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Foodstamp Program Shutdown Imminent?
When over the weekend, a Xerox "glitch" shut down the EBT system, better known as foodstamps, for nearly the entire day across 17 states leaving millions without "funding" to pay for food leading to dramatic examples of the basest human behavior possible, some of the more conspiratorial elements saw this merely as a dress rehearsal for what may be coming in the immediate future. While there was no basis to believe that is the case, a USDA (the currently shuttered agency that administers the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) memo obtained by the Crossroads Urban Center in Utah carries in it a very disturbing warning for the 46+ million Americans currently on foodstamps.
To wit: "understanding the operational issues and constraints that States face, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing States to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to State electronic benefit transfer (EBT) vendors until further notice." In other words, as Fox13News summarizes, "States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice."
The full memo first posted on the Crossroads Facebook page is shown below:
More on this dramatic development which, if implemented, would will result in significant unpredictable outcomes across the nation:
“This is going to create a huge hardship for the people we serve here in our food pantry,” says Bill Tibbits who is the Associate Director at Crossroads Urban Center.
They posted a letter from the USDA on its Facebook page. It says in part, “in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing states to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to state electronic benefit transfer vendors until further notice.”
“What this means if there’s not a deal, if Congress doesn’t reach a deal to get federal government back up and running, in Utah about 100,000 families won’t get food stamp benefit,” says Tibbits.
In other words, tens of thousands of Utah families may not be able to feed their children come November.
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“People out here are going to go without food,” says Loralee Smith whose been homeless since August and says the uncertainty is making her uneasy about where her next meal will come from. “I’m on food stamps, I don’t know if I’m going to get them, a lot of people are on food stamps and they don’t know if they’re going to get them.”
Others say if SNAP shuts down, they’ll find a way to feed themselves.
One hopes such "alternative" feeding arrangements will be peaceful, although in the most heavily armed nation in the world, and arguably the one where a massive portion of the population is now fully reliant on the welfare state for virtually every daily need, it is easy to see cutting off daily bread to tens of millions has a less than happy ending.
As the report notes, for people out on the streets like Richard Phillips, "It could impact us and it’s going to cause problems because you’re going to come to find out that people are going to steal and do what they have to do to survive."
Such a realization could come as a very unpleasant wake up call for the millions of other Americans who still live in their Ivory Towers, focusing on the daily gyrations of the S&P500, and largely oblivious of how the rest of America lives.
The full report on what may be the most catalytic event in the history of the US welfare state is presented below.
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Gotta drain the food banks before they take this guppy under!
It's such a shame that no one here really understands how the foodstamps program reallly works. Most -- if not all -- of the Americans on food stamps have jobs. Those jobs simply don't pay enough for them to put food on the table.
And cash assistance is a thing of the past. Bill Clinton ended it. Also, you can't get foodstamps indefinitely. It's not the open-ended thing that you think it is.
In short, anyone who thinks Americans are getting anything for free is sadly mistaken.
I'd urge people to do their due diligence and find out what the Welfare program actually offers. You'll find out that it's not much, and there are indeed requirements that applicants must meet to get it.
Remember, Clinton ended Welfare as we know it. So, instead of bashing poor people, you might want to focus your energy on the bankers who get corporate Welfare in the form of Federal Reserve loans through quantitative easing.
You are speaking from an informed, intellectual point of view...amerikans, including many on zh, prefer clear lines of distinction. This good, that bad...left, right, left, right, left, right....straight to hell.
About 99% of the people who derive profit from ZH do not post at all. It is true that a certain pathetic percentage of commenters have their axes to grind against a tiny portion of humanity (the portion including Jooboys, niggers, cunts, greedy jerks on SSA and EBT, entitled Millennials, foreigners and all people who live in California) but really, the vast majority of people here are just seeking the truth -- which they cannot derive from the mainstream media.
You say that, and i'd like to agree...but there is a lot of political gibberish posted here....and a lot of hoorays! for the military...
I have always wondered why it is the ultra-manly ultra-self sufficient more-intelligent-than-you foundation-of-civilization-itself types that have the most time to post here. There is a lot of projection going on, methinks. It can be very annoying at times but does not detract from the wealth of good information here. And of course the fact that williambanzai7 rules makes it all worthwhile.
This is my first post. I have been a long time lurker and not too long ago made an account. I would like to say that I am one of those people that just want somewhere to come and read about different peoples points of views that arn't biased and controlled by the regular media and popular message boards. I do not agree with a lot of the people that post here, but I have to say that if you are going to learn anything in life you have to listen to, and recognize points of view that are not your own and that you may well not agree with.
I would like to thank the tylers for keeping a site running that lets people share their views and provides articles that are worth having a think about. Even if sometimes they are mostly fear mongering, there is plenty to fear in this world. And I would rather engage my brain and decide what is right and what is wrong than be spoonfed the generic crap on TV and other media.
I would also like to say thank you to everyone for having some of the best knee slapping comments that cheer me up on some of the worst days. Be safe everyone! :)
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Yeah, 47 million people lined up toe to heel is a line 15,500 miles long. The line would actually be much longer because they are all too fat to stand heel to toe. I guess that does not "offer much".
"In short, anyone who thinks Americans are getting anything for free is sadly mistaken."
Don't remember anyone being forced to work to get EBT cards???
Listen, I am writing this slowly, so please read this slowly.
I have no problem paying taxes. Tax me at 20%. That translates to 1 day of a work week to pay tax. Make the people on welfare work a day to pay for their handout. Raise my taxes to 40% as long as the welfare people have to work 2 full days I am on board. That is shared sacrifice.
and what work would you have them do?
Who gives a shit? Anything. Sweep the sidewalk, plant flowers on the side of the road. Look, Im not asking to feel your tits, but show me a little love? Its not the work that matters, but knowing that they have some skin in the game.
You think that you're helping them but you're not. If you rely on someone else for food, you are slave. If you dont work, you are literally no value to society. Who wants to live like that? That is not life, that is just existance. If you want to help the poor, do something that gives their life meaning.
And lets stop with the bullshit statistics "most are workers". Lmao, okay. Most are "chil'ren, elderly, or disabled", yet also "most are workers"? Which the fuck is it?
true, our infrastructure is crumbling...there have to be projects all over the country people could work on...so why doesn't it happen?
BS. I have been in the grocery store and have seen illegals and O voters with a wad of bills to choke a horse using EBT cards.
Yesterday and friend was talking to a realtor. The woman calls about a house renting for $1800 a month. The woman asks if it is Section 8 approved. The realtor says yes. The woman arrives in a newish 5 Series BMW.
and were they smoking crack...where do you get to hang out with these low lifes...i never see the poor...what world do you live in?
The house across the street from me is about 11,000 sq ft as are the ones next to them or a somewhat smaller. My house is not that big. I have been in them and it is tiring just walking around those huge barns.
You still have to go shopping sometimes and people with EBT are now everywhere. The realtor story was from someone who knows a realtor. Obama is putting Section 8 housing everywhere.
Then why does the ATM at the corner store accept EBT cards to dispense cash??
You are wrong. Period.
Oh really? Exactly what work is required to be performed in order to receive food stamps? Do they have to pick up trash on the side of the road? Food stamps are FREE FOOD. Period.
Spare us your bleeding heart, factually wrong, lying bullshit.
Nobody is going to cut off EBT deliberately. These folks aren't that stupid
LOL,WANNA bet?.
You need to look at the END goal of this entire debacle.
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http://www.ksla.com/story/23679489/walmart-shelves-in-springhill-mansfie...
walmart to retrain greeters as security guards
The greeters are security guards. They put them on to discourage shoplifting. The greeting thing is just to make it look good.
I know it is no longer legal to judge others, but I'm a bit unsure about some of the decisions our Representatives seem to be making of late. For example, The proposed solution to the "SNAP" program looks questionable at best:
Said one White House correspondent, "When the SNAP and EBT system implodes, the FSA can rest assured as they will be issued new "Secure in Keeping Everyone Eating Today!" cards. This will allow them to place items on the card for free, and the limit is currently open-ended until we get back to work for them!".
A lifetime FSA member exclaimed, "Dese new S.K.E.E.T. cards be da BAWMB...We loves youz Big Daddy B.O.!"
AVOID CHAOS
PRINT MORE MONEY
BORROW MORE MONEY
PAY THE BORROWERS FIRST
PAY THE POOR LAST
USE DEADLY FORCE (see med. countries for lessons)
A handfull of lawmakers a making a stand against borrowing and printing.
Those lawmakers might soon find themselves shunned, if not worst, by the majority.
There are better ways to approach this whole problem than to take a hatchet to the budget. 30 Republicans blindly ripping away 20% of the budget are doing all of us a dis-service.
No. There are not any "better" ways to solve the problem, at least not REALISTIC ways. "They" have had DECADES to alleviate the problems instead of aggravating them. Cooperation, sensibility, or selflessness are about as realistic a solution as Trillion Dollar Coin.
Furthermore, what is going to happen, is going happen. -- regardless of what 30 members of either party in the House of Representatives may want to do.
let's see...we could cut our military budget by 80 - 90% and still be too weaponized...that could save some money....we could defund the NSA/CIA/DEA....that would save some more money...oh and we could get rid of federal subsidies to weaponize our local caps....next thing you know you have a couple of trillions extra dollards.
Does any of this mean my Obama phone is going to stop working?
God is the Obamaphone Lady going to be pissed...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
This reminds me back in 2008 when the banks demanded a bailout... or else.
Same things here. Free Shit Army will want their benefits... or else.
Everyone wants their piece of .gov whether it be rich or poor.
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Hank Shaw has some GREAT recipes. I hae learned a LOT from him.
The failure to reach a budget deal / debt agreement is intentional, to precipitate the collapse. It's a multilateral assault, and if Syria can't be invaded, we'll just invade ourselves. The end goal is the same, destruction of the citizenry... and I suspect the oligarchs know their divide and conquer philosophy works very well amongst the citizenry, each citizen loathing the next. I'm with the oligarchs on this one... with such distaste for each other, why bother preserving civilization... there's nothing civil or unified about it.
My suspicion is, the oligarchs and authorities won't have to kill us, we'll kill each other, to the joy of the overlords. They'll come in and sweep up the rest. Everyone to a FEMA camp.
Do any of you actually think the government will reduce spending / reduce your tax burden / improve conditions for you in any way because of the forced starvation of 46 million individuals?
This is the beginning of the great decline, and the pain is just beginning... banks failing, corporations closing, schools closing, hospitals closing, renters evicted, etc etc etc. No jobs, no food, no shelter. At least there's cannibalism. Wait for it. Zombie indeed.
And here I am, thinking that the great decline began when they took prayer out of schools.
I do not watch TV or Hollywood's crap. A relative invited me over to dinner and to watch the movie The Hunger Games. They pretty much nailed where we are heading.
Agreed. I don't watch a lot of TV or movies either, but I did catch Hunger Games on Amazon download. Many movies are like Cyprus... indicators of what is to come. They don't just come up with nonsense, the stuff all has messages and meanings. You nailed it, Hunger Games was to be an indicator of where civilization will be taken, as long as we're willing to fight against each other instead of the oligarchs.
Much of what comes out of Hollywood and TV is Operation Mockingbird. From that alphabet agency who worked on mind control including mind control with LSD.
This is why all these movies come out glorifying intel agencies, weaponized police (Swat etc), Anti-fracking (backs by ME oil countries), pro war & militarization, and the list goes on and on. The lib movies that bombed about the White House being attacked, etc etc. By crazies that might be Tea Party types, disgruntled vets, etc. Total trash.
Qu'ils mangent de la monnaie fiduciaire / Let them eat fiat money.
Two thoughts:
(1) This ought to get the shutdown over immediatley. While neither party cares about taxpayers both love the non-taxpayers; and
(2) Yeah, Utah. That's where the underclass will riot first.
with the FDA shutdown as well the food isn't safe to eat (contaminated recalled chicken being sold in stores) maybe this is for the best, and since you won't get sick you won't need OBAMACARE, so the insurance companies can pocket your premiums. maybe increased profits for insurance companies means more jobs? no just kidding. however dont worry your local grocery will have plenty of food and the prices will be lower, they have to move the inventory after all, just be careful that someone doesn't steal your groceries on the way to your car. (to recall that old story about Weimar Germany, when it took a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread, somebody stole my uncles wheelbarrow, and left the money)
You must have the FDA confused with the Department of Agriculture.
These fuckers don't have the balls to cut off food stamps. Pussies one and all.
Really? These are the same 'people' who have the balls to send our kids into meat grinders for profits...i think they'd be able to strave people to death with no misgivings...
They murdered 3,000+ citizens to get the war they wanted. They have character assinated and murdered countless whistle bloweres. They've sent good marines and soliders into combat to die needlessly. They have spend money to actively deny veterans the right to their own memorials. They have sent jackals and economic assissnes to ruin entire countires in South America.
Whats threating the poor with revoking their food? This isnt the first time this has happened in history, this is just the first they will get away with it without any protest.
Muddled.
They want riots in the streets. Hordes asking, "Where is MY fucking money?".
Sorry guys, but you are already in advanced stages of becoming not even a failed southern european, but a latin american country. It is common tactics over here.
I could see this coming. You do not shut down websites and put a notice "thanks to govt shutdown". It is extra work to shut down websites. It shows their intent. These people are radicals that want to see Rome in flames if government is cut even 10%. If it does not happen by itself, they will see to it.
Not much will change. Those fuckers will just have to get off their fucking asses to rob the producers instead of having the government doing it for them.
It is worse than a Latin American country. The military in a L.A. country would have had the guts to overthrow this shitshow a long time ago.
Oh I see, so the breakdown earlier this week was not a computer problem, they were practising turning it off to make the underclass riot.
Either that, or the breakdown was real, which then gave them the idea to turn the system off to make the underclass riot.
In either case the effect is the same, take away the scraps from the desperate people and see what happens.
Like everything done in DC this was what is typically called a "trial balloon". Just to see which way the winds blow in order to see what they can get away with or prepare for on a much larger scale at the hour of their choosing.
Can people eat Goldman Sachs?
Hey everyone they have plenty of food stored in freezers out in the Hamptons.
There are only so many recipes for vampire squid, though "boiled in its own ink" has a certain relish to it...
hmmm, lots of riots beget curfews beget martial law, beget further suspension of the constitution....for our own protection-----suspending a few billion in food support, just imagine how much more riotous the bankers would be if the suspeneded the $85billion in monthly bonus support!
Let 'er rip.
Let the level of dependency be exposed for all to see, full frontal.
DHS insider (Rosebud) called this shit awhile ago.Both sides are collaborating with shit thug from Chicago.
He wants the collapse
But,
but,
but, who will pay for my Cheetos?
:(
I'm getting short on Little Debbie's and all sugar waters.
The waltons never had it so good...
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/food_stamps/food_stamp_nation-S...
Well if the Globalists in Washington D.C. and on Wall Street light up the United States of America the Military Industrial Complex won't have to kill Arabs.
I would say 'arm yourselves' but those who would be inclined to do so, already have.
Thanks Horseless. I have a Mosberg equivalent.
The US government gets many, many billions of dollars each month in tax revenues. Many business pay their taxes very often, even small business pay taxes quarterly. There are other revenue streams. There is the Fed. There is plenty of cash flow to pay expenses and deal with debts and interest payments. Some programs might have to be cut. I suggest the extra help needed to Barrycade all the parks and monuments across the nation be first in line.
And it spends many many billions of dollars each month keeping the army going. "Expenses" total over 3 trillion a year, while "revenue streams" total less than 3 trillion a year. There's still an annual deficit of $800 billion a year. That's about $70 billion a month. Something will have to give. If we pay the debts and keep the army going, one of Social Security or Medicare will have to be cut to avoid further borrowing. Brought to you by House Republicans.
Moar Barry-mongering - oops, fear mongering.
Actually, same fucking thing.
Barry is one spiteful fucking pig!!!!
Actually if you see the episode on Charles Manson in the tv series "Most Evil", you will note the extreme similarity between Manson and Obama. They are not identical, to be sure, Manson was a psychopath and Obama has NPD out the ass, but those two disorders often present the same way and cause permanent damage to all those who are around them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Ina2OL6U When there is nobody outside of your skin, you do not care how badly you hurt others. Neither Obama nor Manson gave a crap about anyone but themselves.
bath house barry. what a piece of shit, huh?
The free stuff army is going to be upset. The Reid-McConnell talks just broke down.
planned. kabuki theatre continues. Default is planned. Also NOW being tested is debit card and atm's down. Meijer's had a sign in the front window. Cash was welcome though.
btw - I'm in a state where they did the ebt shutoff test run. I got to the store an hour later and there was only 1 bag of 20 pound rice left. The massive pb jars had also been quite depleted. You may not want to wait too long to stock up for the winter. Many will (and do) have the same idea.
DOn't worry, we'll all be safe!
Everyone, just get behind Trav.
...Trav?...
...Trav???
The local 7-11 advertises EBT eligible $5.99 mini-pizzas. Your tax dollars at work.
Um, what's wrong with that? Other than its bad for you, but you can say that about most processed foods.
For starters, it's a convenience store - which means much higher than market prices. EBT is supposed to be a lifeline, not a lifestyle line.
Revolution 2.0
....whatever keeps that corporate welfare rolling.
Turns my stomach. 46 million people consigned to starvation. What is it that makes us exceptional again?
This is going to backfire.
They believed that everyone seeing the unemployed gov workers whining every day on tv would sway opinion. I understand these people can't pay their rent but what service did they actually provide because I haven't missed it.
Unleashing the FSA will have the same effect. 46 million people forced to starve or is it 46 million people unwilling to feed themselves.
You can't run a village where half the villagers sit around all day and demand that the working villagers work harder.
I am sure they will listen calmly to your arguments when you run into them on the street.
They won't listen to any argument. They will turn and run when I defend myself with my 9 mm, my carbine, my 308, my 22, etc.
They are sheeple that are learning the hard way, a lesson, you apparently haven't learned. Nothing is free.
Unless you are a bankster...
Or a Gangster (government lackey) or a Corpster (corporate lackey).
+1
Anyone who thinks this is a "Xerox glitch" is dumber than Joe Biden. Systems like this have massive redundancy.
WalMart was told this was coming, and how to react to it.
The Free Stuff Army will be rampaging down suburban streets within a week of the cutoff, which hands Fearless Leader his dream of t@talitarian crackdown and suspension of that annoying and pesky Constitooshun, and all for our safety.
The church will step in. Here in Utah, the Mormons love to help people in need. This is just the media making a mountain out of a molehill. Shut down foodstamps in LA or one of the soutern states, that would be a big deal. I'm happy I was able to donate to the local food bank this summer, my garden provided a ton of food for me as well as a lot of other folks.
"the millions of other Americans who still live in their Ivory Towers, focusing on the daily gyrations of the S&P500, and largely oblivious of how the rest of America lives." The big problem in this country, mirrored right here on this thread.
So Obama is willing to starve people to protect his precious Obamacare.
No, he's willing to induce rioting among his fellow Negroes to get what he wants.
In addition to everything else fake about him, he is a fake negro, also.
of COURSE! How else can we usher in the new era of ... OBAMAFARM? Back to the planations...
But,
but,
but, who will pay for my Cheetos?
:(
I see a problem with insects: they are so damn small...
Sounds like Obama is resorting to threatening to play his ace in the hole: A EBT dependent mob that does take a break from its cell phones to vote, and when necessary, riot.
The Republicans don't have this number of voters at their beck and call. Remember, the elite are by definition a microminority. Hence, their only other solution would be election rigging, which certainly could nver happen. (sarc)
Them bullets the DHS purchased will thin this herd out real quickly since racisyism is still alive and well regardless of what everyone else says. The people rioting will not be the right color for the DHS to maintain trigger discipline. This will blow up in Obama and the Democrats faces if they do it. Also don't underestimate hispanics dislike of blacks in general either since they make up a decent portion of the ground level people in the DHS especially in the border states. Between them and the good ole white boys who are ex-military working the DHS will be happy to practice sloppy trigger finger discipline on this riot.
Hey! I know. There are a bunch of military bases we could shut down to save some dough. You know, temporarily. Keep paying the troops. Just shut down the bases.
Do even think or even bother to do any research before you post?
Those will become the prisons
Bankster,
The other white meat.
That's ray-ciss.
You must be sure to attain an interior temperature of at least 2700 degrees Fahrenheit when cooking this meat. It is the only way to extract precious nutrients from them and prevent seasickness when off to have a boating accident afterwards. It also stops food poisoning.
Looks like they might inadvertently expose the lie that everything is peachy in this economy.
@yrbmrgr
i don't follow your logic, how is it repubicans fault if barry stops food stamp program
Everything bad is the fault of Republicans.
Don't you watch ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/HLN/MSNBC/CNBC?
Let the riots and looting begin.
It'll be on like Donkey Kong, if this comes to fruitition.
Becuz, obama
Barry really wants to make this painful huh?
Grab the popcorn. Stock up on the ammo. This could get interesting.
Why the excitement guys, we're still a long way off from launch. This dry run of letting the indians loose for a couple hours was just meant to give the chiefs more arrows for negotiations.
Give the repubs a couple more hours they will probably throw in a 20% increase in ebt card credits to sweeten the debt deal for Obama.
Boner probably got promised funding for a new bridge in Ohio...or a peak at the next Fed minutes if he caved on the deal. Cruz gets a bigger bullseye.
"Such a realization could come as a very unpleasant wake up call for the millions of other Americans who still live in their Ivory Towers, focusing on the daily gyrations of the S&P500, and largely oblivious of how the rest of America lives."
Survey says wrong the Ivory Tower types are isolated from the rabble since they tend to live in protected communities. Their day to day lives won't be affected one bit.
one of my biggest fears is when the collapse does happen TPTB will not be made to pay for what they have done
I'm all for letting it ALL burn to the ground. I'm ready.
iBurger? Maybe break out the KelTec KSG....
WTF ever! Ain't gonna happen! These 'free goodies' is the Fed's insurance policy for its fiat money. Kill the fiat, and the Fed has millions of protesters at the ready.
The Fed doesn't care. If the Fed makes 2x the interest on half the debt, they're still making one paycheque after another! Then comes the new money and fresh debt growth opportunities!
Most Utah families I know grow their own food and have a huge support network. Do some homework on the mormon culture morons. What a joke. More propaganda and lies < shocker >.
well, at least their "flexible."
As for the starving, the soon-to-be starving and, naturally, the starved, they would all reply to so many of these callous posts, "Butpher, the Willow God, goeth thee..."
How many Obama phones must one eat for breakfast to qualify for a good mean under the 'Lets Move" program..?
"Let's Move."
Yeah, I am moving to where I can get citizenship for around 200 Gs.
Bettre than being eaten by hungry feral FSA Cannibals.
Mofos.
I would think the individual states would pick up the tab in the interim rather than deal with the potential fall out...
talks between the monkeys in DC have broken down...again, so there is no deal (anyone here surprised?).
so it looks like we will cross the x date with not only no deal, but no apparent way forward to boot, a paralyzed and ineffective central government that is shut down and about to default, and quite possibly millions of poor Americans will find themselves unable to buy food.
hmm...
so we are expected to believe, that a group of public trough feeding critters, suddenly, out of nowhere can't agree to do what they have been doing since 2008?
they can't agree to one more round of kick the can?
bullshit.
and the tea party? they don't wield that much power, if the PTB's wanted to punt on all this for another year, they would punt and there isn't a damn thing the tea party or libertarian conservatives could do to stop it, same as before.
but they are gaining some popularity among the serfs, espousing some very dangerous and radical ideas about questioning the almighty state as that fat skin sack Christi pointed out a few months ago. As Obama keeps pointing out now, we are being held hostage by "extremists and radicals" with a very dangerous ideology such as your central government might not really have your best interests at heart while they steal, oppress, murder and subjugate us.
which leads me to one clear conclusion, these minority parties are being set up to be the scape goats, the power players in DC are engineering the crises and when the shit goes sour, they will point at these groups and say it is their fault. the tea party, the independents, the libertarians, anybody who is not a part of team red or team blue will be swept away, maybe even labeled terrorists and arrested under the guise of "national security" who knows how far they are willing to go? it has already been stated that our national debt and economy is exactly that, a matter of national security.
this whole thing stinks of a manufactured crises, the NWO endgame, the ultimate global economic false flag. it's looking more and more like the bankster, bilderberg PTB's have finally decided, for whatever reason, to drop the hammer and crush what resistance remains to their ambitions.
"given the right crises, the people will accept the new world order"
looks like the right crises might be about to start in about 48 hours.
This is an old game the Black Nero is burning DC by not negotiating same as what the White Nero did with Rome by letting it burn except the Black Nero is playing golf instead of fiddling. Cue up the 21st century Christians and equivalents as the scapegoats just like the white Nero did. Next up the lions and empire wide persecution.
yeah, states like OH, MI, IL, CA and FL will be right on that!
are you forgetting that most INDIVIDUAL STATES are teetering on the brink as well?
What a great way to get the FSA rubes all in a panic and calling their representatives and demanding that they dig the debt hole even deeper.
One of the links said that Walmart is responsible for the over-use of the cards.
I just can't see that as standing. I wonder if they just download the data to the police? All the data is there...
Instead probably get a large tax deduction for donating to the FSA
Mr stompy feet wants his socialist revolution and he wants it now.
You serfs will do as you are told and when to do it.
I am Mr stompy Feet.
Now I am off to the Bath house. There had better be some socialism going on when I get back. Or else.
feel better now that you've got that out of your system?
All the SNAP People need to do is organize flashmobs....2000-3000 people dressed identically, wearing sunglasses and ball caps...no amount of surveillance can pick them up...and they can go shopping for free courtesy of the Walton family.
And jazz-hands... Lots of jazz-hands.
2000 people acting in concert... Let me think when have I seen that before? Will it look like a crowd at college Football games, rock concerts, or more like that Vancouver riot after they lost the Stanley Cup (i.e. more volatile, and violent)
like that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOY8dkhTpU
What does FSA mean?
Free Shit Army (FSA) All the mongrels we witnessed at the two wal-marts in Louisiana loading up with dey EBT cards are members of the FSA...Free Shit Army.
I know I'm goona get hashed for this, but let me ask all y'all who are quite willing to shoot the starving (rather than feed them...): All I hear about from the Right (who are as often as the Left) is how the gubbamint spends all this money on the undeserving poor. Its a cacaphony of critical comment, based on somebody else's unchecked math (meth?).
As for me, I would rather see my taxes spent lifting people from poverty than building guns to shoot them down.
I would rather have my taxes spent educating humans to be good at something, occasionally bringing the genius we so need in this day and age out from obscurity than gutting education and gearing the curriculum to the LCD all the time.
It makes more sense for taxes to be spent building a prosperous society which can develop civilization than it does to build billion-dollar warplanes.
Here's the rub, rube: when I was half my age, this rock had 3.5 billion humans on it. Now its somewhere near eight [billion]. It doesn't matter how much gold or how many bullets you have - if we don't either find a way to feed all of us, or a way off this rock, all the rest is moot. I like gold and bullets as much as the next guy, but what's the use if there's nothing to hunt and nothing to buy? THAT shoit is a lot closer then any of us are willing to contemplate.
And anyway, why shoot the starving? Banksters and their puppets make much fatter targets.
Two thirds of government spending is not on welfare.
Any spare money to this good cause will be spiritually rewarded: http://t.co/oRIKd1Uotb
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Come on, Im hardly bragging about what my mother makes on the web each month.
what's the connection to gandhi?h
I am interested in Gandhi. An enigmatic figure. I like to use themes involving real people, as it allows me to slip in political analysis and commentary. When the characters are all fictional then the analysis is contrived.
Two thirds of government spending is not on welfare.
Does that include social security as welfare? I am 67 and ready to make a deal with the government. Pay me back the deposits from myself and my employer and we will call it quits. Most of my working life I was my own boss so paid double. Only, calculate my payments on an annual basis against inflation when converting to 2013 fiat dollars for my cash settlement. And let John Williams of Shadowstats supply the real statistics and conversion factors. There - I am off of "welfare."You know they spent that money, right?
FU, el Gallinazo, you're just as bad as the FSA. How about you settle for less than half and we'll call it even.
You're part of the problem with this country. Nobody is willing to give up anything they're "owed."
Get a life. Your money and all the goodies were part of the great credit expansion that's imploding, so be happy if you are even alive in five years.
Lots of my friends are closing in on 62 and I always ask them if they'd forego SS if they shut the system down today. And all I hear is the same shit line: I paid in, I want what's owed. Blah, blah. The system stinks and yet you still want yours. Fuck you. I'd gladly take no money in two years if they stopped it all now. Why? more money in people's hands rather than the government. More spending, more saving, more investing, more business, better living standards.
Am I getting through at all? The system is fucked.
Hard to get through when you shout a lot and contradict yourself...how about you give me half your paycheck each week on a promise to pay you back 15% of it in ten or twenty years? How will you feel when I tell you at that time that I spent your money on parties, drugs and fights, and that you can go fuck yourself for expecting any of it back?
A contract is a contract, carrying the full weight of law. If a party breaks that document's provisions, THEY are the wrong party - a precept established for thousands of years. Your comments are stupid, uninformed, ignorant and rude. I strongly suggest that you learn to read, study history and law, and offer abject apologies to everyone who had the misfortune to read your rant.
You raise admirable points!
this. is what many of the wanna-be conservative posters that have invaded here miss by and large. berating the poor and destitute who have a shitty quality of life even with handouts. if all that anger and hate were directed at the true criminals we might actually get somewhere.
How would we know who to blame without these brave souls, though? Someone has to remind the rest of us that blacks, "jooos" and the poor are the root of all evil (let not the Left hand know what the Right hand is doing...lest they kick our ass!)
The reasons to shoot the starving would be that they are either trying to harm you to get to food, or they are trying to take your food, turning you into one of the starving. If it gets to that point, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong, and the venier of civilization will be gone or fading fast. In the words of William T Money, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
But yes, I would rather teach them how to produce their own food. I have been told that EBT will purchase seeds (maybe it was another wellfare program?) by one fellow who became disabled through a workplace accident and started growing his own food. He was deeply ashamed of the government handouts he was accepting, but his life had changed due to an injury. He and his wife saw producing their own food as a way to get off of them, and did so. That's the exception rather than the rule, but it get the gears in my head turning. Wellfare, locally managed that uses sharecropping or something similar to produce much of the food would be much better than this farce we have now. It probably wouldn't work everywhere, but it would sure work where I live, and it would be a step towards future food security.
P.S. Fuck the bankers though.
Sir,
This is a great suggestion.
Please run for US Senator in your state. And I hope you win!
May God bless you more.
AAB
I recall that when David ben-Gurion went to Palestine in the early 20th Century, he saw that the place was a mess of swamps, illiteracy and poverty. For a short time, Jews and the Palestinians shared the land without fighting. The early kibbutzim taught agriculture and irrigation techniques to the Palestinians, and schooled their children as well. The Muslim leadership of the time felt threatened that their whipping boys were learning to read, enlisted the aid of the Brits and the Germans, and drove wedges into communities that were prospering and doing well.
Now, all they do is murder one another. The time when one can shelter one's neighbor is always short, for the wolf is always at the door.
During the Great Depression of the 1930's in this country, nobody starved. We were an agrarian nation - families grew gardens, baked bread, and even if it was just the bread line, food could be had. Now its all WalMart, and all anyone knows how to do is bitch a lot and punch buttons. That energy is better placed learning how to grow, cook and build.
I get so tired of all these folks who keep expecting miracles to come out of a sow's ass (government). Real change starts on the street. It starts in schools, living rooms and gymnasiums. Bureaucracy will only change when WE have changed. Those fools who yearn for Doomsday or Waterworld or Thunderdome will find, upon reaching their destination, that the same kleptocracy rules there as is now destroying our nation and globe. WE elected these clowns. WE refuse to get off the couch and remove them from office. WE have put ourselves-and our elders and children-in harm's way. I agree with you, El Vaquero, that if the mob comes swinging machetes, one must shoot. But right now, there is no mob. It is still possible to make and execute a plan to shelter our neighbors and put enough food by to feed us through the winter.
We have to identify our leaders, build an infrastructure, warehouse more than just bullets for the love of Jehosaphat. I seem to recall a story about Jesus telling a man to "turn the other cheek" when he had been slapped. Read the Hebrew, and never trust a priest. The translation of Christ's words are actually, "Look the other way." Build a new world, engage in constructive pursuits, do what little you can to add something positive on the scale. It all adds up, and if it should happen that some genuine, Washington/Jefferson kind of person actually becomes a politician, maybe they will act on the mandate we give them-unlike the sorry puppy on Pennsylvania Ave. or any of the last several occupants of that address.
One thing is certain-once the shooting starts, it won't stop for a long time. No matter what you idiots who have never had to kill anotherman anywhere but on video games may think, it isn't glorious. It isn't kewl. And when the bullet hits you back, you'll suddenly remember what it is to be alive in a garden, but it will be too late.
The government is not interested in lifting people from poverty. All these programs are corporate welfare. People are the vehicle, not the product.
They'd rather bailout bankers who cheated on their SATs.
The rest of us are just on the hook for their games, that's all.
Too bad we have no private sector, the GOP has no hope until we do.
Ther GOP has no hope until it develops:
1: an agenda that includes solutions to real problems
2: Leadership with IQ's greater than -12, or who are otherwise not the whores of the Pentagon or Wall St.
These guys always scream "SMALLER GOVERNMENT!!" They never fail to expand the size of .gov, and they never fail to increase the national debt. The other side is as useless as fresh horsehit too - they couldn't act on a tempo if it TPTFB.
What we need is not going to show itself in a world where lawyers control the press and advertising agencies consume our brightest minds. Revolution is another trip around the same old spike. Evolution is the only way out, and its a slow, violent process.
Obama's earliest and one of his bigger supporters is billionaire Lester Crown of Chicago who was one of the largest if not largest shareholders in General Dynamics and a big supporter of AIPAC.
eet alway nice to peesoff da crapshooters!
What if NOT giving out "free" stuff to those who refuse to work is the most efficient way to feed the most people with the fewest resources (which may now be used for other things)?