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Foodstamp Nation In Turmoil: EBT System Goes Dark, "Glitch" Blamed

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In the past five years it has become apparent that America can survive a near-fatal financial system collapse, an economy teetering on the edge and kept ticking only thanks to the Fed's now perpetual QE, a collapsing standard of living for everyone but the wealthiest 0.1%, declining wages, zero interest rates, surging food, energy, rent, tuition and welfare costs, and pretty much everything else, as long as the welfare state keeps humming along. Any be welfare state we mostly mean providing the daily bread to the nearly 50 million Americans living in poverty and surviving only thanks to the only thing to have exploded to epic record highs under Obama (in addition to the Fed's balance sheet of course): foodstamp usage. However, the true stability of the US may be tested very soon following reports that due to a "possible computer glitch" the Electronic Benefits Transfer System, aka EBT, ala Foodstamps, is offline. Cue mass panic among the best-weaponized population in the world. Naturally, this latest fiasco involving a country that has grown accustomed to sucking on the government's teat was immediately blamed on a "glitch" - just like everything else that is slowly but surely breaking in the New Normal.

CBS reports:

Reports from around the country began pouring in around 9 a.m. on Saturday that customers’ EBT cards were not working in stores. The glitch, however, did not appear to be part of the government shutdown. At 2 p.m., an EBT customer service representative told CBS Boston that the system was currently down for a computer system upgrade.


The representative said the glitch is affecting people nationwide. She could not say when officials expected the system to be restored.


People calling the customer service line were being told to call back later.


State officials said they were preparing a statement to further explain the issue.


The federal EBT website was unavailable due to the government shutdown.

AP adds:

People in Ohio, Michigan and several other states found themselves unable to use their food stamp debit cards on Saturday, after a routine check by vendor Xerox Corp. resulted in a system failure. Shoppers from Maine to Oklahoma had to abandon baskets of groceries because they couldn't access their benefits.


Ohio's cash and food assistance card payment systems went down at 11 a.m., said Benjamin Johnson, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Ohio's cash system has been fixed, however its electronic benefits transfer card system is still down. All states that use Xerox systems are affected by the outage.


Xerox spokeswoman Karen Arena confirmed via email Saturday afternoon that some EBT systems are experiencing temporary connectivity issues. She said technical staff is addressing the issue and expects the system to be restored soon.

As a reminder, this is how many Americans and households were on foodstamps as of the most recent monthly update (hint: a record).


And now, it's time for the sequel to @MrEBT's hit masterpiece: "My EBT... has been rejected."



Xerox Statement on Temporary EBT Systems Outage

During a routine test of our back-up systems Saturday morning, Xerox’s Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) system experienced a temporary shutdown. While the system is now up and running, beneficiaries in the 17 affected states continue to experience connectivity issues to access their benefits. This disruption impacts EBT beneficiaries who rely on the system for SNAP and WIC. Technical staff is addressing the issue and expect the system to be restored soon. Beneficiaries requiring access to their benefits can work with their local retailers who can activate an emergency voucher system where available. We appreciate our clients’ patience while we work through this outage as quickly as possible.


In short: Cue panic, because while the Nasdaq may be down for 3 hours and only a few vacuum tubes would notice, take down EBT, and you will have a full-fledged revolution in no time.


Via Twitchy,

EBT cards in many states aren’t working today, and as you might expect, some Walmart shoppers aren’t very happy.

Then again, every cloud has its silver lining:

Welcome to the Obama economy.


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Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:07 | 4048396 DaddyO
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So Tylers is there any correlation between you title and the color of the majority of EBT users?


Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:13 | 4048411 debtor of last ...
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It's named after Obama's second off record son; Erin Bashar Tyrone.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:13 | 4048417 Fish Gone Bad
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11/11/13 bitches - everything goes dark.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:17 | 4048433 DaddyO
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WOW, so I guess making a joke at the Tylers expense is verbotten?

No sense of humor!


Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:26 | 4048466 knukles
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I been sayin' for a long long time that if somebody wanted to fuck US over, all they gotta do is freeze/takedown the EBT system and Viol-Fuckin-A you got a lotta hungry pissed off less than civil (some of which, BTW is downright violent) people out there all of a sudden.

And then there's K Sebalius's view of the ObieCareSystem's not working, too (Very funny)

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:33 | 4048485 lolmao500
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Fuck US over or finally have a goddamn revolution? Patriots could take down the EBT to achieve that aim. The only thing that will force the unwashed masses to revolt is EBT being cut for weeks.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:36 | 4048498 knukles
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I'm a thinkin' along the lines of some good olde fashioned Cyber-Warfare to Fuck Things Up

In any case, it'll be blamed on the Republicans at this moment in time... shutting down the gubamint...

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:44 | 4048515 DoChenRollingBearing
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That's because it's 

George Bush's fault!


Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:44 | 4048522 knukles
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sick fuck

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:55 | 4048541 DoChenRollingBearing
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blurble, drool, throws stuff at people...

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:16 | 4048623 12ToothAssassin
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Dry run bitchez

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:31 | 4048628 TruthInSunshine
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It’s free! Swipe Yo EBT Free!
Swipe Yo EBT
It’s free! Swipe Yo EBT Free!
Swipe Yo EBT It’s free!
You had me to get it all free
Now yall need to be sitting here now
Let’s go get this money
Man I want some subway
Hot Cheetos
Some Starburst
Fish and French fries
Some Jolly Rancher
A mamma! What? Did they approve us for section 8
don’t want go to Granny’s house anymore, anymore! I want some airheads
Hot Cheetos I want some nachos Oh I want some pizza
Noodles- Ravioli Ohh!
I want a pickle with some Kool-Aid
See that’s just ghetto
You’ll want too much stuff I want everything in the store
It’s free! Swipe Yo EBT Free!
Swipe Yo EBT
You had me to get it all free

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:09 | 4048736 Manthong
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Only about 15 or 16 million more on the roles since BO first perjured himself to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States".

Youtube of TIS song with nasty lyrics:

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:25 | 4048831 hedgeless_horseman
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Speaking of dry runs...

An internal memo from the union that represents pilots for US Airways
claims there have been “several cases recently” throughout the airline
industry of what the union believes are “dry-runs” for potential attacks
with or on an aircraft.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:47 | 4048889 GetZeeGold
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Glitch my ass.....Obama wants pain.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:53 | 4048905 kaiserhoff
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I smell a hit disaster movie:

  We gots no EBT!

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:28 | 4049009 Bad Attitude
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Didn't you see World War Z?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:41 | 4049035 krispkritter
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From a couple years ago, a one-time outage of bennies...imagine a week, two?

Gimme, gimme, gimme...

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:12 | 4049100 FEDbuster
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Cost of livin' gets so high,
Rich and poor they start to cry:
Now the weak must get strong;
They say, "Oh, what a tribulation!"
Them belly full, but we hungry;
A hungry mob is a angry mob.

Bob Marley, "Them Belly Full (But We Hungry)"

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:40 | 4049318 hedgeless_horseman
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Xerox announced late in the evening that access had been restored for
users in the 17 states affected by the outage, hours after the first
problems were reported.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:08 | 4049361 The Big Ching-aso
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Electronic Bubkis Transfer?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 01:35 | 4049471 Herd Redirectio...
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48 hours... Let the count down begin...

3 days without food means people stop acting rationally.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 08:12 | 4049641 ebear
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Brains!  Must.  Have.  Brains!

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:20 | 4049752 MagicHandPuppet
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One day in the probable likely future, EBT cards will only work in your friendly, neighborhood FEMA camp.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:58 | 4049079 nmewn
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See...this is the problem (among many):

"Reports from around the country began pouring in around 9 a.m. on Saturday that customers’ EBT cards were not working in stores."

They are not a "customer". It implies they have their own money, that they earned and are willing to part with it at a going private concern for a price they agree with, for parting with a grocery store.

Its just bitching about means of payment.

This would NOT BE A PROBLEM...if EBT card users went to a government store for surplus, government subsidized cheese, bought from a private producer.

Would it? ;-)

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:03 | 4049092 knukles
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A man cannot live by cheese alone.

Where be da Twinkies, yo?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:04 | 4049103 krispkritter
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Dey's got that spray cheez...hmmm, spray cheez on a Twinkie....

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:49 | 4049214 nmewn
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Exactly, to you both.

How does one describe reality to...someone living and being taught, in an alternate universe?

You can't.

All I can say is, sorry for their luck and I understand their compliance to their masters desires but their masters desires are at complete variance to mine. 

So they...and their masters...will have to fight me.

There is no turning back now.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 00:09 | 4049435 The Big Ching-aso
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Imagine when the Soylent Green runs out.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 04:39 | 4049545 mrdenis
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yo mean World war ETB .....

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:25 | 4048833 Squid-puppets a...
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And the food riots will be televised as entertainment

Bread+Ciruses - Bread = Circuses squared

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:30 | 4048843 hedgeless_horseman
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Television is so 20th century.

Are you ready for real FPS action?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:51 | 4049340 TruthInSunshine
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Even prominent black Americans are basically calling Obama & his supporters Wall Street whores & Uncle Toms.

Cornel West Attacks Al Sharpton: ‘Bonafide House Negro of the Obama Plantation’

by Andrew Kirell | 4:14 pm, August 30th, 2013

Cornel West tore into many of this week’s speeches surrounding the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King, Jr.‘s “I Have a Dream” speech, accusing everyone from President Obama to Rev. Al Sharpton of “sanitizing” Dr. King’s vision.

“Brother Martin himself, I think, would’ve been turning over in his grave,” West said of the event. “[King would have wanted] people to talk about Wall Street criminality, he wants people to talk about war crimes, or drones dropping bombs on innocent people,” he asserted.

“Instead,” he lamented, “we saw the coronation of the bonafide house negro of the Barack Obama plantation, our dear brother Al Sharpton.” West went further declaring that Sharpton’s decline was “supported by [MSNBC analyst] Michael Dyson and others who’ve prostituted themselves in a very ugly and vicious way.”

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:37 | 4048860 Dugald
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Waul first there was mind control, it ain't panned out too good....but Stomach control....the new ploy...Obey your masters or you will feel prolonged real  gut wrenching lead? eat it......

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 01:44 | 4049475 The Heart
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"..but Stomach control.."

Howdy Dugald.

You are close.

Some people's god is money. Some people's God is Love.

When both are no where to be found, and the food is gone, the stomach will become the god of the future.



Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:36 | 4049784 superflex
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WalMart without the FSA.


Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:19 | 4049164 screw face
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..don't taze our severs dude.


Abracadabra.....EBT becomes ..........rationing cards.


Xerox...what bank owns them.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:45 | 4049405 Agent P
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At least now we know the true value of Twitter.  If it wasn't for them, how would we know the PPLs, folks and Motha Fuckas was going all cra-cra ats the Walmarts?


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 09:24 | 4049697 rbg81
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Yeah, that was my first thought.  Not so much as a dry run though--more like a test to say what would actually happen when the cards stop working.  But, to be a real test, you'd have to go at least 48 hours (6 meals) without them working.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:00 | 4048547 NoDebt
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"after a routine check by vendor Xerox Corp. resulted in a system failure."

Xerox, huh?  Well that explains it.  Hand the reins of a huge nationwide payment system over to a bunch of copier jockeys and nobody should be surprised at the result.

.....Heading to the basement to double check that everything is loaded and ready for action. 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:05 | 4048943 tbone654
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dito...  loading more shotgun shells tonight, drinking jack, playing a little guitar...  ready, check!

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:08 | 4049112 FEDbuster
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You might want to make a few "waxers" to fend off the Zombies.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:33 | 4049177 max2205
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Barry: Fuck Boener...Jamie it's time to kill switch EBT

Jamie: Yasser Master

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 05:48 | 4049568 Nikao7
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A super bank CEO referring to Obama as Master???  Surely you jest lmao

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:49 | 4048530 fonzannoon
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the market is open Monday right? Leave this system off until Monday morning and they wil get the crash they want. That is assured.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:57 | 4048549 knukles
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And these people want more money to do what?
Create more broken systems, waste and sow mass confusion far and wide?
Hi I'm from the Government and I'm here to Fuck Things Up

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:52 | 4048734 Squid-puppets a...
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increasingly complex systems become increasingly susceptible to collapse

But then, the Eastern Roman Empire - a.k.a. Byzantine survived the western Roman Empire by 1000 years

invest accordingly?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 09:26 | 4049698 rbg81
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For most of that time, the Byzantine "empire" wasn't much of an empire.  It waas more like a city state.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:01 | 4048748 Mentaliusanything
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Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day..... Teach a man how to fish and he will never know hunger

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:15 | 4048966 Professorlocknload
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Sign at the National Park;

"Please don't feed the wild animals. They will become dependent and not learn how to fend for themselves."


  Oh, the park's closed, and the unemployed Ranger's EBT doesn't work?



Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:03 | 4049099 knukles
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So the bears must be longing for their Cheese Roayales

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 02:44 | 4049501 0b1knob
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Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day.   SET a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

Book of Armaments Napalm section.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 08:24 | 4049643 ebear
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Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:10 | 4048779 McMolotov
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Stocks are open on Monday. Bonds closed, banks closed.


Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:21 | 4049377 Rusty Shorts
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Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:39 | 4048687 darkstar7646
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If there's any real point to the welfare state, tonight could be very interesting for about a third of the country.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:58 | 4048745 gatorengineer
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I really hope that there wasnt any SARC intended....  because that is 100% what that was...  The EBT's go dark for a week, and lets say things will get a little kinetic......

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:19 | 4048816 fonzannoon
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A week? You guys are bloody optomists. 2 days of this and you will see social unrest that willl go unmatched. Give it 3 days and you will start to see actual bank runs. 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:30 | 4048840 darkstar7646
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I think even you are being optimistic. I could see shit going down TONIGHT -- and it's out here in California too.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:40 | 4048871 DoChenRollingBearing
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I need to get this evening for a quick look around.  Glad I have a full tank of gas.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:54 | 4048904 fonzannoon
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I may be nuts but I went through this with Sandy, I just threw my daughter in my car and filled up the tank. I sent my sister instructions to come to my house tomorrow if the system is still down. She lives in Brooklyn and I want her out of there. 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:16 | 4048975 Professorlocknload
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Stay away from Waldomart, and watch the mirror for out of control Caddy Escalades and Chrysler 300's with spinner wheels!

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:48 | 4049063 darkstar7646
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Both yours and the one above are very good ideas, especially if another thought I had came to fruition:

We have already passed the X Date and they can't even satisfy the benefits currently on the cards...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 03:52 | 4049524 effendi
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If the cards were to stay off until Monday morning then the bank runs would start then. 2 DAYS not 3 (and ATMS would have run out before then which would only encourage the run on Monday).

and as this is my first post:

Silver Bitches

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 06:54 | 4049597 darkstar7646
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Moot point, for at least another 96 hours (Oct. 17th), but the banks are closed on Monday for Columbus Day.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:00 | 4049854 aerojet
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Why bank runs?  The people who have the cards by definition have no money to withdraw.  Are you suggesting that EBT is the canary for systemic collapse?  I disagree.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:54 | 4049343 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"That's a nice little EBT system you've got there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it. Now, what was that you were saying about fines?"
Jamie Dimon

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:57 | 4049426 Freddie
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Well another web site has been referring to the ObamaCare web site problem as FuxNet to destroy ObamaCare because it is the biggest take over of America ever seen. 

So we have ObamCare web site a pathetic joke of a web site built for $643 million?  WTF?   They the $2 billion NSA headquarters is having fires, electricity arcs/surges and other problems.

Now the EBT cards are failing. 

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 01:57 | 4049484 Herd Redirectio...
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How does the song by Beastie Boys go?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:53 | 4053703 Dangertime
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Don't play no game that I can't win?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 09:48 | 4049717 BandGap
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Like Father's Day in Harlem - complete chaos.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:57 | 4049851 aerojet
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It will be tougher than you think.  This  country did food stamps  before electronic payments you know.  The cards are just to create the appearance of a normal transaction so as not to needlessly shame the holder as compared to how the old system worked.  

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:14 | 4048609 darkstar7646
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Any "patriot" who believes that should open fire at the nearest welfare/Social Security office.

Get violent or stop talking about it.

I am serious.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:18 | 4048811 bank guy in Brussels
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In his just-before-death manifesto the US gov ordered pulled from the internet:

« Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. »
- Joe Stack (1956-2010)

Joseph Andrew Stack III died in the hope of inspiring resistance and revolt to the US regime

And Barack Obama still fears him, even three years after he died ... Obama and his handlers so afraid, that they wrote Joe Stack's final moments of life into a recent Obama speech, « a plane flying into a building in Texas »

Large photo of US government IRS building on fire after being hit by plane flown by Joe Stack:


A software engineer badly harassed by the IRS and US government and system, on 18 February 2010, Stack first burned down his own house, then, leaving wife and child behind, crashed a small aeroplane into IRS offices

Obviously Joseph Andrew Stack III in his death, did leave quite an impression on the US leaders, if not on the US people

Maybe in the end, suicide bomber Joe Stack may be hailed as a martyr of the still-mostly-upcoming New American Revolution

Stack's dying manifesto, tho the US government ordered it censored, it is still archived and available on the web from others

Article with photo of Joe Stack's burned-down Waco, Texas house

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:54 | 4048908 James_Cole
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What are you all so furious about that you'd talk about blowing up a building or shoot up a welfare office? Seriously, get some anger management help and stop being pathetic losers. 

And Joe Stack? Guy was a fuck-up who projected his fuck ups on everyone else. 

That's what half of this shit is, white middle-aged men pissed off at the world and blaming everyone else for their own failings. The 'personal responsibilty' crowd my ass. 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:07 | 4048942 fonzannoon
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"white middle-aged men pissed off at the world"

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:20 | 4048985 James_Cole
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Well, we have a different definition of middle-aged men I guess. Anyway, good to separate fantasy (fight club) from reality (Joe Stack). Joe Stack was a loser who blamed his personal problems squarely on .gov & ultimately flew his plane into a building / wrote a rambling manifesto to try and convince everyone (himself?) he wasn't a loser. Only a deeply narcissistic fuckhead would do such a thing.

And his big accomplishment in this final act? Kiling a vietnam war veteran and injuring a dozen people, wow what a hero!

Though to be fair, the IRS shutdown and .gov finally admitted Joe Stack actually was right about taxation all along. Oh wait, that didn't happen at all.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:50 | 4049067 buyingsterling
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A system of fascistic socialism will relentlessly torment the productive independent classes, and some of them will snap. Joel Stack is a natural outgrowth of everything you believe in, Mr. Cole.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:13 | 4049124 James_Cole
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When you say the 'productive independent classes' being tormented by socialism what industries specifically are you talking about?

Here's your economy, 1947 - 2009:

Joe Stack drifted among unemployment and actually blamed cutting of government investment as one of the issues. Yet on the other hand blamed .gov overreach into his taxes as justification for flying a plane into a building. 

From Stack's actual manifesto:

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks.  Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s.  Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that.  The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco.  However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall.  Again, I lost my retirement.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:07 | 4049875 aerojet
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His one consistent trait was that he kept  blaming the government for his own lack of perception relating to macro trends.  We actually don't need all those bases!  Military bases are yet another form of welfare and you can see that clearly by how many people get really upset if you try to close the one near them because it is the only reason so many people are in a particular geographic area to begin with!  But these artifices are not sustainable.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:06 | 4049105 acetinker
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As per usual, James, you're full of shit.  Loser Joe Stack, who owned a personal aircraft- How many airplanes do you, personally own, dear James?

Joe made it to the end of his rope.  You?  You don't even know what that rope looks like.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:18 | 4049135 James_Cole
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Loser Joe Stack, who owned a personal aircraft-

...and was drowning in debt, possible connection? Nahh, his financial problems were 100% a fault of .gov 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:25 | 4049151 acetinker
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Listen, dipshit!  He may have been in debt up to his eyeballs, I don't know.  But, there's more to owning and operating a personal aircraft than simply having a good FICO score.  Then again, you wouldn't know that, would you?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:47 | 4049212 James_Cole
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But, there's more to owning and operating a personal aircraft than simply having a good FICO score.  

I also hear there's more to owning a boat than dumping money into the ocean, even so I remain firmly convinced that such a use of money is not wise for those without the financial resources. 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:37 | 4049315 acetinker
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Ok, so you've heard some stuff, huh?  What have you actually done, dear James?  Some of us have tried and failed.  Some of us have tried and succeeded.  Still more of us are yet to know whether we'll succeed or fail.

Every day above ground is a good day, James.  Each day could be even better, if not for idiots like yourself.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:57 | 4049350 The Gooch
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His name was Joe Stack.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:58 | 4049352 James_Cole
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Ok, so you've heard some stuff, huh?  What have you actually done, dear James?  Some of us have tried and failed.  Some of us have tried and succeeded.  Still more of us are yet to know whether we'll succeed or fail.

What are you going on about?? We're talking a specific instance where a guy felt justified flying a plane into a building and the fools who think this was some sort of heroic act. 

Whatever peoples finances are is their business and I don't much judge people on that, but when people try to justify flying planes into buildings I become a tad more critical. 

For gawds sake get some perspective - I'm not randomly lashing out at peoples personal struggles. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:02 | 4053738 Dangertime
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Joe Stack's failings do not change the fundamental premise that the downward trajectory of the nation as a whole and the entitlements that feed this trajectory are irreversible otuside of a violent counter-reaction.



Ayn Rand:  Reason can be fought with reason......How are you going to fight the unreasonable?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 06:39 | 4049588 GMadScientist
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Let's see, there's thousands of dollars for flying lessons, more money to store his big boy toy, money for fuel...

And there's the $38M the government laid out which Joe obviously won't be on the hook for...and the disability I'm sure his wife and son are collecting as a result of his pointless death and abdication of personal responsibility to care for his family.

The guy got a raw deal and refused to handle it like a man.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:08 | 4049882 aerojet
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On top of all his other problems, what do you bet Joe Stack was a really awful programmer as well?  I've seen the work of plenty of Joe Stacks in my time, I've made a career of cleaning up after them.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:56 | 4049080 acetinker
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Xlnt link, fonz.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:51 | 4049070 darkstar7646
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I think that there are enough of who called themselves the "53%" (of the country who actually has a job and are producing, while (in their eyes) the other 47% are sitting on their asses collecting checks) who are furious enough that they should, lest they be the ones brought upon when (or in-progress-now) the benefits stop.

I'm just sick and tired of the talking about it. There is going to be no balanced budget in the United States of American with a population close to the current 314-ish million. That's reality: You're anywhere from 20-40 years too late, and probably now are looking at 60-120 million Americans who may well have to be dealt with (with as many euphemisms on those last two words as you'd like).

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:06 | 4049879 aerojet
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Pretty much!  Look at how much mileage the Nazis got by blaming everything on Jews!

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:16 | 4049138 acetinker
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Normally, I would despise a bank guy, no matter his location.  But you- are an enigma, and thank you for reminding us of Joe Stack.  Not a big fan of the Christian Science Monitor, though.  The name, in itself, is an oxymoron.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:44 | 4049209 Cacete de Ouro
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My Obamaphone is gone dark, what can the excellent Companions of the Grand f@&kin' royal Arch do for me, my chapter number 2 in St James' is f*#%ed up, innit , bitchez?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:03 | 4049863 aerojet
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Except that Joe Stack was an idiot who was trying to put one over on the IRS even though it was incredibly apparent that what he was doing was against their rules.  Nobody even remembers that guy or what he did.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:57 | 4054651 acetinker
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Please tell us, aerojet, how you know this, exactly.  I remember, BGiB remembers, and who the fuck are you, exactly? Are you familiar with the phrase persona non grata?  That's you.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:38 | 4049194 1100-TACTICAL-12
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' when the money stops flowing down to the streets the blood starts flowing in the streets'


Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:44 | 4049208 darkstar7646
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Tick tock. We're, what, 12 hours in?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:25 | 4049388 Abiotic Oil
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All circus, no bread.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 01:19 | 4049459 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"...if somebody wanted to fuck US over, all they gotta do is freeze/takedown the EBT system"~

Naw, if you want to send everything ass-over-kiester just lock up the satellite/cable channels and shut down the cell towers. That aught to about do it. The fuckwit-monkeys would go ballistic. Game over.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:39 | 4048504 Rubbish
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I'm a sucker for ice cream, can you get your EBT on ice cream?


I wanna dance too.....

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:45 | 4048518 booboo
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Obama just jiggling the handle, blame it on the utter guys on Monday.
What a hoot.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:32 | 4048661 NumNutt
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I can tell you for a fact that this ebt outage was caused by a power failure at a primary datacenter, I know this becasue I am sitting in a network operations center as I type this and am directly working with the company that is the cause of all this. Their name is ACS State $ Local Solutions. As I type they are about 20% restored. don't know if the root cause was a power failover test that went bad or not, but that is how it started, total power black out at a primary facility. Well enough said back to work......

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:34 | 4048669 fonzannoon
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thanks for the info man.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:42 | 4048864 hedgeless_horseman
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NumNutt has supposedly been a member for 4 years and 9 weeks, and this is his first post? 

Something smells funny.

Also, when people start a sentence with, "I can tell you for a fact..." or, "The truth is...," instead of just saying whatever they have to say, I get suspicious.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:17 | 4048978 acetinker
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Thanks hedgeless.  I suspect that the ZH main site has been hacked.  It was oddly more transparent when it was based in Bulgaria.  Whocouldanode?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:30 | 4049013 fonzannoon
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I did not junk you. It was a reasonable post by that dude. Odd what HH pointed out though.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:40 | 4049199 acetinker
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I know you didn't junk me, fonz.  Who junks a thank you?  This site is glitchier than I've ever seen it.  Man! I hope I see you tomorrow!

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:52 | 4049217 clymer
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still trying to determine if that tangent flame war about joe stack was between two shill-trolls..

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:07 | 4049258 acetinker
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Well, you prolly already know that James Cole is a shill-troll, and a bank guy can never be fully trusted.  The rest is up to you.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:29 | 4049011 onewayticket2
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Some quick, basic bing searching finds ACS is now XEROX state and local. Former head of ACS division is now CFO of.....FEMA.
Mr Norman Dong. Harvard grad.


Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:02 | 4049094 buyingsterling
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He said 'dong', hehe

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:03 | 4049243 acetinker
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Xerox... now where did I hear that name, earlier today?  WTF?  These folks made copiers that straight-up sucked, so they morphed into the nebulous blob of pseudo-government agency in charge of ebt?  Makes perfect sense, if you think about it.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:42 | 4049046 NumNutt
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Nope  HH I have been here for over 4 years, not sue why none of my other post are showing up. I tend not to post to much these days. I have just found that there seems to be a lot of what I refer to as "thunder cats" posting useless comments. . Young bucks with more attitudes then brains. But long story short I am leggit and what I posted above is fact. 

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:27 | 4049298 Roadrunner12
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Numnutt, You in Blythewood by chance?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 06:09 | 4049562 GetZeeGold
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I have been here for over 4 years, not sue why none of my other post are showing up.


The NSA background support staff has been deemed nonessential...just goes to show they are essential.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 00:05 | 4049432 Anusocracy
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Some of your posts come up on a google search.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 01:39 | 4049474 Freddie
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"Thunders Cats"  LOL!  Sounds like Robot Trader, MDB and a few other f*ckwits who post here.

Xerox?  One of those shitty upstate NY companies that are connected to Uncle Sam like IBM, GE, Xerox and Corning.  Xerox was always a lib outfit.  They dodged oblivion by buying ACS a few years ago.  

Kodak sort of failed on that score. They had gotten into pharmaceuticals but sold off that division and went down with the core business "ship."  NY state companies like GE - owning politicians to dodge ever paying for clean up of the rivers they polluted in NY state with PCBs.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 08:47 | 4049666 ebear
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Thundercats are Go!



Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:18 | 4049137 kareninca
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I don't think the post archive section is accurate at all anymore, HH.  I tried to find one of my own old posts (I've posted plenty), and there were only two in total!!!!!!!!!  Also, I seem to recall seeing other NumNutt posts.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:48 | 4049397 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The user comment search function only returns results as far back as September 29, slightly less than two weeks ago. It ignores any comments posted before then.

It used to return results back as far as 2009, when the site first moved from blogspot. Something like this first happened to the user comment search results in December 2012, when it stopped returning results prior to late November 2012. It happened again earlier this year, when it stopped returning results prior to sometime in June.

As this is the third time it's happened, it seems unlikely to be accidental, although the reasoning behind it escapes me.

Most of the articles in the archive are still there, although a few of them are missing all of the comments.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 02:35 | 4049498 Herd Redirectio...
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"the reasoning behind it escapes me."

Really?  Posts are being deleted on ZH, users being banned, and past comments being deleted is difficult to figure out?

Hint, its a lot more conspicuous when you just delete SOME comments.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 07:15 | 4049616 StychoKiller
Sun, 10/13/2013 - 09:14 | 4049692 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Really?  Posts are being deleted on ZH, users being banned, and past comments being deleted is difficult to figure out?

I apologise for any possible lack of clarity in what I said. While going through articles in the ZH archives, I have found the following:

1) Clicking the link for some articles returns a '404 - page not found' response.

2) Clicking the link for some articles returns a 'You do not have permission to view this page' response.

3) Some articles with a non-zero comment count are missing the entirety of their comment section.

These things occur with a very small percentage of archived articles. Aside from those articles, the comment sections appear to be intact, including comments from people whose ZH accounts were subsequently shitcanned.

When I said, "the reasoning behind it escapes me," I was referring to the phenomenon whereby the oldest comments retrievable from the user comment search, which originally produced results going back to 2009, shifted to late November 2012, then to June 2013, and now to September 29. The comments before those dates still exist, but are not returned in a user comment search. The reasoning escapes me because it appears to defeat the purpose of the user comment search function.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:42 | 4048689 quasimodo
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What would it take, if we all chipped in, to somehow have you keep the power off for a few days?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:43 | 4048695 fonzannoon
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and can we pay by credit?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:58 | 4048921 kaiserhoff
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Ya'll ain't right.

  How can I help?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:09 | 4049114 knukles
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Ain't right?
I'd say they're something just wrong.

rolling eyes

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 23:03 | 4049354 MiltonFriedmans...
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All Right? We're pretty fuckin far from all right.....

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:55 | 4048914 Vic Odd
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"What would it take, if we all chipped in, to somehow have you keep the power off for a few days?"

What would it take, if we all got chipped, to somehow have you keep the power on for a few days?


There, fixed it for ya

Expect this headline: RFID chips Required for Food Stanp Recipients

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:50 | 4048709 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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At our primary facilites we have immediate battery backup and then onsite generators to supply power for the batteries. We have no need for commercial AC. We also have backup portable generators which can be brought to the site in case of generator failure.

What kind of fucked up group is in charge of this site?

And for the data, cut the fiber comming in and another location takes over with only a momentary interruption.

So once again who in the fuck would run a primary site this way?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:51 | 4048730 MontgomeryScott
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Let's see...

The USFEDGOV is in charge of the program, overall, but sold out the rights of control to J.P. Morgan (who oversees the EBT program). NATURALLY, they would subcontract certain functions to the 'lowest bidders'...

I understand that the Obamacare website is also having issues in kind.

Of course, you probably work in the 'private sector'. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OR CRITISIZE, TAXPAYER? (sarc)

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:05 | 4048769 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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If one of my locations goes down I lose my job. No questions asked I am out the door. So this kind of power issue is close to my heart. And my customers pay me so I have an obligation to them to do my best.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 19:43 | 4048875 Keyser
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Either the generators did not kick in or JPM cut some corners on infrastructure to save $$$. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen a backup system fall over when it is actually needed.  We had a data center outage recently due to street power going out. The data center battery backup kicked in to hold load before the generators came online. The capacitors in the battery backups exploded on load transition. The Hazmat team wouldn't even let us in the building for 3 days due to lithium contamination. So, it does happen. 




Sat, 10/12/2013 - 20:05 | 4048935 Urban Redneck
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I don't buy it. Unless something FUNDAMENTAL about bank IT priorities has changed in the last decade - ANYTHING that that keeps the dirty little customers and away from bank employees is automated and has redundancies. The last thing JPM wants to do is pay salaries and benefits to people who are answering low-dollar calls.

After 9/11 geographic redundancy became a big issue to those firms that didn't already have it. There's no excuse in bank the size of JPM unless the Fed or the internet itself goes dark.

And who the hell at Xerox implements a system update without a rollback plan (and DURING THE DAY no less)?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 01:50 | 4049476 Freddie
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I knew a good programmer who did work for The JP Morgue.  They would get calls at 3 am because the Indians over in Mubai had no idea what they were doing.   This person I know had to fix the shit in the middle of the night that the Indians broke.   This person got sick of JPM's nonsense.   They eventually told headhunters - No Banks!

I know other people who have worked for other big banks.  A lot of the systes are total crap with old code, garbage, H1B ghettoes of non-American programmers because they keep Americans out.   This is one reason who Motorola failed.  I know one person who worked for Bear and then Lehman before they crashed...oh and AIG.  AIG's systems are crap.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 06:31 | 4049583 Urban Redneck
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At the micro level it's frustrating, but at the industry level it is a clusterfuck of epic proportions that does get the job done, because the cost of a 9 of fineness is the difference between economic growth (or the current stagflation) and TSHTF. There are legacy transaction processing systems that date to the VAX/VMS era running along side and fully integrated with the latest co-located hyperactive black boxes, and there are ever increasing and complex APIs retrieving and integrating data which are being hastily slathered on top of an arguably weak foundation, however, every day the banks are reconciling with the FED and the brokerages are reconciling with the exchanges, and life goes on as people have access to their data and money. If an IT worker aspires to the life of the mythical Maytag repairman- he shouldn't be in an industry based on complex integrated systems with a short product life cycle (or in bed the bankers, but that is a different issue).

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:45 | 4048711 MontgomeryScott
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I usually like to shop on Sundays.

Do you think you can make arrangements for a regular event to take place? Say.....every Sunday?

Thanks for the scoop.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:18 | 4049136 max2205
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That ACS is fucked up...find a new job ASAP

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 17:57 | 4048545 Anusocracy
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That would just piss off trillions of fat cells.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:34 | 4048662 g'kar
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Imagine all the Global Warming that will cause.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 18:14 | 4048607 WillyGroper
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This will be blamed on the Repub's and it will work for the big O.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:07 | 4049109 j0nx
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Doubt it. People are getting wise to his schemes particularly after all the vindictive shit he has done during the shutdown to annoy and aggravate people when it wasn't necessary. Even his own people think he's an asshole.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 07:14 | 4049610 GetZeeGold
Sat, 10/12/2013 - 21:40 | 4049190 Renewable Life
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I hope Wally World has called the security guards in early today, the free shit army only plays two ways...........

Give me the shit on an EBT cards for free and I play by the rules (sort of)


We storm this motherfucka and mob rob this bitch, it's up to you American people, really it's your choice, which do you want??

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 22:47 | 4049334 Real Estate Geek
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    Shoppers from Maine to Oklahoma had to abandon baskets of groceries because they couldn't access their benefits.

What a bunch of low-lifes.  The get this shit for free and then leave carts full of groceries, some perishable, for others to take care of. 

(Gee, when I put it in writing, I wonder why I was surprised.)

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