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JUST SAY NO TO OBAMACARE
it's a little late for that
p.s. you already pay for apps you can't get rid of...
it's a little late for that
Obamacare......funding to date.......zero.
Or $500 million for a web site. The answers change depending on who you talk to.
the only people signing up are the freeloaders ...
those who they are expecting to foot the bill (the young and healthy) need only not sign up to collapse the whole thing under its own weight.
So encouraging those who work for a living to stay away from the exchanges should be preached from every corner and soapbox.
Think about how the Fed convinces reasonable minds to believe that inflation remains at 2.00%. Yet, in the same breathe we hear the dollar has lost 40% of its buying power in last 10 years. You know what that's called? ...We are all too stupid to connect the dots!! The Fed and Washington understand this. Not one person can sign up for Obamacare, and by month's end - The President and his mainstream media will have obamacare as the most successful program ever devised by mankind. Facts be damned!
Good idea, don't sign up, in fact, just refuse medical care when needed, that will show that Obama whos right. Besides, Obamacare is just shitting public policy designed by the Heritage Foundation and all they ever do is design shitty policy.
there are plenty of studies out there that support the practice for young people. Most acute injuries are covered by other types of insurance, home owners, automotive, workers comp etc.
if you twist your ankle go to urgent care and pay cash.
A friend who has a small lawn care company went to sign up decided that his $900 a month was better spent elsewhere. I don't blame him.
i was unaware that the heritage foundation had anything to do with obamacare ... or are you simply spouting liberal gibberish?
Are you sure about that?
If you manage to break your neck at the house of a rich person, the rich person might have liability insurance that would cover your costs (six years later when the lawsuit is settled), but I never heard of a home owners policy that covered healthcare.
In case of auto insurance, the company will delay and deny for months, forcing you to hire a lawyer and fight for every penny (not easy when you are badly injured). The hospital will soon start demanding all your cash, or they will deny services. You will be drained by inflated charges, and then need to fight the insurance company for months or years and only recover a fraction of what you paid (because the hospital overcharged you, and they don't pay that much for that service, sorry.)
And yes, the individual mandate was originally (circa 1990) a Heritage Foundation staple. That's how it ended up in Romneycare. It makes right-wing sense, because it's a no-escape tax on the 47% you hate so much who don't pay taxes, and it goes to cover the care of the 47% who don't pay taxes. OK, Obamacare is softer and refunds the individual mandate cost to the 47%, but you can see how it made sense to the mandarins at Heritage.
Sounds like most of your issues are with insurance. Most of ours have to do with freedom. You have to go pretty far back to realize the core of the problem occured when insurance and their lawyers injected themselves into healthcare. But that's too hard of a problem to solve so we'll just pile on bad legislation on top of bad legislation thinking we can make things better.
You're also making a wild assumption that someone like myself thinks that Romneycare and the rhino who came up with it is a great thing.
Blanket statements such as "the 47% you hate so much" do nothing to inspire confidence in an actual constructive debate. Do i believe that the "47%" exist? ... that their votes are already wrapped up because their one and only criteria deciding their vote is who will give them the bigger paycheck? I do. Was it a politically stupid thing to say? absolutely .. that doesn't make it untrue.
that being said, i haven't voted for a republican since Reagan. Until people such as yourself are able to see that there are no measurable differences (as you so succinctly pointed out in your post) between republicans and democrats, nothing will change. You will be happy to argue to the death that the blue pill doesn't make you quite as ill as the red pill.
nope just use that religion loop hole they made for it and claim your religion prevents you from getting it.
I WILL NOT COMPLY!
You will be assimilated!
If you think you're hoss enough......come get some!
RETURN TO SENDER.
I DO NOT RECOGNISE YOU.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT.
I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU.
NO ASSURED VALUE.
NO LIABILITY.
Prepare to be droned!
At the risk of jumping into the lion's den, I say hooray for Obamacare. Yes, it's a ridiculous law, not destined to survive in its current form because of all the built-in problems. But here at ZH it's common wisdom that the system must be broken to be fixed. Usually people say that about society as a whole, but it's equally true of sub-systems.
Here is an example of the current system:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/the-soaring-cost-of-a-simple-breath...
It's the usual thing you probably saw before -- Americans pay from 7 to 25x more for prescription drugs than other countries. That is why our health costs are so crazy and our country is going bankrupt while many people don't even get medical care that is considered trivial elsewhere. Is that OK? If not, how are you going to change it? Our bought-and-paid-for congresstools will never change it, unless maybe the whole system explodes first. Hooray for Obamacare.
OK, maybe you have gold-plated health insurance and you don't give a rat's behind what happens to other people or how much it costs, as long as you get yours. But that is short-term thinking. The whole society will be bankrupted and unravel if the greed and profiteering in healthcare is allowed to continue, and you won't skate away untouched.
What you say is true - to a large extent. But what you don´t understand is that under the new system you will pay not only for your own drugs but also for countless other peoples meds. After a couple of years - if you have a job and are not wholly destitute you will begin to feel like you are being asked to fund the whole ACA by yourself.
I think it's you who doesn't understand.
In America today, very few Rx drugs are paid for out of pocket by individuals. They are mostly covered by insurance or the patient goes without.
You are already paying for other people's drugs, nearly all of them. Obamacare tinkers with the cross-subsidy of some people by others, but most certainly does not invent this phenomenon.
Government employees get free drugs. You pay.
Medicaid people get whatever drugs they get free. You pay.
Free-riders who suffer catastrophic illness or accident -- you pay their bills too.
People with employer-sponsored insurance -- you pay (in product prices).
If you went to college, part of your absurdly inflated cost was the gold-plated health coverage of everyone connected to a university.
Your own co-workers, if you have insurance -- the ones who use a lot compared to you are effectively getting higher comp than you for the same work. You pay for them too.
The only way to not pay for drugs for all those other people would be to outlaw insurance in principle. Probably not going to happen.
I say hooray for Obamacare.
On the surface, which is about all you have scratched, your thoughts might be germain. However, Obamacare is not about medical care. It's about government control in ways you have not even dreamed of. If all of us are here in another year, do me the favor of getting back to me on this. Let me know, honestly, if you have changed your mind.
Actually, Obamacare is insurance regulation. Not only has insurance regulation been dreamed of, it is commonplace.
Wrong. Other than effectively outlawing actual insurance, you know spreading risk, Obamacare has nothing to do with insurance. It is the unlawful regulation of health care which is a completely different animal than heal insurance. It is unlawful because both health insurance and health care are not commerce. Commerce is the large scale echange of goods. It is distinguished from retail. Commerce does not include service which is all that health care is. The delivery of health care does utilize some goods, the interstate exchange of which is the only thing the federal government can lawfully regulate. DIsabuse yourself of your false conceptions.
I have no illusion that Obamacare is a terrible law, the bastard child of Democrats and K Street. I am with Bruce Krasting that prices quoted this fall are teasers, and premiums will jump 20% per year thereafter, and the whole thing will blow up. I would be amazed and disappointed if the ACA is still around and lumbering along in threeyears. But somthing ...
On healthcare, people naturally talk their book. Those with gold-plated insurance already say I got mine bleep the rest of you. The young with negative net worth and no health problems correctly perceive that they are financially better off free-riding. I understand their point of view.
I belong to another segment -- self-employed, with enough savings to care if a greedy hospital steals it all. Living in the USA feels a lot like living among Somali pirates. One accident and they take everything with inflated charges of whatever they please, and there is nothing I can do about it. Now I am safely offshore, but I must return to the US for three years, and without ACA, it's a roll of the dice whether I can get out again with a dime in my pocket (or individual insurance would cost double the ACA teaser rate).
Steven Hansen at various sites has a wonderful article on how absurd it is that Government spends all this money on health care and it still pays for the American consumer to travel abroad in order to get actual healthcare. this is the type of insurance he personally owns...but it's not something you can just go out and buy either. Mr Hansen is no "right winger" either...just an honest man and excellent "academic" telling it like it is. Been reading his material for five years now and he's never let me down data wise. I think trying to explain the difference between the wheat and the chaff (Congress has exempted itself from this plan, so have certain businesses and certain unions) so that says to me somebody has done their homework, gone to the White House and gotten a waiver. that says to me there might be a problem with actual care here. how about a mandate that all employers with over 15 employees requiring an on site doctor? that's a program I could point to at least. (we used to have by the way. there was a time when Capitalsim was concerned about its own health care. if The ACA shows anything it shows there are businesses, politicians and industries that still are ironically enough.) bottom line? we're a mess. we're being fed scraps and asked to become the entertainment for people who only pretend to care. Port a Prince, Cairo, Detroit...it's all about the inflammation. go ahead...ask them if they're better off. I remember quite fondly actually Bill Clinton's rhetoric of rising above our baser nature...pushing Americans to reach for a higher state of togetherness. he was laughed at of course...but his poll numbers were quite high when he led office "in spite of being made fun of." sometimes I think he's forgotten that actually. in other words...do you have something GOOD to say? I mean it's not like this is a hard country to tear apart. is that the point? the "goal" as it were of a 9/11 world? I take one look at Wall Street and say "we have a winner." does the rest of America see that too? keep that television on USA...keep learning to hate "the other." it's all a contrivance...a mechanism...and to call it effective would be an understatement. "12 guys with box cutters" was all it took.
So what is the much vaunted advantage with ACA...then? Stated that it will provide universal coverage and include...maybe 40 - 50 million currently without coverage. You seem to think that they have been taken care of in the same way as under ACA. Well maybe in the most basic way. But now it will be same care for everyone,more or less. Otherwise what´s the idea with all this hype and bureaucracy..?
I can assure you that under a system with universal coverage the premiums for - middle class and others will continue to higher and higher levels. Since you will also be paying for others , on the margin.
Trust me - I have direct experience of paying for socialized health care.
scocialized health care is cheap compared to health care by lawyers (turned law makers) for lawyers. Just health care is the small part of the cost-- its the skim and the regulations and the tort that cost-so any talk about health care costing is BS.
and free market health care is even cheaper and better also I might add.
so the upshot is gov't (aka corruption) needs to go---gov't is obsolete.
No one has taken the lawyers out of the equation. The will find new work also with ACA.
Zooom- right over your head Thom--- the point was (and is) get the lawyers and the criminals and the skimers (aka gov't) out of it ---duh-- can't you live (think) with out the eubiquitous gov't in your every reason and idea----get off the drug--
OK, so the current system is 'broken' (I'd say more like it's just unliked by some who haven't taken the time to make it work better). There are some things that need to be fixed, for sure, but that doesn't mean it's 'broken', it just needs to have the portions the government screwed up to be either eliminated or fine-tuned.
Obamacare doesn't need fine-tuning. It needs an overhaul.
Yes, under the current system we pay for those who cannot through higher prices. But that doesn't mean I approve of this free-loading behavior. It's part of the cost of doing business, like a retail firm that raises prices to cover loss to theft or breakage. This is efficient.
Obamacare, instead, implies "well, since you already pay for this, you should feel compelled to pay MORE so that we can build a bureaucracy to make sure everyone has the exact same services available to them. You're paying for them already, so you shouldn't care, right? Besides, it's morally just for you to help others."
My reply is "No. I am not OK with this. If people realize their coverage is more or less 'free', they abuse it. Even under the current system, we see this. Institutionalize it, and it will get worse and then the bureaucracy, which we'll be paying more for, will eventually cut back services to make it more 'affordable'. Then we will all overpay for poor services, like they do in most other nationalized health nations."
Yes, I know the Canadians and British 'love' their services. Not really. They just don't know better. You can talk all you want about what they 'have', until you review their wait times, their losses, and the cases they ship out. It's a massive trade off, with a net loss. As Bastiat said, sometimes it's the unseen parts which are more important.
Fix our current system? Indeed. I'm all for the no-preexisting conditions part of Obamacare. Fine. Make that a law. But make healthcare portable across state lines. Standardize paperwork. Reform Tort laws. Introduce more widespread use of Health Savings Accounts so people can self-insure.
Instead, the government has screwed the pooch. Health care will drop at first, then taxes and fees will rise dramatically to cover substantially higher costs, most of which will be bureaucracy driven.
Single payer? The only single payer thing I support is access to annual physicals and certain basic prescriptions, and even those should be severely limited. Obamacare paying for birth control? I don't think that's something I'm OK with. Your irresponsible behaviors are not my problem. Forcing this on religious institutions? That's a Constitutional violation. Forcing it on states? Another Constitutional violation. Forcing it on individuals? A violation of the Commerce Clause (unless you're calling the fee a tax, as Roberts noted).
Thanks, I'll pass. Defund and start over.
You won't start over. You will defund and do nothing.
Sure it's easy to reform the US system:
1) Ban price discrimination in healthcare. Cash pay patients get the same deal as insurance companies.
2) Force doctors and hospitals to raise their ethical standards to the same lofty level as auto mechanics.
3) Regulate drug prices.
4) Make medical information (test results, xrays, etc.) legally the property of the patient, not the provider
That will all happen right after hell gets air conditioning.
I think the hidden goal of ACA is to get a critical mass of non-medicare care paid for by a single system, and it will be wildly too expensive, but no one will want to go back. (Employers won't want it back on their tab; the formerly uninsured won't want to be uninsured again). Then there will be political will to fix the system for real.
@Lost My Shorts
"You are already paying for other people's drugs"
I do not carry insurance other than catastrophic because I am responsible with my health and the only thing I have to fear is a freak accident. If the Free Shit Army wants to poison themselves with my foodstamps, then the only leeches I currently pay healthcare for (at gunpoint) are the ones on medicare.
Obamacare on the other hand, will force me at gunpoint to fund ALL of them.
You pay in other ways, too. Not just through insurance premiums.
yes agree lets try something if it doesnt work then adjust but something needs to be done.
what is wrong with this statement:
"Americans pay from 7 to 25x more for prescription drugs than other countries"..
well kiddies, first american drug regs cause costs of production here to be the highest in the world..second we produce more new drugs than most of the world combind, but my real point is:
this industry has given higher living standards to millions of americans ...but is now rapidly being dismantled and off shored, so when we in America are paying those low drug prices, most of those jobs will be gone and you might not have the cost of those "low cost drugs"..tariffs baby tariffs keep a nations work force employed and with a higher standard of life, alas free traders rule the day.
For accuracy, the iPhone should be a cardboard cut-out of an iPhone.
GFC,
"JUST SAY NO TO OBAMACARE"
But it's your patriotic duty so Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid can be saved!
Bumper Sticker:
Save the system, kill the old people!
/sarc
P.S. I am an "old people", this is personal for me.
Awesome!
The cartoon is accurate, but the fine one pays for not buying iCrap is levied against one's fragile self esteem.
excellent insight, SR.
i do have an "alternate" Q: Apple was down but came back big and likely will (but minus Jobs !) ?
does that mean obamacare will also? Hummmmmm.
It's still more than $200 off its highs, not sure that qualifies as coming back big, and looking at the chart it looks like it's about to tank again.
Tks for sharing...
it hit below $90 before Jobs' return in 2009;
and it kept rising after his return...And that's what I meant.
I pride myself for not having an iPhone. Apple's crap will never enter my house.
So you go for hikes, mountain biking or 10 mile runs with a Sony Discman? You don't have to buy their phones but saying no to an ipod, which puts thousands of songs at your disposal in a tiny device is retarded.
"saying no to an ipod...is retarded."
Fuck your pretentiousness and your iPod. There are numerous other mp3/multimedia players available.
not to mention, his belief that you can't be active without listening to music.
Infants are known for their need for constant sensory stimulation (lacking any internal mental stimulation to take its place).
You are a pompous twit. If you ever had children, it must have been a very long time ago and you probably took little part.
Infants need constant stimulation because they are developing their neural circuits. If an animal's eyes are sewn shut at birth, even if they are opened up a few weeks later the animal will be blind for life. Lack of stimulation causes an irreversible failure of neural development. It's the same with every other aspect of brain development. Babies crave stimulation because they don't want to be vegetables.
Not that it's especially relevant to dumping on apple, but it's a good illustration of how you type first and often, think never.
So are you saying that you are still developing your neural circuitry?
That would explain your rambling and nonsensical diatribe.
PS: Nice to see that the irony of my previous post sailed right over your head. Or maybe you just failed to notice it while texting on your iElectroWhoCardioShnook.
I am a computer professional who sits on a PC 12 hours per day. My worst vice is wasting time posting at ZH. I don't use the ipad.
Sorry to not be what you think I am. (Type early and often, think ...)
But if you are so mean that you would shit all over some guy who happens to like music, what is the word I am looking for ... not sheep (sheep are nice) ... hornet.
p.s. maybe now other mp3 players are up to snuff, but I (bucking the ipod trend because I hated apple's original licensing scheme) bought a Sandisk player, and what an unusable piece of junk that is. Apple took over the world because at the time, their devices really were a lot better.
I pride myself on not owning, and never having owned, a cellphone, iPad, iPhone, iBorgImplant, or any other such device.
All you gadget-obsessed idiots with your gadgets eternally pressed to your head in trivial and vapid conversation, or clutched in your paws while you furiously thumb-type away, have no idea how pathetic, shallow and addicted you appear to me, somebody who does not share your obsession and/or addiction.
Mass Marketers: 1
Public: 0
Ok, you are holier. Go drink some vinegar and have a nap on your bed of nails.
I don't have any apple stuff, but I sure paid for a lot. My wife, in-laws, parents ... everyone has an ipad. And you know what, the thing enriches their lives on balance. Icrap is like anything else, can be used for good or bad depending on the character of the user. If you buy a hammer, you can build a house, or attempt to swallow it and choke. Not the hammer's fault.
Hmmmm, what's the word I am looking for here?
Oh yes: "Sheep".
May you all safely graze.
PS: If you actually believe that your shallow and trivial obsession with the latest mass-marketed toy for adults (who are mentally still children) truly "enriches your life", then I would aver that your 'life', such as it may be, is similarly pathetic and shallow.
akak, come on. I know people who use iPads for browsing on the web - as you do, reading books and... that's it
and for those two purposes those tablets can even be better than a PC, with occasional, rare TV or e-mails thrown in for good measure, if needed
methinks you are looking the thing too much from the perspective of branding the brand-for-lifestyle obsessed who are engaged in the big conspicuos consuption rat race
particularly the non-tech savy do appreciate the content consumption without having to reach PC skills, hence "the wife, the elderly"
Yes, I understand and will concede your point, Ghordius. But you and I both know that for every such person, who uses these gadgets judiciously and "just a little", there are 10 or 20 others who are utterly addicted to their use, and who cannot go five minutes of their waking day without checking to see who might have texted them about how their dog just vomited on the carpet, or who called them to tell them that they will call them in an hour to let them know when they will be calling them later that afternoon, or who tweeted them about the texture of their latest bowel movement while endangering their life and the lives of those around them while driving. You know, important stuff like that.
I see the almost ubiquitious use of all these mass-market gadgets as a net negative to society, fostering and contributing to the ongoing corrosion and erosion of civility and meaningful social discourse. Only one who has stood outside of their pernicious influence, as I have, can see just how radically their are changing the nature of our society for the worse.
I understand and concede your point. yet that's their life. driven by the white matter in the brain, instead of the gray matter. you know, the stuff females use more than male. that makes life centered on the small things, like personal relationships, the health of the baby or the dog, illnesses, little worries, little interests, gossip, gossip, gossip
we used to call this kind of people "The Little People". JC called them The Meek, and said they will inherit the earth
akak, you can't change them. they are born this way. "statists" spent quite a lot of time to raise their level of consciousness, with no avail. priests are still trying to herd them, though I sometimes suspect they demand some herding and supply it on their own if left to their devices
in fact, JC might be right, their "strategy" is pervasive and they might be well adapted, in a Darwinian sense. the "survival of the fittest" is often misunderstood. who is endangered, the majestic eagle, or the lamb? ;-)
I don't disagree with you, but just want to point out that some akaks were already railing against them in Athens, 2000 years ago. and they still don't care, and go on with their little lifes. perhaps we should thank them, from time to time
Food for thought.
;-)
We aren't all that different, akak.
Some have iStuff and pretend they're hip.
Some surf porn and pretend to have sex.
Some come to ZH where they can pretend to matter.*
Same sheep, different pastures.
* I most certainly do include myself here.
Very true, Lewy.
The e-gadget obsession is not unique, and not the only negative trend in our society, nor the worse by any means. Some might claim that I am a hypocrite in that I obviously own a personal computer. And in some senses, they would not be entirely incorrect. The difference being that I do not carry my computer around with me all day long, nor do I live my life around it. It is for me just a tool, like my (land-line) telephone or microwave oven, not the focus of my self-identification nor my raison d'etre.
Thanks to grandma's ipad, I get a lot of pictures from home that I wouldn't otherwise see.
Thanks to other grandma's ipad, she can talk to her children on other continents and see grandchildren smile whom she will probably never see in person. Remember in the old days, when futurists predicted that someday everyone would have picture phones? Ipad.
It sounds like no one ever calls you or sends you anything. But I wonder if my life is so bad, and if the hate and bile running through your veins is really the profound philosophical life you think it is.
My grandmother is a a evil bitch and I do not want to share anything with her.
What an idiot! My father has alzheimers and severe hearing loss from flying in hueys in Vietnam. The alzheimers has degraded his mental abilities such that he really can't use his desktop PC anymore. He has an iPad that he can still use for email. It is easier to use and so he can still use email and enjoy the photos his grandchildren that don't live in the area send him. He spends most of his time working around his yard but, as he tires more quickly, the time spent keeping in touch greatly enriches his life. His life has been, and still is, far from pathetic and shallow. He is a man who has lived a good life, marked with a humility and interest an compassion for others that, I suspect, is as foreign to you as swahili is to me. Go fuck yourself you arrogant, self-righteous, ignorant douche.
Up arrow from my Samsung:) When I get the land undrr the cabin paid off in a few years I plan to leave a nice pile of silicone in a smoldering pile on my way out of dodge.....
My Apple device makes me more efficient and effective at work, and gives me instant access to music I like. I suppose I am irredeemably evil.
I don't own a single apple product.
The quality Apple offers customers both in terms of products and service is simply unmatched. In fact it's far above anything else out there. You just have a problem with price. That's easy to solve: just don't buy it and shut up about it. Now remember to run the old AV, you never know what malware or spyware may infect your "crap" today.
barry sucked dicks for cocaine
Sucked? or sucks?
Yes.
Makes sense, think about it. If you had to suck dick or eat Michelle's pussy what would you do? See him being a cocksucker is easier to understand now.
Bullshit.
He sucks them for free.
Swallows and likes it.
You must be joking. I am so shocked!!! /sarcasm
Did you just find that out? In case you did not know Obama and his former Chief of Staff (pun intended) asshole, what's his name, ah yes, Rahm Emmanuel, shared a Lifetime Membership in a Fag District Bathhouse in Chicago. I guess that they can lick each other's assholes for all I care. It is a free country. Knock themselves out. I could not care any less...although it is funny.
What was rather ODD was that Mitt Romney DID NOT USE THIS IN HIS CAMPAIGN. I guess that Mittens has something hidden away in his closet that he did not want his wife, or children, to know. That is the only reason that I can figure.
That would have been worth a couple of percentage points in late October and Mittens would be the President. He lost by Two Points??? Hell he spent $500 Million plus to be President...and FAILED to knock out THIS CURRENT LOSER WITH A LOUSY ECONOMY.
Maybe Mittens just did not bully younger kids. Maybe he had done some other things with the boys that he is ashamed about.
Is that a possibility? We will not know now, will we?
MOST POLITICIANS ARE SCUM. There are sometimes exceptions but that is a rarity. They are Third Deviation people. Exceptional people when you can find them.
Romney was just as much of a PUKE as the Sodomite in Chief.
Abandon the Red Team/Blue Team crap as they work for the Socialist Party. It works out better WHEN you understand it. That is the way to understand that THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. You will not be disappointed when understanding that.
Come on, Tom. You don't really believe that Diebold machines recorded your vote accurately? Diebolds replaced ballots because they don't leave chads, dude.
Voting is an exercise in self-deception. If you want to vote against the kleptocracy, you vote with your labor and your finances. And ultimately, with your feet.
I did not vote. For what? The Red Team/Blue Team Socialist Party? Come on. A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil. You did not read what I wrote..
How would we know if a person were Jesus Christ himself? The internet?
No it will be announced on Network Television by those Trustworthy Talking Heads. Jesus will be a guest on Oprah and a guest speaker for Joel Olsteen. LMAO.
At least with the Internet I get a lot of unfiltered information, some without Corporate Censorship or Corporate Loudspeakers.
I know that it requires one to use the inate skills of CRITICAL THINKING. But I am a student of the Trivium. I am also aware of the Logical Fallacy, as the Red Hering Fallacy which you employed.
So for whom are you working? Do you understand that my BULLSHIT sensor is flashing RED?
So turn off Zerohedge and go and watch your TeeVee.
+1 for "THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS"
Isn't it curious that the media failed to track down and interview Barry's cocaine dealer(s)....
but obama said he did pot and coke in his autobiography. didn't hear confessions of gay sex though.
of course nothing alleged about him is a ten thousandth as evil as the stuff he does and brags about (see twelve dark thirty, etc.)
The media failed to "track down and interview..." Isn't it curious that he, himself, sought the media attention? His name is Larry Sinclair. He is just one of the many of "All of the President's Men"
Barack Obama -- Larry Sinclair Press Conference Video Pt 1
"Larry Sinclair stated to the press that he and Barak Obama had gay sex while Obama smoked crack, not once but twice. Once in a limo and the next day in a hotel room. Sinclair stated that the murdered Donald Young, Obama's churches gay choir master told him, by phone, he also had sex with Barack Obama, before Young was murdered."
Hahaha. If true, maybe the fudge packer will get aids. Poetic justice. Hahahaha.
Deputy Political Director, Reggie Love, gets up on stage at the emocratic National Convention and PUBLICALLY announces that Obama is going to push for Gay Rights for people "...Like us"
And Mitt Romney does not use this from the Democrat Convention???
Obama and Reggie flew out to Honolulu and left Michelle behind? One of many of Obama's flings.
It is all theater anyway.
But if I were a College Football Coach and we were in a Game that was close, time is running out, and if I were losing I would throw everything but the Kitchen Sink at the other team. I would not punt on Fourth Down. Likewise if the Second Half started and I were down 14-38 I would not punt on Fourth Down in the Second Half.
But that is also all theater as the WINNERS ARE PREVIOUSLY CHOSEN.
#IWillNotComply
The IRS characature is spot on
Fuck it all
There machinations are getting BORING
They can't even start a war right.
I'm supposed to cower?
Their stupid "New World Order" (their words, not mine) is the fantasy of flaccid old men. Dead on arrival.
"Dead on arrival."
Of course it is.
But its demise would go more smoothly if you recognized the enabling force of too many of your firmly erect peers.
Cabreado
Sorry I didn't understand. "But its demise would go more smoothly if you recognized the enabling force of too many of your firmly erect peers."
Wait, who's erect? And who's enabling? I lost it there, bro.
My wife just said, "When I'm driving across your bridge, I want those piers firmly erect."
Respectfully, she sounds like my kind of woman.
(Say you don't lend her, do you? Thanks)
:)
It was just an engineering discussion about modulus of elasticity. Don't read too much into it.
Short answer, no.
Today I just found out the reason behind the War on Syria suspension. A month late...but what the hell...
The Al Qaeda Rebels began to fight with the Free Syrian Army, using NATO weapons which we supplied, againt the Free Syria Army. It is a Sunni-Shia Muslim Civil War between the Free Syrian Army, Al Qarda, and the Syrian Government. I read a report dated September 17. That is why the story vanished from the News Cycle.
The Enemy of the Enema is now the asshole. See how that worked out?
Even if I could afford to sign up for it I wouldn't.
I.R.S. in charge of it? An abridgement of The Constitution of historical proportions.
Affordable? My healthy cute butt you fucking lying scum-sucking Constitution shredding harpies! DIE!!!
Hey, Eb? It is "The AFFORDABLE Care Act." Duh.
(Too bad they didn't name it "The FREE Care Act." Then it would have been free. Just think of how much money they could have saved the people of this nation merely by changing one little word.)
Pissed off? Its called the Obummer app. Delete!!
There..feel better now?
both suck
I got fed up with my Mac Book Pro and all the BS by Apple. Before I knew it, my fist was through the screen. Can I do the same for the Obamacare representative (IRS)?
(Typed from a new Dell XPS)
There is an app for the Windows 8 startup menu/screen if you have not already discovered it.
"There is an app for the Windows 8 startup menu/screen if you have not already discovered it."
Startisback! - highly recommended!
http://startisback.com/
You're young, we're older, we say you need health insurance now whether you'll use it in the next 20-30yrs or not and we old fucks have just passed a law saying so, so there.
You will buy it now or we'll fine your ass for non-compliance. If you don't and pay the fine, next year we'll just amend the law to actually throw your ass in jail.
Capice?
Ain't mafia "democracy" swell?
You weren't taught this about "democracy" and ignorant majorities in grade school were you? It sounded all warm & fuzzy back then didn't it? ;-)
Next, we'll move onto cars. Saving the environment is a really important social issue. We'll pass a "Green Law" that will force everyone to buy a GM volt. It doesn't matter if you need a car or not. If you don't then we'll tax you. The Obozo precident is really dangerous and stupid.
They'll take my Porsche over my dead body!
It is said (for good reason) that democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. In reality, democracy is 139 public employees and welfare recipients and 100 private sector types (in the case of California, for instance) voting on what to have for dinner. Results are the same.
Boomer Doomer cunt.
Teddy...Are you another Mathematically Challenged INNUMERATE???
You cannot have Exponential Growth sustained in a Limited Resource Environment. That only leads to Exponential Collapse.
It is just a Law of Nature. You cannot rewrite those Physical Laws. You can delay the affects for awhile by expending ENERGY.. Yes you can fly. But when you run out of Energy you will come down. If you deny the Law of Gravity then, instead of landing, you will crash...SPLAT!!!
The problem is that you are in denial. We have been living for the Past Century as if the Cheap Energy will last forever. Well we are running out of CHEAP Energy. I am not writing that we are running out of Energy but it will be very expensive. But we are denying that and pretending that it will remain cheap.
Because of that, the DENIAL OF NATURAL LAW, we are destined to CRASH. Well we are nearing the TERMINAL POINT in our JOURNEY. Please BRACE FOR IMPACT.
Maybe some might survive the INFERNO as we hit the ground. Maybe the Trajectory is not too steep. But I am bracing for IMPACT, pal. I am opting out of the crashing plane of an Economy as soon as I can. And if you did not and cannot leave the wreckage you will burn alive.
Enjoy your fate.
Cartoon would be better with a pissed off 25 y.o. at the counter. Why should healthy 20-30 somethings pay $200-300/mo when that $ could be going into local economies, spent on education (specialized training), dating, new tires & brakes, lift tickets, etc? That's my major beef with the unACA. Whatever happened to preventative medicine?
What the hell happened to FREEDOM!?.....says an old fart who understands you young farts.
Pelosi said its in there...somewhere...you just have to read it all.
I think its in one of the numerous chapters saying something about the "Secretary shall determine"...that would be Kathleen Sebelius now. Next year, it could someone like Jack Kevorkian...lol.
But there's always Hope, right?...ROTFL!!!
@KTV -
The average cost of the cheapest plan, being the "Bronze Plan," for a non-smoking 26 year old, will amount to monthly premiums of $150, with an annual destructible of $6,000.
So, before a single dime of Obamacare insurance kicks in for medication, doctor visits, any medical treatment or procedures,that 26 year old will have to expend at least $7,800 cash out of pocket.
For a married couple with 2 children, multiply the monthly premiums by 4 ($600 per month), and an annual deductible by 2 times ($12,000), for a yearly total cash outlay of $18,000 cash out of pocket before any reimbursement/coverage kicks in.
And wait until the cost of health insurance continues to outpace overall inflation, and a shortage of doctors becomes apparent.
ZeroCare will go down as one of the worst pieces of legislation ever crafted and passed by Congress and signed into law by a president.
This is what happens in a corpocracy, where the health insurance & pharma industries LITERALLY draft legislation.
So this is the same plan I tried to get when I was self employed? Didn't make sense to me then either.
So much nicer having this paid with 0 deductible with the full time gvnmt job now.
Freedom? Well, you're certainly not going to find that in the price of health care
“If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free.”
~ P.J. O'Rourke
"Why should healthy....?" Because Obama!
Preventive medicine will never work in the USA...There are too many old white men who think that any government intervention is all bad. Don't you know what happened when the mayor of New York tried to ban large soft drink servings? He was attacked all over by the republicans (old white guys). Obamacare is the same, it's not preventive, it's reactive but it's still something that has been attacked by the republicans.
At the end of the day I want the government to actually help us because I know for certain that most people don't know what's best for them healthwise and corporations will take advantage of that.
The only positive you can take away from this post is you have a bag over your head.
Perventative medicine is an approach to healthcare, not legislation. I understand your confusion now that in new Amerika healthcare is legislation.
Government involvement never lowers the cost of anyrthing. Until government became heavily involved in health care in the 60s, prices were rising along with inflation. Everything the government touches turns into costly crap.
I would trust the government over a greedy corporation with my health any day of the week. Government healthcare may not be perfect but by it's nature it is widely accesible (in most cases)...we really can only judge the efficacy of a healthcare plan by the good it does to the least priviledged in society..not by the good it does to those who can pay ahead.
Luckily for you, you'll now get the worst of both (corps and gov't).
Happy ACA to you good sir.
AND THAT DOWN TICK I CAN ONLY DO ONCE! OTHER WISE I WOULD STAY HERE ALL NIGHT! YOU ARE YOUNG AREN'T YOU? Don't worry you will learn, the hard way.
Yes I am young, Yes I am in college and Yes I am female but you yourself probably fit the usual sterotype (old, white, greedy) as well so nothing new can be learned here. I will just say that obamacare sounds right to me, it may not sound right to a small business owner but I would place the integrity of my health over the grieviances of small business owners when given that decision.
in theory governments ought to provide useful services in markets where corporations tend to oligopoly or monopoly. and, rarely, they do.
but watching the time, money and lives spent on truly pointless or worse wars and the utter prostitution of the government's monopoly on the use of force and the power to write laws for comparatively trivial amounts of campaign contributions, even excluding the more straightforward bribery, yogi's comment seems apt:
in theory there is no difference between theory and practice. in practice there is.
You are a fucking moron.
One word: ignorance.
The irony is that Obamacare is good for old and greedy people. And the young pay for it. It's like you're being raped and supporting your rapist.
Old? White? Greedy?
Since Small Business, until very recently, made up the vast majority of available JOB OPPORTUNITIES then you can enjoy your employment opportunities as these businesses are closing.
But you can always opt for the World's Oldest Profession...until you become older, worn wide, and stupid. That is what I forsee for you as the Economy implodes. The implosion of our Economy is just a Mathematical Certainty for reasons that I have outlined in previous posts.
Let me ask you a question about College. What have you really learned?
The only skill which I learned out of College was HOW TO READ A BOOK. Reading is a skill. Comprehending what you read is a skill. Applying the knowledge about what you have read is also a skill. That is HOW to read a Book.
As a younger man I taught at the University. I taught Math and Physics. Both skills are applicable today.
If you cannot learn from reading at the Fight Club then go elsewhere. If you cannot apply your comprehension skills then go elsewhere. If you cannot understand what we are writing then the College which you are attending has failed to teach you HOW TO READ A BOOK.
Enjoy your Socialism. The system is giong to collapse anyway. There will be no capital to pay for your Health Care, or, anything else which your Government has promised.
Then you will be reliant on the World's Oldest Profession. I do expect that you will find a plethora of competition for Johns, Capitalism at work, in a Socialist World.
For the Investor...Go long Trojans and K-Y Jelly.
I never wanted to work in a small business....I know how they operate and it's rip-off city what they do to customers and employees. I also don't think I will ever need to do what you suggested for the sheer fact that it's people like you that I can tolerate the least and who would come around (get it, you ape?) most often .
I also have learned a lot in college and am still learning. Probably the biggest thing I learned was cross cultural communication and human compassion...you can't learn that in a book, can you? (I am sure you will argue the opposite). Finally I *will* enjoy a greater certainty in my health-care because unlike you I am not a political reactionary but a political thinker and thus I can actually see what the consequences of Obamacare will be far into the future, and the future looks good.
First I have never frequented that which you will become. But since you are so cosmopolitan I am certain that you understand and have had personal conversations with ladies from other cultures. (Personally I have and find that the stories are often sad.)
Where did you learn about "cultural communication" and "human compassion". I think that you give it verbal service.
Besides you do learn about cultures through reading. Writing is a form of COMMUNICATION, is it not? As for compassion you will not begin to understand my absolute hatred of injustices promoted by the Obama Administration through Unmitigated Warfare.
I do not enjoy that Obama works for the oligarchs and steals from others, leaving Death and Destruction in his path, in order to provide Health Care to you.
Don't you have any feeling from those in the Third World whom our Government has exploited? Does that thought ever cross your mind? Or are you just a self adsorbed entitled little bitch who is wrapped up into herself?
When a Government relies upon Third World Nations for its Financing then only the lame will fail to understand the degenerance of that Nation into that which it so despises. It ends up as a Third World Nation.
The Socialist agenda is despicable.
Dream on, child, dream on.
Dear Ms rationaldemocracy:
We are pleased to hear that you are receiving such a fine education; however, I'll bet I speak for many of us in wondering why it is that your institution of higher learning chose to teach you 'cross cultural communication' and 'human compassion' before, oh, I dunno ... *history*? For, had you studied history, you would probably recognize that your nomme de net is, well, *wishful thinking* is the kindest way that I can think to say it.
Oh RD I think you're on the wrong site- I think you're looking for AlterNet.
WTF? Ur categorization of republicants as white guys is racist. Oops. Did i call u a racist? OMG, that makes me a democrap. Gasp.
I know that YOU don't know what is best for me so kindly shut the hell up.
How could all that spending at small businesses in their local economy ever have a chance of further enriching the 0.01% who wrote the law? Congress may be full of murderous assholes but they aren't stupid.
I got pissed off at Apple always trying to dollar me to death with all their upgrades and high priced crap. While trying to get a glitch fixed, I suddenly found my fist through the screen of my MacBook Pro. Can I do the same for the agent who is signing me up for Obamacare (IRS)?
I would first have to download the Apple APP before the IRS could fine me.
/Sarc
The brightest moments in 6 years begin now as the sheeple open their insurance renewals and open pelousi's oBUMMER care quotes (with huge deductibles, etc). They finally suffer while I laugh. Suprise! Surprise! Surprise dumbasses! Should make for some great media quotes.
Surprise Surprise Surprise
Its fucking great ain't it.
All that Hope & Change enthusiasm, dashed on the rocks of their own making of reality. But never fear, the same ones who broke all those promises can fix it.
Its what they get paid handsomely to do ;-)
Yes, it's rich. But about half of Obama's supporters will never pay a thin dime for healthcare or anything else. Their job is to watch TV all day, and they work 1 day out of 730 - election day. That's Obama's idea of having 'skin in the game'.
I saw what sounded like some leaf licker Obamafan from Oregon saying how she always thought it was important for everyone to have health care but she never realized she would be the one paying for it. Eye's opened now I'm guessing she wished she had just swallowed her white guilt rather than electing and re-electing Barry.
What's tragic is not that they get what they deserve for their shitty choice but that we (and even worse my hypothetical grandchildren) also get what they deserve.
I'm sorry, I know you want to play music, watch movies, read books, and play games without iTunes. But, you should have read your agreement terms better. You didn't buy your media, you rented it from us. If you look closely by agreeing to use iTunes, you agreed that all data on your computer belongs to us.
I can see the same agreement in Obamacare.
I know you thought you owned your body, but in agreement to be treated with Obamacare, your body now belongs to us. You can no longer do with your body as you see fit.Doing so voids your agreement with Obamacare, and we will collect our property.
And the device is worthless after a month so you have to buy another one every month.
Primer on Obamacare - need a good Halloween scare?.....
http://paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/03/obamacare-a-primer/print/
+100 of these ^^^ for your post Fix it Again Timmy...a GREAT article.
Outstanding article, Timmy. Thanks for linking that.
Passing readers should not under estimate the value to them of this citing by PCR.
Time to lock them up.