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Protesting Veterans Tear Down DC Barricades, Chant "Shut Down The White House"
The "Million Vet March" in Washington D.C. appears to be escalating as reports of barricades being torn down, police in riot gear and snipers being deployed, and a growing crowd at The White House chanting for its shut-down suggest the people are growing restless.
Veterans take back the Vietnam Memorial
Protesters have gathered in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, according to reports.
Park police in riot gear were deployed in front of the building.
“US Park Police have arrived in front of WH. Some in riot gear! Tea party/veteran protesters start booing,” wrote CNN’s Jim Acosta on Twitter.
A rally took place at the World War II memorial and headed to the White House, reported NBC Washington. Several thousand demonstrators came out, it said.
NBC reported that people were carrying barricades that were likely from the WWII memorial to the White House area.
The DC Police Department said its officers are on the scene.
“MPD is on the scene at White House with USSS & USPP concerning protest – marchers using sidewalk,” it wrote on Twitter.
Commentator Sarah Palin and Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) were on the scene and spoke to demonstrators.
The organizers of the protest described themselves as the “Million Vet March.”
It said that veterans and military members are “being used a political pawns in the ongoing government shutdown and budget crisis,” its website reads.
Jeff Tompkins, a protester, told NBC that “it should be open to everyone to come down here and see this … this is not just and not fair,” referring to the WWII memorial.
Snipers at the ready atop the White House as the crowds gather...
Via Twitchy,
“@JakeHarris4: Barricading the White House. "A present from your vets." #MillionVetMarch http://t.co/MzKHj1uv4v”
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Jean-Marie (@JeanMarieMaier) October 13, 2013
Vets tearing down barricades in dc and moving them to White House. Taken 30 min ago http://t.co/qrlpMTBcF4—
x3r°f?çk§ (@High1x) October 13, 2013
Amazing.
Large protesr gathering at White House, presumably carried barricades from WWII memorial #shutdown http://t.co/IIUCwcus8a—
Heat Wave (@DreWins) October 13, 2013
“@AKtransplant:Vets hand deliver barricades to the White House! !! @Triarius1 http://t.co/rgJqKTjyQX” @MatthewG101 @MTSU_Nate—
Dominic (@dgallina4) October 13, 2013
Barricades Torn down at the Lincoln Memorial People carrying them to the White House to Barricade the White House http://t.co/EdIkV21vXF—
F.R. Newbrough (@FR_Newbrough) October 13, 2013
Now, the protest continues outside of the White House.
Something is going down at the White House today… http://t.co/ThxvQBJa9Y—
Aaron Takahashi (@TakaHashtag) October 13, 2013
White House Protest… http://t.co/Gb9GjqpzKD—
(@Observer609) October 13, 2013
"We the people" Marching on the White House #MakeDcListen #1MVetMarch http://t.co/OK7rqYxgon—
Norsu (@Norsu2) October 13, 2013
"keep them open!" Veterans chant at the White House. http://t.co/L4qtZneuxg—
Whitney Waters (@WhitneyWaters14) October 13, 2013
The march has arrived at the White House #MillionVetMarch http://t.co/QKbjNA2Hit—
Jake Harris (@JakeHarris4) October 13, 2013
The Vets are at the White House chanting, "Obama must go!". Love it!—
Sandra (@SMC_35) October 13, 2013
#greta #pducey #freedomworks #teapartypatriots t2sda shutdown the White House #stopthetyranny http://t.co/xursgfIe67—
Diane Nobles (@freedomdiane) October 13, 2013
#barrycades now at White House South lawn #tcot #shutdown @TwitchyTeam http://t.co/VemOljpn3Z—
ibreakthings (D) (@Kudzu81) October 13, 2013
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Man up DC! Just shoot a few veterans and see what happens!
GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS!!!!
Hang the autarch!
And his merry band of blundering buffoons.
How many vets does it take to piss off a praetorian sniper?
Go Vets!!! Tell the traitors in DC they will not get away with this hypocricy! I tell you people, this thing is coming that will make a man pause...prepare accordingly. Things are coming to a head it seems, as I've said for many years, all I see is trouble under every rock I turn over.
The ride has been fun my friends, stay thirsty!
And so it begins...
Burn that mother fucker down!
May God or whatever else gives you the strength you'll need to fight this fight be with you.
Amen, Meaty one!!!!
May the chips fall where they may, PICK A SIDE!!!!
If a sniper gets an itchy trigger we'll finally see the revolution we've talked about.
Obama looks out a 2nd floor White House window and sees "World War Z"
Mohammed Morsi is sitting under house arrest watching this on TV right now. He's probably jumping up and down on his couch screaming "See! SEE! SEE!! How do you like it now Mister Big Smarty Pants American President?"
NoDebt, now THAT was funny as hell, you made me spit beer on the keyboard just a bit.
BREAKING: Washington Redskins drop "Washington" from their name because it's embarrassing.
Quick, shoot em before they get away !!!
This is nothing, just an appetizer. Just wait for the Food Stamps crowd to show up once there is no money for the free meal.
Doh, that is what I fear the MOST, then there is the DHS...which could be worse? Methinks both are as bad as the other...prepare accordingly.
So, the DOGS OF WAR declare WAR against their own veterans, huh?
I have in fact been to D.C., and it reeks of garbage and decay. The high and profuse smell of rotting human effluence permeates every corner now; the stench of the deals and the insider trades of blood for money now stains this cesspool in a rotting, festering stench that rises to the Heavens!
The FEAR you speak of, 'ABI', is that of a man who is not prepared to face what is coming, if good people do nothing in the face of the evil that 'you' see 'surely overwhelmes' you.
While you hide in your caves, and cower in your Maginot-Line-type 'bunkers' with your Chinese-made genarators and your 'freeze-dried' foods, the GREATEST GENERATION is there in the rain and cold, still fighting to give you pussies the FREEDOM that was promised.
FUCK THE DHS!
FUCK THE NSA!
FUCK THE FED!
FUCK ALL the agencies that take our FREEDOM FROM US!
Well, if you want to FUCK, you need a hard cock to carry it out, not a limp dicked 'response'.
I, for one, spent the morning cleaning my weapons, my blinds open, and spent yesterday out on the target range, honing my skills.
SURE, I'm scared. Who in their right mind WOULDN'T BE?
Like Gerald Celente is famous for stating, "When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose."
I feel a song coming over me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRqCOIsTx8M
DIG YOUR BUNKERS! YEAH, that will help...
I believe Celente said:
"If man loses everything, and has nothing to lose, he loses it".
I dig no bunker, I will live or die a man standing on his own two feet, not living bent on one knee. I am in your camp, yet you do not see it. I hide in no cave, and will meet my fate as it comes.
My cock is hard and I am locked and loaded, hoping beyond all hope, the collapse never happens...deluded as that may sound.
Ready to build a community are ya?
Tell me you are not a 'Devvy Kidd'er....
If our genius "intelligence" and " law enforcement" personal had a brain cell they would join the Vets in their protest.
Republicans attempt to Hijack Vetmarch:
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Republicans-attempt-to-Hijack-Vetmarch
Interesting little post of mine...
As we know, history doesn't exactly repeat, but it rhymes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXXs56tiZKU
This will end badly. It always does.
I am Chumbawamba.
Million Vet march got downgraded to the 200 vet march? lol
Gotta love those confederate flags too!
And what's with Ted Cruz?
Heres a freebie: when the EBT goes tits up the DHS can employ the free shit army!
Not surprised you would make such a comment, JC, as it must have been torture for you seeing others actually standing up for themselves against corrupt and tyrannical authority, and willing to publicly condemn an unaccountable and sociopathic power structure, something which we all here know you literally cannot abide.
must have been torture for you seeing others actually standing up for themselves against corrupt and tyrannical authority, and willing to publicly condemn an unaccountable and sociopathic power structure
Well I'm sure wandering down to the white house on a Sunday afternoon is a grand accomplishment, but naming your march 'million' and having maybe a couple hundred folks show up is pretty hilarious. Throwing legendary clowns Sarah Palin & Ted Cruz into the mix doesn't help them look any less ridiculous (not to mention the confederate flags).
Lot of cameras though, almost a 1:1 ratio of cameras to protesters.
Sorta like every other Million something March huh?
The Million Muslim March had like...twenty...including cameramen.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/million-muslim-march-bust/2013/09/11/id/525176
But do note the cranes in the background of DC...they're living large like the parasites they are.
The Million Muslim March had like...twenty...including cameramen.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/million-muslim-march-bust/2013/09/11/id/525176
That's funny too. The lesson being not to name your march after a famous African American civil rights march which was actually somewhere in the ballpark of a million?
I went to the 9/12 "Tea Party" march in 2009. Media reported "thousands", park officials estimated over 100K and others viewing arial photos had over 300K in attendance. I just know there were a hell of alot of good people that came to Washington that day and were ignored by the Obama's cheerleaders in the MSM. The shit blizzard is on it's way, time to prepare is running out.
http://mrbrianoconnor.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/912_march.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capi...
If its somewhere "in the ballpark", its still not a million, is it?
I realize it's not very likely that any of you have stormed any walled fortresses lately, but am I the only one who noticed that the barrycade, so thoughtfully provided by the jackasses in the Park Service in their efforts to make us feel pain, actually look very much like scaling ladders which could be used to climb over...walls and fences?
Possession is 9/10ths of the law...lol.
But I do wonder, how much of our money was wasted, by ordering our barricades, to be erected against us.
Yeah but there are really a couple of million veterans who support this. Not like code pink and the race baiters standing around a grave, which was the only shot the MSM sent out.
The corruption of the media is so pervasixe that only a shill or a FSA advocate would attempt to deny it.
There is a change comming and it will be painful and destructive. Ever notice how economists speak of creative destruction without a concern for the people involved. Luckily economists will finally get to feel this pain.
Amazing how this disscussion follows the same paths that the oodles of peace marches have. Emotions tend to trounce on logic (and I'd have to side with JC on this one).
You can beg from POWER all you wan't but you ain't going to "get." And, really, this is more than just asking for "something," it's asking for POWER to become un-POWER. These folks are there to SERVE POWER. They are NOT going to step aside. Anyone who doesn't understand how they've set up the game ought to stop asking for others to "be involved," if that is, they're really wanting to be sincere about some meaningful resolution/solution.
I would be happy to debate ANYONE using logic rather than emotions.
I'm fucking tired of all the BS that covers all this stuff. The "save the turtles," the "save the confederacy." It's ALL the same fucking BS! Yes, I get it that there's an element of "truth" behind each of these things, but let's face it- these kinds of things KILL the underlying objectives (they give the "other side" a target to combat against).
Please don't puzzle James Cole with such logic. I'm sure he's probably on a flight to Thai-up-land for some grope therapy.
So, splain again to me, the circumstances of why you live in Switzerland and feel compelled to comment on American society, in general?
TIA.
So, splain again to me, the circumstances of why you live in Switzerland and feel compelled to comment on American society, in general?
A question for Tyler?Its not directed at Tyler, its directed at YOU, James.
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Well?
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With your silence, I'm starting to think you abscounded with "taxpayer monies" and hid them in a Swiss bank...James.
Not very "progressive" you ;-)
Haha! Wouldn't that of been nice? Do you know what hr it is in Geneva right now?
Anyway, I dont know what you're trying to get at.
I'll tell you, you should shut your ignorant ass up.
The Confederate Army was the last army that fought for my rights. I DO love the Confederate flag!
Not saying GOP wouldn't try it, but, many in the media would be more than happy to cast everyone involved in these protests as 'Tea Party Republicans". Even this article/thread has a quote from CNN calling them "Tea Party Vets" booing the police response. The media is doing it. Watching the media pick the winner is a mistake. This all could backfire, implode, or explode on a moment's notice.
Great to see somone else gets it...
Create a better system/life and make the current one obsolete. Applying energy against POWER only results in GIVING it MORE POWER.
Local communities should get folks on the same page. A start is that no defaults or bankruptcies are to be honored if the contracts are held by some big Wall Street entity. Local "enforcement" people should be given instructions not to go against this. And rather than paying out to the IRS monies could be initially paid to the local government for direct application to the local community: paying the same amount that would otherwise go to the IRS would show that it's not just about being a tax dodge; later, after the IRS no longer had power, taxes can then be adjusted down. Just tossing some stuff out... (though I'm not one to promote "solutions")
I like the look of civil disobedience these days.
Naw, the banksters will never spend energy protesting on the streets...
I nominate Thunder Child for best comment of the week!
Well done sir.
Obama ends up like Mussolini
He skates off with his pension
Ummm, got news for ya, Mussolini was dangling from a rope!
yes, right after his little "tour"of the city.
LOL - I bet that ends up in Jay Leno's monologue on Monday night.
LOL. yeah; it's pretty droll, alright. things that come around are rolling around pretty fast.
More like what Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette saw from their window during the Women's March on Versailles that started from a bread riot in Paris. Early days yet.
"Let them eat EBT cards?"
Indeed.
Seeing the " tree of liberty being very dry" chocked me up. I'm proud of these guys! Got bless the vets!
Look out Vets!... plan for all contingencies...
If the Obama Admin gets frightened enough...
They'll probably start to use those millions of rounds...
Of ammunition Napolitano bought through the DHS.
Wasn't "millions of rounds."
It was billions.
Literally. Six or seven rounds each for every man, woman, other, and child in the U.S.
Lethal rounds designed for the purpose of killing. Banned from use in warfare by international law. Not that that matters, because they weren't bought for the military or use outside the U.S.
I wonder why they bought them.
It should be obvious why they bought them. They bought them to kill people, people in the USofA like you, me and our neighbors. I doubt they plan on using any of them on Blankfein or Buffet.
Well Mister Potato, just think about it. We may see the the ammo be "Rehypothicated" a little bit at a time. That would help with the shortage that people did not see coming.
Over 2 billion rounds purchased by the Obama/Homeland insecurity goons. They intend to use them on US citizens.
With how some of those idiots shoot, they don't have enough ammo.
Million man march? And they stopped at the gates?
Why??!
All they need are a few hundred willing to die for the cause and the rest willing to crash the gates. Protesting alone accomplishes nothing these days. Heads on sticks accomplishes something.
All they need are a few hundred willing to die for the cause....
Willing to die............Ay, there's the rub......
yea, run that scenario a few more steps before you give the order to charge.
Domestic War "V"
There fixed it.
Meat Hammer: "If a sniper gets an itchy trigger we'll finally see the revolution we've talked about."
Don't even say such a thing facetiously. It would be entirely too convenient as a false flag to avoid dealing with issues. When tensions build, evil men create distractions. BEWARE OF FALSE FLAGS.
On 29 July 1932, the US government attacked its own decorated war veterans, under orders of President Herbert Hoover ...
Historical video of attack, with gas grenades, bayonets, and tanks, US gov burning people's humble shacks and worldly possessions
Attack carried out by General Douglas MacArthur, Major Dwight Eisenhower, and Major George Patton
Out of work and homeless veterans were asking for payment of their bonus promised from World War I, the 'Bonus Army' denied by Congress
7 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOsIB5VMSQ
Yes, true thing Meat. Bank Guy is right, the Bonus Army Revolt was put down with extreme prejudice by the Govt. It may have been called the Banker Revolt as well. Don't think these idiots in DC would not do the same thing, if things got out of hand, which I don't think it will.
I consider this action as a shot across the bow, so to speak, Ozero has been formally served papers by We The People.
A lot harder to manipulate the truth these days with cell phone cameras and Twitter. If they go out there Gestapo-style it won't go well for the White House.
Dear leader is a sociopath - we are not dealing with a rational individual. This protest may only serve to make him more reckless and dangerous. We are living in interesting times.
Forward (over the cliff)!
Pissed. Mighty pissed that His Way is Not Being Followed. The Narcissism and Ego-Centricty are Mightly Offended. The Arrogance of the Masses. Stupid Peasantry. Affronting Everything for Which I, the Constitutional Scholar with all History Sealed, Claim.
My Anger Burns Bright and In Response I Shall Accelerate Their Demise, the Rotten Miserable Peasantry.
Let Them Eat Shit for All I care.
Causing my Puppetry to be Questioned by the Handlers.
Assaulted upon Every Side.
Who Do They Think They Are?
They Act as if They Think They Own the Country.
Revenge Will Be Mine
signed,
Him
Obama will stand his ground on the budget impass. As we see today not only is he not willing to negotiate but is now conditioning an agreement that includes reducing the sequester cuts as well as abandoning Obamacare delays and spending cuts. This is about power. Absolute power and he will not back down. Every scandal we have seen to date, no one, not a single person has been brought up on charges. This is to tell us they will not be held to account. The NSA leaks are more of the same, letting us know they have us by the balls while denying everything with a wink and a nod. And now the closing of the parks, an "in your face" move if there ever was one. They are daring us to act, but they don't want violence because they are bullies and bullies don't want a fight. They want to intimidate us, they want us to submit.
National Parks...yawn.
wake me when the close the Eisenhower Interstate System.
the one with all the tolls?
"This is about power."
Good to see that you've woken up from that nap.
It's ALWAYS been about POWER!
When the fuck are people going to understand that the REASON why it seems like this is something new is because it's now happening to more and more of us/them? And when are people going to undestand that TPTB aren't wanting to create a big fucking mess? It's OUT OF THEIR CONTROL! And the reason is is because there's no longer any easy places to plunder, the "fix," war, would now have to entail REAL "opposition" (and their bunkers aren't likely to hold up under a REAL war).
Make no mistake about it, all the frictions are due to dwindling resources. Toss out all the bums, tweak whatever, but know this: if the grow-or-die paradigm isn't challenged we'll be right back in this very same situation (very quickly as the exponential function would map it out).
As an aside, the officer put in charge of quelling the 'Bonus Army' revolt was a young and impressionable career Army officer named George S. Patton. General Smedley Darlington Butler declined this 'assignment'.
Well, we mustn't mention Smedley's name because he spoke poorly about the capitalists... You see, people are so fucking hung up on the ideological merry-go-round that they cannot concentrate on what fucking matters (get rid of ALL POWER!).
The Bonus army was financed by Prescott Bush no? Agitated legitimate grievances to foment a violent coup no....? Seeing as though the Tea Party is just a PAC paid for by the Koch Brothers (despite some good ideas there) might this be another similar attempt at a coup like we see in egypt? not hating on the vets - just watching out for who is pulling the strings....
Unfortunately, your overview is correct, mostly.
WE KNOW. Some really hate the reality, yes?
OWS was, in FACT, co-opted by the KOCH BROTHERS...
As was the Tea Party.
So it is the KOCH BROTHERS that are fucking the whole country up! Well that should be pretty easy to fix then right? How many media centers do they own again? Which politicians are they unduly influencing that are wrecking our economy? It surely must be those inept spendthrift republicans that are blowing the lid off our debt that are in the Koch's back pocket. I think we have enough crooked backstabbing politicians willing to fuck us in our face to worry about rather than inventing more boogey men. Maybe later.
The politicans are there to serve the likes of the Koches and Buffets and Soros'. This seems to have been pretty well understood, but when the Koch name comes up the LOGIC is turned under...
The hypocriscy just fucking oozes...
YES FUCKING YES, ALL MOVEMENTS GET CO-OPTED! It's the same fucking mechanism that has us ping-ponging between "parties."
OWS was a good idea. OWS now is fucked.
Tea Party was a good idea. The Tea Party is now fucked.
REALITY!
Note the fact it was the GOP in Congress made the budget cuts, and the WH the focus of protests. Making sure Confederate flags showed up in the media photos.
These are muppets doing the astroturf.
On the other hand, both the Tea Bagettes and Barry want austerian cuts to government.
Maybe not muppets.
But any protest is disorder, and disorder threatens the timind, tiny world of TPTB.
Muppets or not, this is bad visuals for the banker elite.
Holy fuck that is some cognitive dissonance.
The reason you think this way is because you forgot to mention George Soros. Now please tell us about him. If you can not, then the insanity you are trapped is fatal.
Lock and load.
This is why DHS exists. They know the current military would massacre their own officers if a modern McArthur gave that order.
actually they wanted the bonuses paid in full, ahead of time. just a little tidbit of historical fact.
Hmm... interesting. I also found it interesting that one of the men interviewed said he'd wait around until 1945 to collect. Curious he picked that year (13 years seems an awful long time to wait).
That's when it was supposed to mature and be cashed out/available to the vets if I remeber correct.
I believe your memory serves you well.
"...our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation: testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated. . . can long endure." [One] "conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created [before the eyes of law] equal. [Therefore], "from these honored [men, under instruction by God,] we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion. . . that we here highly resolve . . . that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. . . and that government of the people. . .by the people. . .for the people. . . shall not perish from the earth. "
Small showers last long, but sudden storms are short;
He tires betimes that spurs too fast betimes;
With eager feeding food doth choke the feeder:
Light vanity, insatiate throat-bound cormorant,
Consuming means, soon preys upon itself.
This imperial throne of knaves, this tempestuous wilderness,
This earth of promise, this seat of Mars,
This once other Eden, demi-paradise—newly demi-hades,
This oceaned fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of outside war,
This stony inbred breed of mild men, this little world,
This semi-precious stone set in the several sea,
Which serves it in the office of a shield ,
Or as a moat defensive to a divided house,
Against the envy of much happier lands,
This blighted plot, this earth, this realm, this Columbian,
This nurse, this teeming womb of purchasable men,
Fear'd for their intrigue and famous for their filching,
Infamous for their deeds as far from home,
For idolatry’s service and mocked chivalry,
As is the sepulchre in bent Jewry,
Of the world's ransom, blessed Mary's Son,
This land of such despairing souls, this once dear land,
Dear once for her reputation through the world,
Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,
Like to a tenement or foyer given over to swineherd:
Amerigo, bound in with the ambivalent sea
Whose rocky shore beats back wounded claimants’ siege
Of watered down promise, these now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
Which New World, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.
Ah, would the scandal vanish with its integrity,
How happy then were all ensuing death!
But, but... Patton, McArthur and Eisenhower are all heroes!
But here we go, people asking for something FROM the govt!
I'll again refer to Shay's Rebellion as being a better model given that it was a more encompasing revolt against the govt/POWER.
Based on the notion of "shutting down the White House" I'd have to say that Shay's Rebellion is a closer comparison: the Bonus Army actions were not asking for POWER to step aside.
The other thing about Shay's Rebellion was that it wasn't some delayed reaction.
NOTE: I hope people don't get me wrong on anything I say that might "appear" as an attack on vets (I'm one, though that shouldn't matter- I don't seek ANY special priviledge). I attack LOGIC (poor logic that is).
The media called the payments a bonus, but it was really just deferred pay. The 4.3M or so U.S. WWI soldiers were only partially paid during their service, $15/month for pocket money (a third or less of their pay). This was typical at the time. Countries didn't think it was a good idea to let the active duty soldiers in the field to have much more than some spare change for smokes or an occasional pint.
After discharge, U.S. WWI vets were retroactively 'paid' an additional $1.25/day for their overseas service or $1/day for stateside service. The government either didn't have the money or didn't want to pay everyone in 1924, so soldiers got an interest-bearing IOU from the federal government payable in twenty years or after 1945. Average amount due: $1000. The vets were losing their property, farms and houses in the depression and asked to be paid for these IOU's early if they needed it. The government said screw you so the vets marched to D.C. The media promptly labeled them communists attempting to overthrow the government of the U.S.
Fun chemical warfare fact: Chief of Staff Gen. MacArthur paraded the army through the protesters, then had Patton's men don their gas masks and gas the vets with Adamsite. It's not tear gas and rarely used for riot control. It's a Dx-class vomiting/choking agent (DM) used in the trenches during WWI. Early gas masks would let enough in to make a victim vomit, which would force him to remove his mask and subject him to the effects of other more lethal CWs. Admsite effects lasted hours, but usually are not fatal.
The media prefers to call it 'tear gas' or a 'riot control agent' so it doesn't sound too bad, but Adamsite is unquestionably a chloroarsinic DM vomiting and choking agent. It was banned by the west for use against civilian populations in the 30's. Go figure.
got any links for that info, specifically about the pay scheme? it is my understanding that the "bonus" was supposed to be basically a retirement thing, and that the law providing for it was not passed until 1924, over a veto no less. then the depression hit and the rest is... history, i guess.
Historians have characterized it as retirement pay or life insurance. Soldiers coming back from Europe saw the astronimical wages factory workers had been making while they were overseas and figured they deserved as much. The original post-war legislation was called the Compensation Adjustment Act, but popularly known as the Bonus Bill.
http://www.v-r-a.org/docs/bonusmch.htm
There were also something like 21,000 new millionaires in the U.S. as a result of WWI. Bankers and defense industries.
Don't burn it, burn THEM.
Wishful thinking i suspect.
@ 'MEAT HAMMER':
In reply to your comment,
"And so it begins...
Burn that mother fucker down!"
I was present, also, in the 'Rock Wars'. 'Lord, strike that "poor boy" DOWN!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2R2KXNQR1M
Bring the reactors up!
RAMP UP! 115%! NOT ENOUGH?
250%?
Let the CRADLE OF LIBERTY ROCK!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFez84xaR6Q
Will you JOIN US?
@ Meat Hammer: "And so it begins..."
American Spring, Obama Fall. Now that's Hope & Change I can believe in! :-)
What a charade. Let's see these vets march on the Federal Reserve branches in New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta and the rest where the real damage is being done. Let's see them march in Bluffdale, Utah at the NSA data vacuum center. Let's see them break through TSA checkpoints in the nations airports. Let's see them march at the pentagon which engages in immoral wars against sovereign nation resulting in death and injury to countless innocent people. Those kinds of actions would get my attention and respect. This however, color me unimpressed.
@rubicon....and while they march, you type a critique.
Fuck you punk.
That's just Obama typing furiously while "sheltering in place" in some undisclosed location deep under the White House.
He's got Reggie "My Man" Love with him and has locked the Black Wookie and her mongrel pups out stating that if she truly loved her man she'd fight the zombies to the death.
holy shit
@ 'knukles':
It's going to get fun!
WATCH...
@Gringo - Actually, I've done quite a bit. First of all I went back to SE Asia in 1999-2000 for several months to help remove the landmines and unexploded ordnance that we left behind during the immoral war that killed 5,000,000 Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians. After returning home I threw away my ribbon/medals and shred my honorable discharge and dd-214. There was (and is) nothing honorable about serving the military-industrial complex. It's obvious that like most people you genuflect to the military. It's not a surprise however because the military has done a brilliant job at marketing itself as different and morally superior to the rest of government when nothing could be further from the truth. You all sit and complain about the TSA and NSA and CIA and the other alphabet soup of federal tyranny which usurp our liberties. Yet the military is exempt from any criticism. There is no difference between a soldier and an IRS tax collector. One is trained to kill and the other to steal. These vets that are marching on the district of corruption are doing so to gain access to memorials for wars that have destroyed millions of innocent lives. I find that repugnant. Tell you what there @gringo, why don't you hop on a plane and go to where a war has been waged by America, see the damage first hand yourself and then come back and we can have an intelligent conversation. Otherwise, you really are speaking from a place of ignorance. But hey, thanks for your input.
My hat's off to you Rubicon.
He's right. One must strike at the heart of evil, to the ones holding the puppet strings, and the Shite House is not it. I would no more defend a war memorial than I would a memorial to rape. Those involved in war may have been tricked into thinking they were performing a service but really they just played right into the controllers hands who made a "killing" off of the death and destruction that the war machine had caused.
"All war is a racket."
Major General Smedley Butler
Aw-oh.
We.ve got another one that can SEE!
WARS cost MONEY. SHITLOADS of MONEY.
GOVERNMENTS are usually empowered by the promises of 'wealth for the masses'.
BANKS are put 'in charge' of the 'money supply', and the 'masses' support this, because they are temporarily 'empowered' with the false promise of 'eternal growth'. SOMETIMES, the endless killing machine is called to account by individuals who have seen more than they were supposed to see; in terms of the 'end results' of 'conquering and conquests'; like those such as Smedley Butler.
Going out on a limb, posting this link; but it is quite valuable:
http://dprogram.net/2013/09/13/major-general-smedley-butler-the-military...
END THE FUCKING FED!
Central Banks love war and are the scourge of humanity.
War and the FED: Lew Rockwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9lS5k7H5M
I think I've heard your song before. The noble man of conscience, ashamed of his military service, who wants to buy the world a coke and teach it how to sing. I think it was sung by John Kerry.
You're a progressive troll, nothing more. Transparent and disingenuious.
Be advised, like the NSA, the patriot movement are keeping lists of their own.
That being said, I've no further time to waste responding to Obamaites other than to reiterate..Fuck you punk.
James Madison: “A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.”
I guess the founders were Progressive.
Ya done good.
I find it mildly amusing that soldiers swear an oath to protect the constitution; a constitution that does not even permit a standing army.
pods
Ecept that the founders made no provision for a standing army.
He never mentions Obama and I searched for previous posts and no where does he sing the praises of Obama. Just admit that your knee jerk reaction was wrong instead of doubling down on stupid.
@ GRINGO:
'mericuh.
Fuck yeah.
Bed, Bath, and Beyond!
Food Stamps for the 'undocumented'!
LISTS! (fuck, yeah)
'I've no futher time...' (fuck yeah!)
NO, FUCK YOU there, in the bowels of the bullshit and feces that is YOUR LITTLE WORLD of the ALTERNETS. Before they come and break your arms, I hope they give you a Valium. Before they break each individual bone in your hands, I pray that they give you a shot of Opium. You serve the masters of the moneychangers quite well, but you are sounding rather weak, now, and ineffective. Do 'they' rate your effectiveness in the Information War on the number of 'down-arrows' that you get? Are 'YOU' representative of the 'Constitutional Patriots' that call for the END of the CENTRAL BANKING CARTEL?
I didn't THINK SO.
PUNK!
By the power vested in me as a Free Citizen, I hereby link the following satirical video, in honor of the TRUE PATRIOTS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5ZRE26YWM
FUCK the MIC!
Sounds like somebody needs a nap.
So the "Patriot Movement" is a bunch of fascists too?
You're a plant here to discredit the Patriot Movement and just as a big a trololo as your sparring podner there.
You're not familiar with the brownshirts, I take it. Maybe I'm a plant hired by the British to discredit the brownshirts!
(Inconveniently, they really were a bunch of fascists, like a certain other group...)
So you seem to be a great judge of other people...what are your feelings?
Retired Special Forces Master Sergeant Stan Goff explains what military life really entails.
Cry me a river....you couldnt figure out 18 that Nam was BS? Dumbass
Information didn't flow as quickly to people in the 50s and 60s as it does now. Whether or not the quality of the information has been dliuted is another topic.
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The military is far from being exempt from criticism. I think the left has been doing a pretty good job for years on that front, even though they seem to be in power when most wars begin. They like to start wars and then trash the soldiers for sport I suppose. The only reason the left supports a standing arming today is for fear they might need it against us radical conservatives.
How many people did Pol Pot kill? I suppose in your wolrd that the plastic bags they tied around peoples heads were not easily found without metal detectors!
What are YOU doing.........?
Oh, really, mr armchair quarterback? have you and your forces outdone this? I'd like a link.
Those kinds of actions would get my attention and respect. This however, color me unimpressed.
I don't think the vets are trying to get your attention or respect. The banksters didn't close the memorial. Why don't YOU march on the Federal Reserve? I colored you brown, like a turd.
Those pukes in DC can't afford to keep an open space OPEN, but can afford to pay thugs to keep it CLOSED. WTF? Like sequestration, this shutdown is purposely rigged to fuck and piss off the general public. And those fucks in Congress want to backpay .gov employees when they reopen. Fuck you, .gov
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ZH is still filled with a few Dem co*ks who still love Obama, Reid and Pelosi. F them too.
ZH is still filled with a few repubs who love bush (both of them),gingrich, cheney, etc.. F them too. Same thing, different names.
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama - all Ivy league Al See Eye A duh boys. Gingrich is a CFR member along with Clinton. Cheney is also a globalist. Gingrich was also on Sheldon Adelson's payroll in 2012 along with Romney to insure Ron Paul or Santorum did not get the nomination. He said he liked Santorum but said he was a bit too Christian for him. (true).
So, does the "Obama is going to declare himself dictator for life" ZH faction still think that is possible???
if DC screws with our veterans... be a whole new ballgame.
Which is why I hope they do...
The enemy within is being exposed. The awakening is coming.
YES, the 5th Column, will come to light soon enough to the masses! This charade shall finally come to a halt, every man must stand up for Liberty, Freedom and pursuit of happiness that we were promised.
Speak the truth, even if it means your death!
Sgt Unix Crust
I don't like the MIC anymore than the next guy. But;
Certainly, those Vets had every right to protest the closing of those Memorials. Neither Con-gress nor the Administration, contrary to their own beliefs, own public property.
"Whether War," is not decided by the Infantryman. Contraire, he's generally the pawn in the game after all is revealed. Many times he finds himself fighting both sides, after, as my old CO stated "When wars go from strategy driven to politically driven, they are lost." We could argue cause/effect, but it's not the Troop in the field who decides.
He donned the uniform in good faith. Granted, many times betrayed, but God Damnit, he did what he thought was the right thing at the time. Don't diss him until you've stood in his shoes, please.
One more thing the Old Man mentioned, "When put into combat, soldiers don't fight for America, apple pie and flags, they fight for each other."
58,000 names on a barricaded wall are not political footballs to be kicked around, nor is any other Memorial to Souls who followed through in their convictions. Most of those Vets are not there to justify war. They are there out of respect for their fallen brethren, in protest of a government that lacks the simple Moxie to honor that cause. That be directed at the Red and the Blue shit that passes for ideology in this country today!
Great commentary. Thank you, Professor.
Vietnam was different. A lot of those guys were not given a choice with LBJ's total Gulf of Tonkin setup where the Pentagon totally sold out 56,000 or so young men along with Congress. Senators knew it was a lie and voted for it. Most of those guys drafted were poor and working class kids.
True, Freddie, and many of those conscripted who didn't run off to Canada have friends who's names are on that wall, as well. Again, soldiers who may have found themselves betrayed, but still fought for each other. It serves as much a memorial to the ideological believer as it does the resistor, and to the injustices as well as the justifiable. It's a Memorial. A reminder to present and future generations of the awful human cost of war.
It wasn't the Vet who created the conflict. It was the Power Brokers.
they already have, many times
Apparently a bunch of them just finished reading their pledge... "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"
Yes! We need more of this! I might just drive to DC to join them.
Please GO.
About four years ago, I started fantisizing about leading a large protest in front of the White House. We would all be wearing precursor Nazi brownshirts with tight armbands with the US colors. Knee high polished black jack foots. Goosestep around the perimeter of the entire White House/Treasury/Old Executive Office Building/National Ellipse complex about five times. Stop in front of the front gate. Recite the "Pledge of Alligence" and then chant "Seig Heil" for about four hours. Maybe stop once an hour to sing God Bless America, America the Beautiful, etc.
Every so often, I have occasion to go to the rooftop of one of the lobbying firms close ot he White House. Those snipers are always out there. Pretty spooky.
"...close to the White House. Those snipers are always out there."
Says a lot about the occupants of the White House.
Wanna bet $20 that those long black metallic things I see them carrying are assault rifles and not peashooters? I thought that Obama wanted to get rid of those assault rifles. You know....leading from behind.
I have been around here for awhile and that is the most diksgusting post I ever read. I hope someone rapes and kills your children tonight.
Sorry, you do not have any children because when you have an oragasim in anothers man rectum he can get pregnant!
Hmmmm. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. The gesture was intended to show respect for American traditions, but simultaneously as bluntly as possible indicate contempt for the dictator who inhabits the Oval Office.
He is a little Brownshirt, is he not? Starts lots of foreign wars. Establishes a large domestic police force. Actively attempts to undercut the established military which would likely put him in check. Uses the IRS to extort people.
Criticize me all you like. But one couldn't have spent much time here without having seen WB VIIs Obama drone posters.