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Walmart Shopping Stampede Ensues When Foodstamp Glitch Removes EBT Spending Limits

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On Saturday, tens of millions of Americans across 17 states found themselves in an unfamiliar situation: they couldn't rely on the US government for their daily foodstamp-funded bread. The result was anger, confusion and sometimes, outright panic, as shoppers left their full shopping carts in stores, and departed their favorite general retailer in a daze. However, while most outlets that accepted EBT were experiencing a one-day, non-recurring hit to their EPS, several Walmart stores in Louisiana decided to brave through the Xerox-induced blackout for several hours by eliminating the spending caps on EBT cards, leading to nothing short of shopping stampedes. The result, as CBS reports, is that "Walmart and local police in Springhill and Mansfield ... were called into the stores to help maintain order Saturday as shoppers swept through the aisles at two stores and bought as much as they could carry."

CBS explains:

Walmart workers phoned their corporate headquarters to ask how they should handle all the shoppers with unlimited, government-funded spending limits, and were told to keep the registers ringing.


"We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards during the outage so that they could get food for their families," Walmart representative Kayla Whaling told KSLA. She added that Walmart was, "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."


Shoppers gave mixed reactions to the incident, with one man in the Springhill store told KSLA it was simply "human reaction" to stock-up when given the opportunity. Shopper Stan Garcia was more critical of the unscrupulous shoppers, however, saying that taking advantage of the brief glitch in the benefits system amounted to "plain theft. That's stealing, that's all I got to say about it."

The police disagreed:

Police spokesmen in both locations told KSLA that no arrests were made during the spending sprees.

After all, why arrest when all the public is doing is taking advantage of government generosity taken to its logical extreme: unlimited spending cards funding by either other taxpayers or America's creditors, the largest of which is now the Federal Reserve. Isn't that what the Fed enables Congress to do on a daily basis anyway?

Naturally, once the glitch was fixed, the stampede quickly ended:

Amateur video taken on shoppers' cell phones shows dozens of shopping carts, piled high with merchandise, abandoned in the aisles of one Walmart after the announcement was made that EBT cards were once again showing accurate spending limits.

There's that. Or perhaps it was all just a test run for what will happen when the Fed finally waves a white flag, and gives every American an unlimited-spending debt card in a desperate last-ditch effort to finally enact Bernanke's monetary helicopter paradrop wet dream.

KSLA News 12 Shreveport, Louisiana News Weather


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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:17 | 4053170 slaughterer
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:19 | 4053177 Say What Again
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They must be using the EBTs to buy stocks.  The RUT & NDX at all-time highs.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:24 | 4053228 WayBehind
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Now WM has a good excuse for the next quarterly report. Lets blame it on EBT.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:28 | 4053238 jbvtme
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feedlot usa

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:29 | 4053243 Pladizow
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Did they buy any cake to eat?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:38 | 4053264 hedgeless_horseman
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~47,000,000 Americans currently on food stamps

~15% of all Americans

~70% of all African Americans



Relax, it is only ~70% of all African Americans that rely on SNAP to eat.  If it goes down, for whatever reason, then I am sure everything will be just fine.

Barter in Haiti.

Shopping in Zimbabwe.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:38 | 4053298 adr
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Careful, the truth is now a hate crime.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:43 | 4053326 BoNeSxxx
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Free.  Shit.  Army.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:53 | 4053374 max2205
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FSA attacks hand that feeds at 11

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:57 | 4053387 hedgeless_horseman
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A majority, or 64%, of Americans don't have enough cash on hand to handle a $1,000 emergency expense, according to a survey by the National Foundation for Credit Counseling

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:00 | 4053399 Enslavethechild...
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$1000 will buy you a loaf of bread a year from now. Got wheat in 5 gallon buckets?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:24 | 4053551 MiguelitoRaton
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Today they feed on free Walmart food, tomorrow they will feed on the rich...history shows it to be true.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:29 | 4054026 12ToothAssassin
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People say 3 days without food causes riots. THe latest data points to 3 hours without food. Hedge accordingly.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:38 | 4054193 Pure Evil
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What the Free Shiite Army wants.....

        The Free Shiite Army gets!!!!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:37 | 4053625 quasimodo
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Gawd I am so sick of that line. It's about as bad as "there, fixed it for ya"

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:54 | 4054343 Pure Evil
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Of course everyone on ZH gets the fact that this whole operation was orchestrated by the Obama regime right?

Has anyone stopped to wonder why only three communities in the Deep South, two in Louisiana, and one in Mississippi which are majority black communities were affected by this?

How is that only these three communities were affected by the no limit EBT card fiasco and in those communities Walmart did not shut post that the EBT system was down as they did in other Walmart stores?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:54 | 4053710 outamyeffinway
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Slow down pal. It took 3 years for bread in Weimar Germany to go from $1.00 to a trillion!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:59 | 4053732 James_Cole
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It took 3 years for bread in Weimar Germany to go from $1.00 to a trillion!

By that point the Germans had already been on a new currency for a few years though. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:35 | 4055559 outamyeffinway
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Wrong. The Rentenmark was created after prices escalated out of control. That's how it works. The old currency has to fail first.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:44 | 4054460 DeadFred
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:06 | 4053417 Skateboarder
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Emergency expense? That's what credit cards are for, silly.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 21:56 | 4058999 MeelionDollerBogus
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wait, what?!

I thought credit cards were for paying other credit cards!!

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:21 | 4054539 tip e. canoe
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99.99999% of AmerICons don't know how to handle a $1,000 emergency expense with ingenuity, education & experience so that it will cost them less than $100 should that emergency ever arise.

and therein lies the real problem with AmerICo.

america's a different story?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:54 | 4053378 The Abstraction...
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The truth is anti-Semitic.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:12 | 4053480 James_Cole
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US society is a BLATANTLY racist system, anyone who denies that is a moron. On African Americans specifically though...

According to the Human Rights Watch, people of color are no more likely to use or sell illegal drugs than whites, but they have higher rate of arrests. African Americans comprise 14 percent of regular drug users but are 37 percent of those arrested for drug offenses. From 1980 to 2007 about one in three of the 25.4 million adults arrested for drugs was African American.

The Sentencing Project reports that African Americans are 21 percent more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than white defendants and are 20 percent more like to be sentenced to prison.

So yeah, this is no surprise:

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:28 | 4053571 shovelhead
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Sucks to be dumb.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:41 | 4053633 James_Cole
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Sucks to be dumb.

If only that were true, a lot of people on here revel in their stupidity, probably because it's the only thing they're good at.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:58 | 4053727 outamyeffinway
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Watchu talkin' 'bout James!?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:24 | 4053849 buyingsterling
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If racism is the cause of black failure I guess Africa is the world center of anti-black racism.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:43 | 4053959 MeelionDollerBogus
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it is - it's called colonialism. The white conquering of the African continent hasn't ever been repaired by those who did the damage.

This should dearly concern you. The Chinese HAVE promised to make reparations in terms of business deals rather than using force to racially subjugate the "darkies". Yet another way that racist America is defeated by business smart'n'savvy Chinese.

The writing's on the wall - the empire of Ray-Ciss in America (and Israel) are falling & not getting back up.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:06 | 4054247 NidStyles
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Except Africa had fallen long before the white man got there. They were enslaving each other before the Greeks even stepped foot in Egypt.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 21:55 | 4058993 MeelionDollerBogus
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no worse than the Vikings or Genghis Kahn or various medieval era European warlords.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:36 | 4054435 orez65
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The Chinese are more racist than Americans. Africa will soon find out.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:25 | 4054560 tip e. canoe
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more is a subjective term, but your overall point deserves a +1 indeed.

the Ugly Americans have transmogrified into the Ugly Chinese.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:05 | 4054676 hivekiller
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Africa is a mess because the average IQ there is 70. In America, it's 85 because the average black has 25% white genes. It's IQ stupid.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 21:52 | 4058982 MeelionDollerBogus
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#1 that's ray-ciss

#2 the IQ test isn't accurate, isn't reflective of differing cultures & life experience

#3 there's nothing inherently lesser about Africans in intellect. They've been beaten down at every step by non-Africans, primarily white colonizers. Those colonizers, racist genociders and slavers, killed the smartest ones they could find since they wouldn't be obedient slaves.

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 01:28 | 4059433 Keloid
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The avg Chinese IQ in US is way higher than avg Chinese IQ in China. The morons can't figure out how to get here.

I believe dietary issues up to the age of two ar three years may impact cognitive functionability, which, given the state of affairs in sub-Saharan Africa, is likely statictically significant. I think the mix of white ancestry in the black bloodlines adversely impacts african american intellect.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 21:52 | 4058971 MeelionDollerBogus
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Sure, we'll accuse them of their racist crimes once we can prove it's happening. Those entering consenting agreements, for now, bear their own risk on all sides.

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 01:21 | 4059429 Keloid
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Something big and ugly is fixing to happen...Maybe I should start drinking again.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:53 | 4054222 NidStyles
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We know, we see you posting everyday.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:38 | 4053610 TheMeatTrapper
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  • Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
  • When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
  • Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
  • The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
  • Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
  • Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
  • Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
  • Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
  • Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
  • Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:59 | 4053723 James_Cole
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Care to link where your stats are coming from MeatTrapper? 

Here's some from the FBI (where basically everyone else compiles their stats from):

scholars acknowledge that some racial and ethnic minorities, particularly African Americans, are disproportionately represented in the arrest and victimization reports which are used to compile crime rate statistics in the United States. The data from 2008 reveals that Black Americans are over-represented in terms of arrests made in virtually all types of crime, with the exceptions of "Driving under the influence" and "Liquor laws". Overall, Black Americans are arrested at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans, and this ratio is even higher for murder (6.3 times) and robbery (8.1 times).

For men in their early thirties, African-Americans are more than twice as likely to have a prison record than whites. They are more than twice as likely to have been in prison (8.4 percent) than in the military (3.2 percent). African Americans are given longer federal sentences, even when factoring prior criminal records. African American jail sentences tend to be roughly 10% longer than white jail sentences for the same crimes.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:42 | 4053845 TheMeatTrapper
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I don't mind at all. Crime statistics by race are difficult to come by. Wonder why? I think it's what your type calls "An Inconvient Truth".

I have no doubt that there is a racial disparity in the administration of justice. It's no secret that Jamie Dimon is not treated like Rodney King; but you should be man enough to admit that the average black is far, far more likely to commit crime - especially violent crime, than the average white. 

You see, I am capable of having a rational discussion about this issue; and I'm capable of acknowledging your points. Are you capable of acknowledging mine? 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:42 | 4053902 James_Cole
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No surprise its the NCF 'report' - someone else on here brought it up previously seemingly unaware that NCF is a white supremacist group.

Notice how the part you're quoting from doesn't even bother with citations? If you bring up other quotes from the NCF report which actually include citations I can look at them specifically, otherwise it's just more bullshit from a white supremacist group. 

And yes, they also use the FBI statistics they just 'interpret' them in ineterestingly selective ways.  

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:01 | 4053953 TheMeatTrapper
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You see James, this is why you are not respected here. You are completely unable to have a rational, honest discussion of the issue at hand. I have no problem acknowledging your point about the disparity in the administration of the law; yet you utterly refuse to acknowledge the reality that we all experience every day. 

You cannot bring yourself to acknowldge the fact that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime in relation to their population, can you? Why not? What are you so afraid of?

If my figures are wrong, and blacks do not commit a disproportionate amount of crime, please show me. Unlike you - I am willing to listen. 


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:38 | 4054190 James_Cole
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have no problem acknowledging your point about the disparity in the administration of the law; yet you utterly refuse to acknowledge the reality that we all experience every day. 

My point was that the US has blatant systemic racism - a point you seem to acknowledge is true. Your day-to-day experience I can't know or comment on.

If my figures are wrong, and blacks do not commit a disproportionate amount of crime, please show me. Unlike you - I am willing to listen. 


Disproportionate relative to their population size yes, but keeping in mind that they are also incarcerated at a higher rate and for longer terms than equivalent crime sentencing of white offenders. They also make up an extremely disproportionate size of prison population relative to all races. 

There's also this:


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:33 | 4054277 LetThemEatRand
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Not to jump in here, but I think the primary issue is one of economics.  Blacks tend to be poorer as a group.  Poorer people are more likely to commit crimes like simple theft and burglary -- the kind that the police are likely to act upon.  Poor white people are convicted of far more crimes than wealthy white people.  Poor people commit more crimes (for obvious reasons), and they commit more crimes that are easily observed and prosecuted.  A rich white guy who runs a small ponzi scheme, for example, is not likely to be charged criminally because it's complicated and it's much easier to arrest a guy with a crack pipe stealing from the local liquor store.  We could debate all night about why one group is poorer than the other, but it comes down to that.  I'll bet if you looked at statistics of affluent blacks, they commit crimes in roughly the same proportion as affluent whites.  There are a shitload more affluent whites as a percentage of the total white population than affluent blacks as a percentage of the black population.  So you can use the statistics to make racial conclusions about which race is more likely to commit crimes, but it is pointless and misleading.

As a P.S. -- does anyone here doubt that a huge percentage of white people use illegal drugs?  Yet most are not charged because they don't live in the hood where the police are there patrolling actively for said crimes.  And middle class white people don't need to steal for their drug habits.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:07 | 4054511 NickVegas
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I was thinking along the same lines. You really would want to normalize affluent white vs. affluent black to know the truth. My guess is they have the same rates. Trading Places anyone, anyone.  


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:14 | 4054530 clymer
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please don't feed the cole-troll

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:42 | 4054563 tip e. canoe
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and why not?   this is a contrarian's contrarian site (or at least it was?)

isn't the essence of the good ol US of A is to be a land where one is able to think & say what you think as you please?

p.s. your flag's upside down

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:31 | 4054751 hedgeless_horseman
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and why not?   this is a contrarian's contrarian site

+1  Thanks for keeping it real.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 06:49 | 4055239 mophead
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"Not to jump in here, but I think the primary issue is one of economics.  Blacks tend to be poorer as a group"

Not only that: regardless of poverty, blacks are the most oppressed. An oppressed populous is an angry populous. Angry people are more likely to act irrationally. I thought this was well understood and never thought twice about the disproportionate crime rates. But, I guess if you're a racist, logic will escape you. Dumb-ass rednecks.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:23 | 4054014 Rantabulous
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The statistics we are reading relating to crime; are they predominantly echoes from past institutional racism though? Undoubtedly some racism exists today (and always will) and there will always be the incurably stupid who latch on to the simplest explanations - skin colour - whatever - but might the crime statistics of today be largely the result of past profound institutional racism (slavery based on skin colour)?

An inescapable social 'hangover' from a past wrong-doing that will take as long as it takes to dissipate? And not necessarily an example of institutional racism that exists today?


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:47 | 4054065 El Vaquero
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IMO, it sets up a vicious cycle too.  They get shunned, so they separate themselves from the rest of society and develop their own sub culture which, in many ways is at odds with people not part of that sub culture, which leads to more shunning. 


There aren't many black people where I live, but the ones that are here are pretty cool.  I've never had a problem with any of them.  But, after Katrina, a whole bunch of the refugees were shipped out here and there was an immediate and significant spike in the crime rate which was directly attributable to the refugees.  Apparently, blacks in New Orleans are culturally different than the blacks out here.  There are some very complex interactions between race and culture going on here, and I suspect that they are very misunderstood.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:15 | 4054152 Fedaykinx
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"misunderstood" is putting it lightly.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:52 | 4054220 Rantabulous
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I think your point on culture is valid. I think maybe it is possible to 'shatter' a group of people. I think there are many examples of this.

I am much more familiar with the plight of the Australian Aborigines. The destruction wrought against these people was awesome.Their descendants (and many of the descendants that afflicted the destruction) are trying to glue the pieces back together. It is a god-awful mess that affects the lives of real men, women and children.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 23:49 | 4054951 effendi
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Load of Codswallop.

The problems of the abos is a problem of their "culture". They choose sit down money (welfare), they choose to drink themselves to death, they choose to engage in raping children (in some areas up to 90% of abo children have sexually transmitted disease), beat their women, steal, go in and out of prison..

Not every one of them does this (25% are teatotallers for example) but most do. 

Why can refugee peasants come from rice paddies in Vietnam with no English and within a generation own property and have their children become doctors, they overcame discrimination as bad as faced by abos. They chose not to be lifes victems. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 00:54 | 4055049 Rantabulous
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That gentle breeze you feel on the top of your head is the point of this whole thread going by you. The comparison you use to try to make your point serves only to demonstrate your profound ignorance on the subject.

If I thought there was any value in trying to explain your errors to you I would honestly take the time, but I just don't have any hope for you that there is and so shall move on to something more useful.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:45 | 4054207 James_Cole
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An inescapable social 'hangover' from a past wrong-doing that will take as long as it takes to dissipate? And not necessarily an example of institutional racism that exists today?

I would disagree, this is a bit long but sums up a lot:

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:27 | 4055059 Rantabulous
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That is a very interesting link. Certainly, to be honest, my initial reaction to explain the numbers did lean toward 'institutional racism'. Although I still have trouble believing that could be true.

It would be interesting to see how those kinds of numbers compare to places and times with acknowledged institutional racism.

Thanks for sharing. I will certainly think on it.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 08:52 | 4055398 hivekiller
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Rodney King is a thug who got what he deserved. The media edited the tape of his arrest. He was beaten because he attacked the police officers, unlike his companions who were not beat, and because he was on PCP. The media and Hollywood have contributed to America's false consciousness about race. They report when blacks et al are attacked but not when a white person is attacked. Meanwhile Hollyweird protrays blacks in positive role models and whites as racists, killers, etc. That's why the new religion in America is the worship of all the "victims" of white civilization. Tha's why whites don't fight back. One the legal system comes after them and two, it's considered bad taste for whites to protect themselves. That would be called "white privilege". A lot of people on this web site understand part of the mind fuck we've all been a part of but that's only 10 percent of all of it.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:05 | 4054373 BlobbyBlueBland
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Can you explain then why the black crime rate in Australia is 6 times higher per capita than the white? Australia has no history of slavery. Also the same thing happens in China when blacks are imported, and the UK.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 01:17 | 4055074 Rantabulous
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Not sure on your source for that statistic. It might well be true depending on definitions (that 'black crime is 6 times higher'). Certainly (at least the last time I looked) Australian Aborigines (I am assuming these are who you are referring to by "blacks" and not African Americans living in Australia) are incarcerated in Australia at a rate 5x's higher than non-Aborigines.

Many of the communities they live in are just seething with crime. But to assume that this must be "because they are black" is to pursue an explanation that really is a leap of faith away from science or history.

To sum up a couple of hundred years of history. The 'blacks' here were slaughtered and this didn't really stop until the some time in the early-20th century. Even into the mid-20th century (a few decades ago) we had failings like 'The Stolen Generation".

The healing here, if it is even at all possible, has really only just begun. I have worked with war refugees when I was in the Red Cross and I have seen devastated families and people - just smashed human beings - but the Australian Aborigine are a 'smashed' culture'.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:24 | 4054404 cynicalskeptic
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Violent crime rates are diretly related to the proportion of a population with 'southern heritage' - those coming from the former slave owning states.   Has to do with the culturl preoccupation with 'respect' - or rather 'disrespect'.  The ipper class whites on plantations were quick to go to duels when they felt their honor was insulted.  Lower class whites wer prone to copy their 'betters' with knife fights.  Slaves followed the lead set by their owners and others.  Because plntation economies were relatively 'self sufficient' - and did not HAVE to interact and trade with their neighbors - they could afford to be easily insulted and prone to violence in response.  Northern mercantile economies meant you had a thicker skin, not wanting to lose a potential trading partner or customer.   

The preoccupation with 'honor' was especially bad in lower class whites who had little else besides a desire for 'respect'.  Really bad when combined with the fighting prone Scots Irish.  Hence a willingness to fight over something as simple as a dirty glass at a bar.  'Disrespect' is a concept that has deep SOUTHERN roots - and that is reflected in the black community as well.  

This obsession with 'respect could not go UP but festered among 'peers'   Lowewr class whites would fiught among themselves over perceived insults - and easily go to lynchings when insults were perceived to come from blacks.  Slaves and ex-slaves could not demand 'respect' from owners but would fight with other slaves over perceived insults.

I expect you have a similar effect in former Spanish colonial groups.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:08 | 4054683 El Vaquero
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I don't know about duals, but I can say that the Spaniards had a different system regarding how they treated non whites.  Up until the Pope declared that indians were people, there was a system called encomendia.  It wasn't slavery per se, because the indians only had to work for a number of months out of the year for the Spaniards and there was no buying and selling of indians, i.e. they weren't property, but it was pretty harsh none the less.  (That's not to say that there wasn't slavery, because there was.)  Not only did the Spaniards bring new European diseases in, they cut into the amount of production that the indians had for themselves, which in turn lowered their overall health which weakened their immune systems, leading to an increased susceptability to European diseases.  It was bad news all around. There were other atrocities committed as well, such as what Juan de Onyate did to Acoma.  They were pushing back against Spanish colonization and killed 11 Spaniards in an ambush, one being Onyate's nephew.  In response, he killed 600 of them, captured 500 of them (enslaving many,) and then had the right foot cut off of every male over 25 years old.  There was a statue made in recent history in honor of Onyate that depicted him sitting atop his horse.  Somebody snuck in and cut off one of the right hooves of his horse one night, and there was a pretty good chuckle over that. 


Ironically, when the US took over the Southwest after the Mexican-American war, many of the indian tribes were treated better than they had been under Spanish rule.  In contrast to what the US did to many other tribes, some were treated downright decent, yet it has been ground into their cultural psyche to not be totally trusting of outsiders. 


If you want a very big difference regarding places that were originally colonized by the Spaniards, you should look to politics.  They have a Patron system, that is running even in the midst of a representative republic style government. People who get exposed to that for the first time probably think they're on Mars or some shit. 


I grew up in an area where the culture was heavily influenced by Spanish colonalism and indians.  There is a lot of machismo among certain portions of the population, and not always in a good way.  I suppose that is another form of "preoccupation with honor."  Whites are just as likely to be discriminated against as non-whites, though if you don't go into bad neighborhoods, it's typically not that bad.  In some of the small towns, you did not stop, and this wasn't because you were white or black or hispanic.  It was because they didn't know you and automatically didn't like you.   

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:43 | 4053637 Meat Hammer
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Statistics are only as useful as the sanctimonious asshole misinterpreting them.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:03 | 4053755 viator
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Marxist turd

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:06 | 4053757 lakecity55
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hahhaha, that was a pretty good joke of a post.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:58 | 4053952 El Tuco
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I miss Travis777....

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:43 | 4054203 Pure Evil
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Don't worry, he just morphed into James_Cole.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 22:00 | 4054657 tip e. canoe
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not even close

don't worry he'll be back

(along w/ RoboTrader)

once the




Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:05 | 4054240 Wahooo
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I've heard there are some nice places in inner city Detroit. Since you live in the inner city, let us know. don't live in the inner city?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:52 | 4053934 CheapBastard
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Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are: FORBES


"A growing consensus of IT experts, outside and inside the government, have figured out a principal reason why the website for Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchange is crashing. forces you to create an account and enter detailed personal information before you can start shopping. This, in turn, creates a massive traffic bottleneck, as the government verifies your information and decides whether or not you’re eligible for subsidies. HHS bureaucrats knew this would make the website run more slowly. But they were more afraid that letting people see the underlying cost of Obamacare’s insurance plans would scare people away."

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:46 | 4054063 GeezerGeek
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Those web pages may also be malfunctioning because of absolutely crappy Javascript. I read a blog by someone who took the time to examine several functions in the actual scripting code. One did a sequential search looking for a state, but apparently ended after examining the 50th entry when, with DC added, there are 51 entries in the list of states. Another just took a simple basic function and embedded it in much more code. I haven't bothered looking myself, but it looks like they just hired a bunch of people from ACORN to write the code. So: was it incompetence, malevolence, or (more likely) both.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:30 | 4053570 CH1
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Careful, the truth is now a hate crime.

Well, the truth is what it is (and screw the PC thugs), but the 30% of blacks NOT on EBT deserve better than an automatic assumption based on their skin color.

Because two are, doesn't mean that the third is.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:39 | 4053623 TheMeatTrapper
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Perhaps the 30% should hold the other 70% responsible for their actions rather than playing the victim.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:44 | 4053660 Meat Hammer
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+1000, Trapper! One of my childhood friends is a brotha and he's smart enough to realize that the blame for his being scrutinized the entire time he's shopping for jewelry for his wife is because of his fellow blacks. He doesn't play the victim card, which is probably why he's very successful.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:32 | 4053867 SheepHerder
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As if any of the races are solely responsible for what other people in their race do.  By that logic, only Catholics should be holding the priests who molest little boys responsible.  It's not up to the law or society to be outrated.  Only other Catholics.  That's stupid.  

And for what it's worth Google Dr. Ben Carson and Lt. Col. Allen West.  Read up on their ideology.  The whole 30% you mention are not clones of some mysterious, uniform ideology that you've contrived in your head.  Don't let Fox and MSNBC paint reality for you.  

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:44 | 4053915 TheMeatTrapper
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By that logic, only Catholics should be holding the priests who molest little boys responsible. 

They should not be the ONLY ones holding them responsible, but they should be leading the charge to clean up their Church. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:55 | 4054085 GeezerGeek
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When did Catholics become a race? I know what you mean, though.

Your mention of Carson and West (my congressman until the Republican establishment altered his district's lines to rid themselves of a black conservative - and it took questionable poll results to pull it off) will go unnoticed by the Republican establishment. They, along with Sowell, Walter Williams, Star Parker and others, will continue to be ignored by the RINO-leaning leaders of the party. The Republican establishment apparently exists primarily to prevent conservatives from being elected to anything. Actually winning against a Democrat is a secondary issue, which is why people like Lonegan in New Jersey receive nothing from the Republican establishment. Should blacks suddenly revert to voting overwhelmingly for Republicans, as they once did, people like Boehner and McConnell would be apoplectic. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:01 | 4054099 CH1
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Perhaps the 30% should hold the other 70% responsible for their actions

Ah, so they ARE guilty because people who look like them are bad - if not, they would have stopped them!

rather than playing the victim.

If you don't know blacks who don't play the victim, maybe you should broaden your circle. There are lots of them.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:56 | 4053709 CharlieMike
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Maybe not.  But everyone must be pre-judged.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:36 | 4054429 hairball48
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"Careful, the truth is now a hate crime."

You bet! More than most people know

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:34 | 4054583 darkstar7646
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It is.

The fact is, if you don't want this to happen, you're down to one realistic option: Shoot First.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:38 | 4053301 TruthInSunshine
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And 1 in 5.5 Americans with a job works for either a federal, state or local municipal unit of BIG-GOV.ORG - NOT including enlisted military personnel or government contractors.

That ratio in proper banana republics is closer to 1:3, so we're getting there.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:52 | 4053938 MachoMan
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If you factor in pseudo government departments, tax exempt charities, and those who perform work in the private sector, but rely upon reimbursements from the government (either directly selling to uncle sam or selling to a dependent of uncle sam) and we're probably there...  maybe even worse than 1:3.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:28 | 4054411 hairball48
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:41 | 4053304 nope-1004
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USA "strong dollar policy".  LMFAO!!!


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:46 | 4053334 akak
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You misunderstand --- the stength of the US dollar lies not in its purchasing power (which is at all times decreasing, and in increasing danger of outright collapsing), but in its powerful stench of decomposition.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:41 | 4053315 Dr. Engali
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70% of African Americans on food stamps. They have been going nowhere except backwards for the past five years and yet 95% will still support the asshole in office no matter what he does.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:09 | 4053440 TheMeatTrapper
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In their minds, they are going forward - not backwards. More free stuff = progress in the right direction. Having their benefits cut and having to work would be going backwards.

They believe, since they had to work for free for white people 200 years ago, that they are now owed a free ride. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:31 | 4053579 Dr. Engali
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That is a valid point. It appears that Obama is giving them the reparations that they demanded.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:49 | 4053675 ronaldawg
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Free chicken and ribs are a powerful pull. I probably wouldn't get out of bed if I got free shit.

Oh I forgot - no free shit for me. I'm WHITE.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:41 | 4053889 ParkAveFlasher
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Don't take it all out on Average Black.  His ass don't vote


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4054228 dark pools of soros
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funny how everyone here blames blacks/poor for the free shit circus when they are just the disposable straw that big corps suck your printed future tax dollars through


follow the money - that walmart knew full well what kind of blame game balance sheet gymnastics it can do from this mess..   never let a crisis go to waste





Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:37 | 4054313 NidStyles
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No free shit for me either, I'm Asian...

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:50 | 4053686 it aint easy
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EBT = reparations?

Never thought about it like that, but maybe that's the justification?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:26 | 4053858 TheMeatTrapper
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EBT = reparations?

Never thought about it like that, but maybe that's the justification?


That is their rationalization. The problem is that the logic is contagious and corrosive. It spawns a "they are getting away with it - why not me?" response in other segments of society. It results in a huge segment of society losing their values, regardless of the color of their skin. 

After all, if the poor are gaming the system, the government workers are gaming the system, the rich bankers are gaming the system - why shouldn't I? 

You end up with a country that has lost it's values, its work ethic and its very survivability. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:57 | 4053951 MachoMan
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The irony is that accepting these "reparations" is accepting the shackles of slavery...  The entire purpose of the social safety net is to create generations of dependents.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:33 | 4053588 CH1
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They believe....

Again, "they" is some of them, not every all of them. Precision here is warranted.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:51 | 4053693 it aint easy
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True, but a 70/30 ratio isn't exactly some..

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:02 | 4054112 CH1
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Right. It's two of three, more or less. Nasty numbers, but that third guy counts.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:39 | 4054316 NidStyles
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Agree with your sentiment, but in a Democracy that third guy doesn't mean shit.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:01 | 4054359 Dasa Slooofoot
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that third guy is working for .gov anyways. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:42 | 4053634 Agent P
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Teach a man to fish, and he'll never go hungry.  Give a man a fish, and tomorrow he'll expect you to pay for his fishsticks, his rent, his cell phone.....

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:04 | 4053746 lakecity55
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Teach a negro to fish and he will come back, shiv you, and steal your fishing gear.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:02 | 4054104 GeezerGeek
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Teach a Californian to fish and he'll die of radiation poisoning. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 19:52 | 4054338 NidStyles
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Qucik we need to start sending them fishing poles...

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:09 | 4053455 TruthInSunshine
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And Biden said that the other "side" (in the false left-right paradigm) wanted to "put [blacks] up in CHAINS!"

Cornel West Calls Sharpton “House Negro Of The Obama Plantation":

“Brother Martin himself, I think, would’ve been turning over in his grave,” West said of the event. “[King would have wanted] people to talk about Wall Street criminality, he wants people to talk about war crimes, or drones dropping bombs on innocent people,” he asserted.

“Instead,” he lamented, “we saw the coronation of the bonafide house negro of the Barack Obama plantation, our dear brother Al Sharpton.” West went further declaring that Sharpton’s decline was “supported by [MSNBC analyst] Michael Dyson and others who’ve prostituted themselves in a very ugly and vicious way.”

West and Tavis Smiley both lamented that black leadership has become “so sold-out” so as not to have the courage to be a “bull in the china shop,” break rank, and talk about “racism, poverty, and militarism” at an otherwise “bought-out” event.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:20 | 4053823 10mm
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Biden is from Scranton.Most Scranton people I know do NOT agree with hair plug mans opinion.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:04 | 4054119 GeezerGeek
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Blacks can legitimately attack Obama, as long as they do it from the Progressive/Fascist side of the spectrum. Blacks who attack Obama from the libertarian/conservative side are racists and Uncle Toms, pure and simple.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:11 | 4053463 TruthInSunshine
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:20 | 4053516 RafterManFMJ
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I, for one, do not believe the claim presented in The Bell Curve and other sources that the average IQ for a Black American is 85; nor do I believe blacks are racist and tribal. Furthermore, every city or nation where Blacks take majority power ascends to the closest simulacrum of Heaven on Earth you will see in your lifetime.

The fact that Blacks continue to support Obama (peace be upon him) and the Democratic Party is proof positive of a wisdom that the lesser races cannot possibly fathom.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:32 | 4053602 CH1
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That was neither funny or helpful.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:17 | 4054151 RafterManFMJ
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Odd metrics, those, especially for a denizen of the 'hedge; not funny and perhaps not helpful, but was it accurate and truthful?

What matters to me isn't what you think, but how your gutless mendacity allows the fleecing of me and mine to assuage your guilt.

You can ignore reality, but as A Rand said, you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

So, again, was it true and accurate?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:16 | 4053801 dizzzave
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I don't know where you get your math, but its not correct.

The oft trumpeted statistic for foodstamps is 47 million recipients. Of that, 43% are white, 33% are black, 19% are hispanic.

33% of 47 million is 15.5 million.

US population stats put black population at roughly 39 million. 15.5/39 ~ 40%

For whites;

43% of 47 million is 20.2 million, white population is roughly 223 million. 20.2/223 ~9%

The situation isn't good by any stretch, but its important to be accurate.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:16 | 4053802 dizzzave
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I don't know where you get your math, but its not correct.

The oft trumpeted statistic for foodstamps is 47 million recipients. Of that, 43% are white, 33% are black, 19% are hispanic.

33% of 47 million is 15.5 million.

US population stats put black population at roughly 39 million. 15.5/39 ~ 40%

For whites;

43% of 47 million is 20.2 million, white population is roughly 223 million. 20.2/223 ~9%

The situation isn't good by any stretch, but its important to be accurate.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:14 | 4053803 dizzzave
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I don't know where you get your math, but its not correct.

The oft trumpeted statistic for foodstamps is 47 million recipients. Of that, 43% are white, 33% are black, 19% are hispanic.

33% of 47 million is 15.5 million.

US population stats put black population at roughly 39 million. 15.5/39 ~ 40%

For whites;

43% of 47 million is 20.2 million, white population is roughly 223 million. 20.2/223 ~9%

The situation isn't good by any stretch, but its important to be accurate.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:05 | 4053971 buyingsterling
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Got it the first time

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 18:07 | 4054127 GeezerGeek
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Good for you. I had to read it three times to get his point.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:44 | 4055606 dizzzave
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I don't know how to delete extra comments or I would.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:00 | 4054358 uno
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this is the number that is astounding, back in 2009 (it only got worse since for all children)

Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:52 | 4054079 BeetleBailey
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Fuckin 100% correct. Blacks in the USA have had ZERO leaders, and a bankrupt culture for decades. ALWAYS following the wrong ones.....always.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:00 | 4053956 unclebill
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Black?....Did you say Black???.....

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:09 | 4053979 DYS
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According to demographic data, 43% of SNAP participants are white, 33% are African-American, 19% are Hispanic, 2% are Asian, and 2% are Native American.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:42 | 4053312 robertocarlos
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What did you write HH? The article won't load past your comment.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:50 | 4053346 hedgeless_horseman
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Facts mixed with sarcasm.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:20 | 4053532 Blano
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My IE did that too, but all is fine with Google Chrome.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:11 | 4053783 superflex
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I hear Netscape Navigator is also a bitchin browser.


Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:33 | 4053595 ronaldawg
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Give them horsefeed.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:44 | 4053644 hedgeless_horseman
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I had rolled oats for breakfast twice last week. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 21:18 | 4054548 Cloud9.5
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Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:42 | 4053647 Dangertime
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Hmmm, I can't seem to scroll the comments.  Often they are the best part.  This is awful.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:50 | 4053668 Agent P
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Internet Explorer and ZH go together like Obama and prosperity.  Try Google's free, with or without EBT.  

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:03 | 4054363 Professorlocknload
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  Gotta ask myself, would I invest in a company that believes it's just human nature to steal, therefor OK? By that logic, I suppose the management would tweak the books on share holders as well.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:27 | 4053231 HelluvaEngineer
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Or, start small 1 mo, 3 mos, with the stuff you already eat.  This will cover 95% of most crisis events.

I recently started listening to Jack Spirko (who's apparently been doing this for years), and he's very practical and has a great attitude.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:36 | 4053279 HoofHearted
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Just make sure to cycle the cans, eating the stuff closer to expiration and keeping the newer stuff for later. No reason to waste, yet many Americans can't figure this shit out.

We've got three months stored for a family our size, but we've got cows and chickens, deer in the woods, a garden, and an orchard. We'll likely make it through, but it will be very unpleasant. The problem is I may need another family to come and help me keep watch. We've got room but not the food stored for them. So I've got to get with it.

Now where can I get an EBT card to make that happen???

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:41 | 4053305 Totentänzerlied
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Unless you're canning it yourself in oldschool unlined tin cans, you're ingesting an awful lot of BPA. Caveat emptor.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:43 | 4053327 akak
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Virtually nobody 'cans' at home in actual metal cans (at least in the USA), essentially all such canning using glass jars with two-piece metal lids instead.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:39 | 4053636 quasimodo
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That reminds me akak, time to can some more meat! Damn I love the stuff, and makes great gifts for folks every now and then.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:11 | 4053782 Calmyourself
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What type of meat do you can?

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 17:37 | 4054042 Flagit
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get friendly with your smoker. smoked meat is easier to preserve.

vacuum sealers are inexpensive, but require outside materials such as bags, electricity, special vacuum sealed lids if you are using containers.

but  yea, i see no reason you cant "can" (glass) smoked meats.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 20:11 | 4054378 Professorlocknload
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  Wife took a local course in canning fish. Did a batch of Albacore. Turned out great. Cheapest fish money can buy if one is located near a tuna fishing port. $1.50 a pound off the boat from the right skipper.

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 15:13 | 4061788 Calmyourself
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Thanks guys

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 14:54 | 4053386 HelluvaEngineer
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I'd start with some 5 gallon buckets, gamma seal lids, mylar bags + oxy absorbers, and just store some cheap stuff like rice, beans, and pasta.  Get some gravy in glass jars and seasonings.  Not very expensive.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:06 | 4053420 El Vaquero
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And if you live where you have a little room, get some seeds for corn, beans, squash and various peppers and learn how to grow them.  If you nixtamalize the corn, those four things will provide the basis for decent nutrition.  If you have a lot of room to grow stuff, look into landrace farming. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 15:21 | 4053504 TheMeatTrapper
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Store what you eat - not what is cheap. Cheap food that you don't know how to prepare or how to make taste good is a false security blanket. Lentile are a protein by themselves and are easy to cook. 

Here's a podcast I did several years ago concerning the "beans and rice" preppers: 

Menu fatigue is real - especially in times of stress. Good, wholesome, good tasting, visually appealing food is worth a LOT. A crisis is no time to live off substandard food. I've lived through several hurricanes. At times, a good meal at the end of the day is all you have to look forward to. A long, hot, hard, miserable day is bad enough - having nothing but beans and rice to look forward to sucks. 

Here's a short video of a six year food storage check, and the differences between various packing methods. Video was shot on Jan 1, 2013 and food opened was packed in 2008.

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:04 | 4053745 El Vaquero
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If we were to have a truly SHTF scenario, you will obviously need enough food to get by for a while, but you had better know how to grow and store what you eat.  If you like meat, you had better learn how to preserve it after it has been butchered.  You might want to learn how to kill and butcher it while you're at it too.  Our agricultural system is completely fucking insane, and it wouldn't take a very long shutdown of said system for it to be near impossible to get running again.  We raise chickens in the US, ship them to China for processing, then ship them back here so that the people of Wallyworld may get even fatter.  Our food system is interdependent on all sorts of bullshit.  If you want a real eye-opener, there was a study done something like 5 or 10 years ago on the supply chain interactions on some Sweedish Ketchup that is floating around the web. 

Mon, 10/14/2013 - 16:33 | 4053866 TheMeatTrapper
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If you like meat, you had better learn how to preserve it after it has been butchered.  You might want to learn how to kill and butcher it while you're at it too. 

I agree 100%. I can store wheat for 30 years - meat not so much!

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