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Blast From The Past: Harry Reid Claimed Income Taxes Are "Voluntary"

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

With Harry Reid in deep negotiations with crony Republican fraud Mitch McConnell, the American public is surely in the process of getting royally screwed once again. Thus, it seems like an appropriate time to revisit an interview in which Mr. Reid claimed on camera that income taxes are “voluntary.” He must have accidentally described the way members of Congress view taxes, you know kind of like how they view insider trading.

As you watch, try not to get too distracted by Jan Helfeld’s tie. Where can you even buy something like that?!



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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:47 | 4054793 mvsjcl
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Can I opt out of death, too?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:52 | 4054812 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Enemy of the state!!!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:56 | 4054819 rubiconsolutions
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More like Enema by the State.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:17 | 4054878 old naughty
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Like they say death and taxes are the only sure things...

(Too) Many people would believe what Reid says.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:22 | 4054891 Call me Ishmael
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I propose a new currency and economy based on the teachings of Jim Cramer.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:40 | 4054932 ShrNfr
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The unit of currency will be named the broke?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:02 | 4054981 Harry Dong
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I kinda Was thinking the trump. It's worth four shekels and a quid.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:03 | 4055060 TruthInSunshine
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Harry "Whore House" Reid is a radical anarchist, plain & simple. Fuck you, Harry Reid!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:11 | 4055068 BeetleBailey
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...and a criminal as well. Reid is a fucking blight on the American lanscape. The cunt.

Thanks, you pricks in Nevada for putting this fucker in office time and time again. The cunt got rich in office....big surprise.....the fucker ought to be rotting in prison...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:37 | 4055087 imaginalis
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That can only be described as a blatant form of perjury against the American people

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:07 | 4055122 fourchan
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so did peter schiffs dad. and he was right but you know how the fascists are.

also back in the beginning of the fed and irs taxes were 2% of your dividend interest and they were voluntary. 

the only part of that that still exists is the fact you must sign your return agreeing to volunteer. fuck the fed.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:35 | 4055146 Deo vindice
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How on earth can any man look another in the eye and say, "Our taxation system is a VOLUNTARY system ... but of course there are fines and penalties and sometimes even jail if you don't pay"?

Is that like voluntary conscription to the military?

Unbelievable.  (Well maybe not).

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:39 | 4055282 Landotfree
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The income tax is actually several taxes which people categories as income tax.   The American wage earner is not subject to the Income tax doing business within the external boundaries of their State.   Schiff continues to go to jail as he does not understand the administrative state.     

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:25 | 4055763 gmrpeabody
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Apparently, it all depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:52 | 4055883 Ident 7777 economy
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Goddamn that Harry Reid is a CORRUPT MFer ....








Tue, 10/15/2013 - 04:53 | 4055191 Bruce Flea
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If you think he's bad, you shoulda seen his jackass opponent.


I think he paid her to run.



Tue, 10/15/2013 - 05:59 | 4055213 nevadan
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Don't thank Nevada, thank Clark county and all the pricks who moved into the state from everywhere else.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:02 | 4054982 SafelyGraze
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what this country needs is a new form of government whereby people could have their own views represented by lawmakers

rather than having lawmakers impose their own peculiar views on the non-consenting populace

maybe it would be called a 'representative democracy' or something like that


Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:25 | 4055015 Skateboarder
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That's outright jihadist thought right there. Most anti-murkan thing I've read in a long time.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:28 | 4055533 Leopold B. Scotch
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Don't go talking 'bout LIBERTY 'round here, stranger.  People ain't gonna take to kindly to you tellin' them to get their heads and hands out of that there trough. 


If I were you, son, I'd just get back on my horse and keep ridin'.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:10 | 4055141 fourchan
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or a constitutionally limited republic, where the limits are on the government not the people.



and democracy/mob rule is outlawed.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:27 | 4055542 Leopold B. Scotch
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You mean one where we scrap the current neo-authoritarian system that has ZERO respect for indiviudal consent, and replace it with one that defends Individual Liberty?

You just got yourself on a NSA extremist list, pal. Better make sure you spread all your fertilizer on your lawn before they come knockin' on your door looking for tools of the terrorist.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:54 | 4055307 jerry_theking_lawler
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i tend to disagree....the system worked as is through amendments that it was F'd up. 1)repeal the 17th amendement and let's get the true representative type of government in place that was intended. then, if this doesn't work, we can try something else.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:57 | 4054974 Harry Dong
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Here, let me help you with that martini.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:18 | 4055145 RafterManFMJ
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I'm curious - is taking a big corn nibblet shit on a politicos grave a felony or a misdemeanor? 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:10 | 4055222 Cobra
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Simple: if said politico is a different race, hate crime! If the opposite sex, sex crime. People just don't appreciate the old flaming bag of poo anymore.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:21 | 4054886 ACP
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I've never seen an interview that went so awry since the infamous interview of Gerald Bull.

And Reid keeps getting re-elected.

Ah, the combined power of stupidity and money...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:58 | 4055055 monkeyshine
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Ace Rothstein: You guys have to be kidding, adjourned? What do you mean adjoured? Mr. Chairman, Senator. You promised me a hearing, you won't allow me a hearing? You didn't even look at the FBI reports. When you were my guest, Mr. Chairman, Senator, at the Tangiers hotel, did you not promise me that I would have a fair hearing?
Senator: I was never... I was never your guest at the Tangiers...
Ace Rothstein: You were never my guest?
Senator: ...that's right.
Ace Rothstein: I never comped you? I don't comp you at least 2 or 3 times a month? At the Tangiers?
Senator: I... I'd like to answer that at this time, Mr. Rothstein is being very typical to this point. He's lying. The only time I was at the Tangiers was when I had dinner with Barney Greenstein.
Ace Rothstein: Was I at that dinner? Tell me, was I at that dinner?
Senator: You were wandering.
Ace Rothstein: Was I at that dinner? Was I?
Senator: You were wandering around. You were in the... you were in the building.
Ace Rothstein: I was in the building? You know damn well I was at that dinner, and you swore to me I would have a fair hearing. Did you not? Did you not? Well, tell me I was at least at the dinner. Allow me that much. Give me that much at least!
Senator: Yes, you were.
Ace Rothstein: Yeah. Thanks for not calling me a liar. You son of a bitch.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:47 | 4054868 VD
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IRS = criminal. 

Income tax = unconstitutional. 


Shrink gov way down = most problems solved.


The video incontrovertibly proves that Reid is a moron and a liar.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:23 | 4055260 quadcap
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No, this video proves that Reid is a liar and that the American people are morons for voting fucks like him into power.


Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:56 | 4055642 xtop23
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^ that


Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:33 | 4055797 marathonman
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I haven't actually bought this book but the concept has intrigued me - The Law That Never Was.  What if it were true?  I guess it doesn't matter at this point.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:58 | 4055137 Bro of the Sorr...
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can we just hang this asshole and the rest of these cronies already? who's with me?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:53 | 4054815 DoChenRollingBearing
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Maybe income taxes are voluntary for Harry Reid.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:05 | 4054849 HoofHearted
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As I listen to this, he seems more like Harry (can't) Reid. (With a nod to the great UNC basketball player JR Can't Reid.)

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:54 | 4055313 jerry_theking_lawler
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and most certainly for little timmy geithner...

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:57 | 4054828 pointer
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paying taxes is voluntary, but filing a tax return is required by law.  So in essense Harry Reid is telling the truth, but when you file a tax return that document is what makes you have to pay taxes.

It's all in the wording.

I wish everyone would withhold 0 and the contractors stop sending in their quarterlies.  If enough people did it what would they do?  There are more of us than there are of them and we seem to be foregetting that fact.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:19 | 4055005 ClassicalLib17
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I'm not sure about this, but isn't money and assets basically a bunch of digits stored somewhere that can be frozen or seized by the likes of people like Harry Reid?  Sorry, no college education here,  just rich in firearm training and supplies.  That's all I know.  That and carpentry.  Thank you for humoring me. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:32 | 4055125 Debugas
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not if you keep it in physical paper form (have you ever heard the word CASH ?)

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:15 | 4055144 fourchan
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just stop working convert it all to bullion, and get an obama phone sec 8 and a ebc card and medicare. problems solved.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:56 | 4055646 Zymurguy
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The govt. doesn't need our tax dollars.  Taxation is simply a control over individuals to repress their ability to be independent from govt.

Just ask yourself this... "why do we have an ever increasing money supply, odious govt. debt, increased debt ceiling, astronomical amounts of interest obligations and a central bank complicit with providing a never ending support of liquidity?"

Meh, our income taxes are nothing but a yoke.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:10 | 4055707 Random
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Soz for posting almost the same thing, haven't noticed your post when i did mine.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:11 | 4055704 Random
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Well imho taxes are not meant to fund anything directly (loans taken by the government are for that, payed by the peons). Case in point, 1 Trillion + deficit per year.Taxes are meant to keep people poor and for re-distribution (think Fed, MIC, free-shit-army, big pharma, big AG, big everything in fact). How can you control people if they can afford everything they need and quite a lot of what they want? Taxes are a tool of control (means), not and end.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:18 | 4054877 Anusocracy
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Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:48 | 4055160 Rentier
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they are voluntary if you are creative

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:54 | 4055633 xtop23
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Term limits now..... please.....immediately.

Then we can get rid of this cancerous hump. 


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:48 | 4054798 Eireann go Brach
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Now there is a fucking weasel of a man that I would allow my 4 year to hit with a bat!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:06 | 4054852 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Any four year near Uncle Harry would be molested. Keep your children away from Harry!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:49 | 4054799 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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Yeah you can volunteer to go on an all tax payed vacation to con-college, say hi to Wesley Snipes for me.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:49 | 4054803 Richard Chesler
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motherfucker criminal scumbag.

Fuck you Harry.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:58 | 4054825 lakecity55
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Hey, volunteer to walk off a pier with an anvil chained to your leg, Hairy.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:15 | 4054872 Thunderwall
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:53 | 4054807 Cognitive Dissonance
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Consent......forced, inferred or fraudulently received, is often conflated with voluntary.......particularly by those who benefit from the "consent" of others.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:55 | 4054814 El Vaquero
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I don't mean to insult you, but your name fits that cocksnort's words.  If I know that I'm going to have to worry about men with guns showing up or some process server carrying a document that says "In the United States District Court, District of XXX...  SUMMONS" on the top, it's not fucking voluntary. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:09 | 4054839 Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree.

But the trick to controlling and pacifying a (large) population is to use language to subvert and subjugate. Peace is war, tax is voluntary and this ain't a gun pointed at your head.

<So pay up sucker or you'll be volunteered for the wrong end of a firing squad.>

In the eyes and mind of the sociopath oppressor if you ain't resisting then you're consenting/agreeing. Since you haven't been here very long please take a stroll through some of my Zero Hedge articles for more Cognitive Dissonance.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:26 | 4054904 El Vaquero
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I've already read some of them.

In the eyes and mind of the sociopath oppressor if you ain't resisting then you're consenting/agreeing. Since you haven't been here very long please take a stroll through some of my Zero Hedge articles for more Cognitive Dissonance.

I've been lurking here for quite a while without signing up.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:44 | 4054940 Cognitive Dissonance
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Wonderful! Thank you for converting your passive lurking into a full blown membership. Welcome to the insane asylum. ;)

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:06 | 4054989 El Vaquero
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You have to be insane to want to know what's going on.  It drives people to drink.  It causes ulcers.  It stresses you out.  It causes a legitimate cases of all around butthurt.  It might even prolapse your colon.  Do I automatically believe everything on this site?  Nope, but I've gone through enough hard data that agrees with a lot of the corruption that is listed here to know that I should be leery of dismissing most of its articles out of hand.  I trust hard phsical experiments, measurements and data.  Other than that, it's tough to know whaqt to believe anymore. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:57 | 4055053 zhandax
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For some of us it's a short drive

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:03 | 4054840 Jethro
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Perhaps this Fabian tool meant that we've been "volunteered" to pay income taxes?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:03 | 4054850 Apply Force
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Taxation at this point is simple extortion.  I have no confidence in .gov, and if I choose not to consent They will come to collect.  I will never "go" to jail (at least while in any conscious state), so that would likely leave me dead.  So to avoid death, which I would say is the opposite of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" I simply pay the extortion fee. For now.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:11 | 4054865 El Vaquero
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Nice shit that I have:


An M1 Garand and a few other guns

A computer

A small amount of ariable land.

Some camping and hunting gear.

Some cookwear.

A smoker.  (That I built.)

A decent variety of tools.

A snazzy pair of durable boots that I wear everyday. 


Yeah, Uncle Sam is going to have a tough time getting shit out of me. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 12:55 | 4056520 Maverick Ninefingers
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If you have land, then don't you pay property taxes?  If you stop paying those, the land stops being yours.  That suggests that perhaps the land isn't really yours to begin with.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:51 | 4054810 Osmium
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Income taxes are voluntary?  I must be a complete moron for paying income taxes all these years.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:47 | 4054949 merizobeach
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"[C]omplete moron" is a subjective term, my conditional agreement aside; the objective reality is that you are a war-supporter and terrorist-government-subsidizer.  And you also helped to fund the welfare dependency state.  Another subjective term that could arguably be used to describe your paying taxes is "immoral".

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:55 | 4054816 TaperProof
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Harry Reid, Voluntaryist 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:55 | 4054818 lakecity55
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Taxes are voluntary.

If you volunteer your ducats, you won't get shot!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:58 | 4054822 logically possible
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This POS must use a different dictionary than I do.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:56 | 4054826 Jethro
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He's such a duplicitous twat.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:02 | 4054835 Zombie_Economics
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In Soviet Amerika, voluntary means it is mandatory for you to volunteer.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:07 | 4054855 HoofHearted
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I am just waiting to see what Boris has to say about this one...

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:06 | 4054857 Zombie_Economics
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LoL, you and me both!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 04:44 | 4055188 MisterMousePotato
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Boris may not see the humor in this.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:03 | 4054842 HowardBeale
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Actually, it is true:

For those who aren't familiar with Larkin Rose, enjoy. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:02 | 4054846 Oldwood
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I guess our prison system is voluntary too!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:04 | 4054847 are we there yet
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Talk to Willie Nelson about voluntary. It is voluntary until you do not volunteer. Or if you volunteer incorrectly. Or if your accountant dosen't volunteer you correctly...... Tim Geitner and friends are exempt.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:06 | 4054856 Oldwood
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You know, Harry's taxes probably are voluntary as are all of the rest of our fearless leaders.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:56 | 4055097 zhandax
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He does include the disclaimer, "You could cheat".  He left out the part about being deep enough in the ponzi to get it 'overlooked'.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:07 | 4054854 F-Tipp
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Peter Schiff's father tried to argue that they are voluntary (which is the case Constitutionally), and it got him 15 years in prison. Reid should go talk to him about voluntary taxes.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:14 | 4054871 Kreditanstalt
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Yes, but Irwin Schiff made the mistake of trusting in the impartiality of a court system which is in fact an arm of government.

Don't want to pay taxes?  You have a responsibility to yourself, your family and to future generations to avoid and evade wherever possible...IF you still believe there's much point in working or investing at all. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:19 | 4054881 HoofHearted
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More and more I've been asking myself that question....Who is John Galt?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:40 | 4054929 Oldwood
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I'm not sure where Galt's Gulch is but I'm pretty sure its a long way from here. The best thing I've heard today is that Obama will retire to a 40 million dollar estate in Hawaii. Of course I'm assuming retirement in the next three years....or less, and he is on a island!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:12 | 4054993 Boxed Merlot
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Irwin Schiff made the mistake of trusting in the impartiality of a court system...


True enough.  The fact remains that your signature is what makes your 1040 a legal document and because a US citizen cannot be compelled to be a witness against oneself, it is a fact by definition, it is a voluntary act.  If signed under compulsion, it could never be used against one, but as you noted, our judiciary is dependent on the proceeds from the system, so expect no quarter from the vetted attorneys that have been appointed to their positions of self-aggrandizement.  

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:31 | 4055086 Meat Hammer
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Agreed.  The only hope we have is a jury, one after another, comprised of 12 awake people who will vote Not Guilty in any tax-evasion trial.

So, in other words, there's no hope.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:11 | 4054862 ebworthen
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As voluntary as my morning Constitutional.

Harry Reid, 1/2 of the Harpie Legion From Hell that needs to be strung from the nearest lampost.

My neighbor said that, so don't quote me, I think that man is a true patriot who cares for his constituency!


p.s. - N.S.A. has to guess what part of that is sarcasm, you worthless treasonus fucks.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:13 | 4054863 RaceToTheBottom
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Harry must be a resident of Puerto Rico.... but then he would not be a congressman, would he?


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:22 | 4054893 logically possible
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Harry very possibly could be a resident of Puerto Rico. Obama is a resident of Kenya and he is our President.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:27 | 4054894 SillySalesmanQu...
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Harry is a resident and charter member of Their Assholinesses.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:14 | 4054866 Seize Mars
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Harry Reid, traitorous ratfuck liar scumbag. Oh yeah it's voluntary. Except for the theft of all of your shit by men with guns who then beat your ass and throw you in a fucking CAGE. Just ask Irwin Schiff.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:05 | 4055221 Rusty_Shackleford
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Leo Tolstoy on State Power:

“In spite of the unceasing efforts made by men in power to conceal this and to ascribe a different meaning to power, power is the application of a rope, a chain by which a person will be bound and dragged along, or of a whip, with which he will be flogged, or of a knife, or an ax with which they will cut off his hands, feet, ears, head—an application of these means or the threat they will be used. Thus it was in the time of Nero and of Ghenghis Khan and thus it is even now, in the most liberal of governments.”


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:13 | 4054867 Trucker Glock
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Who votes for this fucker?  And don't say Mickey Mouse and dead people.  There are real, living people that actually vote for this piece of shit, too.  What are they thinking?  What do they get for their vote?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:18 | 4055738 BigJim
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Endless 'free' lunches

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:13 | 4054873 throwthebumsout
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How disgusting.  Harry Reid is delusional or really stupid.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:22 | 4054884 Hedge Fund of One
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:15 | 4054874 MiltonFriedmans...
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Is there a more despicable creature in the halls of Congress? Well, maybe.....God I hate that man, man.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:16 | 4054875 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Etymology of "weasel":

From Middle English wesele, from Old English weosule, from Proto-Germanic *wisul? (compare West Frisian wezeling, Low German Wessel, Wissel, Dutch wezel, German Wiesel, Swedish vessla), from Proto-Indo-European *wiselos (compare Irish fíal 'ferret'), from *wis- 'musk, stink' (compare Latin virus 'slimy liquid, mud; stench', Sanskrit ????? (visra) 'musty, smelling of raw meat)'.

Sounds about right for Reed and the rest of his peers at the Club Fed Bar and Grill.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:22 | 4054888 Hedge Fund of One
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I wish he would have instructed IRS about that voluntary thing.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:24 | 4054890 enoch_root
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Someone 'volunteer' Harry Reid to an insane asylum.Choking to death on tax forms would too good for this fuck.


People like this guy is what has shredded the Constitution which is crystal clear on taxation ... and paper monies.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:23 | 4054896 Thunderwall
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I can't help but wonder where these people think they're going to hide or who's going protect them when the shit comes crashing down?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:24 | 4054901 UP4Liberty
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One word:  L-O-S-E-R

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:33 | 4054915 Bunga Bunga
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Attach it to an empty tax return and you're done.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:41 | 4054930 world_debt_slave
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yeah, I also watched that film by the late Aaron Ruso "Freedom to Fascism" talking with an ex-head of the IRS on the meaning of "voluntary" and the same doublespeak.

The gov. uses doublespeak to fool the citizens. It is crazy how they get away with it. But they do.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:49 | 4054953 adr
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Harry believes since voting is voluntary, it doesn't matter if someone adds 10k ballots with his name on them so he doesn't lose an election.

It was a voluntary decision by his election team.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:56 | 4054963 ToNYC
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Income is as voluntary as is the tax on it; no income , no tax.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:56 | 4054966 hound dog vigilante
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Absolute proof that Harry Reid is an idiot (like, sub-80 IQ, unable to perform moderately complex mental tasks... idiot).  I've had brighter dogs.

The people of Nevada should be ashamed of themselves.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:58 | 4054970 reader2010
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"The attempt of some groups to establish a world-economy based on a particular division of labor, to create national states in the core areas as politico-economic guarantors of this system, and to get the workers to pay not only the profits but the costs of maintaining the system was not easy... it was not easy because the people who paid the short-run costs screamed lustily at the unfairness of it all...The mark of the modern world is the imagination of its profiteers and the counter-assertiveness of the oppressed. Exploitation and the refusal to accept exploitation as either inevitable or just constitute the continuing antinomy of the modern era, joined together in a dialectic which has far from reached its climax in the twentieth century.”

—  Immanuel Wallerstein,  The Modern World-System, vol. I
Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:07 | 4054971 monad
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Involuntary taxes are the measure of slavery. So IRS describes income tax as voluntary. But Bill Cooper was murdered and his murderers walked, on the grounds that they killed him because he didn't pay his taxes... or maybe because he explained this

IRS=BATF Criminal Fraud 1/2

IRS=BATF Criminal Fraud 2/2

US v. Long, IRS Lost

IRS v. Individual Rights

Rights v. Privileges in Taxes

Bill Cooper's Last Broadcast 5 November 2001

Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 in detail 6/29/2001

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:01 | 4054973 Tapeworm
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That tie is tasteless compared to the Western themed Betty Boop tie that I inherited from my father.

 I do get a smile from the Betty Boop when I see it hanging in my closet as it would go very vell with a brown suit that I never wear.

 As a kid, my brother and myself got hand-me-downs as did many children. One of the worst possible things for an eight year old boy was to get a print silky shirt with bathing beauty ladies upon it. The old bastards all thought it was really quite cool, but neither of us would submit to the mortification of girls on the shirt. I would bet that the horror would be worth a lot now as a chunk of 1950's pop culture.

 Now if you want to see unabashed ugly, watch reruns of Hawaii 5/0.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:12 | 4054992 merizobeach
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There seems to be a lot of folks in the comments here who resent paying their tribute to the war machine and its ten thousand tentacles of government that oppress humanity.  Seems like a fair sentiment, but how many are actually willing to opt out?  How many instead will just continue to capitulate and grumble, year after year, supporting the enemy, capitulating and grumbling?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:12 | 4054997 Dazman
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It's voluntary, but if you don't pay then you are Involuntarily fucked up by either being imprisoned, fined, or otherwise having your assets taken from you.

I want to ask for someone to explain this to me, but I know that thre really is no logic or explanation beyond the fact that POLITICIANS ARE FILTY LYING SCUM AND NEED TO BE IRRADICATED FROM OUR SOCIETY.

I came to this country looking for better opportunities, so that my hard work and efforts would go appreciated and that I could find some reward for doing so (I work 12+ hours solid per day, 7 days a week). Instead I find that I am being conned and my assests are being stolen at every turn, either through bullshit charges and taxes on items (Obamacare, bullshit taxes at every gov't level), or by way of deflationary purchasing power for my accumulated assets (which aren't a lot mind you) because the greedy fucks can't live within their means and need to print more money (which reduces the value of my money)

And while I love the people of this country, the government are so corrupt and deceptive that I am within weeks of making a decision to leave permanetly and renounce my legal permanent residence (literally, I have been thinking about this for about 6 months now and have made partial plans).

The moment they truly realize about the fallacy of their ways, it will be too late. It is already too late. About 90% of that huge national debt was accumulated before I got here, and you can go fuck yourself Obama if you think I'll be staying here to pay it off for you.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:04 | 4055105 Trampy
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I am within weeks of making a decision to leave permanetly and renounce my legal permanent residence

OK, I'll bite.  If you're considering renouncing legal permanent residency, it appears that you would be going back to your country of citizenship.

If that's a better place than here, please let us know the name of that country.  TIA.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:50 | 4055878 Dazman
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No, bit moving back to country of citizenship (Ireland). Not a fan of Europe either. I am looking at some carribean countries (Dominican Republic) and also considering UAE and Singapore.


I have finalized no plans and made no decision yet. But I am seriously considering... Which I think is enough to suggest how unattractive the politicians have made the USA right now. Good people, but horrible politicians and laws regulating everything. Spoken with many people born here, LPR's and tourists alike and many feel the same. 

Sat, 10/19/2013 - 22:45 | 4072814 merizobeach
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It's a big world, bro.  May the wind be at your back.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:18 | 4055003 discopimp
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Go Henry; remember if you say "voluntary" enough you may just begin to convince yourself.  The rest of us love the fact that you J.D. degree is being put to good use...well I guess that depend what the definition of “is”, is?


Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:20 | 4055009 loveyajimbo
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Here is a great read on the shitbag that is "Roid Reid:

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:22 | 4055012 draghithebearslayer
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The confusion comes from definition of the term "voluntary". The interviewer, as well as most of people reading this post, listen to word "voluntary" and think "Voluntary: done, given, or acting of one's own free will." This begs the quesion: "Can you choose to not pay your taxes and get away with it?" Of course, the answer is no, thus, NOT voluntary.

Harry Reid is using the term in completely different sense. "Voluntary: (of a conveyance or disposition) made without return in money or other consideration." Using this definition, the income tax IS voluntary because it is paid without return in money or other consideration, like charity. It's a voluntary payment so the government do not have to pay back in money or other consideration. He's a sanator. It's only natural for him to speak from the persepctive of the government. That's the reason why he's keep repeating the phrase "voluntary", and appears to be confused by interviewer's (seemingly) irrelevant inquiries.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:30 | 4055084 Shibumi2
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Bravo DragBear et al



Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:39 | 4055126 Debugas
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as a side note

when people like he speak of freedom they mean freedom to exploit others

when ordinary people speak of freedom they mean freedom from being exploited

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:00 | 4055317 Zombie_Economics
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The problem is, I have a copy of the "Handbook for Special Agents" that every IRS Agent receives.  On the second page, just after you lift the cardboard soft cover, there is a statement that reads exactly as follows:


"AGENTS...Our Tax system is based on individual self assessment and voluntary compliance...the material contained in this handbook is confidential in character. It must not under any circumstances be made available to persons outside the service."


So, after read this, you start asking a few questions.  Shit like; what the fuck is the big secret in the way the tax collector works that the public cannot know about?  Or; voluntary compliance, what does that mean?


Yes, "voluntary compliance" ain't got fuck all with your financial definition Jack.  I have a copy of the code too.  In not one section is an actual law referenced defining an American National as creating "income", at all.  Only surplus funds above the cost of operating are considered income, hence profits.  A private individual that works for a paycheck, exchanging labor for federal reserve paper, is in FACT, not earning income.  So you can take that definition and shove it up Harry's ass here, okay?


The code and the law are both designed for corporate entities, not people.  Every tactic is based on a lie.  This is the strong arm of the Federal Reserve not bound in law, but a fucking bully robbing people by force.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:59 | 4055426 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' bitten by their own fantasy.

'American' societies were established through complied membership.

The voluntary compliance to the tax system comes from the fact that 'american' societies are voluntary societies. So say 'americans'

'Americans' can not even face their own fantasy.

Who could have figured that?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:53 | 4055044 Bear
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All these S..tBags say one thing one day and another thing the next day. Just contemplate the words of Obama about the debt ceiling under Bush and the debt ceiling under his regime.  These guys lie at will because they can say to themselves that 'their ends justifies their means'. They are the personifications of the adage that 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'. Lying is becoming a more common approach than telling the truth. I am not so naive as to think this is anything new; however, the extent and blatantness of their mendacity is striking (and revolting).

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:54 | 4055052 lasvegaspersona
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omg he was even dumber back then

America can thank Nevada unions for sending Harry back to DC...maybe no one here could stand to have  him around here.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:02 | 4055057 tradewithdave
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Are you talking about the same Harry Reid who went ballistic and began choking Latoya Jackson's husband saying "You son of a &*^%*, you tried to bribe me!"  Do you mean the Harry Reid who said “I think it is much easier to be a good member of the Church and a Democrat than a good member of the Church and a Republican.”

Oh yeah...that Harry Reid?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:00 | 4055058 Azwethinkweiz
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Obviously former Treasury Secretary Timothy Geitner is the only one who listened to and went by this interview....he made out just fine.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:28 | 4055082 W74
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FUCK.  These people are so fucking fucked in the head with their legalese speak and lawyer mentalities that they don't even respond to simple questions.

Harry Reid can't even fathom simple concepts.  He's rather just argue about what is or isn't force or what is or isn't voluntary vs. involuntary when that's not even what the TOPIC is about.  There who game plan is to fuck with people's heads to the point they either tune out and don't listen or give up in frustration!!!


Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:03 | 4055095 Constitutional ...
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The IRS and Gaming Commission should take another look at Mr Reid's tax returns, and links to the mob. This is do-able, Harry.

Federal tax was introduced in 1913 with the founding of the un-Federal no-Reserve Board, owned by foreigners, as a minimal tax on the 'rich', and then expanded to include all workers.

Harry, STFU if you know what's good for you, jerk. On second thought, keep talking...

A forensic audit of your own accounts is overdue, Harry, and I call you Harry as you dare to treat everyone else's money as your own, like you're some dumb rich kid, grifting off his parents.

Politically connected crime boss Al Capone's terror reign was finally brought down fraud, Harry.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:05 | 4055106 DFCtomm
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Didn't you learn anything from the EBT fiasco this weekend? You can't shink the goverment, and if you even think about it the 47% will burn every city to the ground. The Goverment's trajectory is locked in, and thus so are we. Strap in and enjoy the ride it's going to be a doozy.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 02:46 | 4055135 Manipuflation
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Well, that is an old one but sometimes old ones are good.  Here, let me me pimp my site again so I can make NO money on the deal with this old one.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:41 | 4055158 Ghordius
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so to recap the US is the only country I know of that indulges in the fantasy of voluntary taxes

imo it's an attitude that favours corruption and separates the mindsets of the citizen and taxpayer from the free, creating an exceptional cognitive dissonance

at the times when the US gov was a small affair mostly financed by tariffs this attitude made some sense, I guess. the federal gov was in charge of the borders and extracted there the means it needed to function

but now the US fed gov is like a huge hurricane, and people living in it's eye still think that it can go away, if they just ignore it

funny perspective, seen from the side of the storm's front. very insular

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:55 | 4055414 AnAnonymous
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There is absolutely no fantasy in that.

Participation and membership to an 'american' society is voluntary.
Therefore the respect of the taxation that follow is voluntary.
Such is the respect of the laws of the land etc

One chooses to be an 'american' member of an 'american' society.

The best thing in that thing is the old lie that the war for independence was fought over taxations issues primarly, the way the Founding Fathers covered up for their war that aimed at expanding on Indian lands and ensure the enduring of slavery (which european kings were tepid about) is surfacing again.

Yet founding fathers, in their 'american' fantasy, made it clear that taxation should be perceived as the result of a voluntary act, 'americans' accepting to be governed through representation.

When 'american', thieves never thieve enough apparently.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 03:51 | 4055161 are we there yet
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As voluntary as the patriot act is patriotic.
Or the affordable care act is affordable.
Or independent news is independent or news.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 05:01 | 4055194 royal
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Reid, whatever his other shortcomings, is correct about income taxes being voluntary.

There is in fact NO law in existence which legally forces you to pay this type of tax.

Irwin Schiff (Peter Schiff's dad) proved this was true, thus why the federal mafia had him put in prison.


Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:10 | 4055246 wtf1369
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I think you prove Reid's full of shit with the Schiff case. The bottom line is Schiff's doing hard time. There is nothing voluntary about the federal extortion taxes, I'm reminded every April when Uncle Sam shakes me down and the options are pay up in green backs or face fines, legal fees and ultimately hard time.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:00 | 4055439 AnAnonymous
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The 'american' epidemia.
In an 'american' society, the compliance with a system of law is voluntary because the membership to an 'american' society is voluntary.

So even when backed by a law, taxation is voluntary in an 'american' society.

'Americans' destroyed the King's society and they can not even bear what they said in order to achieve that destruction.

The 'americans', slavers, master coercers, land grabbers...

Nothing is free enough for them.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 05:17 | 4055198 wisefool
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He was so much better looking back then. I am not saying he was as cute as a BDO girl in a current MSM advert. I am not saying the state/senate is done with him yet.

But Dayum. The interviewer almost got him to say that a midlife crisis sports car is tax deducatable!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 05:51 | 4055211 Randoom Thought
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Spose this was the Harry Reid that used to win elections and not the one that falsified election results and claimed victory as he did in his last (choke) contest. Helps to have you son running the counting and pulling the plug on the counting mechanism when you are down by 13% to a Tea Party candidate. But hey, he cheated better than the next guy... or gal ... whatever. That counts in Washington.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:04 | 4055216 NaiLib
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A M A Z I N G !   With leaders like that there is no wonder US has an enormous problem. Who are they, who voted for this man?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:14 | 4055223 NaiLib
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Mr Reis is also incorrect in claiming "in some European countries you dont file... That is simply incorrect. But that is of course just another example of just how little Americans know about Europe, and vice vers, Europeans know very little of the system i US. But Mr Reid just dont know what Europe is.


I would like somone of you guys here to prove the the system in US truly is "volontary" , could you do that?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:45 | 4055236 negative rates
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If you are drug dealer you can avoid taxes, hooker, thiefs, avoids taxes, anything in the underground economy can avoid taxes. Now the paying public, pay taxes or take their chances with the law man. Lots of opportunity here folks, in this land of plenty.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:05 | 4055445 AnAnonymous
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The video is old. Not filing simply means that taxation can be automatically performed without a taxed person writing in a tax document.
It is taken at the source.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 13:12 | 4056578 Maverick Ninefingers
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I agree.  The taxing happens when your employer witholds taxes from your paycheck.  Refusing to file a return would only allow the gov to keep any extra it got.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:33 | 4055229 deerhunter
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It will all be OK.  Continue to think that voting matters.  What matters is what happened on Saturday when the EBT system was shutdown.  It was shutdown.  It was no glitch.  I remember 1968 when I was 13 and the factory dad worked at was down in the ghetto and we rode with him to his second shift job with a handgun in the glovebox.  Mom had to use the car many times and me being the oldest son made it my job to ride with mom at midnight to pick him up.  There were crowds at intersections.  I had one job.  If they came toward the car while we stopped for a light and touched the door handles,  shoot them in the middle of the chest.  1968 riots were nothing compared to what happens when we get 3 days of no EBT.  Think they won't do it?  We volutarily pay taxes.  Ever seen men with riflles on top of factories because working men and women were just trying to feed their families?  I have.  Ever been in an out of control riot situation with no law enforcement any where in sight?  I have.  Ever been in fear for your life?  I have.  Government has run amuck for so long now citizens have come to accept it as a way of life.  Our police forces look like full blown military forces.  Government workers contempt for we the little people shows on their faces.  There is an ill wind blowing in this land.  If you don't feel it,  wake up.  If you don't smell it, wake up.  It is only going to take a spark.  I thought maybe the veterans in DC might do it.  If one of them had been fired on by the gov't it would have gone up like a dry forest after a lightening strike.  I have said before and I say again,  there are over 2 million licensed gun deer hunters in just the four states of Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.  Most can kill a deer with a dinner plate size kill zone with one shot.  Most probably pay their taxes. Most probably don't complain much.  Most know too that they would rather be kissed before they get F,,,, ed.  It is an ill wind. Be aware.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:33 | 4055231 sbenard
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Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:19 | 4055248 GrinandBearit
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We live in bizarro world.

These psychopaths are not voted in, they're appointed.  It's been that way for years. 

I would not be suprised if they were all aliens (ie. "They Live").

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 07:11 | 4055253 tnfcfa
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Phraseology - the study of other people's phrsases?

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:09 | 4055331 Mi Naem
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- the study of the bumps on other people's phrases to determine the character of those expressions. 

This video is just another example of why our unflinchingly lying "leaders" need to start having automobile accidents and heart attacks. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:07 | 4055324 orangegeek
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Fuck you Harry - you asshole.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:06 | 4055327 dufferin
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