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US Treasuries Are "Riskier" Than Italian And Spanish Bonds

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In the equity asset management world, the word risk is ubiquitously interchangeable with the word "volatility" for myriad asset allocation models that promise mathematical precision way beyond the realms of possibility in a dynamic world. However, extending that definition of risk, we thought it worth pointing out that, for the last month, US Treasury bonds have become more volatile (more risky) than Italian and Spanish bonds. Something to ponder for The Fed's new head we suspect...

 

The 3 month volatility of US Treasuries is now higher than that of Spain and Italy (both of which offer significantly higher yields than the US)...

 

One can only imagine the automated overweighting that a lower risk, higher return implies for the peripheral European bond markets... but for all those MPT asset allocators out there, when all you have is hammer...

 

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Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:26 | 4037585 firstdivision
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Time to sell vol

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:35 | 4037617 MillionDollarBonus_
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Another amateur ZH post. Risk is proportional to yield, and treasuries have much lower yields than italian and spanish bonds. It's sad that doomer day traders read these articles and believe they are learning real economics. For those of you who want the truth, I suggest you read some Krugman, Stiglitz or Mankiw.

http://accredited-times.com/2013/10/08/why-unions-are-the-champions-of-american-freedom/ 

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:43 | 4037627 Say What Again
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Wednesday morning humor...

Life would be boring without MDB & Krugman.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:47 | 4037635 Arius
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DB you had me at Paul Krugman ... few know he is a member of the Group of 30 of BIS

 

http://www.group30.org/members.shtml

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:47 | 4037638 SafelyGraze
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UST chosen "sexiest bond alive" by Esquire in 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexiest_Woman_Alive#Sexiest_Woman_Alive

and now you have to go and spoil it all

http://netdna.celebritytoob.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Celebrities_W...

 

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:27 | 4037759 Manthong
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MDB..  I’m too busy reading Marx, Lenin, Gramsci and Mao for those lightweight modern treatments.

If you really want to understand todays economics, I suggest you read an essential work on freedom by socialist Paul Lafargue (son-in-law of Marx, 1842-1911), “ The Right To Be Lazy”  (1883)

You really need to get to the epistemological sources of modern economics order to understand these latter day authorities.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 11:38 | 4037979 Hard1
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Textbooks:  US Treasuries represent the risk free rate.

Reality:  US Treasuries represent the rate free risk!

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 11:43 | 4038001 SafelyGraze
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somebody edited the entry

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esquire_(magazine)&oldid=576154583

 

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 13:04 | 4038334 StacksOnStacks
Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:48 | 4037630 Arius
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dublicate

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:18 | 4037722 EmmittFitzhume
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DB, If your not living with you mom already, you will be soon

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:21 | 4037748 DYS
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Risk is proportional to yield?!   Fuck me, all this time I've been learning the capital asset pricing model.   Your formula is sooooo much easier!   Thanks!

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:26 | 4037760 MarcusLCrassus
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Krugman, hehe, that was hilarious

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 11:47 | 4038011 firstdivision
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How about you get back to me once you learn what volatility is, til then, you're an idiot.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 13:08 | 4038359 kenezen
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Hee HEE HA haw! Howl! Oh Wow! Thanks for the best laugh I've had in at least a week. Your a really great guy for providing this short but incredibly funny humor! Thanks!!! 

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:26 | 4037590 PatientZero
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Of course they offer higher yields when we get a constant flow of "G-d's Chosen" that run the interest rates down. Why bother?

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:26 | 4037591 TeamDepends
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Is there anything the Keynesians can't do?

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:47 | 4037634 GMadScientist
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Stop bailing.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:26 | 4037592 hugovanderbubble
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Time to LOAD SPANISH AND ITALIAN VOLATILITY

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:31 | 4037608 Everybodys All ...
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Thanks Bernanke. Someone can start putting Bernanke's name on the Ace of Clubs. The Ace of Spades is already taken.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:32 | 4037611 Lendo
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I'd rather Grouponzi or Facebook stock versus UST or USD.

 

Oh, and get fucked Yellen.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:33 | 4037612 debtor of last ...
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Can we have a "whatever it takes" from mr. Yellen?

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:35 | 4037614 Dr. Engali
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Risk...LOL the Bernank has banished risk. There is only manipulation now.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:39 | 4037620 yogibear
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Fed Dog and pony show now to try and get the sheeple back in the herd.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:39 | 4037624 ebworthen
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No worries, Jim Cramer just compared Janet Yellen to George Washington.

"She is the best America has to offer!"

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:49 | 4037639 TrumpXVI
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Ya' know?  Now that Jim has mentioned it, she DOES look a little bit like him!

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:37 | 4037793 Don Diego
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well, both can trace their roots to a certain Middle-Eastern tribe that never got along with its neighbors, right?

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:45 | 4037629 sudzee
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Treasuries risky, bonds under inflation, markets overbought, time to grab some physical dollars. Oh ya there just happens to be another trillion available. Dollar will soar into a collapse real soon, especially with Yellen at the helm.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:45 | 4037633 deepsouthdoug
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See we ain’t no banana republic - we’re a Mediterranean republic!

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:48 | 4037636 GMadScientist
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Sweet! When can we expect an IMF rescue package?

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:22 | 4037740 OneTinSoldier66
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SDR's, SDR's... get your printed out of thin air SDR's here!

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 09:55 | 4037641 Atlantis Consigliore
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http://youtu.be/szwclmmKwLg     the new face of the EZ Janet FED and the US Dollar....

But Porzine did that with $ 6 bILLION of long italian bonds, in a swap;

the EZ FED made me do it!!!!!  EZ  Janet here to stay, 

bonds bonds,  run run run away.  Inflation here to stay. 

lets print it all another 4 trillion on the balance sheet, EZ Janet,

Do it for the Children....

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:11 | 4037704 falak pema
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How the dialogue and perspective changes; from Greece we go to Washington as the most corrupt of the crony capitalist crowd.

Read this for a laff :

Krugtron The Invincible - Business Insider

Battle of the professorial dinosaurs of Academia on oppsite sides of the aisle.

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 10:19 | 4037724 raki_d
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Wait a minute... Cant the treasury selectivily default on debt owned by just the Fed (if it isnt doing that by some mechanism already ) ? 
And if yes- isnt that a big plus for the (ratings of the) treasuries that are left undefaulted ?

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 11:33 | 4037946 samanko
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What are  the BBG Codes to get the Vol charts  for those govis ?

 

Wed, 10/09/2013 - 13:01 | 4038303 Gamma735
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MDB is an alt for Paul Krugman.   All these "print more whores" lovingly service and satisfy their bankster masters.  

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