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America Fumes After Xerox "Routine Backup Test" Leave 17 States Without Foodstamps

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Yesterday millions of "shoppers" living on the government dole left their shopping carts in droves in checkout counters, exited countless foodstamp-accepting stores, and made Wal-Marts and other general merchandise stores into veritable ghost towns, after a power outage at Xerox Corp, made EBT usage in 17 states for most of Saturday impossible, and left tens of millions of poverty-level Americans unable to engage in one of their favorite pastimes: shop with other people's money. In short: the Welfare States of America were probably closer to a state of outright revolution than at any time before in history. And had the EBT stoppage continues into today and tomorrow, things would have certainly spilled out from the shopping aisle to main streets where the people's anger may have culminated in an violent expression of disgust at a state which gives with one hand and a xerox company that takes with the other.

AP Reports:

People in Ohio, Michigan and 15 other states found themselves temporarily unable to use their food stamp debit-style cards on Saturday, after a routine test of backup systems by vendor Xerox Corp. resulted in a system failure. Xerox announced late in the evening that access has been restored for users in the 17 states affected by the outage, hours after the first problems were reported.


"Restarting the EBT system required time to ensure service was back at full functionality," spokeswoman Jennifer Wasmer said in an email. An emergency voucher process was available in some of the areas while the problems were occurring, she said.


U.S. Department of Agriculture spokeswoman Courtney Rowe underscored that the outage was not related to the government shutdown.

Ok, so the EBT failure not related to a government shutdown. It was, however, related to a simple "glitch" in a "Just-In-Time" world of peak complexity, which quickly cascaded through the logistical supply chain, and crippled the "purchasing" power of tens of millions of Americans, which potentially could have resulted in lethal consequences.

This was precisely the topic of our recent post "From Cascading Complexity To Systemic Collapse: A Walk Thru "Society's Equivalent Of A Heart Attack" which many read but few seem to have grasped. Recall from the article: "The extent of our contemporary complex global system dependencies, and our habituation to a long period of broadly stable economic and complexity growth means a systemic collapse would present profound and existential challenges." Such as resulting from a power outage at... Xerox Corp? If there is any better example of a system crossing the chaotic threshold due to a black swan event, we have yet to find it.

And while this time it took just 12 hours to return the system to order, what would have happened if the failure states had propagated, and led to subsequent systemic failures on their own, halting down peripheral social choke points, and resulting in a freeze of the "backup and restore" capacity of society. In short: this time, we - and especially those 46 million Americans on foodstamps - were lucky. Next time, luck may be in short supply.

More from AP:

Earlier Saturday shoppers left carts of groceries behind at a packed Market Basket grocery store in Biddeford, Maine, because they couldn't get their benefits, said shopper Barbara Colman, of Saco, Maine. The manager put up a sign saying the EBT system was not in use. Colman, who receives the benefits, called an 800 telephone line for the program and it said the system was down due to maintenance, she said.


"That's a problem. There are a lot of families who are not going to be able to feed children because the system is being maintenanced," Colman said. She planned to reach out to local officials. "You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity," she said.


Colman said the store manager promised her that he would honor the day's store flyer discounts next week.


Wasmer said the states affected by the temporary outage also included Alabama, California, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Maryland, Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia.


Ohio's cash and food assistance card payment systems went down at 11 a.m., said Benjamin Johnson, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Johnson said Xerox asked retailers to revert to a manual system, meaning customers could spend up to $50 until the system was restored.


Illinois residents began reporting problems with their cards — known as LINK in that state — on Saturday morning, said Januari Smith, spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Human Services.


Smith said that typically when the cards aren't working retailers can call a backup phone number to find out how much money customers have available in their account. But that information also was unavailable because of the outage, so customers weren't able to use their cards.


"It really is a bad situation but they are working to get it fixed as soon as possible," Smith said.


In Clarksdale, Miss. — one of the poorest parts of one of the poorest states in the nation — cashier Eliza Shook said dozens of customers at Corner Grocery had to put back groceries when the cards failed Saturday because they couldn't afford to pay for the food. After several hours, she put a sign on the front door to tell people about the problem.


"It's been terrible," Shook said in a phone interview. "It's just been some angry folks. That's what a lot of folks depend on."


Mississippi Department of Human Services director Rickey Berry confirmed that Xerox, the state's EBT vendor, had computer problems.


"I know there are a lot of mad people," Berry said.


Sheree Powell, a spokeswoman for the Oklahoma Department of Human Services, started receiving calls around 11:30 a.m. about problems with the state's card systems. More than 600,000 Oklahomans receive SNAP benefits, and money is dispersed to the cards on the first, fifth and 10th days of every month, so the disruption came at what is typically a high-use time for the cards.


Oklahoma also runs a separate debit card system for other state benefits like unemployment payments. Those cards can be used at ATMs to withdraw cash. Powell said Xerox administers both the EBT and debit card systems, and they both were down initially.


Powell said that some grocery store cashiers had been speculating that the federal government's shutdown caused the problem, but state officials have been assured that that is not the case.


Powell said Oklahoma's Xerox representative told them that the problems stemmed from a power failure at a data center.


"It just takes a while to reboot these systems," she said.

A reboot which, one prays, does not lead to the dreaded BSOD which however can't be fixed on a wink and a prayer.

In the meantime, we hope that it is not lost on people that the weakest glitch in perhaps the most important daily government welfare system of all, happens to be a power fuse at the all too private Xerox Corp. Because while we knew that the toner maker determines the "wealth effect" of the uber wealthy, if only metaphorically, little did we know that nearly 50 million Americans' daily bread also depends on toner.


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Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:14 | 4049731 Byte Me
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Copy that.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:27 | 4049759 Pladizow
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If the EBT system would have stayed down it would have been one of the best things that could happen to America, and in several ways!

How to make a slave:

1. Control food supply

2. Control information

3. Threaten with violence

What American doesnt fit into all three catagories?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:28 | 4049769 MagicHandPuppet
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"Ness time y'all mess wif mah EBT, shis gonna get real up in heya!"

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:33 | 4049777 y3maxx
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"Ness time y'all mess wif mah EBT, shis gonna get real up in heya!"

Love Your Accent MHP. What part of Sweden You from, North or South?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:38 | 4049788 TeamDepends
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"If a man does not work, let him also not eat". It is from 2 Thes 3:10 and was said by Paul, and later paraphrased by John Smith.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:46 | 4049810 SafelyGraze
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thanks a lot, Associated Press

now the bad guys know where the us is vulnerable: the xerex nightly backups

one can only hope that dhs has taken over management of the critical xerox asset

and that doj will investigate AP

eat your vegetables!

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:46 | 4049817 Stackers
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Classic - "With Xerox You're Ready for Real Business"

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:02 | 4049860 Shocker
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Well when you have that many on Foodstamps.

Sad Times


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:12 | 4049883 max2205
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Xerox CEO is an african American on is a darling of the Barry admin

Expect no retaliation

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:45 | 4049987 hedgeless_horseman
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"That's a problem. There are a lot of families who are
not going to be able to feed children because the system is being
maintenanced," Colman said. She planned to reach out to local officials.
"You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity,"
she said.

No problem feeding children at our place, yesterday.  Our family cow is still working fine.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:54 | 4050011 Handful of Dust
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Must be someoine they can sue over this...I mean, look how many people almost starved...

OOOOHHHH, the pain....the suffering...nightmares for months....

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:57 | 4050030 hedgeless_horseman
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Of course, we are not stupid.  If the family-cow system is being maintenanced (we dry her up for 6-8 weeks before each calf is born), then we have back-up systems in place.  You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:30 | 4050117 WillyGroper
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Holy Cow!

I'm envious! That cheese is beautiful. You work like a rented mule but your reward is fit for royalty.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 21:48 | 4051663 mjcOH1
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"No problem feeding children at our place, yesterday.  Our family cow is still working fine."

Unless it shits Ho-Hos you ain't talkin EBT food yo.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:42 | 4050140 Abi Normal
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Have to say Hedgeless, I am impressed and a weee bit envious.  Your food preps, only common sense, is in fine shape.  Need some security, where you are?  I would be happy to throw my lot in with ya, I have prepped for a long time, for many outcomes.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:48 | 4050157 Joe A
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How long do you let your cheeses ripen?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:26 | 4050297 johnconnor
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you would make one of the best partners for an upcoming zombie apocalypse...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 22:04 | 4051696 Flagit
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mr. horsman

would it be too much to ask for you to post your daily/weekly scheduel?

give us an idea of how you spend your time.

im guessing you spend shitloads of time buried in your iphone, whilst sitting in gridlock traffic.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:07 | 4050052 ConfederateH
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"Xerox CEO is an african American"

That statement explains so much.   Xerox must have made massive numbers of inroads into federal government contracting through its copier and printing businesses... how to capitalize on that?  locate its "vibrant" talent and milk those government IT service contracts.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:15 | 4050077 ThePhysicist
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They'll find some cracka to blame. Bush?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:21 | 4050095 Kirk2NCC1701
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Xerox is an "At-will employer".

Expect someone to get fired as a "surrogate sacrifice" to the Wall St gods. It's how things work in 'meritorious' corporate America: Individuals rise on combination of own and others' efforts, and stay up there by sacrificing others (as Surrogates) for one own sins.

Before we get too disgusted with this practice, let's remember that this concept (of a Surrogate being unjustly sacrificed for alleged Appeasement) lies in the Old Testament itself. IOW, it is brought to us by the same people who gave us MMT, FRB, fiat money, the Fed, and who rule Money, Media and halls of Power & influence.

So... Who are YOU gonna trust? These SAME people? "Who you gonna call?"

I get a chuckle every time the sheeple affirm their commitment to their Stockholm Syndrome, by praising The System.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:24 | 4050104 rubiconsolutions
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Maybe instead of Xerox they should power EBT with Xbox. At least then it would take peoples mind off the fact they need food.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:51 | 4050159 Abi Normal
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Kirk, you must mean they are HQ'd in a Right to Work state?  If so they have the right to hire and fire at will, no questions asked.  In most instances, it is pref to union states, no?  Does, this particular incident, mean the rule will hold true?  Only time will tell buddy.  It is true, this incident, may have no bearing on right to work or not, I do get that.  Shit happens in the tech world, but to have an outage like that, will have a consequence, from the Alynski, Cloward & Piven folks.  


This is just a test run, same for Boston, they are doing some dry runs, and as things play out, this looks to be a huge shit sandwhich for everyone, I don't care how prepared one is, either.

Gonna be hell on earth, find good friends, build a community, and survive the best one can.  As for fleeing the country, to where, will you stand out like a sore thumb in a foriegn land?  

There will be no 'safe place', if the USSA folds.  God speed to you all, prepare accordingly.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 00:29 | 4051925 Dapper Dan
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Good post,  Abi

I might add, is it not coincident that TPTB have angered and provoked the rest of the world and in so doing made it impossible for Americans to seek sanctuary outside of the USA.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 02:02 | 4052004 merizobeach
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"made it impossible for Americans to seek sanctuary outside of the USA."

HAHAHA!!  Ok, sucker, stay right where you are and keep doing exactly what you're already doing.  Maybe you're right: maybe there aren't any opportunities for you outside of America!  Ha!  That's so pathetic!

How about this: you and your small mind stay within the fascist borders of your country and don't ever leave.  We expats will (somehow impossibly!) continue to live in a different paradigm (where life is much better, I might add), and we don't need any more USuckAss-ians seeping out of that shithole.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 02:12 | 4052011 Harry Dong
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I don't see what your so upset about. You'd rather live in the Phillipines (or where ever)...good for you! But then to wish to shut the door on anyone else who decides to get when the getting's good...that's just not cool. 

Maybe you're new neighbors are actually hoping you'd go back home. You don't seem to have the right latitude.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:59 | 4055046 merizobeach
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Taiwan here.  I've been to the Philippines a few times, but I really can't stand the rampant deliberate ignorance of Catholic societies.  There's a reason the PI will never be a modern country, but I digress.

I'm not shutting the door on you, man.  If you are an enterprising, independent thinker, then you will make your way around the world as you are free to do.  When I first came to Asia, most of the expats I met were backpackers and other ambitious open-minded travelers.  Such people make themselves welcome because they have value to contribute.

As the western economies have tanked over the past decade, though, there have been successive influxes of westerners from Canada, Australia, South Africa, England, and finally the US; the majority of these people have not been travelers or explorers, but instead have been wash-outs, burn-outs, and other sheeple who come here on one-year contracts, pursuing the money and without interest to learn local culture and language or assimilate in any way.  THOSE people are the useless motherfuckers that pollute this place.  As the US economy continues to decline, more of those shitbags show up around here.  I've got no time for them; they may as well be mor(m)on fucking missionaries--single finger salute in passing is all I'll spare if at all.

So that you needn't make presumptions about my 'new' neighbors, allow me to tell you that I've assimilated quite successfully.  The Taiwanese people impress me as quite unique in that they are generally not arrogant; I cannot think of another society about which I can say that.

If you, yourself, are awake and cool, how can you stand living in the USuckAss, under the oppressive thumbs of Obama, the NSA, the cops, and the banks?

I can stand to visit for a few weeks, but there is not a scenario short of total US government dissolution that would incline me to consider living there again; and even then, only after a zombie apocalypse had cleansed the place.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:48 | 4049830 WayBehind
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"There are a lot of families who are not going to be able to feed children because the system is being maintenanced,"

Yes, I can believe the regular sheeple doesnt have food for even one day ... No surprise here

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:56 | 4050179 Abi Normal
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Here is an old and scarey statistic:

Every American family is NINE (9) MEALS away from ANARCHY!

What happens if the thin veneer of the 'just in time delivery system' comes to a screeching halt?  What causes that, hmmm, govt contracts, then the unions ban together to demand contractual payments, due to shutdown and ceiling breakdown.  

I think we have TEN (10) days left to prepare for any eventuality to start to occur, it will not happen all at once, but it will be piecemeal at first, then snowballing, towards end of year chaos.


Sgt Unix Crust at your service.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 05:03 | 4052105 Parrotile
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Those who live in Metropolitan areas have become accustomed to not needing to plan that far ahead, because of the reliability of the "Just In Time" invisible reprovisioning systems that have evolved to supply this type of community. For the smaller apartment dweller space is an issue too - so there would be a conflict of needs on more than one level.

In rural areas necessity has maintained the "strategic reserve" mindset, so generally those living outside of the larger conurbations will be better prepared, often in more ways than one (e.g. secure water supply, on-site wastewater management, solar water heating, maybe a combination of PV and wind generation), simply because of the rural lifestyle,  available space, and not being "stuck in a concrete and glass box in the air" - which is the lifestyle of the majority of the US Population - by necessity as well as by choice.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:52 | 4053372 mickeyman
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Good thing it didn't happen here in Canada--it's Thanksgiving.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:37 | 4054318 TheRedScourge
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Twenty fiat dollars says the system doesn't collapse within the next 20 days.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:56 | 4049841 NoDebt
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OK, so the author feels compelled to gets in a little dig in on us Hedgies for not understanding deeply enough his previous article about collapse risk in a complex system.

Let me return the favor:  The fact that he didn't know that Xerox was behind the Foodstamp payment system tells me he might want to get his nose out of the books every now and then.  IT WAS TOUTED ON XEROX'S TV COMMERCIALS FOR ALMOST A YEAR.  You know- the ones where they talk about all the stuff they do that is NOT about printing and copying.  I recall they also talked about running some cities electronic transit token systems as well.  So, heads up, bookworm!  Might want to look into what else that craggy old copier company is mismanaging for government agencies around the country.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 20:48 | 4051513 U4 eee aaa
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What's a TV?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 22:12 | 4051728 Flagit
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What's a TV?

Tethered Visualization.

on your iphone, run the TeVi app.

blink twice to accept the Accidental Death Waiver.

start viewing.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:20 | 4053202 mkkby
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You are PROUD of watching commercials?  There's a good little sheep.  Swallow your doses of propoganda. 

Throw away that TV and eventually you can start thinking for yourself, probably for the first time.   Ah, never mind. With your sub normal IQ, you'll never learn.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 09:15 | 4052388 N2OJoe
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And the bad guys hit this american vulnerability and take out the Free Shit Army in the process.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:25 | 4050288 caShOnlY
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"If a man does not work, let him also not eat". It is from 2 Thes 3:10 and was said by Paul, and later paraphrased by John Smith.


LaQuasha would like to have some words "wid dat Aeropostale"!!!!!



Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:40 | 4050361 tvdog
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See my remarks about 2 Thess 3:10 above. Also see Matthew 19: 21-24:

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 15:09 | 4050669 css1971
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That stuff has been misquoted and mistranslated so many times it's little more than word salad now.

Here's a Google translate of the above sentence:  English -> German -> French -> English.

"The fabric was so often distorted and mistranslated, it is a little more word salad now."
Sun, 10/13/2013 - 23:43 | 4051865 Henry Hub
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***Jesus said unto him...***

There are a lot of things that Jesus said that a lot of "Christians" would like to ignore. This is one instance and the driving the money changers from the Temple is another. For the average greedy, corrupt American being a Christian is an act of delusion and cognitive dissidence.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 17:03 | 4050949 darkstar7646
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That's nice.

You may wish to start enforcing that.

Like over the course of the last 20 years or so...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 22:23 | 4051757 The Burning Planet
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Fuck Paul. Murderer, torturer and tax collector. Wrote most of the NT. I have infinitely more respect for Socrates, who lived in a barrel.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:40 | 4049800 AetosAeros
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Ghetto Visa!


What's in your wallet?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:43 | 4049804 diesheepledie
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That's actually close to chimp speak. Although much more intelligible, than real ebonic inner city garble.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:39 | 4053306 MeelionDollerBogus
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Good thing y'alls not rayciss.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:38 | 4049970 Stoploss
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I thowt zeeerox yewsed battera bakep?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:59 | 4049855 starfcker
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saw this in 2005 when hurricane wilma hit ft. lauderdale. thousands of indigeonous population lined up in the hot sun all day waiting for the trucks to arrive to hand them 2 gallons of free water. the tap water was never turned off, if you needed water all you had to do was turn the faucet. jeb bush had the trucks full, staged and ready down in homestead. they weren't moving because the beaurocrat in charge spent the day staring at his cellphone waiting for the order to roll. he didn't realize the cell towers were down. to quote pat buchanan, regarding katrina, "where were the men of new orleans?"

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:36 | 4049787 Meat Hammer
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Pladizow, it would also expose those who are scamming the system.  The truly needy would go to the local church or food bank for help.  The scammers would just say awwwwww sheeeeeeit and go sell some weed or cheer themselves up with a new set of rims for the Chevy Corsica.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:57 | 4050040 Handful of Dust
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Many abuse the system and make it tough for those really needy. Ex: last week my local grocery store caught a Senior stealing food under his shirt...I asked what it was....TWO ONIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The manager did not press charges and did set him up with the local food bank...but come on...ONIONS?!


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:51 | 4049835 Canadian Dirtlump
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IT would expedite the dispatching of death squads and martial law, as well as impact the exporting of food to the dominican republic, as well as cause a cash crunch at gay bars.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:57 | 4050041 stocktivity
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EBT cards = the bread lines during the depression.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:08 | 4050056 Gohn Galt
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"If the EBT system would have stayed down it would have been one of the best things that could happen to America, and in several ways!

How to make a slave:

1. Control food supply

2. Control information

3. Threaten with violence

What American doesnt fit into all three catagories?"

I agree and I try not to fit into these categories.  I live in NYC, grow my own food, distill my own water and have alternate power.  I hope this encourages more to do the same. 

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:23 | 4049760 Ray1968
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I've always said that riots and revolution is only one EBT payment away. Stop the food stamps and start the gunfire.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:52 | 4049840 Tall Tom
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Congress is moving to cut $1 Trillion from SNAP. I just read that this morning on Yahoo.


Well aren't they out to commit suicide? At this rate we may be without a Government by January, 2014.


Good. The writer of the main article is one of the most deserving for that eventuality. I particularly enjoy his puffed-up, arrogant approach. He thinks that he is, somehow, better than an EBT user. The Truth is that if you have enjoyed anything, any wealth out of this nightmare it is only DUE TO GOVERNMENT DEBT.


The econoimy has been Kabuki Theater since the Default of August, 1971. If you played the FRAUDULENT MARKETS and reaped REWARDS do not fret too much...You will reap that which you have sow. You produced NOTHING but the GRIEF that is oncoming like a Tsunami


If you profitted, even INDIRECTLY, from a Government Contracxt, then YOU ARE COMPLICIT. You think that you are any better than an EBT User you ARROGANT SLIMEBALLS?


Everyone in this Nation is so deserving. Because...let's of the most laughable of all of the Sound bites....


Yeah...We owe it to ourselves. LMAO. Do you know how fucking hillarious that is? Do you know how much I laugh everytime I hear someone parrot that?


Collapse baby collapse. We...owe it to ourselves.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:59 | 4049857 Meat Hammer
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Do you have a link to the Yahoo article?


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:15 | 4050076 Deo vindice
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Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:49 | 4049993 aphlaque_duck
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We all have to live in this world as it IS, regardless of how we'd like it to be.

People who want liberty still have to earn money to pay their property taxes. We still have to buy durable goods from China because that's where they're made. We have to put our savings somewhere, and so on.

I'm trying to "be the change", but refusing to play at all is suicide.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:47 | 4049822 diesheepledie
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This was just a gentle reminder from the masters that they can turn off the food at any time they want with a "computer glitch". Far easier than Stalin starving the peasants of the Ukraine, this tyrant can starve the inner city peasants.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:14 | 4049889 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. The timing wasn't a coincidence. "Power outage," my ass.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:10 | 4050064 Almost Solvent
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Other than NJ & Cali, most states are either ruby red or swing states.


Message received blue team.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:14 | 4049896 aphlaque_duck
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I picture a "peasant" as one who is indigent, but wishes to produce. The small farmer, craftsman, etc. They are the victims of collectivism.

The American EBT beneficiary produces nothing but votes. 

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:02 | 4049859 20-20 Hindsight
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Idiocracy... coming to a neighborhood near you!

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:12 | 4049886 Renewable Life
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All the quotes from State employees, describing "all the angry folks" says everything about WTF is going on!!!

My stupid fucking State over a decade ago, mandated that all the County employees that work in the welfare dept, start referring to the people they deal with as "clients", and the welfare as a "benefit"! If you don't use this new terminology, you were fired!

The phychological aspect of this entitlement culture at this point is so sickening and all encompassing, there is no going back, there is only two choices left::

Keep writing checks to hand out to the free shirt army (ohh I mean clients)


They mob rob this bitch and clean out every box store in this Country

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:59 | 4050181 Town Crier
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I get nauseous whenever I hear or read the word "folks."

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:15 | 4049897 Aeternus
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EBT riot at mcdonalds in Ohio.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:54 | 4050018 Gordon Freeman
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Poor americans are some of the fattest people on Earth--no one went hungry...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:28 | 4050302 tvdog
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It is possible for an obese person to starve to death. Most processed foods contain virtually no vitamins or minerals.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:06 | 4050051 robertsgt40
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Just curious. When was the last time, if ever, there was a "glitch" like this? I think they were testing the waters for a bigger "glitch". Bail-in sticks in my mind for some reason.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:12 | 4050067 Cloud9.5
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A riot is not a revolution.  It may lead to a revolution.  A revolution needs an ideology.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:43 | 4050145 floyd084
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Once the people start going hungry thats usually when they start revolting. We are almost there.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:55 | 4050167 Freddie
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America fumes?   No Tyler(s) - probably the majority of Americans fume because we have to pay for this BS.   You have college kids at top unis with EBT cards.  Drug dealers, illegals, endless welfare leeches etc etc. 

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 14:29 | 4050542 world_debt_slave
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the Food Stamp Revolution is well into it's 6th year.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:15 | 4049734 CPL
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Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:15 | 4049737 DOT
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LOL, my fave is,  " have you checked to see if you are plugged in".

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:05 | 4049878 nmewn
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Just a minor "glitch".

"For the past 12 days, a system costing more than $400 million and billed as a one-stop click-and-go hub for citizens seeking health insurance has thwarted the efforts of millions to simply log in. The growing national outcry has deeply embarrassed the White House, which has refused to say how many people have enrolled through the federal exchange.

Even some supporters of the Affordable Care Act worry that the flaws in the system, if not quickly fixed, could threaten the fiscal health of the insurance initiative, which depends on throngs of customers to spread the risk and keep prices low.

“These are not glitches,” said an insurance executive who has participated in many conference calls on the federal exchange. Like many people interviewed for this article, the executive spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying he did not wish to alienate the federal officials with whom he works. “The extent of the problems is pretty enormous. At the end of our calls, people say, ‘It’s awful, just awful.' ”

A public-private "partnership" in which all of the private partners are scared to death of the goverment partners, to the point they won't go on the record and tell "the public" who they are. Or what, the Gestapo gonna to come knock down their door?

History rhymes.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:42 | 4049983 King_Julian
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"Public-private partnership" is Agenda 21 speak for fascism.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:59 | 4050424 Urban Redneck
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(something both the bankers and the politicians get off on)

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:17 | 4049738 PacOps
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"You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity," 



Stupidity is depending on handouts in the first place.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:33 | 4049778 Dapper Dan
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If you are dependent on people who do not know you, who control the value of your necessities, you are not free, and you are not safe!


Wendell Berry, 

The art of the commonplace


The land of the free is now the land of dependents.


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:23 | 4050101 Renewable Life
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What's even more enraging is, when your standing in line at a grocery store and its obvious some EBT queen and her crew are buying a cart filled to the brim with processed garbage, while next in line is some working mom with half a cart trying to make her money go further!

It's everything I can do, not to explode on those fat EBT bitchez, I swear to god! Something has got to change in this Country, fast!

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 17:08 | 4050969 darkstar7646
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You're 20-40 years too late, and, as a result, you probably have about 20-40-50% of the US population you would have to "deal with" for that degree of "stupidity".

Stop talking, start doing, or just sod off about it.

Because if you don't get violent against that problem, you're effectively praying the next check shows up -- every month.

The one thing that the people who probably wargamed this did not take into account is the date. If this had happened on the last and first of the month, we're already in martial law.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:19 | 4049741 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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What's next the million mobility scooter roll on Washington?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:19 | 4049742 Frank N. Beans
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Excellent way to control the masses should revolution break out.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:23 | 4049762 Downtoolong
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Take note Ahmal, this kind of thing could be useful to us in the future.


Hey, butt out mister, we came up with that idea first.

James R. Clapper

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 17:09 | 4050972 darkstar7646
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Only one problem with that, though you would otherwise be correct:

That's probably WHY the revolutions would be breaking out in the first place.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:18 | 4049744 Grande Tetons
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Test run. 


They will cull the heard when it suits their agenda. 

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:46 | 4049988 Two Feet Studs Up
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American Blackout on October 27 on Nat Geographic Channel is the cryptic message being sent out by TPTB...prep accordingly.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:19 | 4050091 rlouis
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A government drill is scheduled for November to simulate the national power grid going down.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:33 | 4053263 mkkby
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Another TV watching sheep, I see.  Too stupid to think for himself, he learns from commercials and fake news propoganda.  What a loser, and the asshole dip shits who upvoted him.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:21 | 4049745 Sizzurp
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Don't feed the bears. They get used to it and attack.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:22 | 4049753 Dagny Taggart
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Just a thought, anyone shopping in the next week or so for groceries from a dairy or meat cooled case might want to proceed with caution... How many hours might the item you are purchasing have sat in an abandoned cart and then possibly been restocked onto a shelf? You'll never know. Buyer Beware.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:27 | 4049770 Everyman
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THAT is an EXCELLENT point.  I bet they just wheeled those carts into the back room and dealt with them later. 

Worse yet, think about all those defrosting and meat jusices getting all over and contaminating other foods.  I would add vegetables to that list as well.



Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:34 | 4049776 Dagny Taggart
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I'd love to. Where is that? The local farmers markets now accept EBT. Even the organic mennonite bakery takes it now. The "EBT crowd"  shops for steak and seafood at higher end, higher priced grocery stores. Soon the non EBT crowd will be the minority... until it's not.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:42 | 4049807 Everyman
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That is easy.  Shop at smaller stores (that could put the merchandise back quickly) not big box stores.  Those smaller stores that sell only healthy food, more raw food, vegies.  The cheetos, soda, potato chip, fozen burrito, and gummy ber crowd will not be there.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:59 | 4050184 Freddie
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Milk at places like CVS or Walgreens.  Aldi and Trader Joes are well run.  Not a lot of EBT at Trader Joes.  For meat - local butcher shops.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 15:21 | 4050704 Landrew
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Most of the people receiving food stamps are women with children and adults over sixty. 4.50$ a DAY doesn't buy much. You sound like a clown that talks before he understands what the programs are. ROBERT DOLE is the father of food stamps a gift to the farming community he thought.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 13:56 | 4053127 MeelionDollerBogus
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Nothing you can't solve with a little side conversation. "My, how was it the other day with all those EBT cards out? Quite the crowd, I bet!"

a blank stare or "not at this store" (keep an eye out for poker-face tells) and you'll know if that store is a safe one.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:41 | 4049805 mofreedom
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buyer beware expired when that lady boiled here genitals with McDonald's coffee.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:22 | 4049755 drooley
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They should've left the system down for a few weeks just to see the wrath of the FSA.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:30 | 4050119 Urban Redneck
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The Free Shit Army is dumb as shit if they think they are going to be treated any better than the Bonus Army. At least a hundred years ago the American slaves were smart enough and educated enough to understand the consequences of masters wrath in the event of a slave revolt. Even the completely uneducated in Africa today aren't that dumb.

Those who pull the strings of power and command the mob are only interested in using the mob to achieve legitimization of their intended power grab. Democracy is the tyranny of the majority, always was, always will be. Just as the result of slave revolts is a forgone conclusion when viewed through the lens of history.

I can't decide which forthcoming tragicomedy performance of American Exceptionalism by the Moronic Majority to be more depressed by- the side that ridiculed those who warned of FEMA camps begging to be loaded into cattle cars... or those who espoused liberty begging for the remaining shreds of their own to be taken away.

Time to open another bottle.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 17:14 | 4050975 darkstar7646
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Take this as a general question, not a specific one:

You really want to die, don't you?

I mean, think about it: What would stop anyone, at that point, from simply going after you with what weaponry they can find?

And don't say "My own weaponry.", because they aren't going to care -- here's a hint: For all intent and purpose, THEY'RE DEAD ANYWAY.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 13:49 | 4053108 MeelionDollerBogus
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I get that zombie-invasion tactics may apply but in this case a difference is key: they DO feel pain, WILL run in fear.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:22 | 4049756 roadhazard
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It's the middle of the month those EBT cards are already spent.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:34 | 4049780 mofreedom
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not every piece of scum lives SNAP to SNAP...they deal drugs, rob whities, braid dreadlocks...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:19 | 4050262 tvdog
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Hey, braiding dreads is an honest living for some.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:29 | 4049757 Meat Hammer
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I admit, I've been getting lazy with my prepping, but no more!  Time to add to the lead, beans, rice and double-check the bugout bag.  

But, having grown up in the welfare world, I can tell you that we producers will only be in danger after those in the hood are done exhausting each other's resources.  The FSA underworld is an interesting place, kind of like a small town where everyone knows each other, which means they know who needs the assistance and who is working the system.  Those who are truly hungry and desperate will go after the lady with the Escalade and clean her out before they turn their attention to suburbia.  By their very nature these are not resourceful people so they will take the easy path of intra-ghetto war before doing anything else.

We'll be safe for awhile, but be prepared.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:55 | 4049850 TeamDepends
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Come on Meat, how many months ago did we remind you about the beans?  When we first caught wind of this story, we jumped into the paradigm-shifting RV and teleported to a magical planet where nodody expects anything for free.  Bliss.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:02 | 4049865 Meat Hammer
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I've been sitting here staring off into a far-away place imagining it ever since.  I'm starting to smell a bit ripe.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:38 | 4049969 ExpendableOne
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Right, bought a bottle of bourbon last night to add to the stash...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:42 | 4049982 Meat Hammer
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Excellent.  What kind?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 12:25 | 4050108 Cloud9.5
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Depends on where you live.  The ghetto grew up around me.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 23:28 | 4051852 Flagit
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i cant quite find the LINK between the FSA and AL-CIAda.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:22 | 4049758 Bearwagon
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Ask the FED. They are the world's leading authority when it comes to printing. Or at least use the same equipment:

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:23 | 4049761 RaceToTheBottom
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Trial run for seeing how much the serfs will fight back where their "free stuff" is turned off....

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:25 | 4049763 KnightsofNee
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I really wanted lobster last night.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:07 | 4049874 Peachfuzz
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Silly Cracka, don't you know you can get lobster and ribs for da price of nanas in the self-check @ Wally world. It's easy fo sheezy, just put yo lobsta on tha muthafuckin scale and push for banana's, now you surfin and turfin, nigga!

(Actually saw that shit on craigslist. Gotsta give credit where credit be do homey.)

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:12 | 4049884 Meat Hammer
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I had to read that outloud to the wife.  HAHA!  We be rollin'!

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:26 | 4049765 Everyman
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This WHOLE thing pisses me off. People with their GOD DAMN hands out COMPLAINING about something they get for free!!  Entitlement mentality, for sure. 

"You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity," she said.

Not you stupid bitch, they are going hungry because YOU are a lazy ass and cannot figure out to feed the offspring you have spurted out into this world with NO CONCEPT of how to provide for their needs, because you cannot EVEN TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN.  What is worse is this bitch does not even recognize it is HER fault/problem. 


It has been terrible because these people DEPEND on these handouts?  Nothing saved for a rainy day?  Nothing in the cupboard for lean times?  Nothing saved at all?  When the card runs out you are out of fucking food, and the ability to provide??


We have LOTS of Americans that have no reason to bitch, and if they cannot cope with a simple EBT card section being down, and if THAT event cause you undue pain...


These are "wards of the state" and too fucking stupid to see anything for what it truly is.



Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:40 | 4049796 ziggy59
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So youre sayin beggars shouldnt be choosy...

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:40 | 4049798 aerojet
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Figure 6th grade education level, if that.  The people we are sustaining through this rotten system are ignorant to the max.  You can only expect they would know what a child knows, having never risen past Middle School in their ability to reason about any complex subject, and that's probably being generous.  

What I don't undersatnd is why we're all supposed to be wetting ourselves over the potential for riots.  Those lazy fucks won't do a damn thing.

There are better ways to feed people at a local level than using some massive federal scheme that is really just cleverly disguised corporate welfare--imagine what turning off all those cards would do to the bottom line of Wal Mart, Target, and the major regional grocery chains.  That's where I think the real systemic problem is--people are nothing to this system except cattle, a commodity for exploit, or a pretext for an action.  The real issue here is that our entire stock market is sustained through disguised transfer payments of money that is printed out of thin air and EBT is but one mechanism for that transfer taking place.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:03 | 4049813 Everyman
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Yeah, these idiots think that chicken, fish, meat comes in cellophane!

There ARE people of character that need this service, but not 50 some god damn million!  I want to help THOSE people out, the rest, fuck 'em!

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:22 | 4049903 rbg81
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Like cattle, these people have one purpose in life:  to vote.  They vote to sustain the Elites who do all they can to keep them dependent and ignorant, including his Highness Barack Obama .  And they seem to like it that way because the alternative involves hard work and personal responsibility.  Can't have that.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:16 | 4050247 tvdog
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The poor work much, MUCH harder than the rich. Try raising children while working 3 jobs and taking public transportation to each.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 14:06 | 4050448 Non Passaran
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How can they afford children?

Middle class can barely afford to have a child.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 18:14 | 4051107 rbg81
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I have no beef with the WORKING poor.  I do have a beef with the IDLE poor.  And the poor who have children they can't afford on the taxpayer's dime.  I know many middle class people who don't have children 'cause of the taxes they have to pay.  

In the past, the Richest people were the most prolific.  No longer.

Can you say reverse Darwinism?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 13:36 | 4053059 MeelionDollerBogus
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It's the non-working poor (who could) and the non-working rich (who steal) that I've got a problem with - seems their continued existence comes at a cost to me without my permission. The stealing rich (not working rich) being the worst (most damaging).

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 11:38 | 4049968 Michelle
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Corporate welfare is ubiquitous and runs deep. The only real solution is a much smaller population where people don't have to rely on the system for sustenance but rather can be self-reliant which is nearly impossible in an urban jungle world.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:12 | 4050237 tvdog
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Population is not the problem. Human beings, human creativity, is the source of all wealth. More people should mean more wealth, not less. It doesn't because the rich have rigged the system so that all improvement in productivity accrues to them. That, in turn, reduces further improvement in productivity - why work or innovate if the bankers will steal it all anyway?

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 14:29 | 4050545 Michelle
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So what you're saying is exactly what I said but you are too blind to see it and instead would rather blame the wealthy. So to summarize your post you said: More productivity = job layoffs = too many people wanting jobs = too many people.

People keep blaming the wealthy but it's this wealth that drives incentives for innovation that has so far allowed for unbridled population growth. This is changing folks, get used to it.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 13:21 | 4053003 MeelionDollerBogus
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More people always means less wealth. Wealth is TANGIBLE assets & creativity can only do something useful WITH what is tangible. Less tangibles are available PER PERSON when population booms. It's a fact of physics.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 17:14 | 4050982 darkstar7646
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If they "won't do a damn thing", there's no point in continuing to provide for them.

The entire point of the welfare system, on all levels, is to prevent general mayhem.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:26 | 4049766 ParaZite
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It's free, swipe yo ebt!


Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:27 | 4049767 Atomizer
Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:31 | 4049772 sgorem
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"which potentially could have resulted in lethal consequences", an ebt'er might not be able to resupply their fridge with Mad Dog, or get that carton of Camel non filtered smokes, or trade their "platium card" for cash for that winning lotto ticket, or God forbid, GET A FUCKING JOB doin something that might take a little of the load off the ever burdened taxpayer. wtf. i just wasted 3 minutes of precious time on this bullshit.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:48 | 4049820 Meat Hammer
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Have you heard the "I work but I still need EBT to make ends meet" crowd starting to chime in?

Obviously, you don't work enough.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 13:07 | 4052958 MeelionDollerBogus
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perhaps BUT unlike the 100% free-shit-army those who are trying to work enough to afford a move to a place where there's better work are at least trying.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:48 | 4049829 aerojet
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I'm not actually disagreeing with you, but the whole "get a job" statement ignores the reality that every western society has surplus population.  We don't have enough jobs to give everyone meaningful work to do.  The lower half of the bell curve is not going to become engineers, doctors, programmers, or what have you.  As factory jobs have disappeared, the service sector was supposed to replace those jobs but it has not.  

The other problem is that while it would be nice to make everyone more intelligent, it is not something that is flexible--you don't just skew the curve towards the high side unless you're talking about some kind of "final solution" tactic, which we're not going to do anyways.  Other nations ignore their poor, ours has taken a different path.  I don't really like the welfare state at all, I think it sucks because it breeds generations of unproductive people who vote for Democrats whose policies strip freedoms and further decimate our culture.  My only defense of it is that it is more humane than what Latin America does to its poor or how Germany addressed basically the same problem.  But all we are doing is kicking the can.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 14:41 | 4050587 css1971
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Historically we used to dress them up in funny costumes, have them stand in fields in lines and take pot shots at them with canons.

I expect there will be more of that coming around.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 13:07 | 4052950 MeelionDollerBogus
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Easy solution. Move.

No immigration should be illegal. More will need to leave the USA than arrive so don't kid yourself about "illegals" - many Americans will BE those "illegals" elsewhere and quick.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 17:15 | 4050983 darkstar7646
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Stop talking, start doing.

It's time for "lethal consequences" from the people who actually produce if you actually believe what you are saying.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:29 | 4049773 LawsofPhysics
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People, neighborhoods, and communities thinking and doing for themselves?  We certainly can't have that.  How will the corrupt cronies in D.C. "earn" a living or maintain power and control?

Look folks, these fuckers will try and make gravity "illeagal" if it helps them maintain power and control (which is what this is really about).  What they fail to see is there is such a thing as credibility.  Laws that cannot be enforced are not laws at all.

Glad to see states out west re-opening the national parks.  There is nothing the fuckers in D.C. can do.  Remember, when fraud becomes the status quo, possession becomes the law.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:35 | 4049781 Hedgetard55
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They will never make it to the white enclaves before they keel over from starvation/disease.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:26 | 4050291 Urban Redneck
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Where MOAR starvation awaits those few who make it... but it's not black and white, esp. since the blacks will be eliminated by the local competition before they even make it to the city limits. Something by Sun Tsu and knowing your enemy comes to mind (or the 7p's- which are much easier to remember under the influence).

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 13:33 | 4050326 mkucstars
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Those who do won't make it any farther than that.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:33 | 4049782 Atomizer
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They can no longer defy the failure of despotism.

Sun, 10/13/2013 - 10:36 | 4049783 southerncomfort
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always wonder why the spotlight goes onto the poor on ebt instead of the nice smelling billionaires who absolutely profit on the crap this ebt stuff peddles.  we need a nice recyclable graphic of the 25 human beings getting filthy rich directly from the junk EBT peddles. 

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