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America Fumes After Xerox "Routine Backup Test" Leave 17 States Without Foodstamps
Yesterday millions of "shoppers" living on the government dole left their shopping carts in droves in checkout counters, exited countless foodstamp-accepting stores, and made Wal-Marts and other general merchandise stores into veritable ghost towns, after a power outage at Xerox Corp, made EBT usage in 17 states for most of Saturday impossible, and left tens of millions of poverty-level Americans unable to engage in one of their favorite pastimes: shop with other people's money. In short: the Welfare States of America were probably closer to a state of outright revolution than at any time before in history. And had the EBT stoppage continues into today and tomorrow, things would have certainly spilled out from the shopping aisle to main streets where the people's anger may have culminated in an violent expression of disgust at a state which gives with one hand and a xerox company that takes with the other.
People in Ohio, Michigan and 15 other states found themselves temporarily unable to use their food stamp debit-style cards on Saturday, after a routine test of backup systems by vendor Xerox Corp. resulted in a system failure. Xerox announced late in the evening that access has been restored for users in the 17 states affected by the outage, hours after the first problems were reported.
"Restarting the EBT system required time to ensure service was back at full functionality," spokeswoman Jennifer Wasmer said in an email. An emergency voucher process was available in some of the areas while the problems were occurring, she said.
U.S. Department of Agriculture spokeswoman Courtney Rowe underscored that the outage was not related to the government shutdown.
Ok, so the EBT failure not related to a government shutdown. It was, however, related to a simple "glitch" in a "Just-In-Time" world of peak complexity, which quickly cascaded through the logistical supply chain, and crippled the "purchasing" power of tens of millions of Americans, which potentially could have resulted in lethal consequences.
This was precisely the topic of our recent post "From Cascading Complexity To Systemic Collapse: A Walk Thru "Society's Equivalent Of A Heart Attack" which many read but few seem to have grasped. Recall from the article: "The extent of our contemporary complex global system dependencies, and our habituation to a long period of broadly stable economic and complexity growth means a systemic collapse would present profound and existential challenges." Such as resulting from a power outage at... Xerox Corp? If there is any better example of a system crossing the chaotic threshold due to a black swan event, we have yet to find it.
And while this time it took just 12 hours to return the system to order, what would have happened if the failure states had propagated, and led to subsequent systemic failures on their own, halting down peripheral social choke points, and resulting in a freeze of the "backup and restore" capacity of society. In short: this time, we - and especially those 46 million Americans on foodstamps - were lucky. Next time, luck may be in short supply.
More from AP:
Earlier Saturday shoppers left carts of groceries behind at a packed Market Basket grocery store in Biddeford, Maine, because they couldn't get their benefits, said shopper Barbara Colman, of Saco, Maine. The manager put up a sign saying the EBT system was not in use. Colman, who receives the benefits, called an 800 telephone line for the program and it said the system was down due to maintenance, she said.
"That's a problem. There are a lot of families who are not going to be able to feed children because the system is being maintenanced," Colman said. She planned to reach out to local officials. "You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity," she said.
Colman said the store manager promised her that he would honor the day's store flyer discounts next week.
Wasmer said the states affected by the temporary outage also included Alabama, California, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Maryland, Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia.
Ohio's cash and food assistance card payment systems went down at 11 a.m., said Benjamin Johnson, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Johnson said Xerox asked retailers to revert to a manual system, meaning customers could spend up to $50 until the system was restored.
Illinois residents began reporting problems with their cards — known as LINK in that state — on Saturday morning, said Januari Smith, spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Human Services.
Smith said that typically when the cards aren't working retailers can call a backup phone number to find out how much money customers have available in their account. But that information also was unavailable because of the outage, so customers weren't able to use their cards.
"It really is a bad situation but they are working to get it fixed as soon as possible," Smith said.
In Clarksdale, Miss. — one of the poorest parts of one of the poorest states in the nation — cashier Eliza Shook said dozens of customers at Corner Grocery had to put back groceries when the cards failed Saturday because they couldn't afford to pay for the food. After several hours, she put a sign on the front door to tell people about the problem.
"It's been terrible," Shook said in a phone interview. "It's just been some angry folks. That's what a lot of folks depend on."
Mississippi Department of Human Services director Rickey Berry confirmed that Xerox, the state's EBT vendor, had computer problems.
"I know there are a lot of mad people," Berry said.
Sheree Powell, a spokeswoman for the Oklahoma Department of Human Services, started receiving calls around 11:30 a.m. about problems with the state's card systems. More than 600,000 Oklahomans receive SNAP benefits, and money is dispersed to the cards on the first, fifth and 10th days of every month, so the disruption came at what is typically a high-use time for the cards.
Oklahoma also runs a separate debit card system for other state benefits like unemployment payments. Those cards can be used at ATMs to withdraw cash. Powell said Xerox administers both the EBT and debit card systems, and they both were down initially.
Powell said that some grocery store cashiers had been speculating that the federal government's shutdown caused the problem, but state officials have been assured that that is not the case.
Powell said Oklahoma's Xerox representative told them that the problems stemmed from a power failure at a data center.
"It just takes a while to reboot these systems," she said.
A reboot which, one prays, does not lead to the dreaded BSOD which however can't be fixed on a wink and a prayer.
In the meantime, we hope that it is not lost on people that the weakest glitch in perhaps the most important daily government welfare system of all, happens to be a power fuse at the all too private Xerox Corp. Because while we knew that the toner maker determines the "wealth effect" of the uber wealthy, if only metaphorically, little did we know that nearly 50 million Americans' daily bread also depends on toner.
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RE: Southerncomfort.
Enjoy..
Dave Chappelle on Slavery Reparations
The real "Black Bush" turned out to be far less funny-
dup
It's JP Morgan, a profit from every card-swipe. Not sure if it's an entire 25 people or just Jamie "That's why I'm Richer than you" fuckface-demon. oh I mean Dimon. Pardon my auto-correct.
In Baltimore the Mayor told people in need to call 211 for assistance in obtaining food. Would not be suprised if the lines to 211 burnt up.
I wonder how many people forgot the number and called 411 for help.
Ya got dat numba fo 211?
In Baltimore, the mayor is a worthless fucking cunt.
I loved the comment from an unidentified shopper, who according to NBC tried 4 stores. Persistent in getting her free shit.
Hope she got good gas mileage.
Cash for transactions, gold/silver for savings.
Yes, that is why you need cash too, especially on weekends...
There would have been some pissed off strippers Saturday night.
I've got an idea.
Lets make people wholly dependent on us, then pull the plug. They'll beg us to fix it for them, to save them.
It'll be great ;-)
4 hours without access to food and Americans are starving to death.....
oi vey!
They just left the shopping carts there, full of groceriees? They couldnt put it back? Its not like they have anywhere to be, they dont fucking work!
My thoughts exactly.
The most selfish, demanding, ungrateful, disrespectful people are those who get their stuff *"free."
[*Note: this includes Banksters/politicians]
Exactly. If my mom's welfare check was ever late she would call and start screaming at people like she was a paying customer or something.
76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.
http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/publ...
Children under 18 account for 47 percent of all food stamp recipients. Eight percent are seniors. Forty-one percent of beneficiaries lived in households with partially- or fully-employed workers. Less than 10 percent are on welfare.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/who-benefits-from-food...
The annual cost of the food stamp program is $75 billion. 50 million Americans benefit. The cost of the military is nearly 10 times as much.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002902379
The F-35 fighter program alone is estimated to cost $323 billion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
You must, tvdog, keep in mind that the $323 billion fighter program is the SNAP equivalent for many major corporations with their
very intellligent managers and their very highly trained staffs of engineers, programmers, and designers. All of whom, because of their placement in the dollar distribution scheme, are of much more value and use to the nation and it's economy. Certainly they are different than the 'useless eaters', aren't they? Gosh, they have to be of a better class don't they? They wear business casual and lease new vehicles and eat out a lot. That must make them better, more human - no? Don't start pulling the strings on the fabric that loosely ties the whole shebang together, you don't really want fall through the holes you will make.
Actually these are the only SNAP/EBT statistics that matter:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/175176157/EBT-SNAP-USAGE-BY-RACE-COUNTY-CITY-2009
And the data is outdated, unemployment amongst the right most column and overall usage has exploded since 2009.
If they don't keep those EBT cards humming we might actually have visible physical evidence of how bad the economy really is.
http://www.tech-news.com/imagesap/bread_line_1937.jpg
EBT - Erry Body Trippin'
LOL, I saw some hood rat post this on the #ebt facebook page. Funny shit.
Doesn't anyone carry back up cash any more, in case of an emergency ?????
The real question is: When did people give up the ability of taking care of themselves?
About 70 years ago.
How about 1913 ? ;-)
What's funny (or sad) about this is all the tree-hugging liberals scold us for feeding wild animals because it increases their dependency on humans, and decreases their propensity to hunt/forage on their own; yet they have no problem doing the same thing to humans...
When did the rich decide to offshore as many jobs as possible and cut wages for those that remained? When did government decide to make it nearly impossible to start a business (check the declining number of self-employed)?
Back in the 19th century, you could walk down the street and find a job. Not now. The jobs are in China and India.
Not many of those poor slobs have any. They live EBT week to EBT week.
duh..
cash is for booze and weed
EBT is for food
Anyone who has worked in a grocery store knows that EBT always runs out before the end of the month. People who use EBT on the 3rd will be using cash by the 29th.
The only exceptions are people who are cheating the system. You can identify them by the Cadillac Escalades that they drive.
Their whole life is one big 911 call.
A previous discussion on the topic gave some people opportunity to vent against "the urban nigger attitude" which apparently is the biggest problem this country faces.
The link shows that white folks, in homogeneous, educated, Nordic Denmark, can be just as stupid and short-sighted as the rest of humanity.
Danes With World-Beating Debt Loads Prepare To Dig DeeperSolidarity is the answer. We just have to figure out how to get there...
WalMart without the FSA.
Yes, please.
12 OCTOBER 2013
Moyers: Wendell Berry On Peaceful Resistance To the Savaging of Life By Reckless Greed
I finally had the time and opportunity to see this interview, and enjoyed it more than I thought I might." ,,,, jca
The Peace of Wild Things
When despair for the world grows in me
and I wake in the night at the least sound
in fear of what my life and my children's lives may be,
I go and lie down where the wood drake
rests in his beauty on the water, and the great heron feeds.
I come into the peace of wild things
who do not tax their lives with forethought
of grief. I come into the presence of still water.
And I feel above me the day-blind stars
waiting with their light. For a time
I rest in the grace of the world, and am free.
w.b.
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http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/
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The revolution will be composted: adventures in radical gardening
Gardening isn't all about pottering among the petunias: Ruth Jamieson on the rebel gardeners who are using plants to say something political
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2012/jan/20/radic...
ZZZZZZzzzz.....huh, what? Oh, wake me when it's more than poor people overreacting and trying to get in the media.....zzzzzZZZZ
Conservatives will wait until their in chains to revolt (that's too late).
Libs revolt at the tip of the hat.
"conservatives" and "liberals" are equally to blame for causing the collapse. Actual conservatives & actual liberals probably got smart & left - they can see the police-state writing on the FEMA camp walls.
"The extent of our contemporary complex global system dependencies, and our habituation to a long period of broadly stable economic and complexity growth means a systemic collapse would present profound and existential challenges."
James Burke Connections #1 - The Trigger Effect (1978)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOp-nz3lHg
"The Trigger Effect" details the world's present dependence on complex technological networks through a detailed narrative of New York City and the power blackout of 1965. Agricultural technology is traced to its origins in ancient Egypt and the invention of the plow. The segment ends in Kuwait where, because of oil, society leapt from traditional patterns to advanced technology in a period of only about 30 years.
Connections is a ten-episode documentary television series created, written and presented by science historian James Burke. The series was produced and directed by Mick Jackson of the BBC Science & Features Department and first aired in 1978 (UK) and 1979 (USA). It took an interdisciplinary approach to the history of science and invention and demonstrated how various discoveries, scientific achievements, and historical world events were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects of modern technology. The series was noted for Burke's crisp and enthusiastic presentation (and dry humour), historical reenactments, and intricate working models.
That was a great series. Shows the true complexity and happen-chance of the real world.
Give me some Obama bucks!
Just thinkin about it.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf9icJHVQMY
Gotta love that Onion tone to the introductory text Tyler, keep it up.
I noticed your icon is suddenly on speed. Have you made it faster, or is it the laptop I'm using?
your browswer probably
I think this program went downhill when the ice cream trucks started taking them.
The truly poor, and their children, `The truly poor in waiting`, always get at least their fair share of contempt from the ,`Not quite so poor`all the way up to those who's position in the grand scheme of things allows them to comfortably judge them as `worthless people` whom they may fruitfully and righteously contemplate, `Reducing` in number!
Why is this? Does it have something to do with one of the three legs of the stool America sits on, which are Democracy, Christianity, and `Free Enterprise` Capitalism? Poor People are an embarassment to America and must be the authors of their own misfortune, only miscreants, who reject America's true values, could fail to have wealth, happiness and the certainty of spending eternity with Jesus in Heaven, this is every American's right, Exceptionalism made manifest, so to speak, God loves the people with money, that is why he gives them so much money, if you would be rich, get on the right side of God, send him some money, I'm often told `God loves money` and favors those who give it to him! If you don't know where to send it? tell me I'll be glad to tell you how to do it!
If u are fucking pooer do not have kids and rape others. I am disgusted with school bonds to never ending shit , tax payers being raped.
Tell me about it! In the local school district, they are spending $880 MILLION on "improvements" like new PCs in every class, renovated swimming pools, weather shelters, and other useless things that have absolutely nothing to do with teaching the fundamentals. They didn't even pay off the last bonds before adding more spending! For this kind of money, they should be able to bulldoze the schools and build brand new facilities. Our school taxes went up 600% this year as a result of these newly issued bonds - and that's just for the high schools! What's going to happen when they decide the elementary and middle schools are outdated and need nearly another BILLION dollars to renovate? I have no kids (personal choice) and resent having to spend this money on other's kids...and illegals kids by the droves in this area. Talk about getting raped! And you have to pay it, it's on your property tax bill as a line item. No choice and no way to stop others voting for their free shit and putting on the "in your face" tax bill.
Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
John 12
That is a Jewish idea, not a Christian one. If you want to find the source of it, look no further than the Tribe that misrules this country (and most of the rest of the world).
christianity is a stab in the gut, a negative, a detriment.
When that's gone freedom may have a chance.
How soon will it be that the libtard media will be out interviewing 'starving' kids in the ghetto.
What a great Idea! "Extreme poverty within sight of the White House", the solution could be; One of the extremely impoverished children, with the help of the nutrition provided by their `Snap` card goes on to win one of the `Idol` shows, surely if one can do it more can follow, all people need to be a `Success` in modern America is something to eat while they wait for opportunity's knock!
Too bad the revolution will be started by those who have least reasons to complain...
I can't wait for tomorrow's CNBS report on how much subsidized revenue Walmart lost over the weekend.
/sarc
Uncle Tea Party Needs You! http://shutupnsing.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/the-tea-party-needs-you/
Pathetic
Im sorry, but this is just disgusting, America has fucking bread lines like soviet russia.
This is what that is you know.... fucking modern day bread lines for the pathetic slaves.
I would rather starve, than use that cursed card.
The Plan has been there all along. I agree, discgusting shit indeed. Check out Gas Stations. 7-11 and many more all loobied for this shit. WMT was the biggest of it all. The kickbacks was great for the so called vermins in Congress and Whorehouse and Banksters.
You may get the opportunity. This depression hasn't finished yet.
Xerox shouldhave stuck with copiers and not get into IT Services. I guess Dull is doing the same thing, will see how this shit works out.
Xerox should have kept the mouse for themselves ....
the profit margins on many common items are shrinking (along with corporate profits) so to keep profits (and executive bonuses) up the "government" hands out contracts to administer large programs. This is government welfare for big business.
And when I use the word "government" I mean big business that overtly uses the government structure to award contracts to themselves.
Many years ago I worked for some small, mid and large engineerig firms and priority one was to get large government contracts as these guarantee corporate expenses would be covered and any private sector contracts made up most of the profit. Many large corporations partnered with mid- and small-sized companies to spread the cheese.
Funny how most US citizens condemn fellow citizens who can not compete in the ruthless environment they were born into but say nothing over the billions and billions of giveaways to corporations who will continue impoverishing more and more citizens.
I live in a smallish college town and was planning to attend the next city council meeting to address how WE, OUR COMMUNITY planned to address the children and mothers NOT GETTING FOOD if the EBT system remained down.
"WE, OUR COMMUNITY" - This reeks of communism. Who is this "we" ? There is no "we." There's me, and there's you. I worked a job to earn money to put food on the table. Providing for myself and my family is my one and *only* priority. If you didn't work to earn your food, then you don't deserve to eat.
Ya gotta love the people that have meetings about doing shit but not really doing shit and then they feel like they did some shit.
Not to mention those who call exactly that "doing their job" ...
Agreed. And it wouldn't surprise me if many of those people patronize those various evil corporations that are the demons and ill of all society. Kind of like Al Gore on privatejet flights around the world to charge thousands for speechs on global warming.
bing-fucking-o, lets all meet cause its for the shilllren
Your attitude illustrates the fundamental problem with America. Humans are social animals, and human society is not meant to be a jungle. Until the last 50 years or so, this country wasn't a jungle either. Now the unspoken but universal belief is that the weak deserve to be preyed upon, and having been so preyed upon is proof that you deserved it.
People who quote 2 Thessalonians 3:10 to justify their personal lack of charity are not only misinterpreting the verse but disregarding literally hundreds of other verses that command Christians to care for the poor.
Finally, the opposite side of the Free Shit Army is the I Got Mine Crowd - a group that is well represented on Zerohedge.
Memory is a funny thing. It is fluid and edited with the remembering. We tend to forget little things like the Sand Creek Massacre, the Hay Market Square Riot, and the Oklahoma City Riot because we want to imagine America of yesteryear as polite society sitting on its front porch sipping lemonade. It has always been a jungle. The relative local peace that we currently enjoy is conjured into being by a system that needs exponential growth to survive.
Whether President Obama is an acolyte of Cloward and Piven does not matter. What matters is that we are replacing the cheap oil with expensive oil at a rate of somewhere between four and six percent a year. Every time there was a transition to lower grade oil, the system was shaken to its financial core. Cross reference the timeline of production peaks of light sweet crude with our recessions and you will detect the pattern.
If the German Army is right we have between two and seven years before collapse. I suspect the cracks we are currently seeing in the system are but symptoms of that coming collapse. Liebig’s Law of the Minimum is not just some catchy name drop. It is a fundamental law and every system on the planet is susceptible to it. We cannot escape the fact that cheap oil is the irreplaceable input needed to keep our financial districts humming.
Inertia and the status quo have been able to maintain the semblance of a recovery for the last five years. Headlines of today are very similar to the headlines of the 1930’s. Recovery was and is always just around the corner. What we are witnessing now is a modern cargo cult. The politicians in Washington cannot fix it because they cannot imagine it being anything other than what it is. They are oblivious. They cannot save us. Hell, they cannot even save themselves.
Like it or not, we are going to devolve back into our community. The people just down our street are going to be much more important to our daily life than the ineffectual political class in Washington.
So when someone asks you at work on monday, what did you and your family do this weekend, you don't say anything like "WE went to a baseball game"?
My point is, there certainly are "WE"s, and we can either remember that and work together, or ignore it and continue to let our selves be picked off individually by those at the top who DO work together to pillage and rape us all into poverty. Working together does not imply "communism".
No.
"WE, OUR COMMUNITY" - This reeks of communism."
No it does not. A community coming together to solve a problem is cooperation. Noone is being forced to do anything, the people decided that some action needs to be taken, they werent forced to by some 'authority'. Big difference.
drooley,
If you want to expand your mind I suggest you read Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid." No, he was not a Bolshevik.
You are getting close to insults and defamation Drooley, for your information we are `Not` Communists, we are Comunalists and we are proud of the distinction, Please don't mix us up with the failed experiments of the past, we are the wave of the future, we reserve the right to make our own mistakes and have our own unique chapter of history!
There is NO distinction.
When you're spending the food money of those who work so they starve their own children to feed yours, it's stealing.
It is 100% equal to putting a gun in the mouth of every child that is not yours and demanding the parents put the food in YOUR child's mouth.
"Ruthless environment"? I would say ruthless government they were born into. I can compete in a ruthless environment, I can't compete with a ruthless government that has a monopoly on force. Your anger is misdirected but since you were educated by a government school that monopolizes what is taught and how you think it would be wrong to call you stupid, ignorant maybe, misguided definitely.
Duplicate
I wouldn't go as far as to trash the "we" thing, but may I suggest you instead plan how to teach the children and mothers to get OFF the EBT system.
Shut the thing down is how you teach the children and mothers to get off the EBT system (or welfare up here in Canuckistan) but who wants to endure 2 weeks/months/years worth of the resultant riots?
The US is now facing the same dilemma that Rome did; how to wean the masses off of their bread and circuses. It cannot be done without some invading army killing off their 'civilization'.
Silly linda, you don't need a frickin' meeting to do something. Just go spend all your money on food and distribute it. You've done your part then.
Wait, that wasn't the idea? Well then "whose" money were you planning on spending???
Bravo! I grow tired of the greedy selfish crowd of basement dewelling teenagers here. They can not call themselves Christian that's for sure. Funny how TRILLIONS to banks never ending and 4.50$ a day to a child makes the kids here crazy for blood. Sounds a lot like the Cock Brother trolls in action.
lindaamick, you don't need to ATTEND A FUCKING MEETING of the city council, in order to help people who need food. You could just get to know a few of them; imagine that!!! And give them some food. Oh, no, that would be too icky - actually knowing those people. Nicer to have meetings with people like oneself.
BTW, when is the next city council meeting? Bet you don't even know the date. And bet that if you waited until it, the really vulnerable actually would be sick or dead. But since you don't ACTUALLY KNOW any of these people, you don't know which ones to check in on right away.
Talk is so fucking cheap, and so are a lot of pretend do-gooders.
Oh, and I bet your "small college town" is conveniently virtually free of poor people who need food. Funny, that.
HERE'S your solution, genius:
grow your own food. Convert every yard into food gardens, learn how to raise chickens & rabbits for meat too.
Look up mittleider gardening.
You could grow enough food you'd never need EBT handouts NOR digital cash whatsoever. Think of all that yard space, garden space, WASTED on stupid green turf lawns. Total waste.
In short: the Welfare States of America were probably closer to a state of outright revolution
Made up nonsense: most of America did not even know of EBT outage.
Why should sheeples care, as along as NFL and crap is on TV and paring around with their fucking phones saying look at me at me.
bread AND circuses. You can't take one away and get the same results.
45 million may not be "most", but that's a shitload, and you can bet every single one of them knew about it.
And now the fascists have been handed the keys to the kingdom, their Reichstag moment as it were. Crash the EBT system for a single day, then wait for their urban leigons to swarm and riot in the streets, and their suburban sheep beg them to be saved from the savages. They now have their manufactured excuse for martial law (what do you think all those up armored Humvees and Urban Assault Vehicles are for?). Once they have established their full blown police state some Tea Party computer hacker will be “revealed” as having caused the crash. Then the real repression and tyranny will begin. Seig Heil!
But the only argument one could make for it not being a test is that they forgot one simple problem: The "one day" has to be the right "one day".
They can be pissed that the system is down, but the general belief is that the money is there and "will return".
The problem comes when the money is not there.
Maybe the Anonymous should target this (and likewise) system and take it down for a week or so, instead of going after the big players in the corrupted system.
In this way they will incentivise the dormant troops for revolution that, ones started, will take a course on its own.
......incentivise the dormant troops for revolution that, once started, will take a course of its own.
Granted the average member of the FSA is slovenly and classicly uneducated and won't muster before 10am but the advantage in numbers and its close association with the drug cartels and battle hardened prison inmate population makes the FSA a formidible adversary. Considering the entire sustenance of these forces is derived from other people's money stolen fair and square by their benevolent masters the democrats and republicans I assure you the 47 million strong Free Shit Army is very loyal to its masters.
I doubt that they are that loyal. When some can get more stuff for free, they will do so. It just needs a trigger. Remember Los Angeles 1992?
Imagine the uproar if these fuckheads had to get up and go to work 5 days a week.
Don't need to get up and go to a job when getting a welfare card is easier.
... and probably makes them richer than most jobs in the post-Obamacare market might well anyway.
And you thought there were problems with EBT programming?
My comments about software companies being able to sell POS EMR software to doctors because of effective govt mandate ring true. Over $600 million for an Alpha Version (and that is being generous) FAIL My analysis of the Javascript running Healthcare.gov
I have personally looked at the Javascript code running part of the Healthcare.gov website. If you are curious how I got the code, I simply typed the URL of the Javascript code into the browser address field. The browser then pulls up the entire code block, because Javascript is client-side code (not server-side).
What I am seeing in this code is nothing short of jaw-dropping. As people are now saying, this code is “CRAAAAAZY!” You almost can’t even call it Javascript code. If you sat down 100 monkeys in front of 100 typewriters and told them to start banging away, I’m confident at least one of them would come up with something far better than the Healthcare.gov Javascript code. http://www.naturalnews.com/042428_Obamacare_exchange_Javascript_critical_errors.html
Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/obamacare-computer-code-riddled-with-typos-latin-filler-text-desperate-programmer-comments-and-disastrous-architecture/#qiHDqMuATLScFfDM.99
Thank you Sun Micro for giving us a free Java, a language that is so buggy that Bill Gates must wonder who the fuck came up with this shit.
thank you for utter Fail(tm) in not understanding that interpreted client-side javascript is NOT the same thing as bytecode java (nor java source which is COMPILED, not a script).
Excellent link, Hubbs, thanks for sharing!
well, #1 I'm not surprised
#2 in theory javascript can be produced serverside like active server pages would do, jsp as well, but I think you could tell the difference. If something is customized server-side before sending in theory one could go to the page as various potential users or from various locations and that javascript wouldn't be the same.
I guess you probably already checked to see it is.
"Earlier Saturday shoppers left carts of groceries behind at a packed Market Basket grocery store in Biddeford, Maine, because they couldn't get their benefits,..."
Stuff happens, but are the people getting free stuff so angry they just walk out leaving the carts behind full of items? Cancel their benefits if they do not have the decency to put the items back. It is not the store's fault and now the employees have to restock all those fatty foods.
Many of them are not exactly known for a strong work ethic. The purge is coming.
unfortunately not. if you have a job and pay taxes, YOU are the one going to get purged. the EBT people vote for big bad bama. he's gives them everything for free. we can be replaced by h1b visas to keep corporate costs down. the useless are the majority now. if they weren't, everybody would be behind no more deficit and cost cuttting.
I just wonder why the "GET A JOB!!" crew doesn't decide to begin the purge.
It's the only way the country MIGHT survive (with about half the population)...
I see the down vote from an EBT user - sorry you have to be an EBT card user, but consider it a form of temporary aid, not a right. Be thankful for the free stuff paid for by those around you who are working and paying taxes but get your fucking ass to work and pay for yourself and all your kids.
Nope.
It was this line "Cancel their benefits if they do not have the decency to put the items back."
I've seen plenty of people paying with other forms of "money" come up short or even just decide "Oh I don't want this" and leave it at the register for those poor poor store workers to have to restock. My question is, what should we take away from those people without decency? And since when do we start deciding people are only worthy of help if they have consideration for others? Or is it just if your impoverished, that you need to lick the boot of those that feed you and bow down before your masters? My simple answer to you is: fuck you and your high horse.
For the record, I'm not an EBT user, I applied but was rejected cause I make too much. I'd love to get free food from the govy (bankers do, why not me?). Though, I do live on a govy subsistence while getting free education because I spent some time helping the banks murder poor brown people in far off lands. I also get federal tax refunds without paying any taxes. That last bit is my personal favorite.
I was stuck in line behind one of those once. Huge purchase of junk food, three cards declined and the last words I heard before I picked up my groceries and moved to another line was, "What am I supposed to do now".
And so we learn from you that you see nothing wrong with the moral hazard - nothing wrong with somebody holding a gun to my head to give up my livelihood for the benefit of somebody else who simply doesn't give a fuck? Fuck you and your crab mentaility that drags everyone into your shit abyss. Its ironic actually. On ZH we bitch about the FED being the source of all the social and economic distortions, which of course is true, but, its your attitude that holds the floor above your head upon which they walk and enables them to continue. Just say NO brother. Just say NO.
No high horse EBT wannabe. If you need help you should be helped, but for people who need help they should show some appreciation for the help they receive and work as hard as it takes to get back on their feet to help others. It is not how you handle the good times, but how you handle the bad times that defines you. When I see someone down on their luck who is helpful and greatful I help them more. When I see someone who could use help but is lazy, disrespectful or unappreciative then they do not need my help. I return the shopping cart to the store, I put things back on the shelf, I go out of my way to be nice, helpful and understanding to people in service jobs and I leave generous tips when eating out when a server is polite and professional.
" I also get federal tax refunds without paying any taxes. That last bit is my personal favorite."
I expected as much from you. After killing all those "brown people" you have learned nothing from your experience. Keep applying for your EBT I see you have the correct mindset. Have you seen the EBT video?
for PAYING customers, such as myself, I'll give them a choice. I can happily block the entire line while they wait for me to return the item OR they can decide it makes them more money to send it back with a stocker (which I used to be) and let the entire line keep paying money right now, customer after customer, none of whom will be angry I made them wait. If they insist I go take stuff back myself I'll gladly do it.
Some consider it a right for generations, its the family business. Gov't should offer work for pay. Have kids, Gov't provides day care. Don't like the work Gov't gives you? Quit and find a real job or leave the country.
Many of the EBT users would end up in jails, were it not them benefiting from this plus Sec.8 rentals.
As unhappy as many of us are about them getting all these benefits, when you look at it in the context of the bigger picture, it's better than them becoming too desperate and committing crimes of B&E, armed robberies, etc.
Because it costs a LOT more to keep them in prison than at 'home', watching their LED TV.
And with their 'education', they are unlikely to outcompete others for well-paying jobs, in an increasingly automated and technology-driven society.
It is sad but true that the Economy truly does not need them as Producers, but only ad Consumers, to help keep up the Fed's fiat+FRB Ponzi.
Actually no: with handouts reduced & locked to a real time limit they'd either get work locally or move, maybe even change citizenship.
I thought the system worked fine. I watched a guy run his card through. It signed him up for Obamacare with no problem /sarc
gimme gimme gimme
me me me
it's my right to have entitlements
me me me gimme gimme gimme
+100. My father used to say that to me when I was a kid and I'd be whining/pining for something in the store. It used to piss me off and make me laugh at the same time. Now - it just makes me laugh. Thanks for the memory.
Modern day soup lines.
Maybe some of the pissed off, empty-handed EBT recipients will eat their gold-plated Lexus SUVs.
bread/soup lines are hidden in plain sight. with section 8 housing and EBTs you can disperse the crowds throught the city. In fact it is common for cities to try to coordinate the distribution so as to help hide the problem under the guise that "its not their fault, they just need a chance, their kids need a proper education, if they have a "poor" address their chances of getting a job are less, if they do not have a free cell phone they will appear poor and less likely to get a job. What the city planners/council refuses to accept is the responibilility of their actions. When section 8 groups hit large "middle class" apartment complexes there is a spike is crime, their kids get kicked out of the local school, lots of police visits due to domestic violence calls, and lots of yelling and screaming - car/traffic blocking and fighting with the neighbors. I have seen for myself many families with EBT cards shopping and rolling their cart out to a pretty new cadillac or a nice SUV.
But, as long as the problem remains hidden in plain sight I guess we will ignore the fact that the US has already defaulted.
I say this only half kidding:
Wouldn't it be great if the producers started following Free Shit Army soldiers to their cars and robbing them of their groceries at gunpoint?
Um, excuse me. I'm going to need you to hand over the groceries I paid for. Get a fucking job or I'll greet you again here next week.
You'd be shooting them -- there wouldn't be a "next week"...
It would be difficult not to, but only after I made them load the groceries.
You're only half kidding, but why not, you are really only half brain dead!
dupe
Nutritional supplements originating at the federal level is usurpation of the States, and unconstitutional.
In my state, I would advocate an abundant supply of wild rice and dried beans, and distribute liberally as needed.
Problem solved.
How am I supposed to get my Sudafed without may SNAP card?
I don't agree with people getting free anything while others have to pay for others instead of getting free stuff themselves but really... The system is so far gone, the debt is never going to be repaid - this is all going to explode anyway. Heck these leeches are doing us a favour by quickening the end of this nightmare of a system. Once it implodes, the ones who didn't depend on government will have the skills to survive while the useless eaters will eat each other.
Well, I for one can't wait for the cashless society.
unless you are being sarcastic, you really are one dumb fking monkey.
The other thing I hope is not lost on people who are wise and observant is the power that government will assume to itself should cash become outlawed for routine transactions. Each and every transaction must be authorized in real time. A person could find that between the time they left the office and they arrived at their car in the parking garage that some government bureaucrat had declared they were forbidden to use the financial system. They couldn't use any "money" they had left in any account, they could not pay any bills, they could not pay their taxes, they could not pay their utilities, nor rent. Another bureaucracy would quickly declare that a household without running water was "unfit for children" and the children would be taken into foster care and held hostage for compliance. Such a person would be forced to flee into the subculture of the homeless. This is right out of the mark in Revelation.
And it will hinge on OBarryCare, and whatever other mandated participation is in effect at the time. You haven't signed up for your annual psychological testing? Sorry, you may not purchase groceries here...it's where we are heading.
Life will not be pleasant for those of us who resist, and refuse the mark.
That's why it's time to leave. Overthrow your slave-masters or abandon ship.
World top bankers warn of dire consequences if U.S. defaults
Andreas Dombret: Issues at the IMF-World Bank Annual Meeting 2013
Cry me a river of tears…
Am I to assume that most here think approximately 100% of SNAP recipients are lazy good for nothings? If so, that's quite an assumption.
I'd say your assessment is accurate.
You're both wrong.
Sold the cow for ebt card Jack told his mom. The hand out has turned into a veratious giant. Don't know how it ends but do know people tend to starve very quickly. Get very uncivilized with no way to feed themselves & family. No wonder ammo so high priced. No ammo for these but torches and pitch forks. Looks fair for when civil disobedience runs the street of AmeriCON'd and the most unprepared are clubbed as baby seals. Quickly retired to the rare and extinct. 1st to go in society childs break down. Moves up the food chain from there. Know I won't be clubbed out of the fray but will not take any satisfaction for those which are. We're all on the menu folks for the furry pawed clawed rat bastards to parasitically enslave us all. neoCONzi's elitists rat bastards all. From the syndicated gangters banksters to the gov goons in bed with'em. Honest law abiding citizens will be shown no mercy as 100% possession will be the law against these law less rat bastrds. You don't hold it in your hand from ammo & guns; food & water; shelter and energy; there will be none eventually at your discretional income to go freely to market and obtain. Not unless you're part of the digi income solution for all the world and international ID. It's all in revelations folks as plain as word can be but most enjoyuy other mark to fantasy fairy tales; completely trusting in the arm of flesh. When the wicked rule the people mourn. THE NEW NORMAL or just the old elitist way for slavorading all the world.
Stage 2,
We've got plenty of food and water over here at Hotel Katrina:
"you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
And afterward Snopes will simply tell you it never happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I
Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight
Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight
Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate's gone
Feel free again
O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White
Jane Fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it's okay
So let's get dressed and dance away the night
While they:
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight
Silver For The People
+1 for the Dead Kennedys reference
You mean that Xerox Corp. does not have mirrored servers in case the main server goes down? Something just doesn't smell right about this.
I bet a disgruntled Federal IT "worker" wiped out the DB :-)
Why would Xerox ever think to engage in duplication of equipment?
Anyone who doesnt think that this was a dry run of testing public reaction is an idiot.
Wall street crash glitches when trading is "ill logical".
Website shut downs
And now taking away the snaps....
The end is near
I can't wait until Obamacare blows a fuse. Need surgery now? Sorry, card won't run.
So what was it - a failed restore test or power supply failure?
One doesn't test restore on a production system, so that sounds fishy.
But I also don't understand how a power supply failure can impact some states.
Most likely a human error that won't be publicly announced.
Agreed. But then again somebody could have made a managerial decision to try something out that they shouldn't have? Or... another unrealted test of the power grid.
This is timely only because of the enormous changes we are witnessing unfold elsewhere with the U.S. military and with the power grid.
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/grid.html
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/us-general-charge-nuclear-missiles-fired http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-lindsey-graham-thinks-the-u-s-will-be-nuked/Just another in a long line of tests to determine America's tolerance and threshold for pain. - Check
Wonder if anyone can find out where Colonel North is to help us determine which scenario and "level" we are now at on the scale for 'Rex 84'?
Someone needs to find out where he lives so that we can ask.
I would wager that not a single person who had a grocery cart loaded up with goodies turned around and put everything back once they found their EBT card didn't work. They probably got angry, indignant, and left everything right there in line for somebody else to put back. These people disgust me to no end.