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Foodstamp Program Shutdown Imminent?
When over the weekend, a Xerox "glitch" shut down the EBT system, better known as foodstamps, for nearly the entire day across 17 states leaving millions without "funding" to pay for food leading to dramatic examples of the basest human behavior possible, some of the more conspiratorial elements saw this merely as a dress rehearsal for what may be coming in the immediate future. While there was no basis to believe that is the case, a USDA (the currently shuttered agency that administers the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) memo obtained by the Crossroads Urban Center in Utah carries in it a very disturbing warning for the 46+ million Americans currently on foodstamps.
To wit: "understanding the operational issues and constraints that States face, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing States to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to State electronic benefit transfer (EBT) vendors until further notice." In other words, as Fox13News summarizes, "States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice."
The full memo first posted on the Crossroads Facebook page is shown below:
More on this dramatic development which, if implemented, would will result in significant unpredictable outcomes across the nation:
“This is going to create a huge hardship for the people we serve here in our food pantry,” says Bill Tibbits who is the Associate Director at Crossroads Urban Center.
They posted a letter from the USDA on its Facebook page. It says in part, “in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing states to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to state electronic benefit transfer vendors until further notice.”
“What this means if there’s not a deal, if Congress doesn’t reach a deal to get federal government back up and running, in Utah about 100,000 families won’t get food stamp benefit,” says Tibbits.
In other words, tens of thousands of Utah families may not be able to feed their children come November.
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“People out here are going to go without food,” says Loralee Smith whose been homeless since August and says the uncertainty is making her uneasy about where her next meal will come from. “I’m on food stamps, I don’t know if I’m going to get them, a lot of people are on food stamps and they don’t know if they’re going to get them.”
Others say if SNAP shuts down, they’ll find a way to feed themselves.
One hopes such "alternative" feeding arrangements will be peaceful, although in the most heavily armed nation in the world, and arguably the one where a massive portion of the population is now fully reliant on the welfare state for virtually every daily need, it is easy to see cutting off daily bread to tens of millions has a less than happy ending.
As the report notes, for people out on the streets like Richard Phillips, "It could impact us and it’s going to cause problems because you’re going to come to find out that people are going to steal and do what they have to do to survive."
Such a realization could come as a very unpleasant wake up call for the millions of other Americans who still live in their Ivory Towers, focusing on the daily gyrations of the S&P500, and largely oblivious of how the rest of America lives.
The full report on what may be the most catalytic event in the history of the US welfare state is presented below.
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Yep, Obama needs a great excuse to declare martial law...
Because then he can do whatever he wants!
Can you say El Presidente for Life?
Not a chance! The 2 term limit may very well be repealed, but it won't be the '0' in the comfy chair, long term. Too many old, rich Skull 'n' Bones white guys around the government to put up with that useless tool for very long. Once his utility as fall guy is past, he'll be out the door.
I believe there's some rule that the Vice President takes over if the sitting President is somehow rendered unable to serve, no? So watch for exactly who that ends up being, cos even from 3000 miles away, I have my doubts that the current VP is bright enough to piss his pants if his pubes were on fire.
It is OK. Brad Pitt will fly to Asia, then Israel, then Scotland and fix it all.
Oh my LAWD!
No more soup for you! -Seinfeld
For year!
I think the states are just being told they don't have to provide the files and information for SNAP.
In other words, the USDA is "doing a WalMart", not cutting off SNAP funds.
Go ahead, end SNAP if you are ready to institute martial law.
I read it as "Don't send the files to JPM telling them who to pay and how much to pay them- because they FED .gov doesn't know at this point how much it is going to reimburse the state .gov..."
ref "EBT vendor" pp3
Yeah I agree. They are saying to hold off until further notice. It this is delayed to even the 2nd or 3rd things will explode.
Go ahead, end SNAP if you are ready to institute martial law.
Be careful what you ask for.
Bring it. People will become self sufficient and obviate the need for big brother. Blowback is a bitch.
Blowback likely to be a blowtorch!
Maybe Obama won't have to negotiate after all. The Free Shit Army threat is real.
tea partiers rejoice! no food for the poor!
Let me fix your post.
Working taxpayers rejoice by encouraging the poor to get back to work!
what's crazy to me is that most of your are a bunch of bible thumpers.
What would Jesus do?
Teach them to fish I suppose...
"get back to work" lol. because there are so many jobs out there, everyone who is poor is only poor because they are lazy, right? moron.
Most of the people receiving food stamps are working, and much longer hours than the "productive" types who like to cast aspersions.
You should talk to your hero oBUMMER about it.
The problem is charity will never be enough for the entitled. No one is against helping someone who needs it but to help people who feel entitled is a different matter. Ask all the immigrants who came here with nothing if they got an Obama phone and a snap card? The majority of folks collecting these benefits are 5th or 6th generation Americans. If you can't dig yourself out of a hole in 6 generations then there is something wrong with you.
Agreed, 5 or 6 generations is enough. But who is entitled? Are oil companies entitled to subsidies? Are Politicians entitled to their bribes/campaign contributions? Are other countries entitled to foreign aid while our own people starve? Why are the working poor (who are the majority of food stamp recepients) always the punching bag?
Put simply, it's becasue the Tea Party are like the dumb agreesive kid in the schoolyard who can be convinced of anything and used by the smarter kids to their own ends. And there's just enough of these morons to gum up the works and to the bidding of their corportate backers, whether they realizeit or not.
@BKbroiler Thanks for that, you're on the right track. US oil subsidy; US sugar subsidy; US tobacco subsidy; US cotton subsidy; US wheat subsidy; US corn subsidy; US natural gas subsidy; US fishing subsidy etc etc it all adds up to billions and billions each and every year. And for what?
US hedge funds - taxes? US corporations - taxes? Tax havens: Delaware, last time I looked Delaware isn't in Switzerland...
The relative pittance spent on food stamps pales in comparison with all above-mentioned "welfare".
Put the guns away unless you're really willing to use them (I don't mean you BKbroiler) and I seriously doubt any ZHer would shoot a guy in a suit with a briefcase in his right hand climbing out of a limo - point blank - and you all know this so why the fuck pretend otherwise?
You and BK above have either of you actually spoken to some one who espouses tea party ideals.. Ideals that recognize no value in subsidies to corporations which act to twist and subvert free Capitalism.. Too many on this board have drunk the ( I hate the tea party because: insert begeyman line from the msm) Knuckleheads..
The TEA party is the only responsible party left. Demoncrats and Rupuklicans are different sides of the same coin, BIG PROGRESSIVE CENTRALLY PLANNED STATISTS!!!!
You asked what Jesus would do and I told you what he already did. In return you insult me peronally as you have no logical retort so for that that I call you maggot. If you had asked what I would do then you would likely have gotten a very different answer.
Winston of Oceania, the problem with that metaphor about fishing is that the real result would be to wipe out all the fish, which are already being wiped out quite seriously!
All of these problems trace back to the fundamental problem that there is never any way to keep exponential growth going forever, and that the impossibility of doing that mainifests faster and more obviously, the closer to the real limits that exponential growth gets!
All of human history, and certainly American history during the past five Centuries, has been about how more exponential growth was always possible ... NOTHING prepared us for what happens after that exponential growth requires another DOUBLING, which has become impossible, when those limit hit hard and fast, at an exponentially accelerating rate.
Nothing the government does ever prepares for that, other than preparing to impose democidal martial law. There is absolutely no way that the vast majority of contemporary human beings who have evolved to live inside of exponentially growing Neolithic Civilizations are able to have any sane public debates about how to stop themselves ... Their only "solutions" are insane mass murders.
He would be flipping over tables of the money changers, teaching, healing, and most importantly praying for you.
This TEA Partier is happy to give them food. As long as it is laced with birth control. We seem to be the only people that care enough to help them achieve a successful and happy life. Wish you did.
Birth control? whatanoptimist!
I'm thinking just the consequences of their own decisions would be enough if we would just let it play out w/o interference.
Forced sterilization seems a bit Sanger-ish to me.
This is nothing more than fearmongering. The welfare state will slog on a little bit longer at least.
Here's a great idea, let's rely on somebody else to buy us food. America would be the best place on the planet if every American had some other American pay for their food.
Relying on the government is great until you realize that the government is you.
I can't wait to see the fighting over prime begging spots at the major intersections. Go long cardboard and sharpees.
If true, that's a clear sell signal for Walmart. On the other, that's playing with fire.
I can't see rioting in the streets being bullish for any stock.
KBR, ITT, NOC, RTN.
And those are just some of the public companies it would benefit, not to mention the private ones.
On another note, San Diego adds another Ex-Mayor with a felony conviction:
Former San Diego Mayor Bob Filner pleaded guilty Tuesday in a San Diego court to felony false imprisonment and two misdemeanor battery charges against a total of three women. Filner entered the pleas as a part of an agreement with prosecutors. The felony charge accuses Filner of "false imprisonment by violence, fraud, menace and deceit."
Guesses on how long it will take to expunge this record?
And yet another felony conviction for a member of mayors against illegal guns, too.
about 5 gold eagles long.
Mormon persecution complex.
BTW, look at the states that have the most SNAP recipients by percentage of population.
Hint: They're in the South.
That's 'directionist' or 'regionalists' - anyway - look at the numbers in the cities vs the open country....pointless nit.
the oblowme administration was giving bonuses to the states that signed the most people up....oregon"won"5mil.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/09/state-gets-5-mil-bonus-for-foo...
What is the racial distribution of the SNAP recipients?
Similar to unemployment distribution?
South has highest percentage of black and hispanic population.
Hint, they're predominantly Democratic districts. Not many niggers in Minnesota last time I checked.
Pu-leeez
The fastest way to have rioting and mayhem in 10,000 cities is to inactivate these cards.
That will be the last thing stopped.
RE; The fastest way to have rioting and mayhem in 10,000 cities is to inactivate these cards.
Unless of course that is the end result one is looking for.
Do not assume that all wish well for the U.S.
Especially Geo Soros & Barry Soetoro. Their time is short, just like Lucifer's.
Lucifer is the light bringer...
While Satan is the great deceiver...
And me, I just like to pee on top of little kids heads.
Various opinions as to what constitutes "light".
Satan disguised as the angel of light is one of the warnings.
All those Illuminati that worship Lucifer bring only darkness.
But of course. We now get to see the climax of Cloward-Piven.
Bath House has spent 6 years killing off anything productive he could find.
Then he got huge increases in govt-dependent food, etc programs.
Now, he pulls out the rug!
Dictastor time!
Did not everyone not see this all along? It was obvious.
Then, we get to swear a 'special oath' to the Fuhrer in order to pick up some beans at the warehouses, formerly wal-marts.
Yes, it was rather obvious. Tough to put up with those that still pull for the red team even as they run interference for the blue team. Sorry sacs, survival odds are not high.
Would be a clever tactic. Get the free shit army to riot. Call in the troops. Enact the "temporary" measures.
In sum, not letting a crisis go to waste.
Well played. Well played.
I think that is precisely the (unspoken) plan. And I don't even wear a tin foil hat.
They've been building an army for decades now. While I have a hard time believing the welfare state could die so quickly I see how this can be enticing to say the least if you want to enact martial law, or something similar to control the hungry rapid-dog that appears to be dubbed the Free Shit Army (FSA.)
Blame the lack of benefits on middle class tax payers that "don't want to pay for the free shit you've been getting", civil war, popcorn, etc...
"Angry dog don't care what it bite so long as it bleed." (can't remember where I heard someone say this, but I think it applies here.)
They would never give a warning..
Unless the purpose is political blackmail.
Bankers to congress and Totus: give us what we want or the food stamp program gets it.
Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are always yammering about how they're going to give all their money away, maybe they should put their fucking money where their mouth is and jump in and help. HA Not like their money would even cover the program for a few months.
Gates' contributions all go toward population reduction. Eliminating food assistance would be something he'd favor.
Just part of the script. Repubs aren't going to cut off the welfare state and Dems aren't going to cut off the MIC. The show must go on. Makes for a good headline though, for the people who still believe there is a two Party system.
Exactly. This has been Kubuki theatre all along to stoke up anger/anxiety/divide and conquer further although what is actually the end game here is not entirely clear. Definitely some confusing smokescreens being sent, tho.
that spells "overtime" for police
Could spell 'overtime' for all of us. "I'll take the first shift, honey; you watch the cupboard after that."
I might consider going to walmart under these conditions. A nice peaceful shopping experience for once?
Do any of "those people" even live in Utah?
This is almost too ignorant to believe:
OF COURSE there are poor and ignorant people (not always the same) in Utah. Crossroads does good work helping those who either temporarily or chronically find themselves unable to feed themselves. But what most folks fail to know is that the LDS church has brought large numbers of every race and nation to Utah, many here to SLC. We have more Tongans (persons of Tongan descent) than now live in Tonga, more Fijians than Fiji; an amazing array of humanity in every color, size and character live here. Not all of them have assimilated successfully, some are recent immigrants, some simply everyday folks down on their luck for a bit, frequently with children. Crossroads feeds them all.
If you are really compassionate, whether conservative or not, you cannot help but pity some of "those people" as you run across them. We have homeless shelters near capacity, drug treatment centers (meth is bad here), mental health programs suffering cutbacks just like everyone else. If you are going to say "cut back on the size of government" then you MUST be willing to help the truly needy - as you encourage the UNTRULY "needy" to stand on their own feet.
Utah really is no different these days from any other state - although, perhaps, a TRACE better run. We struck a deal for the state to fund the personnel to keep the parks open, so that tourist dollars can continue to arrive (and folks who spent months planning vacations can still take them as and where they wish). Is NY / CA / IL doing the same?
Why do I have to "help" a meth head - and who decides what helping a meth head is? You? Are you qualified to stand in judgement of me?
You invited these people into your State, I suggest YOU bear the consequences of your decisions and shoulder your responsibility rather that transferring the responsibility of your decisons to me.
I am not even suggesting that YOU do anything. If you find it in your heart or head to try and get people off drug addiction, then help. If not, not.
I invited no one into this state. They fell into drug addiction themselves, whether from foolishness, lack of discipline, ignorance or whatever. If stupidity is to be a death sentence (slow squirrels become fox dinners), then they are doomed. If there are those who choose to attempt to reverse behavior and restore drug addicts to decent standing (and I have seen it happen), then let them make the attempt as they wish.
I am not a statist. I see a possibility that surpluses and resources might be used to rescue the addicted from depravity and death, resulting in a savings in law enforcement, crime prevention and crime consequences. If you do not, fine.
YOU are not really at issue here, unless you are a meth head (and if so, you have my pity). Crossroads does what it does, largely with private resources I understand. If they coordinate and use state resources as well, then as long as they are accountable and competent, let them do so - as long as those resources are available.
And am I qualified to stand in judgement of you? Qualified or not, I do stand in judgement of everyone, just as they do of me - every time they or I pull out a wallet, pay taxes, or take any other interactive action. Your neighbors stand in judgement every day, when they choose not to call a policeman to arrest you for your behavior, or take direct action themselves. So do you, whether you realize it or not, every time you decide your neighbors are not a threat and neglect to call or act yourself.
"Judge not, lest ye be judged"? Hardly - judge constantly, quickly, and fairly, to prolong your days (and your childrens' and neighbors') upon this earth. Otherwise, those who lack judgement will choose for you.
Don't buy anything online or over the phone from Utah. Scam capital of the world. Mormons are nice people but a lot are ethically challenged in business. They have an astronomical fraud industry in the state and the AG does almost nothing. Avoid.
The EBT 'glitch' was nothing more than a dry run to see what would happen. Get ready for full blown food stamp crash.
Next will be no Border Agents, then the air traffic controllers, some domestic military bases closed, but Camp David and the golf course will be up and running for sure. Thats essential.
Oh and the turkey gets the axe this year. No money for Presidential Pardons you see....let alone for turkey retirement benefits.
Are the Wall Street foodstamp programs (aka QEx, TARP, ZIRP et al) going to be suspended too?
yeah they should crash that first
Nah, thats essential. Food just isn't that important.
no...........bankers and tankers bitchez....
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Publicly, US officials say there are no US military bases in Italy. They insist that our garrisons, with all their infrastructure, equipment, and weaponry, are simply guests on what officially remain "Italian" bases designated for NATO use. Of course, everyone knows that this is largely a legal nicety. ''
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+1 for pointing out the true "welfare queens."
Between SNAP and O-NO! Care, there is enough personal info there to make the NSA jealous....
No. But JPM will pocket the money slated for dispersal.
Latin America in the 1980's seems to be here locally in 2010's.
This is going to be worse, much worse.
UTAH?
Hungry to bed and hungry to rise makes the man angry, homicidal, and uprise. Dawn of the hungry is about to begin...
Stay hungry, my friend.
Just remember how Obama was running ads to go on food stamps a year ago. Now he is telling everyone to eat cake.
Or we can just cut military spending , close bases, stop the billion in military contracts...cannot permit that now can we?
You could zero out the defense budget, and you'd still be running a deficit. Its the entitlements and welfare!
Cut defense in half, abolish DHS, and raise corporate taxes back to 1980 levels. Ouila, no deficit.
Correct! Except for interest on nat'l debt and entitlements, everything else is deficit spending. Those 2 things take every cent on the 2.7 T in tax revenue.
i believe it's more goldman sachs and jp morgan than entitlements and welfare.
The cut military personnel would have to go on food stamps. We'll have to pay one way or another.
And forget cutting defense spending if you decide to slash entitlements -- you may well need every troop you can get...
Something I hadn't really thought about before -- what if this is a trial run at a real meltdown that is coming down the Pike in the not too distant future? The 24 hour EBT flu bug sure seemed like a trial run. Maybe it's not a trial run for the debt ceiling, but for something bigger.
Better Prep folks. We could be just one minute away from midnight....
Semper Fi
Look at the quotes, "If I don't get money from the government, I can't feed my family." Look at the dependence on government do-gooder liberal welfare programs have created. They are slaves to the government. Their liberty is gone.
Have some pride, for gods sake! Get up off your a$$, take charge of your life and provide for yourself!
i'm happy you are so "together."
Finally. Some good news in the headlines.
I agree, this makes my day. I am well prepared to fend off the free shit army and will enjoy doing so.
Everyone's going to flock subway shops to get their Jared on now
hunger games anyone?
So food prices will drop by 25% overnight .. ammo prices will triple.
Long subway and Taco Bell
Possibly the big M
Hmm, the local WalMart is going to look a lot more like Port-au-Prince come November 1st.
So the fuckers are ready to crash the system.
Popcorn and beer....and shiny things....at the ready (which I paid for with my own money). Lets get it the fuck on!!
Thanksgiving? Eat cake, bitchez!
EBT .......is looking to become a rationing card.......
uoooppss...how did that happen?
Well I will be heading out of town on Nov 1st to go stay in the country for a few days!
Brinksmanship at it's finest, or worst staring contest ever.
The mongrels can feed upon themselves!!
WALKING DEAD WALMART EDITION.
no foodstamps, no obamacare, no obamaphones, no snap, no ss disability, no medicare Fraud, NO?
follow California raise min wage again and again, as they all leave in droves.
small biz: dial 1 800 not here, or corp hq is now Hong Kong, `10% tax rate....bye...
if it happens maybe we will finally know just how much the subsidy is for Walmart (China take note this could impact your GDP)
Keep it up and the states will cut the fed out and take care of their own people for 1/10 the cost. Some threat. Bring it on, bitchez.
Whoa could it actually happen? Cutting off food stamps would be the SHTF moment. Last weekend being the alpha test run, cutting off Louisiana and the very large, very impoverished, very 'criminal' black population just to see what would happen and how they would react. Cutting off utah next would be the beta test in a state that would be able to really weather the storm because of the Mormon church and how they prep. Then what? Cutting off food stamps nationwide results in angry, hungry, uneducated and very primal hordes anywhere and everywhere.
i think police paychecks bouncing is the SHTF moment
Why I find the "news" and especially the comments funny I'm not sure...
Lock and load people - it's Chimp Out time!
yet another political ploy to raise the debt limit, scare the seniors, make life "difficult" for all citizens, scare to welfare "hos'", what's next, a war?
"Oh, SNAP!!"
"SNAP is about to snap!"
I need some more SNAP lines, and make it snappy!
here's a freebie for ya..
SNAP TO IT!
is this the black swan that's been circling overhead for the last four years?
Yes, unexpected event to see black swans circling.
In reality, Black vultures circling ?
And if it happens, it will make the WalMart glitch look like a picnic in the park. How you gonna put 10,000 people in jail for stealing food right off the shelf in broad daylight? You wanna put me in jail? Fine, at least I can maybe get fed. If it was me, I'd walk right into Smith's, or Albertson's. or WalMart and start eating from the deli and right off the shelf and if they wanted to arrest me, then go ahead. There aren't enough cops in the state to even handle a small city. What a clusterfuck this has the potential for being.
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+11
You know what they do.....they threaten things like this so the people will get pissed off and start yelling and blaming. If you really think the chirade is going to go on until November than you should have your doctor increase your medication.
Btw, I would like to see someone ask people: "if you found yourself and your family alone on an island, what would you do"? I doubt you'd get one answer of "nothing, i'd just starve to death with my family".
So get people dependent and then just cut them off?
THAT is evil!
Bastards!
People better hang for this.
Still not willing to impeach this guy libs?
snap and ebt cards are the hiden soup lines. in the 30's you could see all the people begging and standing in lines. now it's all electric. kill the cards and it brings everything out in the open. they will never allow that.
Defunding the poor who are the most vulnerable is a despicable tactic. Unfortunately it will not be seen for what it actually is, a war crime - waging war against the population.
Food has been used as a weapon by the most evil regimes across history. If this actually occurs, we can add one more to the list.
Looks like prepping of the battlespace to me. Absolutely sick. I'll be interested to see where this goes.
They're gauging reactions and responses. Of course they'd do this during the month of Thanksgiving so that MSNBC et. al. will be more riled up than ever about Republican/Tea Party/White "stinginess" and not wanting to help "fellow" lazy/stupid/non-frugal Americans.
Yes, Bath House has been reading Stalin again.
mofo.
Hope And Change You Can Believe In... That's right get 47 million people on food stamps and another 90 million on some kind of other Government assistance and take it away. This will show them who's boss, It's all the beginning of martial law. Nobody could have seen this coming, LOL.
Blaming Bush lost traction, now it will be the Tea Party.
No, Bush still gets his share, forever.
I just sent the Woman an e-mail mentioned at the bottom of the letter to confirm or deny whether benefits will be cut off come November.
I'd bet her email is flooded but will let you all know if I get a response.
10:52 P.M. EST and no response yet.
Bet her email is absolutely overloaded.
And so the revolution begins ....
Wrong...the centrally planned civil war begins. Mark this post. They are pitting us against us. They don't want us identifying the real enemy.
+1000 Totally correct.It is also about the destruction of the United States...and the beginning of even more wealth for the super villains as well as more power in fewer hands.
The plan is an excellent one as most will spend their energy killing exactly those they should join with to rid us of the tyrants who are the real problem.
Divide and conquer...with concomitant massive loss of life.
Followed by a dictatorship so evil......
Fight the right ones is all I can say.
It sure as hell won't be easy.
God help us!
Far too early, they are not done robbing us yet.. If a centrally planned breakdown is true, we are all missing something, a clue as they would not stop the heist while it (the heist) remained tenable..
NWO Banksters wishing to destroy the United States.
Oh noes. Well I'm sure that Shoniqua, Lakiesha, Rosella-Maria, and plenty of obese White Trash in this country will have plenty enough calories already stored up to get by.
A human can survive 3 days without water, but 30 days without food. I look at this as a government sponsored diet and exercise program. At least if they're out looking for food they have to get off the couch.
some of these folks could definitely survive more than 30 days w/o food -
The short of this new (2010) research teaches us that while 3500 calories to lose a pound has always been the rule of thumb, this figure stems from research which (incorrectly) assumed that all the weight lost would be adipose tissue (which would be ideal, of course).
So, first of all, yes one pound of FAT = 3500 calories.
Here's where the caveat comes in. Because lean body mass is lost along with body fat, researchers now know the 3500 calorie figure is, for many, an oversimplification. The amount of lean body mass you will lose is based on your initial body fat level and size of your daily calorie deficit. Lean people tend to lose more lean body mass and retain more fat. Obese/overweight individuals tend to lose more body fat and retain more lean tissue (this explains why obese people can tolerate extremely low calorie diets better than already lean people, and why lean folks (close to their goal weights) have a devil of a time losing the last few pounds and need to be extra aware that they need to avoid an ultra low calorie approach to losing those pounds). Very aggressive low calorie diets erode lean body mass to a greater degree than more conservative diets. Whether you are losing lean or fat, tells you what is the required energy deficit per unit of weight loss is for you.
Funny. A healthy weight range for me (based on what I've determined and how I've felt in the past at my most fit, and when I was winning competitions) is around 145-148.
I got up to 159 a year ago and just looked and felt terrible (I can't imagine being around 200 or God forbid more than that). I'm down to 151-153 now and having a devil of a time losing that last little bit. Of course at no point have I tried a truly low-cal diet, but I have done portion control.
I think coffee is killing me, the amount I drink probably isn't healthy, even though I've halved the sugar and dairy I put in it. Coffee Water has no calories (but does have cholesterol which may be hurting my blood circulation).
Just bitching about my own (very mild) weight/health problems. I take care of myself. Getting a good bit of muscle back, so that's a positive. Keep your brains sharp though guys, that's your most important muscle. If you keep the rest of your body fit your brain will blossom.
Go Paleo for 30-90 days and after that your body will be a fat burning machine again...Do at least a 3 day Juice Fast once a month...I have found just these two practices have done wonders for my metabolism....Best Wishes & Good Health to You All
my mother lived 8 days without water.
And then what happened?
Let's MOVE!!!
Time to check the arsenal and oil the guillotine.
There would never be a warning in the bamster was goign to use the FSA, no way to blame it on the repubidiots. No this is not it, when the food is not deleivered to wally world that my friends and enemies is it..
Let them eat Vietnam era c-rations! I mean, cake!