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Republicans Fold Again? - Propose Debt-Limit Raise And End Shutdown In Return For Spending "Talks"
It would appear, judging by the market's response and the headlines, that Obama's "unconditional surrender or default" negiotiating tactic has worked... According to AP, the Republicans look to have folded once again:
- *HOUSE REPUBLICANS SAID TO OFFER PLAN ON SHUTDOWN, DEBT LIMIT
- *REPUBLICANS SAID TO SEEK TALKS ON REDUCING U.S. SPENDING
The House Republicans are apparently waiting to hear back from the White House on this latest proposal - which amounts to - our translation - "Ok, you can have your government re-opened, and we'll let you raise the debt ceiling... as long as you really really promise to talk about spending cuts at some point in the future maybe possible please."
Via AP,
Officials say House Republicans are offering to pass legislation to avert a default and end the partial government shutdown as part of a package that includes cuts in benefit programs.
Senior aides to Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Eric Cantor outlined the proposal at a late-night White House meeting Thursday with senior administration officials.
In addition to ending the shutdown and increasing the debt limit, the proposal includes an easing of the across-the-board spending cuts that began taking effect a year ago, and replacing them with curbs in benefit programs that Obama himself has backed.
Among them is a plan to raise the cost of Medicare for better-off beneficiaries.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss private deliberations.
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The negotiating strategy where you give up all your leverage works everytime!
A++++ Republicans!
/s
Exactly how does one go long the free shit army?
Here it is……
Hitler Reacts to the Government Shutdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzMwA4wl88
Country went to shit
Republicans fold!
Was there ever any doubt?
In wartime, I'd rather be in a foxhole with French Troops instead of the Republicans in Congress. Cowards!
better cheese and less cheesy smiles, eh?
.. a little too much credit to Fox and a lot of wishful thinking.
but a good and funny effort nonetheless.
I enjoy a good Hitler. :-)
Republicans starting with Boner are tough talking Anus losers ie. They only talk tough in front of a Television Camera but when push comes to shove they urinate in their pants and bow down to Lord Obama.
Bohemer Was just Spotted Again Weeping Uncontrollably...
ok, I'll let you ..
but afterwards you promise you'll call me
right?
you'll call me
right?
Just the tip.
Followed by the whole shaft.
Well-off Medicare beneficiaries = rich old people = vote Republican. So the Republicans agreed to give Obama what he wanted in return for a chance to cut benefits for their core voters.
And that's with Obama being such an amateur. Imagine if he were a pro ...
Oh holy shit! Why don't we just get to calling the two parties the Deomcrats and the Democrats. Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos. (Actually I voted Libertarian straight through the ticket. Some fucking good it does when all the assholes around me think they have to choose either the D or the R.)
WB7 needs a good "donkey in an elephant suit" pic.
The orange man caved.....again.
Color me shocked.
It's fake. It's a show. Like wrestling. Sorry your team didn't "win."
VOTE REPUBLICAN.
There's nothing the republicans can do to make me not like them.
Like a magnet. Look at that republican. Amazing!
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL PUSSY.
http://www.gop.com/
Would you buy a used government from this man?
I think the Violent Femmes put this situation in proper context with their song "Fat."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmF3Ze3nKYc
"Would you buy a used government from this man?"
Hey now....we've got the best government money can buy.
Damn, that's a small clitoris, but the banks and corporations sure know how to find it!
Boener...fuck you. You worthless pos
Oh yeah! I remember when the preacher would stand outside the vestibule and shake your hand after church!
Now I understand why Boner's congressional office is decorated with meat curtains.
We are under Martial Law. Hope you like Obummer because he's now permanent.
True, the only real threat is that of impeachment, conviction and removal from office (all three must be accomplished). Pelosi firmly removed that from the "table" back under Bush II. In so doing she started the quid pro quo, now no-one can be impeached. The Republicans are the minority party, they could not win. They should pick their battles more wisely and persue there goals when they are in the majority. When they were, under Bush II, they initiated the biggest increase in federal spending ever, in the form of Homeland Security. Sorry, no vote for Reps.
I feel the need for a Rounders/Teddy KGB quote here somehow.....
"You can't believe what happened, what cards fell. All your dreams, kaput...."
Yes, that's why there's a question mark in the headline.
Political Theatre....nothing more.
One party system.
"It's a "big club"....and you ain't in it."
Miss ya George.
If this is true Repubs caved their party is over they might as well close up shop.
The GOP was a dead party on a national level for some time now. The time of death just hasn't been called.
Stick a fork in 'em'.
Whats amazing to me is how these institutions and individuals WITH NO CREDIBILITY somehow manage to lose credibility.
They wont be missed. The Democrats can absorb the ones who have been hiding under the sheets all this time.
The official death certificate cannot be wriiten fast enough!
Wounded, not yet dead. These things take time. Beware the wounded animal, he may well maul you. I fear the Reps death struggles, they may very well take us all down with them.
The Republic is dead.
That's right. Actually, the GOP's fate was sealed in 1980, when Reagan was able to marry up the evangelicals with the traditional white-shoe Republican Party, and still pull moderate Democrats into his fold.
It was never a problem for him, but Bush Sr. had to shift his positions on the social issues to get elected. That began the slow bleed of more middle of the road and moderate Reagan Republicans, as those who were more socially liberal but fiscally conservative began to feel evermore allienated.
Bush 2 was comfortable with the evangelicals, and he had the business community with him. Too bad he let the neo-cons lead him around by the nose and into stupid wars, and at the same time turned the FRIE industry loose on the middle class, gave us the Patriot Act, stood by as the charlatans who were pandering to the evangelicals beat up on women's rights, civil rights, education programs, the environment, etc.
Now this is not an argument about right or wrong, but simply observations about trends. To keep this odd alliance of business and church cobbled together, they have been driving off the youth vote, the women's vote, and what ever minoriity voters they once had. By the time he left office, even Barrack Obama looked pretty good.
When the Tea Party burst on the scene, they were very quickly bought off by shadowy money ultimately traced to right-wing GOP groups, and their original principals about taxation became diluted with abortion battles, voting rights fights, and all the other right-wing demands.....pushing women and yuouth even further away.
Now, this. Does this seem like a party destined to do great things?
I have no idea what the answer is, but we need some 3rd way.....some way where the politicians go back to working for the greater good instead of the cronies on "their side". This corporate sponsorship of politics means the end of America, and you can thank the Supreme Court for that.......corporations are people, my friend.
That's a good analysis and primarily my observations as I watched events unfold over the course of my life time. As far as a third way I don't know what the answer is (well actually I do, but I don't think the iSheeple have the stomach for it). It seems to me that we need at least two more parties to the system, but I don't know how that happens without them being corrupted by thw two existing parties. Even if another party would be successful in forming the democins and the republicrats would stand together to squash any up and coming trouble makers.
If this doesn't wake up red team supporters, nothing will. It'll prove once and for all that they're even more retarded than blue team supporters, truly an astounding feat.
This "lesser of two evils" shit don't work, peeps. Wake the fuck up.
I'm up. Told my Congresscritter (R-VA) he could go fuck himself. Done.
I was done - finito, forever - in November 2012 when Ron Paul got pushed out and dissed by both parties. Now I only care about my family and close friends; everybody else can fuck off and die.
Oh, we forgot to say "We're really, really sorry!!!"
Sincerely,
Repub Wimp Caucus and our fearless leader JB
Call up the DNC, say you want to make a huge contribution and you're concerned about Global Warming (no, wait, don't call it that- they'll know you're a fake. Global CLIMATE CHANGE) and, of course, about gun control and "the children".
Then tell them you run a green energy company and your enterprise could use a little "governement juice". You'll get millions, possibly billions that you can simply put in your pocket and your family and friend's pockets.
That's the big-boy way to go long the free shit army.
If any of these companies are public, I have been doing my best to front-run this all along...
Go ahead, let us all know how that works out for you.
Make sure you don't forget to write a nice check come election season (and that logic works for the RNC too, you just need to have a security company of some kind to get the dough instead of green energy).
Step 1: Assess financial status. If savings exist, spend all savings. If employed, quit job.
Step 2: Sign up for a choomphone and EBT, and all other welfare services offered for that matter. Don't forget to take out a student loan and attend those Medieval Studies lectures.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit.
Step three has to be selling ObamaChia Pet Heads to the bankrupt white house gift shop, right?
With an alpua sniper rifle perhaps.
AWESOME JOB REPUBS!
Boner sings to Obama:
Now we don't trust you-
And this is crazy!
But here's our number
So call us maybe?
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) a Tea Party favorite just confirmed it live on the radio. Boehner is selling us out! (shocking, not)
Bluffdale must have set up a generator to supply some power and managed to get the necessary blackmail on Boner.
We're hoping Louie stays in the house and goes for Speaker and not break for a Senate run. We have a Jeffersonian running for Cornyn's job. He's a gold bug and RP fan.
www.texansforstovall.com
Even if they hold to the just a "6 week" extention and not open the government. Doesn't that reset the "extraordinary funding measures" and essentially turn into ~ 5 months before we return to the same place?
Tyler's use of the Holy Grail "Killer Rabbit" scene is brilliant. Boner reminds me of a "Brave Sir Robin" scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
knife in the back with the smiling faces getting old one wonders how many like myself have left the GOP over the last 10 years..feels like the gop will have a come to jesus moment, but it will not be reported - you know the 2 party system is in the consititution ...oh wait.
What leverage? They had none when they started, which is why it was obvious to anyone outside the echo chamber how this would end.
You can be right, and still be dumb.....obviously.
But not happening apparently.
Call the Red Team a gynocologist, stat!
No kidding. Need to send them to a battered women's shelter
Of course they folded, they believe in Kenyesian economics god damn it,
There's a reason why that term is forbidden amongst the elite to even be spoken on MSM, because its where all the power really is! Oh we can talk all day about Gays and Abortion, and socialism and communism and feminism and religion this and that, when's the last time you heard a debate or attack on Kenyesian economics????
If you say the word on MSM, they go to commercial or all the other guests start laughing, when has a Politican used the term in a campaign speech you can remember, anywhere for any office???
Come on people, start focusing your rage toward the real enemy of every American and get a political party together who wants to REALLY challenge this BS on these grounds, and maybe things will start to change, but this BS currently is controlled by 95% Kenyesians...........and you think they weren't going to expand debt, borrow more, and print more??????
No one ever got banned from ZH for criticizing Keynesian economics. Lets put it that way.
Lol
ZH is the mainstream media now huh, read what I said!
Do me a favor, put a glass a water on the table and drink when you hear that word brought up on MSM on TV
Bloomberg, CNBC, FOX Business, CNN, MSNBC, Networks etc
I suspect you'll be dead in two days!
Congress no longer serves a purpose. I am voting all incumbents out. I don't even care who the other candidate is. Its a weak and feckless institution lacking any conviction whatsoever. Our speaker cries on TV like a little bitch, fuck em.
"I am voting all incumbents out"
And you really think that is going to change anything?!?!?! You poor, delusional bastard . . .
MFB
fuck u bohener u fucking douchebag, keep fucking giving into that bastard president.
u r such a fucking sucker, its pathetic. great way to assure that you are taken seriously in the future.
Establishment GOP RINO'S are nothing more than a bunch of bought out hypocrite COCKSUCKERZ!! As long as their pockets are lined they will fall in line. A den of vipers, all of them. They must go.
Re: They must go
To be replace by other big-money people. The "Conservatives" and "Progressives" are living in the same fantasyland. It takes LOTS of money to run for Federal seats. Who has lots of money? Big corporations. What do Big corporations need more than anything else?
They need the Big-Gov scams to keep going.
Sorry Charlie, ya should pushed for public financing of elections 40 years ago. The elections now are just Kabuki for the dumbasses who think voting means democracy.
I seriously doubt that it's a complete capitulation. Not with indices trailing ATH. After all, it is DC we are talking about. We will see.
it's really too early for the Repubs to cave, it's several days until the debt ceiling is reached.
unless Bonehead really is a pussy.
yes, he really is a fucking pussy.
Boner is the Biggest Fucking PUSSY in Washington. He must give-up the Gavel. NOW! He must have gotten a really good-sloppy BJ from Obama. Barry is Gay you know.
But we don't know like you know, ya know?
Great, another Red Team proposal to "cut" government. Let's see, I'm guessing it will be Amtrak and NPR again, oh and NEA.
We sure can't expect any cuts to Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Energy, Big-House, Big-Fin, Big-OldFart, Big-OldFartHealthcare, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState.
Git yer hands off my Big-Gov scam; that's not socialism, that's an investment in our children's future!
The way I read it is, not only are the Repub's going to agree to raise the debt ceiling, and end the govt shutdown, but they are also going to increase spending for promises of cuts in the future(which, as usual, will never materialize).
In other words, this would be worse than a complete capitulation, if that's possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCcV5sVi5NM
Relax, it won't even be real reductions. It'll just be proposed reductions of future increases, which will get promptly shot down anyways.
I hope there's another super-committee this time. I love this show!
/sarc
it's a good thing they are caving now.. before O and Reid started using harsh language.
For Democrats 'terrorist' and 'bomb belt' are polite conversation. Wait until they open up.
Boner will cry, right?
Slowdown please. I'm not caught up yet. I am still reading about wednesdays proposed deal
Haha. They are even getting rid of the sequester spending limits. So raise taxes on Medicare, raise spending and lift the debt ceiling. Good lord, Obama wasn't even asking for all that LOL
Re; They are even getting rid of the sequester spending limits.
I think Nixon and Cheney said (in different ways): We're all "Keynesians" now.
No, Cheney said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter", which is even worse than Keynesian policy.
"Conserving what?", says I.
Exactly how I read it too. Worse than a complete capitulation.
Time to cut NPR again. They are going to have to dig deep this time.
Big bird is on the chopping block this thanksgiving, no compromise.
Republicans are the Stupid Party.
Democrats are the Evil Party.
Lewis Black: "The only thing dumber than a Democrat or a Republican is when those pricks work together. You see, in our two-party system, the Democrats are the party of no ideas and the Republicans are the party of bad ideas. It usually goes something like this: A Republican will stand up in Congress and say, "I'VE GOT A REALLY BAD IDEA!", and a Democrat will immediately jump to his feet and declare, "AND I CAN MAKE IT SHITTIER!"
Democrats are the Stupid Party
Republicans are the Evil Party
2 sides of the same coin.........both stupid, both evil.
Fully expected, and I have profited handsomely from it too. Here is the thing that gets me. The red team iSheeple claim they want to control spending, and the blue team iSheeple claim spend more and tax more, but when their "representatives" try to stand their ground on these issues, the iSheeple get all pissed off. They don't know what the fuck they want.
I'll give you all I have left if you'll just please talk to me.
Please...!
Boehner - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Again.
BONER IS THE BIGGEST, MOST WORTHLESS FUCKING CUNT EVER ! FU too cantor, you worthless clit face. Clear enough?
I'm telling you, this cabal of left/right ass-clowns is going to fuck us over coming and going!
The Kleptoligarchy will not be denied!
Don't vote! It's all a lie!
Kill the beast!
They don't need your vote. Diebold's got their back.
Joke. Like Syria, this debt nonsense is yet another false crisis to get resolved in order to ramp the market to new highs.
As I said before, light your lamps fellow spelunkers, we are entering the cave.
... because incurring even more debt is fiscally responsible...
Can't wait till this unending shutdown and debt limit fiasco is eradicated frrom the headlines.
Then we can return to 24-7 consideration of the "taper." When? How much? et al
Don't forget American exceptionalism. Oh, wait...
keep fucking pumping this fucking shit up.
wasnt yesterdays rally pricing in a fucking deal, so why the fuck is this shit rallying again?
as every day passes, i want something really bad to happen on wall st, like today. i hate these fuckers more than anyone in the world.
they are so predictable, no question about it, have to keep the status quo
Pussy's
Other than comedic relief, what was accomplished in the past week? If the deal is signed Tuesday, will the govt workers still be paid double on Monday? Holiday and Shutdown pay. just asking
That's what happens when you write checks your ass can't cover..... They'd had more leverage without attaching Obamacare as an issue. Stick strictly to spending and let the ACA sink or swim under its own weight.
They're all cheese dicks.
None of us are represented in the black hole of DC...
The pictures with little boys have obviously been shown to them
f*ck this, hard. as long as they sack the head of the national parks department, I guess it's all show. right? 20 T in debt inside of a year, what's the difference.
Maybe their plan is just to let them have Obamacare in all its glory and then capitalize on the failure of it. Nawww, they aren't that smart.
God Damn mutherfuckers fold again like cheap fucking lard. Fuck um all....particularly "CRY BABY BONER"
and all the orange drained out of Boehner's face
God Damn mutherfuckers fold again like cheap fucking lard. Fuck um all....particularly "CRY BABY BONER"
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-america-needs-a-debt-default-2013-10-11
Why America needs a debt 'default'
Commentary: Is it time to hit the reset button?
By Anthony Mirhaydari
It's clear the fiscal fight in Washington isn't going to end anytime soon.
Sure, a short-extension to the debt ceiling is under discussion, according to reports, but that will only open the door to contentious budget talks over issues like entitlement reform and changes to the tax code. The two parties remain far apart: Republicans want to balance the budget in 10 years, while Democrats want another trillion in taxes and spending.
There's too much at stake and the choices are tough. But what if we didn't have to make it?
What if we took the easy way out that didn't require the sacrifices — such as higher taxes, lower spending, and fewer entitlement benefits — that Democrats and Republicans are playing hardball over in the first place?
What if we could avoid the nightmare that would be a debt-ceiling breech, which would force us to choose between ruining the Treasury's reputation as a risk-free investment but provide checks to seniors on Social Security, or leave grandma in the lurch but pay our creditors in Tokyo and Beijing?
The more I think about the extent of the problems facing this country, the more apparent it is that a hard reset is needed. I'm talking about a debt default, but not in the traditional sense. And the Federal Reserve would play a key role.
Boehner has met all of the kidnapper's demands. If he pays Obama's ransom, he's just hoping they won't kill the hostage! The hostage is already dead and Boehner will have coronated Emperor Caesar Obama! He will have emboldened the Dictator of Debt to do literally ANYTHING he wants.
And Wall St rejoices the end of liberty!
"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
Wonder what he would say about the gutless wonders (R)......Fed = Kraken
The Die is cast: The GOP will get creamed in the 2014 mid-term elections for this betrayal. The Dems have a big Election 'Woodie' already.
Like I said yesterday (4042388), the 2016 Presidential Candidates are where on this issue? What say ye, Bush3, etc? [crickets]
GOP is no more
now we'll see if Cruz and Rand are the real thing, if they goe independent
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The GOP has a national apparatus that Cruz/Rand/etc. would want to co-op for 2016 that traditional mushies like Jeb and NJFattie will want to use themselves.
I think the libertarian guys will focus on taking over the national GOP apparatus rather then starting from scratch as independents.
The soul of the GOP (and Merica's 2 party system) hangs in the balance!
Tune in next week - same bad time, same bad channel.
Them good ole boys were drinking whiskey in Rye
Singin' this'll be the day the tea party dies
This'll be the day the tea party dies
And they were singing...
Boehner is Obama's bitch. They are nothing but cowards worried about what the media says. Has anyone witness so much BS coming out the media on Obama's behalf lately? This country is run by clowns and their masters.
This was the last time they will have leverage over Obama and just threw it away. The country is doomed.
Once Obamascare is funded, the end will be near. People will soonrealize how screwed they really are and won't be able to do a thing about it............Serves them right for bending over.
Roll the guillotines! Hang that orange roach BONER first!
Republicans are a bunch of women, they will spread their legs as long as they can "talk" afterwards.
Constrain these villains with the chains of the constitution, and if that don't work, with chains.
Bullish for the Libertarian Party, hopefully. Then again, politics will never solve this...
Bullish for secession.
That's racist, don't you know ?
I have a nightmare where Texas goes, but all the other shit red states (OK, MS, AR, AL, etc ad nauseam) remain behind.
I haven't done the math to confirm, but I think it could be a net win if every state that went for Romney left the union (based on tax revenue and spending per capita differentials).
One of my 'endgames', post USD collapse, is the US being Balkanized.
ive never seen such a giant group of pussies in my life...
"I already spoke about spending cuts....back in 2006, when I was against raising the ceiling. Now, screw you."
Fuk it, I won't vote ever again. Give the democraps the whole thing, that way it all burns down sooner
Yes. Let the statists fiddle with the contraption until collapse. Got to make sure no conservatives, libertarians, an-caps, etc are around. It will be fun to watch them from afar trying to blame this on people they can't find! An Hobbesian war...minus the smart people.
Good cop / bad cop. Both play for the same team manager. The Fed makes no money off of a balanced budget.
This was just as logical as the attacks on paper metals.
The Repubiican strategy was doomed from the beginning. In 1996 Newt Gingrinch was demonized by Bill Clinton when he closed the government. It ultimately cost him his speakership. Why the Republicans can adopt a more rational approach is a mystery to me. Obamacare looks like it is going to fail on all of its key goals. The Republicans should get out of the way and let the Democrats own this epic catastrophe. Instead we get a sideshow on closing the government and the debt ceiling that they could never win. Obama is not a great politician, but the Republican leadership are fools. This misguided strategy has set back the cause of fiscally responsible government for years.
Eureka! I have found a Gingrich Sympathizer, a species thought long extinct. These creatures once roamed the land, loudly bellowing across the media swamps about market deregulation, free trade, fidelity, and amnesty. Just wait til the guys at the journal hear about this!
The joke is on the public which particpates in the soap opera. I doubt there has been a more stupid group. Deer in headlights are smarter. Government robs you, rapes you, leaves you for dead, and demands your children line up and go to war. And you murmur, but of course, I'm an accredited investor it should be this way.
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I'm interesting in seeing these "cuts" in benefit programs. Washington's definition for a cut is, "We'll still spend more, just at a slower rate."
With QE Yellen taking the Federal Reserve chair in early 2014 and if the Dems take the House in 2014 then the race to US insolvency will be much faster then we think. Look at the damage the Dems did with their majorities in 2008 - 2010, and imagine them with a lock on Congress in 2014 - 2016. We are facing economic, political, and social disaster, and we are racing toward this catastrophe at full speed (no thanks to the apparent failure of the Republicans).
This is terrible for retirees: "Among them is a plan to raise the cost of Medicare for better-off beneficiaries". This is a TAX on middle class retirees.
So the Republicans will not only give Obummer what he wants but also screw retirees? WTF!
Have the Republicans lost their minds? Do they still have a mind? Did they ever have a mind?
Consign then all, DemocRATS, RepubiSHITS, OMarxist, the sociopathis elites, all of them to the toilet and flush it!
This country needs a reset. We need to fold up the Federal Gov and devolve its power down to the States, or the US needs to be broken up into several sovereign regional republics.
Anything but this, this slow grinding death by a thousand cuts by smiling sadists, and then the sudden catastrophic collapse.
I told my dog to rollover for the fun of it and she said what do I look like, John Boehner?
I seem to remember at the RNC, republicans screaming down Ron Paul supporters, chanting "USA, USA, USA", changing the rules to take his delegates, as they nominated the former governor from Taxachusettes who pushed through Obamacare light and promised to keep social security intact.
The republican party is dead. You're nothing more than democrats. You can't even get a concession from them. You have no credibility. No great ideological movement. Most of your politicians can't form a cogent argument to the $200 trillion off balance sheet liability, the failure of TBTF, TARP, immigration, or even Obamacare (which Newt "I'm a womanizing, drug abusing fabian socialist" Gingrich has been telling you that this country need compulsory health insurance mandates since 1990).
There is never a reason to vote for a republican ever again.
Packs (from Crowds and Power) by Elias Canetti
Canetti looks at the origins of human gathering in "packs." "Without precise knowledge of [the pack]," he says, "no social event, whatever, of any kind, can be understood at all."
So true, and elegant in simplicity.
We are now as we have always been - Tribal, which is just another way of saying pack animals.