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Patriot Act Author Calls For Clapper's Prosecution And Rein In NSA Abuses
Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
In an interesting twist of irony, one of the Congressman most instrumental in the destruction of civil liberties in these United States due to his authorship of the Patriot Act, Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.), is now leading the charge to rein in NSA abuses. His disgust with the NSA became clear back in early June when he wrote an impassioned letter to Attorney General Eric Holder criticizing the illegal NSA activity happening behind the scenes. The key point here is that Mr. Sensenbrenner strongly believes that these guys are misinterpreting the legislation he wrote to justify everything they are doing. As such, he and others are proposing legislation to make it crystal clear what is and what is not appropriate surveillance.
Not only that, he is also calling for the prosecution of James Clapper the current Director of National Intelligence, who perjured himself in front of Congress earlier this year. Mr. Sensnbrenner said:
Oversight only works when the agency that oversight is directed at tells the truth, and having Mr Clapper say he gave the least untruthful answer should, in my opinion, have resulted in a firing and a prosecution.
This guy means business. More from the Guardian:
The conservative Republican who co-authored America’s Patriot Act is preparing to unveil bipartisan legislation that would dramatically curtail the domestic surveillance powers it gives to intelligence agencies.
Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner, who worked with president George W Bush to give more power to US intelligence agencies after the September 11 terrorist attacks, said the intelligence community had misused those powers by collecting telephone records on all Americans, and claimed it was time “to put their metadata program out of business”.
His imminent bill in the House of Representatives is expected to be matched by a similar proposal from Senate judiciary committee chair Patrick Leahy, a Democrat. It pulls together existing congressional efforts to reform the National Security Agency in the wake of disclosures by whistleblower Edward Snowden.
It seeks to limit the collection of phone records to known terrorist suspects; to end “secret laws” by making courts disclose surveillance policies; to create a special court advocate to represent privacy interests; and to allow companies to disclose how many requests for users’ information they receive from the USA. The bill also tightens up language governing overseas surveillance to remove a loophole which it has been abused to target internet and email activities of Americans.
In July, a temporary measure to defund the NSA bulk collection programme was narrowly defeated in a 217 to 205 vote in the House, but Sensenbrenner said the appetite for greater privacy protections had only grown since.
Instead, the main opposition to Sensenbrenner and Leahy’s twin-pronged effort is likely to come from the chair of the Senate intelligence committee, Dianne Feinstein, who is supportive of the NSA but who has proposed separate legislation focusing on greater transparency and checks rather than an outright ban on bulk collection.
Of course Feinstein is going to push to block real NSA restrictions, she is one of the most authoritarian members of Congress, not to mention married to a gigantic crony capitalist, fraud artist.
Sensenbrenner also called for the prosecution of Obama’s director of national intelligence, James Clapper, who admitted misleading the Senate intelligence committee about the extent of bulk collection of telephone records.
“Oversight only works when the agency that oversight is directed at tells the truth, and having Mr Clapper say he gave the least untruthful answer should, in my opinion, have resulted in a firing and a prosecution,” said the congressman.
Sensenbrenner also called for the prosecution of Obama’s director of national intelligence, James Clapper, who admitted misleading the Senate intelligence committee about the extent of bulk collection of telephone records.
“Oversight only works when the agency that oversight is directed at tells the truth, and having Mr Clapper say he gave the least untruthful answer should, in my opinion, have resulted in a firing and a prosecution,” said the congressman.
The main thrust of the bill would tighten section 215 of the Patriot Act to limit the collection of business records such as telephone metadata, to instances where the NSA was able to convince courts set up under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) that the target was “an agent of a foreign power”, was “subject of an investigation” or thought to be “in contact with an agent of a foreign power”.
“We had thought that the 2006 amendment, by putting the word ‘relevant’ in, was narrowing what the NSA could collect. Instead, the NSA convinced the Fisa court that the relevance clause was an expansive rather than contractive standard, and that’s what brought about the metadata collection, which amounts to trillions of phone calls.”
“The haystack approach missed the Boston marathon bombing, and that was after the Russians told us the Tsarnaev brothers were bad guys,” added Sensenbrenner.
Since we know that the NSA hasn’t actually stopped any terrorist attacks, it’s even more disturbing to realize that they couldn’t even stop the only one (Boston) that did happen. What are these guys even doing?
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About damn time.
He can just say what the Europeans do. "Sometimes you have to lie." Really works well when you've got the right people covering your backside....
"What Europeans do"? It's what every kid has done since time immemorial.
IOW, when being adult about it gets to be "too much", regressing to childhood seems to be Plan B. / Fantastic! / sarc.
So herr Sensenbrenner is having some second thoughts about the Patriot Act
I seem to recall that Rudolph Hess had some second thoughts and was handed an appropriate remedy
and what is it about Wisconsin, the state that gave us Paul Ryan, Sensenbrenner and Jesse Ventura
I am sure Canada would love to adopt Wisconsin
Well I don't expect him to survive that threat....but we are all behind him
Yeah, right.
Sandy Weil crawled back on TV last year and shocked everyone by stating that Citi should be broken up (after he was the one who put it all together in the first place). Nothing happened. Just as nothing will happen with the Patriot Act but it's continued use in abrogating the Constitutional rights of it's citizens.
You want forgiveness? Got to church or something.
You want to change things? Too late. You should never have penned the bill in the first place you son of a bitch.
He "penned" not a single word of that bill. It was handed to him and he dutifully pressed forward his masters' wishes.
Good point. All the more reason to put him on the short list when the guillotines roll.
Doesn't "perjure" yourself, just mean LIE ???
You'll have a hard time, with anyone in DC, finding anything wrong with that !
The only thing Jim Sensenbrenner says which should be treated as potentially sincere is what he writes in his suicide note.
Ventura = Minnesota
Clapper to the slammer
Clapper to the lamp post.
Over.
Cheezy Basterds.
Like ANY of this matters at this point??? The smoke and mirros are getting SO obvious at this point its nauseating, just COLLAPSE this Bitch and lets #REBUILD.
Obama should change his name to Nicolae Ceausescu ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu
Christmas gif'!
Bull-headed people who adamantly ignored cautions at the time...
That what you are doing will "cause great calamity" down the road...
Should have their noses vigorously rubbed in the time-honored sayings about...
Trying to put the Genie back in the bottle...
And opening a can of worms!
And comes the revolution...
They should be first against the wall!!
Patience. Good things come to those who wait.
Think that Sensenbrenner and the Rothschild family Guardian newspaper are playing more tricks on us
They are playing a game, trying to get us to believe that some of these psychopath US politicians are 'on our side'
It is likely bullshite, kabuki theatre ... but it is working ... now with even many ZH readers feeling that the Republican party types are 'standing for something' again with the budget-shutdown game
Always worth recalling that the wealthiest family in the world, the Rothschilds, dominate the UK Guardian newspaper and website, pumping the Edward Snowden revelations ... alongside the historic pumper of the CIA's media control, Operation Mockingbird, the New York times ...
« The Guardian is controlled by Guardian Media Group, whose chairman is Paul Myners, a past employee of N M Rothschild & Sons Limited. Guardian Media Group is owned by the Scott Trust, which became a limited private company in 2008, with all trustees becoming directors of the Scott Trust. Anthony Salz was appointed as a trustee of the Scott Trust in 2009; he is currently executive vice-chairman of the investment bank Rothschild. »
http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/02/wikileaks-rothschild-operation-swiss.html
"now with even many ZH readers feeling that the Republican party types are 'standing for something' again with the budget-shutdown game"
But they're only down by one game and they could come back in the playoffs.
"now with even many ZH readers feeling that the Republican party types are 'standing for something' again "
Don't count me in that group.
Finding child porn on Sensenbrenners computer in 3...2...1...
Who would have ever expected the existence of an un-blackmailable politican!
Sensenbrenner, asshole of the century, but at least he's got no skeletons in the closet.
Take a good look at the face of evil and oppression.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mainjustice.com/files/201...
Whoa just in the nick of time!
Saw this several hours back, got to wonder about the Pat-Act guy 'fixing' what he's helped wreck.
Reminder of recent boiling frog audio:
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2Fhttp://boilingfrogspost.com/wp...
And this:
http://media.blubrry.com/pbc/p/peterbcollins.com/podcast/PBC_20130715p87...
No shit.
At some point it will dawn on even the most dimwitted politician what they have done by passing "a law".
"Why, that could be my head in a basket. Lets try and think this thing through a little moar, it really doesn't need to be done now, does it."...lol.
Why pass more laws? The ones we have already are ignored routinely.
+1
At the risk of sounding like a statist, I move -AGAIN- that every new law, must be accompanied by the removal of ten existing laws.
Afterall, the "monoploy" was built that way, it can be destroyed that way ;-)
My version of this after the "success" (/sarc and no /sarc) of the AWB is that every law has an expiration date, no more than 10 years out, and probably base the time on how strongly it passes (2 years for a 51% vote, 10 years for a 95% vote, etc.).
Eventually congress' time gets sucked up renewing the shit that really matters and they don't have time for all the BS.
Great suggestion, however they'd just do what they did with the US's 'emergency-powers', roll it over, ad-infinitum. All that's left is smoke some cigars try to drink all the brandy, and discuss the insider trading opportunities of some additional tweaks and 'change'.
Apologies though, unfortunately I seem to be at an impasse, beyond even entertaining the conditioned presumption that govts legislating produce anything that's not intrinsically antagonistic and deeply injurious to the alleged much-loved civilian comrade. Unfortunately I'm also increasingly exasperated with people who can't even face this, and insist on deluding themselves that reforms are viable solutions to a profoundly dysfunctional mechanism and process. OK, that's harsh, and rather 'finalistic', to face that, but it's honest, and thus bearable. Far more so than the standard response of desperately agreeing to pretend, indefinitely, against endless examples of devastating contrary evidence, regarding the general presumption that politics has worthwhile civil, congenial or even remotely acceptable solutions to anything that matters.
I suspect historians and philosophers have rather misunderstood why Socrates preferred to drink the fucking Hemlock instead.
This is exactly what happens on the state level or in small Scandinavian states. The key is size, a city or state (NOT CA - it's a jungle) is small and nimble enough to make changes. We will NEVER have a mindset of working on only what's really necessary as long as we print money to pay for all that is not,
"Eventually congress' time gets sucked up renewing the shit that really matters and they don't have time for all the BS."
They don't even read the shit they pass 'conveniently' packaged in 2,000 to10,000 pages of incoherent, loophole filled corruption guaranteeing gibberish.
And exactly why is it that these worthless pieces of shit have their epiphanies AFTER leaving office or after having presided silently over the corruption?
See: Wilson in his book 'The New Freedom'. "A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men ... [W]e have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men."
OR Eisenhower in his farewell address: "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."
Lemme start the ball rolling on OKenyan's address bulletpoints:
Clapper will soon have a Vince Foster moment,sorry Jake!!!,but too late.OboomBox has his private army NOW!,you dumb son of a bitch.
every time I drive past Fort Marcy Park I wish that more politicians and bureaucrats knew the way there.
F**king eh!
and Ex Governor Jessie steps up to the plate this week and has the guts to denounce the American Political Party system...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSJgJZspnU
Don't hold your breath
Too late shithead! You helped open the bottle.
I listened to Rep. Sensenbrener give an interview on the radio a couple months or so back. He certainly sounded disgusted with what had been done with the "Patriot Act" that he helped to create.
All I could think to say to him was..."Well, better late than never. Maybe you should've thought about that before you gave the government such expansive powers!"
Give the government an inch, and they'll drag you to the moon with no space suit. Even a "debt ceiling" to them is less than a token, ephemeral concept.
Is this guy finally at the stage in his life, where he needs to worry about his "legacy"?
no he needs to worry about his soul.. and before that Nuremberg
How about a 2 for 1 special on the prosecution?
"What are these guys even doing?"
Why.........they're terrorizing US Citizens, that's what they're doing. What did you think they were doing? Most certainly not what they claimed they were doing.
<The only rule to follow is to watch what they do and not what they say.>
"<The only rule to follow is to watch what they do and not what they say.>"
Yes! If that ever happened, the cognitive dissonance would end.
You can't open Pandora's box for a supposedly "good" reason then expect to cram the horrors back into the box - anymore than you can put toothpaste back in the tube.
The Constitution and The Bill of Rights have a reason, a purpose, and very specific language and meaning; they are not "guidelines" and are no more outdated than the history of humanity.
Dumbshits.
Even the S(R)OTUS has determined, in their infinite lack-of-wisdom and lack of courage, the preamble to the US Constitution is insignificant in their 'consideration' of the constitutionality of various pieces of legislation or other cases brought to their 'attention'. That such persons can be allowed in their court demonstrates clearly the system is corrupt to the bone. Note I wrote 'their' court because I know they do not represent the nation's interest.
Activate the asset. Give him the green light when he is in the nest.
How about we guillotine them both and call it a "two traitors for one" event.
Good ol' "Jimmy Sensenbrenner"...
If he had been in Congress 55 years earlier he and Joe McCarthy would have been asshole buddies.
This is happening for one reason and one reason only. Our business partners are giving us the "middle digit" packing their bags and taking their money East. That and of course a failing U.S. economy and worthless reserve currency is icing on the cake.
Just look at what our best friends in the whole wide world are doing to us??? Gerald Kauffman is a fucking Zionist shill who completely contradicts himself in this speech by chastising the very "parasite" he helped create. This statement in Parliament wasn't just for Israel it was a shot across the bow to Uncle Sam that you're a loser for supporting a "loser", and we're about to cut our losses and make deals with the East because we want to survive not perish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
Would that be the same Senator McCarthy who claimed the US government was riddled with commies acting on behalf of Stalin, produced evidence for it, got slagged interminably by the MSM, but whose claims were later confirmed by ex-members of the US commie party, and by USSR archives available when the USSR collapsed?
Yeah same one.
Guess we need to show more care when we're making the distinction between a “capitalist” in mid-20th Century speak a.k.a. fascist oligarchy and a commie both -then and now!
In the end the “brand names” are interchangeable, funded and controlled by the same group with the most essential ingredient of all to make both happen.
Plenty of dependent lemmings.
McCarthy--another fine Wisconite.
Will Clapper become the "Fall Guy"? The whole world knows he committed perjury. Then He gets "Pardoned" on whatever is Obama's last day as Pres?
Correlation between Sensenbrenner's outrage and the strength of both a primary challenge and a challenge from a (D) opponent? I'll hazard a "wild" guess of 1:1.
Call me 'cynical' but to me it's more a case of "fool me 843 times...shame on me."
Recanting will not save you from the gallows.
If there was a President(R) in office you wouldn't be hearing jack shit from Senselessbrenner...
just sayin.
30 posts in and no one is yet to say how good it is that this guy came to his sensenbrenners?
It's only a (passing) Woodrow Wilson moment........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUNi3MSerU The men of the USA who drive big rigs are trying the only way they can to stop the decline of America. Support them in any way you can if you really care about your country (as you say you do).
Sorry, Fonz. I'm incensed beyond the capacity for humerous throughts.
This utter HORSESHIT apology (?) contrition (?) false-outrage (?) I don't even know what to call this but it's completely fabricated and contrived.
Now, if we wants to pour some gasoline over himself and light himself on fire on the DC mall with a sign in front that says "I'm really sorry about the Patriot Act, I wish I had never had a hand in it," OK. Apology accepted. I'm not an unreasonable or unforgiving person. But short of that, this is one son of a bitch that needs to be at the head of the line when the guillotines roll. Statist motherfucking prick.
Not too mention it took him 12 f'ing years to come to this 'conclusion' ... 12 YEARS
Fienstien needs to be put on a rack and force fed vulture shit.
Wouldn't that be some kind of cannibalism?
No, vultures are carrion-eaters whereas Feinstein drains the living.
You don't want to see DiFi on one of her coprophagial days.
Looks like chocolate smeared all over her mouf and pig's snout.
Thank you Mr. Sensenbrenner for your contrition. We'll take care of Clapper while you fall on your sword. No really, here's a sword, fall on it. Anyone catch Feinstein yet? Jim's almost done with the sword.
Like the act of an actual patriot?
The toothpaste ain't going back in the tube. It's too late. Holder won't do a damn thing about Clapper or anybody else that is hell bent on destroying our rights.
So now this asshole is trying to save his reputation. This is how statists and socalists behave. First they make fun of libertarians for suggesting that government could possibly overstep its bounds, and then when it happens they get a quivering lower lip and act like they had no idea what was coming.
Always too little too late.
Jail 'em. Don't bail 'em. No excuses or apologies to be accepted in mitigation.
Is this the same James Clapper who lives on Ashleigh Lane in Fairfax, VA?
NSA Whistle-Blower Russell Tice: Is the Top Echelon of the Intelligence Community "Running the Show"?
Friday, 06 September 2013 11:54 By Gaius Publius, America Blog | Op-ED
http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/18659-nsa-whistle-blower-russell-...
I think you can reach him by addressing your mail to:
General Clapper
Bridge - Starship Enterprise
Milky Way
He truly has gone where no man has gone before. Aren't we lucky /sarc
Maybe part of the prosecution will be then shoving the cork that bottled the genie up the authors ass.
I appreciate that Herr Sensenbrenner has come to his senses, but if I'm on the jury at his trial for treason, he's a dead fool.
The senator probably never authored the original bill. Someone wrote it for him and he was the nitwit that adopted it as his own to get the credit.
He was used and now it is too late to reverse the damage to his nation and reputation.
The fur lined trap defense is no longer accepted. Try again, counselor.
He probably had to pass it to find out what was in it. Now we kinda know.
Oh WTF, they had to pass it to see what was in it!
Give the guy a break.
Congressmen are slime!(with exception of perhaps RP)
What is it, 'Good cop' time now?
Jeesh
Once a scumbag always a scumbag!
RP hasn't been a congressperson for 10 months
Great post. Seems to be about money. Now that money isn't being made by military action in the mid-east on behalf of oil companies who are they going to attack?
They need a diversion and a reason for TSA and DHS among many other agencies to continue to get funding.
These are dangerous times. It makes one wonder if they should make a major decision to change their course in life and move back with family or to postpone educational and occupational paths. Businesses would be foolish to invest in development and deployment in this environment..
Military action against the traitors. Arrest them. Try them for treason.
Scientists said the same thing when the first A bomb was tested.
"Shit, what have we done?"
One of the reasons marijuana is being legalized is that you have to be smoking dope if you think government surveillance is ever gonna stop.
There is always the private sector.......
Perhaps Milwaukee's Sensenbrenner should pay some attention to how pissed off people are getting in the northern half of Wisconsin and mention that to the other idiots WI sends to CONgress. I can tell you that they are all on the line. People are pissed off there. I refuse to buy any more licenses from WI or any other state.
I really don't care about the state or trying to change it to a sensible entity anymore. I know my fate.
http://www.boatingaccidentnews.com/taking-your-child-fishing/
Everyone wants ultimate power to fight the powers of evil. Given we live in a "relative" world its only after we have those powers we discover it is we that are evil.
Children want to be superheroes to make their world right. To bring daddy to justice when he makes her make those noises we hear at night, or when she cries because he won't buy her the crap de jouer that would convince her bffs she's special. Then these headcases seek positions of authority in order to control their horrific nightmare lives, and the power brokers make it so, in order to gain moar power. This explains Jay Carney so I get a Nobel Prize. Hows that for relativity?
One thing I've noticed is that they are all shallow and superficial people. Take away the power and money (which gets used as power) and they have nothing.
Think Harry Reid is a real man? Absolutely not, not when he's standing on the Senate floor having a temper-tantrum about needing more control over those who love individuality and freedom.
Think McStain or John Kerry are real men the way they advocated for yet another war in the middle east (they will always advocate for another) to benefit the MIC and who would deem themselves "heros" for "fighting" in it? What's sad is that both are veterans. We all know Kerry was a dishonorable piece of shit who did nothing, but I'm disappointed with McCain who you'd think would've had his character refined and forged into a man during captivity, but who instead has used his prestige, power, and money for evil.
Anthony Weiner? Is he more of a man for cheating on his wife....again? Hell no. That bastard has more small penis/power issues than probably any one of them. Mayor Bloomberg with his anti-business, anti-freedom laws and the cameras-on-every-corner police state he operates in NYC? No, neither of them are real men either.
This goes well across party lines. None of them could ever walk into a bar and have a drink with real men after a hard day at work....and these bastards know it. Why do you think they have to work so hard to convince people to like them, when if they were better men they would have to convince no one.
Psychology is the new inquisition. Wake the others.
Everyone wants you to think they want the ultimate power to fight the powers of evil, which is in and of itself, evil.
"Patriot Act Author Calls For Clapper's Prosecution And Rein In NSA Abuses"
for transcript, nsa has the calls recorded.
:)
I volunteer for the firing squad. Should I be so lucky, I would auction my position to raise funds to be used directly in my community. But you have to beat my bid.
I haven't had the temerity to use the FOIA to request backup retrieval from the NSA yet, but it could be really handy if I have an HDD failure in the future.
Wow. I didn't know Sensenbrenner was the lead on the Patriot act. I live in Wisconsin. I'm going to do everything I can to get this guy unelected in 2014. The things you learn on ZH.
Here is some more to learn. I was and still am an elected "official" of the GOP left over from the Ron Paul campaigns in MN. I called those GOP assholes in Wisconsin numerous times and finally spoke with the GOP state coordinator there. They were not too happy with me even calling them. It's a primary state. I grew up in WI and I was looking for ways to assist some of the good folks I know there to get elected into the party. Oh boy, did they hate me for even calling. That is not how it works in a primary state. You need to be born into the system it seems. The electors are the ones who choose your candidates and you are not an elector.
Ain't "Democracy" great?
Don't bother. Voting just drags things out. Let the fascism grow organically until it collapses in on itself. It always does...
The fun thing to watch is the behavior of the loosely connected network of Narcissists in places of control, when it begins to crumble...
And as we unwind, the puppets and the string-pullers have no alternative but to increasingly expose themselves.
Testament to the pathological nature of their disease, while exposure is their greatest fear, they have no control over it.
Just him, Sensenbrenner? Everybody knows you can't Clapper with one hand.
I know. Cringe-worthy.
I have to laugh at this shit Chindit.
I sat right there on a GW thread and said...and I paraphrase the quote..."They would end up as a grease spot in the center aisle...now."
Now why is that?
Because all passengers now know they are going to die at the hands of just a few men and they are many.
Some people ya just can't reach ;-)
Somebody tell Sensenbrenner that it's too fucking late to change sides. It's not as if he wasn't fucking told what would happen when he gave the country the Patriot Act, if he was too ignorant to read about it in the history books and dozens of famous literature on dystopia. Fun pretending to play the 'protective' hero in government and push the peasants about, but now that he realises HE is also on the surveillance menu, he wants to sing a different tune. The utter fucking twat.
Humans being what they are, it is impossible to self regulate an organisation. It is almost impossible rescind powers once given, and those who are used to breaking the law and every moral code under the sun will simply use the methods they learned in the private security sector even if all of the alphabet agencies are fired tomorrow.
Of course James Clapper should go to jail, that would be merely the start of putting hundreds of thousands of the fuckers in the same hole, who are completely out of control in regards to the blanket surveillance, extrajudicial murders, blackmail, drone strikes, drug/arms running, industrial espionage, media propaganda, and god knows what else. We all know they are guilty, and considering the state of the judicial system, we all know it's going to be a cold day in hell if any of them get prosecuted. Hate to say it, because I abhor violence as a solution to complex problems, but nothing short of an old fashioned gallows revolution not seen since the 18th century is likely to change anything.
The more you write YHC, the more I think we just might have a chance after the shit hits the fan. We can do it. We HAVE to do it because there is no one else but us who will or can.
Who will pay to guard these hundreds of thousands of prisoners?
(always amused by people ranting about statists and then proposing a statist solution to the problem) LOL
I upvoted you Mad Scientist because you made a good general point about one of the facile "solutions" common in ZH comments.
However, I suspect most ZH'ers are only for guarding the prisoners the short time it takes to drag them up the guillotine steps.
"However, I suspect most ZH'ers are only for guarding the prisoners the short time it takes to drag them up the guillotine steps."
NOW you're talkin'!
Pandora tried to close the box too. What did you think Obamaniacs would do with ultimate secrecy, ultimate power, and extreme tax payer largess? Idiot....
I'm sorry, but a bush era legislator turning tail when an opposing faction has the reins is exactly the bullshit i shouted to the rooftops about when they were passing this shit.
This is not partisan, rather, the entire reason why you shouldn't support bullshit legislation that will be misused once the "other guy" is in/out of power. How about both "parties" oppose fascism?
I can dream right? Or are my subconscious thoughts now considered evidence in a trial presided over by unappointed individuals who use a standard of law which doesn't require presumption of innocence? Or even a basic preponderance, or evidence?
Sensenbrenner knew exactly what he was doing, and he was simply too niave and foolish to realize that his Frankenstein could be applied to him by his politlcal enemies.
Sensenbrenner's lack of understanding of history is mind-numbing. History will show him to be the key architect of the loss of the Constitution.
The Founding Fathers knew everything about history and human nature, and knew that the greatest threat was from within, be it a Sensenbrenner or (especially) a Feinstein.
Feinstein has become like Hitler in the early 1930s, and she seems to get worse every week. Her recent attack on anyone who isn't employed as a journalist having a right to express an opinion (i.e., controllable by her) is profoundly un-American. Thomas Paine and Banjamin Franklin were unqualified amateurs by her definition, worthy of prosecution. Ive lost track of the number of fundamental constitutional protections that Feinstein has now attacked.
That woman needs an enema.
With a blow torch.
While they are at it, they should also prosecute attorney general Place Holder for obstruction of justice. Place Holder refuses to prosecute Clapper, who lied under oath and on camera, and he persecutes others, who tell the truth!
An interesting bit of awareness came my way this evening when I found out that my cousin's grand-son-in-law couldn't get hired by the VA because he was not a citizen although he had served for 4 years in the US Navy. Then I found out that many US military personnel are not US Citizens. So the US Military is not made up of US Citizens.
Nice guy and everything. He is going to college on a GI Bill.
That makes sense since the US Military has become a mercenary force for the globalists.
But it is treason. And as a consequence implies that the United States of America is a potential enemy of the United States Military.
To clarify: a very small percentage of the US military is made up of LEGAL immigrants who are lawful permanent residents. These people tend to be more patriotic and better educated than the citizen hillbillies recruited from the flyover states. During the last stint of the Selective Service (another oxymoron), permanent residents were required by law to register for military service within six months of entering the US.
As a US Air Force veteran, my heart goes out to the grunts, citizen or not, who fight sensless wars in the hellholes of the world and despise the financial-political-industrial puppeteers that pull the strings from the plush comforts of their offices.
Foreign nationals have been serving since they did away with conscription. I worked with many x-mil & was enlightened on this years ago.
Perhaps that's shifted some due to the poverty enlistment since all of the jobs being offshored.
Hell, they don't even need that now with drones.
Investigate my ass...this motherfucker and the rest of these asshats are gonna go after any additional whistleblowers that DARE give the finger and spill what .gov is up to. WATCH.
I have known whistleblowers in certain industries that I have worked in who blew the whistle on fraud and security violations that strict laws punish severely for violating the laws. The only thing I have ever seen is the whistleblower getting punished (fired and blackballed from the industry) and business goes on as usual with cover-up. I have never seen a whistle blower benefit in any way from their integrity.
"I have never seen a whistle blower benefit in any way from their integrity."
Well, they have integrity. That's their benefit...
Smoke and mirrors to obfuscate the smoke and mirrors make Alice in Wonderland look like a reality show. The public outrage is limited to the EBT crash confined within the walls of WalMart and the Tea Party has been reduced to a tempest in a tea pot.
One small measure of civil disobedience would be to keep your personal information, well, personal. You can do much to protect your privacy. Keep your sensitive data on an external drive (SSD, HDD, optical) and only connect it when disconnected from all networks. Use an unbreakbale, mutating key algorithm encryption, such as Cryptogra.ph for sensitive data (storage and communication) and stay well below the NSA radar. Don't feed the beast!
Author of Enabling Act, Herr Sensenbrenner von Shitzhead, reportedly "shocked" at Gestapo excesses
This guy will be made an example of... you can count on it. 1 of 2 things is almost guaranteed to pass in the next month... Someone will leak scandalous information to the press about Jim Sensenbrenner´s sex life or financial affiars... or 2) Jim Sensenbrenner will die in a private plane crash. Call Vegas... bet on it.
It's not Clapper, it's Crapper.
So now this asshole grows a conscious, and we should listen to what he proposes?
Fuck you buddy! You should be one of the first in line, waiting for the guillotine to fall, soiled pants and all! Fuck you, your kids, and their kids!
big ups for the honorable representative from the great state of wisconsin.
it's takes quite a lot for janus to commend the actions of any on capital hill...but rep. sens...(too many syllables), thou deserveth a song:
i think i'm a-gonna go & see jethro tull later tonight with a brilliant young fullbright scholar and some of his cuter grad-school foxettes -- should be a hoot. so in keeping with the theme, tull, sensenbrenner/leahy's valiant stand, and reasons better left unlisted, i submit to you this perfectly apropos specimin for its relevance, grooviness & passion.
enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq5zTznlSJI&list=PL1F001C769CC2A564
okay, sen. leahy, janus knows you're a fellow dead-head (i fondly recall your kind words on the senate floor on the occasion of jerry's passing), and so i would feel remiss i let pass this most splendid opportunity for the sharing of even greater grooviness -- en le mode du muerte:
and, yes, ZHealots, i'm well aware how often i've attached this particular song -- but it's so often called for, and now is in no-wise therewith excepted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdPOAhBp2Ag
rock the boat/
skin the goat/
wave that flag/
wave it wide & high/
summertime done come & gone/
my-oh-my...,
janus
I respectfully revoke my upvote. But, much like Sensenbrenner, it's too late.
To see someone try to bring justice...it was a shock. But on this 'reps' tombstone it should read forever, "Author of The Patriot Act". can't wash that off. It's to the point where he needs to cancel the Patriot Act, or get voted out. These are serious times. The bread and circuses distractions need to end now.
i reckon you're right; it's only that i want to encourage these drones when they start to trend (if ever so slightly) in more favorable flight paths.
when you think about the totality of all that's involved, despair and tabula-rasa-type conclusions invariably result.
like the BIG reset...kill-switch and whatnot.
if there's an upside to all this, it's that we have a complete database containing all these creatians communications, their gps tracked whereabouts; their surfing habits...all of it...all their creepy pecidilos -- the works. and i think, when the days of truth and reconcilliation come (and come they will), a reasonable argument can be made that such records concerning activities on tax-payer phones, computers, automobiles...the works...are the legitimate property of the population -- public like.
that will make for some titilating pax-six headlines.
one way or another, a new day's a commin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DR0g6oOLwM
here it comes...,
janus
"I went far, so far, further than any other to tear out the page of liberty in our constitutional rights in the name of "reason of state"; but this guy has gone a bridge too far. This is not reason this is treason!
Ha, ha. We all have our notions of "reason" and of "treason".
Where lies the truth, if its not in allowing the world to see the facts instead of hiding them under the veil of secrecy and executive privilege.
Sounds like someone is trying for a "get out of noose" free card.
Won't work
the 'noose' is firmly around the little guys' in the US, not corrupt politicians, lobbyists or media propagandists otherwise known as 'news people'.
This is the very person to call out those traitorous, jack boot, assholes. Fuck those god damn Nazi's.
This is like the Manhattan project guys saying the nuclear bomb is bad after they designed and built it.... Trying to rewrite history.
except the guys working on the Manhattan project actually were working in the interests of the US people with a huge war based on a real enemy. Unlike the illusory phantom the US says it is fighting against today.
"Not only that, he is also calling for the prosecution of James Clapper the current Director of National Intelligence, who perjured himself in front of Congress earlier this year."
What? This is Amerika 2.0. Since when is the ruling class subject to perjury laws?
I picked up a bad dose of the Clapper from watching C-Span and the God damn penicillin won't cure it.
"The key point here is that Mr. Sensenbrenner strongly believes that these guys are misinterpreting the legislation he wrote to justify everything they are doing."
Too late, moron. Your obviously total ignorance of the history of governments accelerated something that you won't be able to stop.
He wants Holder to prosecute? Come on, who's he kidding, Holder doesn't do jack sh**.
Our Dear Senator from California apparently believes that the "people" are to be feared, reviled, constrained and surveilled.
Americans, occupied from within.
Will the oppressed people begin to throw rocks and start its own intifada?
That is the only arm they want to leave you with.
I for one would be prefer that my neighbors were well armed, civil, charitable and resolute.
I would not prefer SWAT, tanks, para military and cowering in basements, aka sheltering in place.
If someone thought to invade, take the thousand blades of grass approach. That is the way forward.
Especially if that someone is the enemy within.
The Patriot act was passed with overwhelming numbers and has been subject to attack from all sides for a decade. Obamacare was bribed through on a narrow margin and it's "settled law". LMAO.