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Foodstamp Program Shutdown Imminent?
When over the weekend, a Xerox "glitch" shut down the EBT system, better known as foodstamps, for nearly the entire day across 17 states leaving millions without "funding" to pay for food leading to dramatic examples of the basest human behavior possible, some of the more conspiratorial elements saw this merely as a dress rehearsal for what may be coming in the immediate future. While there was no basis to believe that is the case, a USDA (the currently shuttered agency that administers the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) memo obtained by the Crossroads Urban Center in Utah carries in it a very disturbing warning for the 46+ million Americans currently on foodstamps.
To wit: "understanding the operational issues and constraints that States face, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing States to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to State electronic benefit transfer (EBT) vendors until further notice." In other words, as Fox13News summarizes, "States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice."
The full memo first posted on the Crossroads Facebook page is shown below:
More on this dramatic development which, if implemented, would will result in significant unpredictable outcomes across the nation:
“This is going to create a huge hardship for the people we serve here in our food pantry,” says Bill Tibbits who is the Associate Director at Crossroads Urban Center.
They posted a letter from the USDA on its Facebook page. It says in part, “in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing states to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to state electronic benefit transfer vendors until further notice.”
“What this means if there’s not a deal, if Congress doesn’t reach a deal to get federal government back up and running, in Utah about 100,000 families won’t get food stamp benefit,” says Tibbits.
In other words, tens of thousands of Utah families may not be able to feed their children come November.
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“People out here are going to go without food,” says Loralee Smith whose been homeless since August and says the uncertainty is making her uneasy about where her next meal will come from. “I’m on food stamps, I don’t know if I’m going to get them, a lot of people are on food stamps and they don’t know if they’re going to get them.”
Others say if SNAP shuts down, they’ll find a way to feed themselves.
One hopes such "alternative" feeding arrangements will be peaceful, although in the most heavily armed nation in the world, and arguably the one where a massive portion of the population is now fully reliant on the welfare state for virtually every daily need, it is easy to see cutting off daily bread to tens of millions has a less than happy ending.
As the report notes, for people out on the streets like Richard Phillips, "It could impact us and it’s going to cause problems because you’re going to come to find out that people are going to steal and do what they have to do to survive."
Such a realization could come as a very unpleasant wake up call for the millions of other Americans who still live in their Ivory Towers, focusing on the daily gyrations of the S&P500, and largely oblivious of how the rest of America lives.
The full report on what may be the most catalytic event in the history of the US welfare state is presented below.
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I was homeless and live in my battered old car for a time. Nobody lifted me out of poverty. I decided to get my shit straight, take responsibility for my actions and I decided that I would make something of myself. I educated myself. I feed myself. I ask nothing from others except to leave me the hell alone and stop taking from me to give to others so they can ride their fat asses around WalMart and waddle out to the Escalades parked in the handicapped spaces.
I am no better and no worse than anyone else.
Every able bodied man is capable of providing for himself and his family if he chooses to make the sacrifices neccessary.
Stop blowing money on booze, tattoos, tater chips and drugs. Get out of bed and work. Hard. Don't knock up women and run off. Do the right thing. Tell the truth. Do what you say and keep your word.
It's not rocket science.
The only starving people I'd shoot are the fat assed one trying to steal what I worked hard for rather than work for it themselves.
Spare me your bleeding heart liberal horse shit.
Oh, if only it were that easy. Remember, there has to be an employer to be employed. Businesses are automating and now making workers do the job of what they used to employ two people to do...it's called productivity. And of course the prices of everything have tripled while wages have been stagnant for the last 30 years.
Yeah, all it takes is to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Tell that to all people who lived in misery during the Great Depression. Tell that to the minimum wages earners who need two jobs to make ends meet.
I started working at minimum wage jobs-two of them.
When I developed skills-showing up EVERY DAY ON TIME WITH A GOOD ATTITUDE-I got jobs that paid more.
I no longer had minimum skills, so I no longer worked at a minimum wage job.
I started my own landscaping service by taking a ruler to a sheet of paper and making a brochure. I wanted "my buddy" to make the brochure, but he didn't feel like it, so I did it. I also paid for and made the copies and handed them out in wealthier neighborhoods. After 1 day to make and copy the brochure and 1 day to pass out the copies, I had so much business that I never needed to give out the brochures again.
This was during a recession while I went to community college part time.
So, with a weekend of my own initiative, I was making more than 50% above minimum wage, and I was self employed.
Why is it now IMPOSSIBLE for other people make brochures and hand them out? Why is it IMPOSSIBLE for people to help themselves no matter how much public money and goods and programs and housing and phones are showered on them? Isn't it BECAUSE they get all this free stuff?
I'm so glad that you're at peace shooting the deadbeat walmart shopper who is "stealing" from you. Why the fuck aren't you shooting at the banker who stole your child's future, your pension and savings, and bankrupted you when you went to the hospital? You think you're the only one who was ever homeless and picked themselves up by their own bootstraps? Too bad it left you with no compassion for those less imaginative, intelligent or fortunate than yourself.
You fucktards who scream at the poor and blame them for your misfortunes make me sick, because you can't see-or worse still support-the thieves who rob you of your freedoms and saddle your children and mine with a promise of slavery. Ge the fucking board out of your own eye before you start worrying about the mote in someone else's.
Preach Spumoni,
these guys on Zerohedge are cowards weak individuals too pathetic to fight back so they go after the obvious little guy. These bankers are stealing our future and all these uneducated, small, scared, crybaby, poor me sheople can do is talk about nickels and ignore the millions of dollars going out the door. (not the back the front door) in front of their faces.
Bankers know how weak you are, they know you are too scared to fight them and stand up for your rights.
You guys are PATHETIC.
You gotta weed through the pasture, Beefman-there are actually some brilliant people on this site. There are also some highly entertaining ones who don't have very good eyesight. What ZH brings to the table is a thing we sorely need - real, genuine unspun news items that concern our government and institutions, keen insight on trends and events in the marketplace, and a whole spectrum of wordsmiths who keep the commentary interesting. There are also baiters'n haters, but that's the web.
Tyler Durden has brought together a group of bloggers who "ain't 'fraid." I don't know if ZH will ever get a Tony, Grammy or whatever, but I am willing to put up with a few dolts to find real news. ZH has been two to seven days ahead of the lamestream media on almost every single major news item (related to financial and government matters) for over three years, by my record. Its worth the slog.
Since when is feeding them all for nothing actually lifting them out of poverty?
They stay then we join them.
That didn't fix anything.
Nobody said that they had to be fed for nothing. Jamestown. You want to eat, you work. SO how abvout we employ all the ZH genius to come up with the jobs that the poor can do that actually produce something besides a byte or another piece of paper? Its all well and good to sit around criticizing even the idiot.gov's efforts to provide a safety net, but the answer is NOT sending them out to starve. The answer lies somewhere in reforming how the safety net works, so that it does actually put people back to work. We collectively hired the morons who corrupted a brilliant idea. We can collectively fire them, too. What won't work is removing the existing infrastructure without having something better to put in its place. And THAT, my friend, is where it takes more than a cynical/phobic attitude to get the job done.
I have been reading this blog for four years, every day. There are some brilliant thinkers here, scattered among the nazis and crackpots. Waiting for Washington is like having a bowel obstruction. This is as good a place as any to start coming up with how the new village ought to look.
Brilliant! These low self esteemed cowards who want to blame all of their problems on starving people are pitiful. the number of people on welfare who are gaming the system is miniscule compared to the number of bankers stealing from you with fees, fees, fees. But you pay them and jump on people who receive food stamps C'mon grow a pair. Go get your money back cowards..... oh nothing? just as i thought; I suspect that when the SHTF all of you computer tough guys are gonna fold.
Dispensing your hate by beating up people who cant fight YOU back = PUNK. Thats what most of you commenters are straight up Punks.
@sonic
FSA= free shit army
TY
@sonic
FSA= free shit army
Barry really wants to make this painful huh?
Grab the popcorn. Stock up on the ammo. This could get interesting.
Why is it that the only ones who benefit from being part of this society are the ones that don't contribute anything to it?
You would think a benefit would be something that you get for doing your part
"you are a member of costco, as a benefit you get savings on your food",
VS.
"You are a member of the United States, you don't get any benefits, but you get to pay into a system that gives benefits to people who are not paying into the system"
You might as well be poor (on the books).
Are you referring to bankers, KPMG, HAL, etc? I forgot to add: congressmen, senators, K-Street Cronies, lawyers and crooked accountants.
Your benefit, whether you realize it or not, is that droves of hungry people aren't breaking down your door or swamping your car on the road. If SNAP shuts down that will be the outcome.
Copper jacketed lead SNAP.
Don't take much to ruin an appitite.
I don't carry cheetoes, fritos, doritoes, twinkies, smokes or soda. Real soup kitchens can provide for real hunger.
A bit of a rigurous way to combat obesity I would say.
It will probably take two years before then are 9 stone.
Good news for the budget then! Not so good for the junkfood places where EBT gets spent.
I want five minutes of my life back. Stupid article.
Agenda- Grinding America Down (Legendado)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDo8xAQGrI8 (1:31:46)
if posted already... sorry-- "Al's Emporium: Dr. Too-Big-To-Fail" by Al Lewis 10/14/13 http://www.nasdaq.com/article/als-emporium-dr-too-big-to-fail-20131014-00138
and,... 'all for cannibalizing academic economist'-- out yonder? "J.P. Morgan's Food Stamp Empire" (SNAP) by Peter Schweizer 10/1/13 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/01/jp-morgan-s-food-stamp-empire.html
whoo-hoo! tha's right ...end corporate welfare for walmart and mcdonalds' less than living wage paying muthafckers! colateral damage be damned. bring on the stereotypes! zh types- be careful what you aks for.
Well, mankind's sole pursuit through the ages has been the development and enjoyment of something called "leisure time." Clearly, the FLA has outrun all y'all in figuring out how to stay on the couch and watch FREE baseball games. Y'all are just jealous!
cool .... game on come November
Halloween and Thanksgiving will make for fantastic photo ops!
The SNAP family without a turkey. OMG this is so cruel! Don't know if I should root for the SNAP family or the turkey which lives to see another day!
I wouldn't be taking too many pictures. We get to Halloween unresolved and you can forget about it. Many cities have enough trouble as it is on Halloween night, and I can assure you that there is no question in my mind that cities would burn Halloween night (if not before!! -- the continuance of Constitutional government may now depend on how stupid and out of touch the FSA actually IS) if it gets that far.
Look at it this way: The turkey provides something of value.
SPAM makes a fine turkey product. I guess this would be SNAP EBT SPAM Turkey.
I think it's now the time to unleash my spiked shouldner pad and wrist mounted cross bow series of info-mercials. Order now and receive your mohawk coloring kit free! Think I should throw in the ass-less chaps, or offer those as a seperate purchase?
Problem>reaction>solution (causing a new problem)
CONgressional Kabuki Theater>budget shutdown>inactivate SNAP>nationwide rioting and violence>martial law>end of any semblance of the republic>huge but clandestine bankster fiesta.
Hegel rules supreme.
whocouldaknowed!
Same thing happened to recipients of Unemployment in overspeculated California.
Deloitte got some $60 million for unemployment and they stiffed like, 144,000 recipients over the month of September.
The baby boomer voting majority that ran the state into the ground with their statist policies still want $750/month to share a room. On top of $4/gallon gas, overpriced food.... otherwise it's a nice place.
I hate hate HATEHATEHATE public assistance. Here you can't even get medicare unless you're old or an illegal alien with an anchor baby.
They just need to remove ALL barriers to the private sector growth in the US by the international community's private sector investments in our private sectore businesses and then do away with this embezzlement hidden under the guise of helping those in need.
It's horribly sad.
It IS actually much easier to fend for yourself in a healthy economy.
599 comments?
Are you bitchez trying to crash Tyler's site like what happened to Obamacare's?
The Natives are getting restless ...
MOAR MOAR MOAR!!!!
COMMENTS!!!
Dingle, Those of us here, including myself tend to find news we agree with (confermation bias). That being said I am sure you realize that 600 comments about this article represent a very, very small % of the population. ZH represents a great contrarian veiwpoint, but reaches only those who are already fully "awake". A huge post here may draw 20 to 70k veiws. We are out numbered by the low information voter, AKA Boobus Americanus.
DHS = Brown Shirts
FSA = Red Shits
This shit aint funny. If any of you think 'oh no big deal I got mines' with millions of starving people on the loose you might be in for a surprise. The majority of us aren't going to fair well in a crashing state of affairs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYOY8dkhTpU
If there are takers than makers, is the an easier way to thin the herd?
Which "herd" is thinned, though?
That's your real question...
Just last weekend:
Massive EBT glitch causes at least two WalMarts to get the equivalent of flash-robbed.
Riots at both Penn State and Western Washington
Sports incidents in Boston and Houston
On top of all the normal chaos...
The natives will go feral...
This test could be real, starving Obamacraps storming my street, and me and my neighbors have already mapped out our firing lines.
Its going to look like Custers last stand after us Indians take em out. Is this the start of the Zombie rage where we will all have to fight our way to the death, Road Warrior style?
I may not have enough ammo for all the democraps in Blacksonville
Statistically I would imagine that a stray round or "biter" will get me before I work through my inventory. But like they say you can never have too much.
Jax-son-Ville,FL? Oh dear. Remember the Alamo. I will pray for you brother.
I do not see this as a call or warning the the ETB money will not be there. Rather the suggestion is to hang onto the money until the end of the month and then send it over at the last minute.
Sort of like an employer normally depositing money in the bank on the 15th to cover the paychecks he will give out on the 30th. Now, the employer is going to hang onto that cash until the 29th and then deposit it.
Or at least that is the way I read this letter in the larger context of the DC shutdown mess.
"because you’re going to come to find out that people are going to steal and do what they have to do to survive."
Do what they have to do to survive? Oh, like, I don't know...get a job? ...or do something/anything that's productive and contributes to society instead of unraveling it?
Anyone who can't find a job or something else productive to do is either completely incompetent or is a lazy worthless turd, or, um, wait, there is no "or". Can't walk or use your arms? Does your brain still work? Can't think above the level of a 6 yr old? Does your body still work? There is no gray area. You either work or you don't. I've lost jobs. Boo fucking hoo. I found another. In one such instance I started my own business. Anyone who can "push a lawnmower" can find work.
Tragically, the socialists have drilled it into our heads that "you can measure the greatness of a society by how well they treat the least fortunate among them". WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT? Who says that other than socialists and indoctrinated douchebag useful idiots? One measure I'd prefer is to measure that greatness by HOW MANY "least fortunate" a society has and what it tries to do to ensure that it has fewer of them rather than MORE of them.
Epic commentary -- +1,000
Wish I could consolidate into verbiage that fits easily onto a t-shirt
I'm sure you're partially correct, but in many areas of the US there simply aren't any jobs. That's why we see stories about 2,000 people applying for 10 dipshit, no benefits jobs. Wake the fuck up!
Well it seems like the West Coast Liberal areas like Calif chased away many many jobs from CA as did Detroit, NY, NJ and unionized upper Ohio and the list goes on and on. Too many taxes, regulations, unions, higher utility costs, the lists goes on and on.
first job they'll get is holding your kids for ransom.
None of this is socialism - this is fascism. The corporations rob everyone then send the poorest after the next above poorest.
If you believe that, start shooting.
You're probably thinking I'm kidding.
You either start it, or it will be started for you when the money truly isn't there -- and you might not have tonight, depending on how many of the FSA saw this and believe this...
I mean, seriously, you would want a lot of the FSA in an employment situation at this point? Especially if by lethal force, at literal or figurative gunpoint?
Are you serious??
Wow, this administration is doing a hell of a job turning the people against each other, Bush ain't got shit on Obama!
The banksters picked the "right" guy for the job, did they not?
iSheeple riots for Thanksgiving 2013
Seriously, if the SNAP card go offline, your hood will make Detroit will look like Mayberry.
at least food prices will come down
More likely food prices will go up, due to fixed costs of real estate and materials handling, also increased security expenses and general disorganization and uncertainty.
Food "prices" will go down.
Unless the looters leave some cash.
True. It galls the hell out of me how we end up paying not just twiice but often 3, 4 and 5 times for liberalism. Paying twice for food plus taxes for their free food plus higher prices for their food. 3x.
Paying for healthcare, then paying taxes for their free healthcare, paying high insurance costs to subsidize their care, paying high hospital costs to pay for their care plus paying for free healthcare for illegals.
You forgot about all the offspring the underclass manages to produce. We now have generations of welfare people, we're just behind Europe.
Our country needs this, our culture needs this--a real wake up call. Not the bullshit kind, but the real deal. Maybe when people fear dying they won't act like such tools all the fucking time.
The only tool is the cowqard that dosent seee the real problem. Thre real problem? House slave v field slave. I thinlk you get it
How quickly the people of California might change their minds about offshore drilling or northeast state fracking if suddenly they had to raise serious money.
Rome took 500 years to die,
It died when the money became worthless. the farmers quit sending grain to Rome,
Once there was no bread in Rome, everybody left,
Once the EBT has no value, then there will be no food, and the USA will die. Until then enjoy the show.
Once food is scarce it will be worth a fortune and MORMONS will be rich :)
Yup. A bit like Detroit and some lib states like CA, NJ and NY. People just leave. Detroit would probably become a total ghost town if billions were not pumped in. It is getting closer every day.
Utah has probably one of the best clean coal deposits in the world and would be a wealthy country. Clinton locked it off to federal lands to benefit the leader of Indonesia's business interests.
Time to burn this motherfucker down.
Please include the phrase "Bitchez" whenever inciting madness or posting painfully obvious comments. It is in the fIGHTCLUB RULEBOOK, now available on aMAZON.
..the ride on the gravy train is ending as america's last growth engine pulls into the station...
I'm a sucker for romantic rail road stories.
Me too. This one is in the middle of going over the gorge (pardon the pun) and the Monkey With A Grenade is setting off the fireworks under the bridge.
What a visual !!
LOL! Putin deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for stopping Obama-McCain-Graham-Schumer going to war with Syria and the Nobel Comedy, Sarcasm & Cleverness Prize for his monkey with a hand grenade line. Say what you want about Putin - the guy is a smart.
Fuck it - banks get welfare every single fucking day - it's called zirp cash - then they bet it in the casino (e.g. Blackrock buying houses) - if it goes right they pay themselves mega bonuses - if it goes wrong WE baill the fuckers out (and they pay themselves mega bonuses)
I say EVERYONE get their piece of the action - whatever your game is use it - food stamps, welfare, disability, student loan - fuck it - the country is finished - the elites know that and they are raping this old whore's ass (double dicking the old bitch) - you might as well stick your knob in her toothless mouth or at least get a hand job.
FREEDOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE
Your eyes really make you stand out in that crowd.
Exactly 57% of the US public gets a treasury check in the mail.
Judges are on welfare, cops are on welfare,
the MIL is on welfare,
The USA is welfare nation, ...
Wonder what the mouth of Sauron will have to say at tomorrow's daily Mordor briefing?
Oh man, this is gonna be epic. PBRme (before the liquor stores are looted) and let the fireworks start.
who the hell they think they are, Tiny Fucking Tim???
Operation Northwoods - The U. S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Plan to Terrorize the U. S. Populace http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
The Joint Chiefs are the 5 generals and admirals in charge of the 5 branches of the U. S military. In 1962, those men were George Decker (Army), David Shoup (Marines), Georg Anderson, Jr. (Navy), Curtis LeMay (Air Force), and Edwin Roland (Coast Guard), along with a few others, all chaired by Lyman Lemnitzer (Army). The entire board of the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed, drafted, and agreed on a plan to concoct a casus belli for war against Communist Cuba, under Fidel Castro. Their collective motive was to reduce the constant threat of Communist encroachment into the Western Hemisphere, per the Monroe Doctrine.
This plan was named Operation Northwoods, and entailed the most impossibly indifferent cruelty ever envisioned by a government against its own people. In order to sway public sentiment in favor of the war, the Joint Chiefs planned to bomb high pedestrian-traffic areas in major American cities, including Miami, New York, Washington, D. C., and possibly Chicago and Los Angeles; to frame U. S. citizens for these bombings; to shoot innocent, unarmed civilians on the streets in full view of hundreds of witnesses; to napalm military and merchant vessels in port, while people were aboard; to sink vessels carrying Cuban refugees bound for Florida; to hijack planes for ransom.
Not only did every single member of the Joint Chiefs sign his approval of this plan, they then sent it to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara for his approval, and then to President Kennedy. McNamara claimed years later never to have seen it, but that he would have rejected it. Kennedy, however, did receive it, and promptly called a meeting of the Joint Chiefs, in which he threatened, with severe profanity, to court martial and incarcerate every one of them. The President cannot actually do this, but can order the Congress and military branches to do so, and in these circumstances, they most certainly would have. But Kennedy decided that it would cause irreparable disrespect around the world for the U. S. military. He did remove Lemnitzer from his position as Chairman and assign him as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, not much of a demotion.
Theorists claim that the military may have had a hand in Kennedy’s assassination because of his blistering rebuke of the Joint Chiefs. This, however, remains unproven.
NOTE: JFK WAS MURDERED SOON AFTER HE KILLED THIS OPERATION
what is the motive for a corporate media outlet such as ABC to publish something like this?
JFK was also killed when he signed into law Executive Order 11110.
One of the favorite methods of the ghosts is to leak a story like this through a news outlet then claim its "old news" if it ever comes up for discussion.
they usually only release whatever is already public knowledge.
see MKULTRa and the Church hearings also Project mockingbird. then cry in your beer as you realize how fucked we are.
This plan and its detail has been out a long time now, and ABC amerhika just notices the big-bro terrorist conspiricism is actually and factually 100% for real?
Well, ... ok
we have been blinded, given attention deficit disorder and have had our water supply poisioned - this has resulted in a bit of a learning curve.
Did I mention most folks ar maleducated and misinformed of their own history.
Most folks know their favorite tv characters lives better than the constitution. This is by design,TV is a honey trap where you can gorge yourself on empty fantasy and pretend you are living while your actual life is dying and you are growing fat,old and dying.
Search for the book Regicide for evidence of JCS direct involvement.
Utah, Mormons are preppers won't effect them to much, but the rest.
yep,
I mean if you were a 'real' conspiracy theorist, you could only imagine that given every mormon has 2 years of food, and that food will be worth a fortune, that if SHTF that the mormons could end up be the owners of the USA.
ANother forgotten fact is most CIA is mormon, and there is a reason that NSA new mega-building is in UTAH, as NSA hires ex-CIA,
SInce the 1970's CIA preferred pro-america missionary moron boys the best cover in the world for intelligence gathering.
A big plate of fail. The upper eschelon of CIa are Yalies, Protestant,catholics and atheists, But Yales finest, the banking families keeping their network together. doing whats right for their america. The one where they do all the deals,have all the inside dope and sell all the dope.
Mormons are cannon fodder like the rest of us.
The top of .gov, the fatkats and alphabet soup agencies have well stocked bunkers since the 1960's. Just us folks live naked with only the current resources to depend on.
Those that own and run things have been stocking up on stuff for decades.To paraphrase Joe Jackson,"why the fuck do you think the force gives a shit about you?"
ie its a cold world and armegeddon will be even icier than usual. I wouldn't count on Mormons should the shit hit the fan.
Also whats the point of the NSA datacenter when there is no electricity and no cell phone towers left?
22's and shotshells are the way to go. Picking off fools with a bmg will be easy as they can be seen pushing their carts from a long way off.
On a lighter note,
I saw where the Redskins have decided to change their name, so as not to offend anyone.
"They dropped WASHINGTON from their name."
MAH BABIES NEED THEIR CHEETOS!!!
ah, government inefficiency.
As if with all the transaction systems that exist there can't be a reliable one for the free-shit-army.
Meh.
Not my problem.
The root of most mental illness is the inability to deal with legitimate pain, especially pain brought on by your own doing.
Our federal govt has been numbing legitimate pain of it's sheeple through bribes (welfare, SNAP et al) for decades while doing the bidding of the MIC, banks, cooperative foreign govt's and corporations.
Hence the massive insurgence of the "free schit crowd" through systemic dumbing down of the populace by our "media" and "education" systems through Fascism as directed by the Fed and its sympathizers.
We're fucked, to keep it short...
I like your to-the-point style...
Well largely a 1950's welfare society model, post WWII government did help people with housing, and food, ... and education.
But back then you could tax the middle class to pay off the poor for votes.
Now who the fuck do you tax?
So we build this fucking DEBT to hell to keep the dam from breaking, but it breaks anyways ... we all saw it coming.
**
Those who talk about hiding in RV's, and gun's and GOLD, are historical moron's only those of us FAR away will survive.
There is NO fucking exceptionalism, all mercantile economy's in history end this way, and they NEVER come back the same.
When even the proxy ration-card system is dysfunctional, your currency is in dire trouble.
I have always presumed that the US could manage inflation and dollar collapse, if (and only if) the ration system could be managed.
And that ain't happening ... gezus
Most of these comments are fucking unreadable.... let's squeeeeeeeze all 765 waaaaaaaaaay onto the right.
Well, by way of farewell.... the grape soda boyz will be the LAST to feel this crisis. As will their inbred white trash "fiances".
The "Walking Dead", anyone? Great. We get to see starving children and breadlines like our grandparents and great grandparents did. This really sucks and will impact a lot of people. This isn't anything that I can laugh about, unfortunately. 'Cuz I loves to laugh.
The new breadlines are meant to be invisible, that's what EBT/SNAP are for. Once that fails you'll see there are no "bread lines" anymore, only riots.
Expecting a riot. Nice to know i bought a few assult rifles.
Hell, I'm an optimist. Maybe it'll make the price of food fall some for the rest of us.
A chunk of these SNAP users are working under the table too so they'll be OK. I personally know of several who make more than me. It's quite easy to do when you're not paying taxes on your income.
Also, I watched one load up on some radioactive Alaskan snow crab legs at the store today. I just smirked as that SNAP card got whipped out of his wallet at the checkout. I guess he was stocking up after the SNAP system went belly up the other day.
Will they get "back pay" once the government reopens?
I'm thinking this was rhetorical.
A one week suspension of food stamps and even Blue State Retards will be supporting the 2nd amendment.
I heard one use the "N" word the other day!
"N"achos?
Not nachos, they were damn sure not crackers either.
Vanna, can I buy a vowel?
Naggers?
There will be no 2nd Amendment. The Constitution will be so long gone, it's not even funny.
China down 1.8%, by the way.
Lucky for them they can't get to me.
To paraphrase Leon Spinks...."ain't got no gas money, ain't got no car, and I damn sho ain't got no drivers license!"
i still don't understand why they named a statue in egypt after him.
They spelt it wrong too!
I know!! Like what were they thinkin and stuff? Man that egyptian beer is strong 3 or 4 bowls of beer and you lose your sense of spell.
Maybe it was erected on 2 for 1 beer nite.
No teefas either
Excellent opportunity for Walmart to offer loans to people who hold EBT cards at a low interest rate * wink wink * and automatically deduct from future benefits.
Well, you know Walmart and American Express are teaming up / conspiring on the launch of their new "Blue Bird" financial services for the masses this fall...
I'm not the conspiratorial type, but it isn't hard to imagine this type of event, should it really occur, being used as a force majure type of situation for Obama to seize emergency dictatorial powers. I do believe he is authorized to do just that in certain extreme situations. I'm not saying that is what will happen, just that it is not out of the realm of possibility.
All things are pre-planned and directed by others.
Including your comment, wise guy. We've been watching you, consider yourself warned.
your name could go on a list in a hurry if you keep this sort of thing up.
omfg rotflmao
Hmm, priest's would say the same. God like....hmm. The Omnipotent them. They. Him that is them. Those that are they.
Every day, it comes closer.
If it gets past the SHTF point, that's exactly what will happen.
He's a puppet. His masters would seize control, he would be only a figurehead, a target for eyeballs.
This whole "story" is nothing but a tactical release by the Obumma disorganization to get their EBT Army up in arms and out protesting in the streets, mark my words.
The FSA was already out protesting Republican Representatives in downtown Atlanta today. Hey, I would have liked to protest our entire corrupt congress and their puppet master Wall Street Banks, but I have this little thing called A FUCKING JOB that unfortunately does not allow me the spare time to protest at the drop of a hat.
Still stuck in campaign mode, Obumma knows he can get his FSA up off their asses by threatening to take their EBT away. Hell, it's not like the FSA folks are missing work to protest eh ? So, his FSA fat asses get out and protest, and they get a ton of media coverage because the ruthless republicans just stole their fucking Thanksgiving Turkey, Candied Yams, and Collard Greens. Don't get me wrong, most republicans along with all Democrats, I wouldn't piss in their mouths if their guts were on fire, but there are a very few republicans that are trying to do the right thing here by stopping Obumma care and at least acting like they are attempting to get spending under control.
Meanwhile, the heartless fucking bastards here, you and me, get up early in the AM, bust our fucking asses all day so we can support our families, AND WE WORK TO FEED, CLOTHE, EDUCATE, AND PROVIDE SHELTER FOR THE VERY SAME MOTHERFUCKERS THAT WILL BE OUT THE REMAINDER OF THIS WEEK PROTESTING NOT TO STOP THEIR FREE SHIT AND THAT WE SHOULD WORK EVEN FUCKING HARDER TO GIVE THEM MORE FREE SHIT.
IF THAT DOESNT GET YOU MAD ENOUGH TO START SENDING SOME LEAD DOWNRANGE AT BANKER SKUM AND OUR SOUL-LESS CORRUPT CONGRESSIONAL REPS WHAT WILL ????
Peace and Much Love,
Dirk Diggler
They will finally be working hard now, cause from now on, forever or until systemic breakdown, the sheeps will be getting less and less from a broken system. The democrats have only ever been elected by making promises of free stuff. They can't promise more now, nor can they even deliver what they have already promised. These mutha fockers will scream, holler, march, protest, riot or whatever every day forever and that will not change it. But it will be fun to watch! Especially fun will be watching the "sophisticated" "intellectual" "compassionate" dumb focks freak out over the cost of oBUMMER care. And how they will be taxed to death by the big spending city and state governments that will charge them more and more and more for less and less and less. I finally get to laugh!
It'll be more fun to watch it go from 'no billionaire left' behind to 'no billionaire'. actually why does anyone need a million? We can just say, you won, now put the chips back in the box.
I agree completely, Obama wants to get the MAX out of the shutdown to blame the rePUGlicans, the way you do that is punish the poor DEM folks and blame rePUGlicans.
What is it a majority of US public is on food stamps, and +60% get a government check, ... talking about non-sustainable bullshit.
I have always seen the 'food stamps' as the canary in the coalmine, ... once the USD is toast, then the foreign imported food quits flowing, which means that those EBT dollars don't buy anything for anyprice, ... We're still a long way from that inflection point.
The point of the SHUTDOWN is complete, Obama-Care WON, its off the debate. On the table is 'austerity' and that is a WIN for the PUG's. The DEM's win cuz they got the Obama-Care to the finish line for wall-street.
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Now with a majority of the US public dependent on GUBMINT checks and the MAJORITY of the 'poor' dependent upon food-stamps, government has never been More Powerful.
The "Canary in the Coalmine" will be food-stamps, but we're not there yet.
IMHO watch the reserve-currency carefully, watch inflation, and watch the value of the dollar drop quick in terms of imported food, then watch how quick those food-stamps become worthless.
Another point for you folks to understand, is that the world still spends 90% of its income on 'food', while the USA, it is what? 5%? The USA has a long way to go towards a REAL 3rd world country, ... like in Syria, or Egypt once food is 110% of you income, ... then your got riots.
while I don't want to rain on your negativity and dilute the discussion with actual facts, I must state that it is easily verifiable that only about 20% of the population is on food stamps, and though math is not my strong suit, that strikes me as less than a majority.
rave on dude.
i would fear the loss of value of currency much more than the hordes of ravenous food stampers, though their number would increase substantially once the currency fails.
We are all but one breath away from suffocation - Pavlov (of the bell fame)
14.7%
I clearly stated math was not my strong suit. Whats 5.3% between friends?
The wonders of the ZH paradoxer.
Global warming is a myth but jesus is coming now for judgement day.
I can't do math but I can tell you I lost money in the markets because they're rigged and I kept using those rigged markets. It's all Bart Chilton's fault. He's Nefarious.
Markets are unpredictably rigged but I can tell you precisely where the market will be, if you never ask me later, using linear support lines and elliot waves.
We hate illegal immigration but America was founded on stealing all the land from the indigenous people while murdering their children & women if left alone.
We hate the 'murder' of aborting a person who doesn't yet exist but we definitely want to kill any members of the free-shit-army.
Y'all would do well to remember it's not just those on EBT/SNAP who are fuckin retards.
The MAJORITY of the POOR are on food-stamps,.. that is what I said.
Another fact is that 57% of the US public get a government check, and that includes judges, welfare-ho's, and cops.
The system is non-sustainable, now with the middle class gone it implodes.
The system was designed back in the day when the rich were able to use 'middle class' tax dollars to buy off the poor, ...
It's time for a new model, and its called 'genocide', and it may be called 'civil war'. Smart guys know to be far away.
Then start shooting, motherfucker.
And start shooting NOW.
The relevance of this fact is that it's about 50 million on food stamps compared to, last I checked, 140 million workers. Nearing half the number of workers.
I'm almost ready to shrug.
Empires grow and so do programs, FOOD STAMP ASSISTANCE ... Free shit army ... please find new letters :(
They did this with social security, first it only for old people, then included survivors, then children, and then disabled, and now everybody, and so nobody gets it,
Orginally FSA was for the 'poor', but poor is now over 50% of the US public, what is poor now in the USA $24k/year? What do people make? Most make less than that.
I would be surprised of 90% of the US public didn't qualify for FSA.
Now FSA is so fucking big, and so easy to get the Free Shit Army has enlisted.
WRT to free shit army, ... lets just say that given you have to make like $72k/year plus, in order to have the lifestyle and subsidy ... I'm really surprised the majority aren't on the dole.
Anyways the fuckheads running the US gubmin made the deal, and the judges and cops are far worse than welfare ho's we're talking about ... and the MIL pensions, thats the mother fucking boondoggle of all,
FSA?
I'm not familiar with that outfit, what is it?
Free Slaves of America(love the disassociative meme)
Food Stamp Associates
Fast Streaking Antibiotics
Forward Slowly Ahead
I'm baffled Dirk, baffled i tell you.
BTW say hello to Susan for me. Tell her we named the bar after her.
Susie Q says Hello, and hopes your bar gets you drunk and laid as much as the 5th Fleet dropping anchor in Thailand on the way to Mark Faber's "establishment" for drinks and some $5 bill action ..
The 50 million strong Free Shit Army.....
Amen. We may have to redesign the "come and take it" flag with a cheeseburger on it...Keep your power dry and your families safe.
Ya'll know what strikes me as a damn shame? This fellow Tibbits is going to meet his fate at the hands of the very people he works to help.
Poor, misguided bastard! Give a man a fish... and all that.
,... just as an afterthought reading this post, it occurs to me that, there are many, many countries in the world that offer subsidized (piano-strings attac(k)[h]ed) sustenance. unfortunately, they're all in third-world fascist/ totalitarian countries! and yet here we are-- approx. one-third of the entire working population's is high on, 'Snap-Crack[les]-and, POP`py'... and no one cares (except for the awakening dead?)?!?
--and, just to elaborate on recent past history, as to why we're here:
britain (UK) leaves (reneges on,) it's {~}three-hundred-year-old 'gold standard' in 1931 under great duress following WWI, and we all know what followed less than a decade later (was it by design? laugh)-- WWII. the USA and it's allies form a 'Bretton [1946-71 bimetallic] Woods System', making America the world's new-hegemonic king. the greatest power on the planet and we'll earned i might add-- but, things do change rapidly when your on top with no competition honing one's success? by 1971 the US had blown it? Nixon reneges on 'bretton-woods' and america's 'gold-standard' and in just forty-years america is now on the 'FIAT' (paper backed faceless-digitized numbers and bytes, having no intrinsic value other than the full-faith of the Privatedly-Owned FRB'System') 'Toilet Paper Honour`Septic-System'?
finally, now after the korean, vietnam, bay-o-pigs, cold-war, afghanistan1, bosnia/croatia, irag1, 911, afghanistan2, iraq2, ###camp(africa's egypt)david's?, libya, syria, and perhaps iran were fucking broke!!! and, yet the people can get up (like clock work orange?) and off their fat-ass's... go out happy`faced when 'snappy' comes to the local po box'ez(?) they live-in-- only in america... where, ask not what you can do for your country, but rather... what you can you ass`rape the lathargic moribund-bum's of,... a once proud legacy of moral and uncompromising integrity that the world so admired!!! remember nixon, johnson, reagan, clinton, bush $41/$$43 and yours truly obama
Ps. (kennedy leave out of this?) ford and carter were just that... ok, but not of the above???
read here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-151013.html
"The birth of the 'de-Americanized' world" 10/15/13 by Pepe Escobar 'The Empirical Clairvoyant Wizard, the Awe,`TimeLord`' here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Others/Escobar.html enjoy :-))
thankyou Tyler
Earle:
Your thoughts make sense, but it is the equivalent of nails on a chalk-board to read. Some painful stuff. A few well placed cap letters and a bit less on the punctuation would be most appreciated.
tis my style to make you think well below and above the printed words, with {clues} hyperbolic inert screeching, if such is possible inside ones own cranium... abreast on the teat-ole-knowledge?
summary: we are here only because of our failed foreign policy and the cold-war neo-cons that foment endless wars bankrupting our country and worst legacy! it's that simple
the snap program is just the last hopes of a fail'd empire pacifying what's left of a once functional society before failure eclipe's all freedom of independense,... the precursor of anarchy-- think snowden, NSA, and controlled msm
hope i answered somethings? DD11 :-))
Earle:
Your points are well thought out and your point if view ( albeit painful at times) is appreciated.
Perhaps, this past weekend was a preplanned demonstration run of cutting off SNAP. Obey Barack, or be blamed for the consequences. Has Barack planned for unintended consequences for him? Luckily, its a climb to my fortress. Do leeches work well in teams? Can one leech trust another? Will the leeches storm Michelle's food garden for the broccoli?
I'm not sure what you people propose to do with the EBT beneficiaries, but you (generally, from what I've read above) are having a relative good/exciting time with their pain.
Don't forget to think about the fact that a decline includes just about everyone, and that at its roots is self-absorption.
Other than that -- enjoy the spectacle.
You do not detect real anguish about the state of this country on/from this forum? Many times cloaked in fine humour. Not hard to see if you try. Not supporting strong, relatively righteous people, and failing to celebrate them is a huge part of our problems.
They didn't look like they were in much pain trying to buy 10 carts of goodies with their EBT cards.
Rise above it.