea, you know, 'looper'....carries your bag around a loop of golf. Hey that's what they called em when I was looping for the Lama in Tibet anyway....big hitter the Lama, long ball.
gunga galunga
So I got that goin for me, which is nice.
Pink is not a gay color any longer as for 31 days NFL players are wearing it everywhere and officials have the pink wrist bands and penalty flags (what a nation of pussies we have become; let's delay a pro or college football game because of a weather forecast).
Really? Is this a breast cancer money raising thing?
Fuck I'll save them the effort.
Ladies, eat ~10g of mushrooms a day, lower your risk a bunch (angiogenesis inhibitors).
Toss in some finely chopped onions (organosulfur compounds) and you will be better off than anything coming out of the breast cancer industry.
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
But nope, more money will be donated to develop better and better ways to destroy ourselves.
pods
I thought it was Women for Prostate Awareness month.
He probably putts from the rough too.
pods
Now, no more shenanigans, no more tomfoolery, no more ballyhoo
In essence it is a fight between freely elected representatives and a freely elected president. It is a fight about who determines and controls the budget and as such very dangerous. 200 years ago there would have been a civil war, I hope this time it can be resolved in a more peaceful way. I really fear that this will only heat up.
and the outcome is... Borrow and Spend (Republicans), or Spend and Borrow (Democrats)
The speaker got his own government website? Lulz?
That little maggot got his own jet airplane
That little maggot he's a millionaire...
[/money for nothing]
"Boehner says" = lol
The worst thing about a consolidated government, so the most passionate [anti-federalists] argued, was that, once in place, its relentless expansion of arbitrary power was unstoppable, its tendency toward corruption was inevitable, and its appetite for despotism was unquenchable
Joseph J. Ellis, American Creation
Seems Boner is in a good spot though to keep holding out - he may get short term blame for a bad outcome, but long term does Obama really want his legacy to be the prsident that presided over US crash and burn?
Hmmm.....maybe he does actually.
Yes, he was elected after all, but just to run the governement and not to pass laws. That is what it is all about
Maybe that's just what the plan is Ricky.
Mandate from Heaven. "We won!"
See http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/10/8_Fo... and then decide.
I give up...
Someones really showing their faggotry with all the downvotes....grow up jerk.
They don;t call him BONER for nothing!
Bama doesnt need any votes but Boehner does.
Guess who will blink first
It is not a bipartisan affair, this time it is about the constitution and balance of power between adminstration and congress. Both parties have driven the US into a major constitutional problem about budget and taxation competencies. Slavery is a minor thing compared to this. You see, "no taxation without representation". Obama was right to state that this needs a fix. Boehner would not disagree, but how to achieve a compromise?
We know when Obama wins again. It's when Boner comes out crying.
Or, NOT! Never know what's been planned in the next scene of this Shakespearean tragi/comedy.
TRANSCRIPT: House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) Statement on the Shutdown And Debt Limit
2013-10-08 21:00:43.838 GMT
Oct. 8 (Washington Post) -- House Speaker John Boehner
(R-Ohio) delivered the following statement on the government
shutdown and the federal debt ceiling on Oct. 8 at the U.S.
Capitol.
HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER: Good afternoon, everyone.
As you all know, I had a phone call with the president of
the United States this morning. I will say it was a pleasant
conversation, although I have to say I was disappointed that the
president refuses to negotiate.
When it comes to the issue of funding of our government, the
House has passed four bills, four bills to fund our government
and provide fairness to the American people under "Obamacare."
Each of those four bills was rejected by the United States
Senate. Under the Constitution and our system of government, we
asked that they sit down and have a conversation with us about
funding the government, keeping it open and providing fairness to
the American people under "Obamacare." They've refused to do it.
Now over the last 30 years dozens of times there have been
negotiations over funding our government. All of those
negotiations over the last 30 years have resulted in significant
policy changes. And I would remind you that the president of the
United States and I sat down in the spring of 2011 to negotiate a
funding bill for the government from March all the way through
September. During that negotiation there were all kinds of policy
considerations and, if you recall, the opportunity scholarships
for kids here in D.C. was in fact restored into law.
So the president's position that, listen, we're not going to
sit down and talk to you until you surrender, is just not
sustainable. It's not our system of government.
When it comes to the debt limit, I agree with the president.
We should pay our bills. I didn't come here to shut down the
government; I certainly didn't come here to default on our debt.
But when it comes to the debt limit, again, over the last 40
years, 27 times, the debt limit has been used to carry
significant policy changes that would in fact reduce spending and
put us on a saner fiscal path. President Reagan sat down with Tip
O'Neill in the 1980s. President Bush in 1990 went out to Andrews
Air Force Base and got into a long debate and negotiation with
Democrats here in Congress. Bill Clinton went through this three
times in the 1990s. President Obama and I sat down in 2011 and
had a serious negotiation.
And while the president today suggested that I walked away
from the deal, I would have to remind him that I was in the Oval
Office along with the majority leader, Eric Cantor, when we in
fact had an agreement that two days later the president walked
away from.
But there was, in fact, another negotiation in 2011 that
resulted in, really, the largest deficit reduction bill that
we've seen here in the last 30 years. But in 2010, when Democrats
controlled the Congress and President Obama was in the White
House, what happened was, a group of moderate Democrats in the
House wouldn't agree to raise the debt limit without a
negotiation.
So there was a negotiation then amongst Democrats over
raising the debt ceiling.
The long and short of it is, there is going to be a
negotiation here. We can't raise the debt ceiling without doing
something about what's driving us to borrow more money and to
live beyond our means. The idea that we should continue to spend
money that we don't have and give the bill to our kids and our
grandkids would be wrong.
This isn't about me and it's -- frankly, it's not about
Republicans. This is about saving the future for our kids and our
grandkids, and the only way this is going to happen is to in fact
have a conversation. So it's time to have that conversation, not
next week, not next month, the conversation ought to start today.
And I'm hopeful that whether it's the president or Democrat
leaders here in the Congress, we can begin that conversation.
Q: Speaker --
Q: Mr. Speaker, can you tell us please, what would you say
to military families who have just been denied death benefits due
to the shutdown?
SPEAKER BOEHNER: Last week, the Congress passed the Pay Our
Military Benefits Act. We gave broad authority to the Department
of Defense to pay all kinds of bills, including this. And
frankly, I think it's disgraceful that they're withholding these
benefits.
But again, tomorrow, the House is going to act specifically
on this and I hope the president will sign it.
Q: Mr. Speaker --
Q: Mr. Speaker, the president -- go ahead.
Q: Mr. Speaker, the president made it extremely clear that
he isn't going to negotiate. You are making it extremely clear
that you have to negotiate. What happens, in all candor, if it is
11:59 on October 17th and we're not there?
SPEAKER BOEHNER: You know, in times like this, the American
people expect their leaders to sit down and have a conversation.
I want that conversation to occur now.
Q: Speaker --
Q: Speaker, the president said today that he would negotiate
if there was a temporary deal to open government --
SPEAKER BOEHNER: What the president said today was, if there
is unconditional surrender by Republicans, he'll sit down and
talk to us. That's not the way our government works.
Thanks, everybody.
Transcript courtesy of Federal News Service.
Obama "release the hostages then we will negotiate". Rookie
Yo! Bitchez! KWN interviewed Dr. Paul Craig Roberts today. I believe he sees thru Obummer's plans. Read it and weep! All bend knee to the next God of amerika.
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/10/8_Fo...
Keep your powder dry.
Keep your timber limber...you'll be a hard man to stroke.
This is serious Mogambo Guru stuff!!! (and if you are a follower of the Great and Powerful Mogambo Guru, then you understand the code of 3 exclamation points in a row.)
It's either jump into that JR Bunker, with gunz, ammo, gold, silver & oil, and wait for the end, or bend over and kiss your azz good-bye.
so what if this potus does in fact invoke the emergency powers act. what would we do to fight this. would the military go after him since the constitution would be suspended.
would a t-bill default be a sufficient reason, and if not, what could congress and the people do?
it may sound tin-foil derby, but this is the most arrogant, scary, sumbitch i've ever seen.
Shut up - you're really too stupid to be commenting here.
Oops! I misquoted, should read "be a hard man to beat!"
Zer vill be a negotiation, und you vill enjoy zee negotiation.
Rather than 'waxing lyrically', I think the pertinent Q at this point is: Exactly when (what day) will this go Core Critical?
As Chief Engineer Scotty would say: "Captain, the Dilithium Crystals will disintegrate!" You get the idea.
Get out your system models or crystal balls. Forget the "NOISE". I see the consolidation of US Fascism via one of two paths:
A. The GOP cave completely under the relentless the combined pressure from Obama plus the MSM. Budget gets passed, Obamacare gets passed, the imaginary Debt 'Ceiling' gets raised. This sets historic precedent and signals the IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY as being all but official.
B. Obama makes use of the Crisis to invoke the IEEPA (International Economic Emergency Powers Act). Obama exercises Defacto powers of the Imperial Presidency.
Either way, we get Fascism, an Imperial Presidency. Actually, what we REALLY get is: The Banker-owned MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!
I'm guessing many of the Obama voters never thought their guy would be this unwilling to negotiate with the opposition over virtually the most important issue of our lifetime. Do you all remember how he campaigned against the contentiousness of the Bush administration in Washington and Congress? What a lie he's turned out to be.
If I had a nickel for everytime somebody said this or that issue was "the most important issue of our lifetime" I'd be rich. This will be solved and forgotten about in a year...
Yeah man like I don't get it either cause like "Boner" and his handlers are so rightous and trustworhty and have proven they can be taken at their word. Ain't none of it real dude. Ya got a president thats a blackman tryin to be white vs a Speaker whose a White man tryihg to dye/tan himself black, both shill shills for warring corporations,, so like who has the most money will win of course which is really "THE" most important issue of our time, and that is like, how long will the American public let just anybody fuck em while gettin their wallet lifted at the same time, like paying to be raped my man.
Washington is nothing more than a stage for the greatest theater of the absurd play of all time, i.e. "Waiting for American voter intelligence!" Wait all ya want. Talk about it all ya want. Pretend there really is such a thing all ya want cause it ain't never gonna be!
Obama is the "my way or the highway president", too bad where hes going, no one wants to follow.
BOEHNER IS A BITCH, AND WILL LET THE OTHER BITCH OUT OF HIS HEADLOCK. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT!
Stand or run. Fuck it, continue to stand against the bluff and don't back down. The shut down is bs anyway. As I read somewhere else, "Just think, two weeks ago we had money to start another war."
Obama owns this Default. Let him Choke on it. Boner you PUSSY! Don't give-in to this FAGGOT now. America is Bankrupt. I know it, you know it, Fag Obama Know's it. Gift wrap it and leave it on the White House door step. Simple really.