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This Is Not The World You're Hoping For

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Hard to argue with this... just one more quarter, and everything will be fixed... Of course, when you've got Abenomics, Yellenomics, and Draghinomics on your side, what does it matter?

 

 

This is not the world economic growth you're looking for...

 

 

(h/t @Not_Jim_Cramer)

 

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Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:53 | 4043464 Croesus
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Here's hoping the damn thing tanks! Maybe it will finally provide the impetus that people need to finally remove the constraints of a rotten system that suppresses all that is good in the world.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:04 | 4043517 Seasmoke
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Don't hold your breath Croesus.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:14 | 4043544 Croesus
Fri, 10/11/2013 - 08:01 | 4044285 CH1
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simplify the Government

I don't care about simplifying the Beast - I want to starve it and keep it as far from decent people as possible.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 08:52 | 4044454 Eeyores Enigma
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It's just a huge global game of musical chairs...

...and the music has stopped.

 

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:49 | 4043465 A Lunatic
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I think someone put Krokodil in the Hopium injection......

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 02:14 | 4044066 TheMerryPrankster
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That would explain the scaling and stench of rotting flesh across america.

Hope and change is what we wanted and when Barry leaves hope and change will be the only things we still have. most of the change will be pennies and a couple of odd nickels.

and the hope will be,geez I hope I can find a silver quarter someday.

lower expectations isn't just a blind dating service on the internet, its also barrys essence. Sammy Davis with 2 glass eyes and married to the black ethel mirman. How did it come to this?

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 22:48 | 4047125 acetinker
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The hope and stench left behind is yours, you fkn moron!  I don't expect you'll ever take credit for your idiotness- blind dating and barry's idiotness?

Dear God, I hope and pray that idiots like TheMerryPrankster die an honorable death. God forbid that his family ever discovers what an idiot he was.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:51 | 4043468 HulkHogan
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Can there be a recession inside a depression?

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:55 | 4043492 GeezerGeek
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FDR managed it, didn't he? So the answer is "Yes We Can".

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:06 | 4043522 g'kar
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.....and he had 3 terms to prove it. We should give Barry 3 terms too.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:17 | 4043559 RafterManFMJ
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Nah, just one term but make it with no possibility of parole.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:37 | 4043627 manhattanexile
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He should talk to Bloomberg - he pulled it off because just like BO - HE KNOWS BEST

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:36 | 4043621 manhattanexile
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SI SE PUEDE holmes

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:07 | 4043528 Teddy Tenpole
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you mean like the new normal?

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 02:06 | 4044060 TheMerryPrankster
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Aka "the Recovery" the head wound that won't clot and keeps bleeding into our eyes. all i can see is red.

also known as the "soft Recovery" and the "unexpectedly Soft Recovery"

all phrases in quotation marks are trademark Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve, ask about opening a franchise near you today.

Green shoots Bitchezzz

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:50 | 4043470 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's gonna turn up any day now. Just you watch.

<But BTFATH while you wait.>

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:52 | 4043472 LetThemEatRand
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Contrast that chart to a chart of the wealth of the .01% over the last 2 years and it will tell you literally everything you need to know.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:08 | 4043534 This just in
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So...

Stop watching/buying the bullshit movies.

Stop buying the bullshit music.  Ther hasn't been any real music for a few decades, anyway.

Stop buying the fucking name brands.

Stop buying shit with corporate logos on them.  Are you fucking stupid?

Stop buying a status-symbol new car every three years. 

Stop eating out at trendy bullshit restaurants 4 nights a week.

Stop upgrading your fucking phone. Why?  The dumbasses who call you don't get upgraded, so WTF?

Stop buying new iShit.  No one needs a new fucking app.

Stop paying three-times-value for "green" whatever.  How fucking stupid are you?

Yes, the economy will choke.  But this madness has got to stop somewhere.  Bring the pain, and then let's move foreward.

:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:16 | 4043558 Teddy Tenpole
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VACATE BITCHEZ!!!

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:22 | 4043562 Zer0head
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TJI is correct

Just Stop!!!

sad thing is boycotts seldom work, and if they do the impact is short term, much like the promises Boner and Barry make to each other in the heat of debt passion

worse still those who participate are a tiny fraction

Barry knows this and his boy boner too

they govern a nation of half wits and apathetic retards sprinkled with idealogical hipsters and hillbillies

so just plunder the fucker with your bankster friends and no one will notice

and when the music finally stops, hope that you have satisfied all of your desires and that you will then be  safely tucked in below the sod

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:22 | 4043578 Teddy Tenpole
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more like TPTB have perfected the 2 party system system

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 23:09 | 4043861 Seer
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I don't think that it's an issue of embarking on a "boycott" per se; rather, I think that it's a lifestyle change.  Boycotts are meant to "ask" some POWER to change, and, well, there may be some change, but it's quite certain that POWER will continue to pull the strings as it wishes.

There's no conspiracy to do anything other than to keep on doing what they've ALWAYS been doing.  The time slices are getting shorter, this is what we're noticing (more rapid changes are easier to spot).  The actions are still pretty much the same.

I'd hardly concur with any notion that the bankers (and others) are sitting pretty (through plundering) if they've got fiat and piles of shitty assets.  When the paradigm changes, which it will (and they have no control over it), we'll see how "well off" they are...

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:30 | 4043600 wisehiney
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Done did.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:36 | 4043614 acetinker
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I've already Stopped all of the above, except one.  Right now, there's a shit-ton of great music being created in all genres.  You just won't hear it on any radio station or TV show.  Why?  There are numerous reasons, but the most important to me is that this group of artists aren't willing to sell their soul to Madison Avenue.

One of my personal faves, atm:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7juqY5QSlBw

Yeah, I'm a redneck.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:56 | 4043665 LetThemEatRand
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Great tune.  I grew up on metal and started appreciating country a few years ago.   Started with Cash and branched out from there.  I'm with you that fighting the machine does not include giving up art, even if it is occasionally packaged.  Breaking Bad is a good example.   Great art and a brilliant commentary on society.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:50 | 4043823 acetinker
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This isn't directed at you, personally- but since you mentioned the other JC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 23:11 | 4043867 LetThemEatRand
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Love it.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:47 | 4046930 acetinker
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Harbanger says you're a girl.  Is this correct?  I don't check profiles 'cos I don't want nobody checkin' mine.  There's nothin' there anyway.

Anyway, I can kinda see where you're coming from better if you're female.  That, in and of itself is rather instructional, considering that the Rand you seem to despise was uhhh, female.

I swear upon my own dead body that I absolutely am obsessed with the workings of the female mind, and I kinda-sorta can't keep my mind off their physical parts, too.  It is my main weakness.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:15 | 4043720 chindit13
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That's your choice and you are welcome to it, though I suspect you would not actually like Mad Max, as much as you convince yourself you are prepared for it.

You should be willing to accept---this is democracy, after all---that some people read the logline of this site, and are well aware that rain or shine, feast or famine, muddle through or collapse, they're all pushing daisies in the long run.  Some have decided that, rather than awaken each and every day and go to sleep each and every night full of anger and bitterness because they cannot have everything their way, they try to salvage a little bit of enjoyment from life as it is.  They have decided that living that way, despite the fact others would call it shallow, is preferable to 80 odd years of self-inflicted misery.  It's a personal choice, and everyone gets one.  You can't fault others for exercising their right of choice.  I might agree with one or more of your points, but damn if I have any right, or even any expectation, that I can impose that on others.

Next time get born King and you can make, and impose, all the rules.  Until then, you're just one man, one vote.  Sorry.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 09:33 | 4044675 N2OJoe
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Stopped reading at "---this is democracy, after all---"

I don't accept false premises.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 23:11 | 4043854 QQQBall
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and read "Your Money or Your Life." Live below your means, save and invest.  No debt feels good... I have been so long w/o a mortgage the thought of writing a BANK a check every month is unappealing. OF course, driving an older beater will get you some strange looks, but fuck 'em it is paid for. You could almost plan for success by being absolutely contrary to most people. By success I mean financial freedom whatever that means individually. My kids have alot of trouble giving me B-day gifts, because I have what I want, and buying my junk will just get thrown back at them. .   

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 23:58 | 4043929 acetinker
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Yeah, and driving an old beater will get you pulled over and jailed, too.  I ain't shittin' you, I was at my place of business (I own the motherfucker) at a late hour catching up on what I call "skirt work" (sorry, ladies).  Upon leaving, an undercover cop pulled me over in an un-marked car and demanded I get out of mine.  An exchange ensued- I am an asshole, after all- he pulled his gun and I said "bye-bye".

So this asshole went to jail, after encountering a roadblock.  The fuckheads charged me with dui.  Do they have evidence?  No.  Does it matter?  No.  Guilty until proven innocent.  So, I have a dozen or so of America's finest with affidavits that say I'm guilty.  I got no choice, I have to plead to a lesser charge, pay fines, do community service, pay some other asshole to "evaluate" me, and then pay some other asshole to rehabilitate me.  Oh, and don't forget the "bonding fees" and towing charges, and of course the fucking leeching lawyer.

I do these things, or my livelihood withers away.

Changing gears;

Remember when your kids were little, and they'd bring you perfectly worthless stuff from the yard (pee-pee flowers) or some little pasteboard thing they'd made?  NEVER reject gifts from your kids.  If you do, it reflects more on you than it does on them.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 00:28 | 4043969 TheMerryPrankster
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Thats a grand tale but i'm not sure the beater car had much to do with your fate.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 20:21 | 4046862 acetinker
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It is a grand tale, and it actually happened.  However, you missed the main point, Prankster.  You needn't be guilty of anything, in this day and age, only accused.

If you can't prove a negative, it's off to the hoosegow for you!  Nobody can prove a negative.

Sleep well, Prankster.  Your day will come.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 03:01 | 4044085 Freddie
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+1 million

Pull the plug in TV and Hollywood totally or keep being one of their sheep.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:34 | 4043604 Teddy Tenpole
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off topic but is that (Kruger) Rand or (Ayn)?

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:52 | 4043480 Skateboarder
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Forecasts can be revised, i.e. 'turn that frown upside down!'

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:56 | 4043495 nmewn
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We expected a trillion locusts...only got a billion...bullish!!!

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:53 | 4043484 max2205
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Anyone notice all the earnings warnings the last week or so....

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:56 | 4043486 nmewn
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336...thousand...new...unemployment claims today. Moar than expected.

Surprising, yes, I know...lol.

Watch this other hand...

 

 

Down here ;-)

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:35 | 4043609 PAWNMAN
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Now just wait a second. Didn't you see a glitch in some computer in California caused the spike in initial claims!?! As if ANY statistic from the gubbermint means anything anymore. Why isn't there ever a "glitch" when the number beats forecasts? I call B.S!

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:56 | 4043488 q99x2
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Lessig has to get that nest of vipers that he's in with up there at Stanford to start filing suits and organizing academia to stop financial tyranny.

Somebody do something.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 20:58 | 4043497 Teddy Tenpole
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hey tyler, when the fuck you gonna realize that bad news is good and that's when to be long?  such great info on here but your spin has been WRONG for 5 yeras.

funny, even bill gross sort of figured it out

don't get me wrong, watching boomer doomers have to work until they die is poetic justice for that greedy cunt generation

they're all herded up into fixed income and yield driven things...  hmmmm, where's the bubble?

 

just sayin'

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:12 | 4043540 perchprism
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The bubble's in your fucking skull, dumbass.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:20 | 4043549 Teddy Tenpole
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so witty :)

 

great avatar too perch

 

princeton?

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:27 | 4043588 Zer0head
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Teddy, how do you spell

"sentance"?

 

Nothing wrong with a troll lurking about, unless they are illiterate.

Teddy, can you spell illiterate?

Can you use it in a sentance?

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:38 | 4043624 Teddy Tenpole
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hey, the bully gang is all here!

 

thx zero, i'll work on my grammar too

 

ZH, about as much freedom of expression as... hmmm, no matter

 

just curious, your views on Dee Snyder?

 

 

 

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:43 | 4043642 Teddy Tenpole
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I cn barely type.....

 

Zero, you made my year, I had forgot about this gem but for whatever reason you remind me of it,

 

Enjoy:

http://youtu.be/OQSNhk5ICTI

omg

 

 

 

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:54 | 4043668 WillyGroper
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fucku, titty pinpole

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:11 | 4043712 Teddy Tenpole
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is Zh a Princeton economics alumni blog?

 

Come on Willy, really?

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:56 | 4043673 Lednbrass
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Wrong? How?

If the Tylers had said " On x date things are going to go boom" that would be one thing, but nothing of the sort has happened.  The only thing this site does is point out the repeated lies, inconsistencies, and general nonsense going on in the realms of finance, government, and the ever growing area where they overlap.

If a mechanic observes a car leaking radiator fluid and oil and says "Well, sooner or later something has to blow" it does not make them incorrect if it doesn't happen in a week, a month, or a year.  There are a number of complex interactions going on under the hood that will affect the time it takes for the whole apparatus to cease functioning, but cease it inevitably must.

Seems that you are likely the victim of a short attention span to whom five years is a vast stretch of time; the decline and inevitable destruction of political and monetary systems plays out over years and decades. The "what" is as inevitable as the sunrise, only the "when" is in question. In the meantime, this place is invaluable in pointing out the cracks spiderwebbing through the foundations of those systems.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:09 | 4043703 Teddy Tenpole
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agreed.  all i'm saying is that the spin has been dead wrong.  i do like it here and get a kick out of the anger factor.  you do realize that if you opened your mind and engaged in a discussion of the great info on here that EVERYBODY would profit -- and be a lot less angry.

funny, i get accused of so many things in the replies and yet many posts I read are truly moronic.  i know I shouldn't poke fun but just so you know I only do it to the arrogant cunts :)

believe me, if i knew how to end the fed I would.  i want to puke when i think about those cunts wallowing in the their wealth.

you? 

 

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:27 | 4043752 Golden_Rule
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bad news means buy.... and that is logical to you...  Yup, Bernankynomics has taken seed.  Two steps from reality is just playing in limbo, waiting for enough people to wake up and say "what the fuck are we doing?".

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:41 | 4043802 Teddy Tenpole
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yes, it is logical actually

 

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 00:07 | 4043939 ebworthen
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Good Lord, generation bashing?

That is so 60's!  Get with the program.

Who was it that made a fortune over the 2008-9 collapse? 

Those doomers who pointed out that is was all bullshit and were right eventually.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:01 | 4043500 NOZZLE
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Markets up 323, who cares about your charts showing GDP sucking pipe like Barry Soetero at Oxy-U, apparently BTFD and BTFATH is the way to go,

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:01 | 4043506 Seasmoke
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Time to bring in the party monkeys and turn those charts upside down !!

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:12 | 4043543 Teddy Tenpole
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+1 trillion dolla coin

 

made my day

 

seasmoke, you rock!

 

http://youtu.be/M1owcncKCHg

 

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:02 | 4043512 MrBoompi
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This is what Professor Fekete is calling hyperdeflation. Despite unprecedented money printing, the negative slide cannot be stopped. This QE and other forms of monetary injection are not getting into the hands of people who can pump up GDP.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:47 | 4043652 insanelysane
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Professor Fekete is a moron.  GDP is what we tell you it is.  World GDP is going to infinity exponentially.  We have already written all of the GDP reports for the next 40 years.

 

-Joint statement IMF, ECB, FED

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:07 | 4043526 Teddy Tenpole
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Good grief Charlie Brown.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:46 | 4043647 Mike in GA
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Live simply so that others may simply live.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:50 | 4043658 Teddy Tenpole
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did Axl cover that one?

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:49 | 4043660 Hohum
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GDP is merely a measure of economic activity.  Or how fast humans can destroy the world.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 00:45 | 4043982 Seer
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GDP is basically the bell Pavlov used...

Humans cannot destroy the world.  They can, however, fuck it up so bad that they can no longer live on it. To be fair, however, the next glacial period will sweep all of this into the galactic waste-bin.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 21:55 | 4043669 wisehiney
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 Family Dollar FDO  CEO Howard Levine said Wednesday. The discounter’s fiscal fourth-quarter same-store sales and outlooks both missed expectations. “We have over half of our customers who are on some sort of government assistance out there, so when they hear and read
about all this uncertainty , I think it impacts their confidence regarding their outlook.”

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:22 | 4043737 Ricky Roma
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Janet Yellen still looks like a Romulan.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 00:18 | 4043957 TheMerryPrankster
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Thats an insult to romulans. She looks more like those  jughead fuckwad Ferengi or perhaps a Ferengi's genitalia.

Fed economist, an oxymoron.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:22 | 4043743 orangegeek
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Solution:  Make up bigger lies.

 

GDP forecast is 4.5% - there, fixed it.

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:24 | 4043746 MedicalQuack
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It's time to put these folks on Pay for Performance...get Congress a Wellness portal so they can enter all their information so we can begin running risk metrics:)

The portals as insurers and their wellness companies all push on us normal citizens say they can even fix worst cases of behavior...so I'm up for some behavior modifications...and some behavioral predictive algorithms to use on this bunch for sure...Time for us to unite and use some of those models the insurers ram down our throats as being the perfect "fix" for all that does or does not ail us...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/congress-needs-wellness-portal-as...

Besides we all know those portals scrape and sell your data too so why can't we as citizens  begin to profit there as well:)

Thu, 10/10/2013 - 22:25 | 4043748 Ricky Roma
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If I was a momo, I would short Global GDP, long top ramen.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 00:42 | 4043976 mobydick
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IMF calls for a tax on household In a report, the IMF is concerned about the European sovereign debt and proposes a 10% tax on household savings to fix it!

A small paragraph at the end of a document 49 pages in a report the IMF . The type of document that is just starting to read the end. A paragraph in the form of proposition and if a sample once and for all on the one created capital?

Obviously there is a question mark, but also a robust reasoning. Indebtedness advanced countries is such that it has no choice. A tax on private savings has the advantage of not disturbing the system. Some even say it is right.

Tax levied once

But this requires two conditions. Nobody can escape and be absolutely certain that it will be charged only once.

The report discusses the work of several economists based on historical examples where the assumption was considered to deleverage States.

Then he says if you want to return to debt levels before the crisis and the calculations for 15 countries in the euro zone, it should put in place a 10% tax on all households with a positive savings.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 00:53 | 4043991 Seer
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Someone needs to ask these folks HOW shifting around the pie is going to make the pie bigger (or, as GW Bush famously said: "Make the pie higher").

Like I've been saying, growth is DEAD.  Mother Nature has caught us.  We're starting to pay for our ignorance of the exponential function (belief in the perpetual growth meme).

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 05:41 | 4044158 Urban Redneck
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Do you have a link to the IMF paper, Hollande's truffle pigs and their proposed solutions for his little domestic mess don't really concern me, and there weren't any IMF links in the articles.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 11:30 | 4045211 Urban Redneck
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The actual IMF wording is FAR WORSE than the translation- and glosses over the key point.

106 pages see box 6 on p 49.

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fm/2013/02/fmindex.htm

"The appeal is that such a tax, IF IT IS IMPLEMENTED BEFORE AVOIDANCE IS POSSIBLE and there is a belief that it will never be repeated, does not distort behavior... There is a surprisingly large amount of experience to draw on... this
experience suggests that more notable than any loss of
credibility was a simple failure to achieve debt reduction,
largely because the delay in introduction gave space for extensive avoidance and capital flight—in turn spurring inflation."

WHEN IT GETS SERIOUS YOU HAVE TO LIE.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 02:02 | 4044058 mobydick
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So only the lying, cheating, crooked bloody Chinks are being honest about what is going on with the Shanghai index down 1% since the beginning of the year. Other markets:-

Dow +18%

FTSE +13%

Dax +14%

CAC +19%

Ibex +23%

Nikkei +40%

Australia +18%

 

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 02:30 | 4044071 katchum
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How can the stock market go up 10% a year, when GDP growth forecasts keep declining?

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 03:02 | 4044086 mobydick
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The new normal. The only way you can understand it is by taking a lot of pain killers. My own personal favourite - Jack Daniels.

Fri, 10/11/2013 - 05:55 | 4044164 ArmyofOne
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Who needs growth anyway?  Thats so 1990s.  Today we have central bank stimulus and all is right in the world.  Don't believe me then look at the stock markets.  Whew, now thats more like it.

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