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Tepper: "Fed Won't Taper For A Long Time", "Generally Speaking Market Will Go Up"

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Back on May 14, when the S&P was at 1651 or 50 points lower, and when David Tepper made his first book-talking, semi-annual CNBC appearance in which he "blessed the market and awaited the manufacturing renaissance", he made two points about the taper: it's bullish no matter what, namely its removal would mean the economy is improving (we now know it isn't thanks to the Fed and Q4 GDP estimates which are rapidly sliding to 2% or lower), while a taper staying put would mean the Fed would continue pumping stocks higher artificially indefinitely. Today, he did a repeat appearance, in which in addition to the usual market pumping rhetoric, everyone was most interested in how he would spin the recent stunner by the Fed which effectively made the taper a 2014 event. His take: "The Fed won't taper for a long time... So that's definitely sort of going to be a push-up to markets." Couldn't have said it better: but to paraphrase - Taper is bullish no matter what; No Taper is bullish-er.

Because once again, stripping all the rhetorical spin, Tepper once again admitted what even the Treasury has made clear: the stock market is nothing but a causal reflection of the Fed's linearly, and perpetually, growing balance sheet.

Tepper also preaches a 20x PE multiple as his fundamental guideline, which as everyone knows, Fed-induced multiple expansion in an environment in which neither revenues nor earnings are growing, is the only permissive factor for an ongoing market ramp. But why not 30x, or 40x or 50x? After all, since the Fed's balance sheet will hit $5 trillion at the end of December 2014, that implies roughly 2600 on the S&P, or a 26x multiple. Expect this talking point at the next Tepper appearance as he continues to guide his P&L multiples ever higher.

So what is the consensus gospel of which Tepper has become the main spokesman? Why the same one that everyone else, by implication, is so well aware of: the removal of the US default threat. "It looks like they may have a relatively short-term deal, which is going to not create the kind of confidence you might quite like... If you get a big broader budget deal, that would be great and markets could fly." Because it would mean unlimited monetization by the Fed for the indefinite future. His plea to Congress: don't default, but not for us, do it for the average guy. Obviously ignore that people like Tepper would be wiped out. That's completely irrelevant.

It is deep thoughts like these that explain why Tepper is richer than you.

 

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Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:35 | 4055560 ejmoosa
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Clueless....that son of a bitch is not looking out for any ordinary, average guy.

 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:39 | 4055571 hedgeless_horseman
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His take: "The Fed won't taper for a long time... So that's definitely sort of going to be a push-up to markets."

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:39 | 4055584 Bearwagon
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Yeah, you are so right, it makes me sick. And if real terms would matter anything at all, I think I'd know. Man, I think I'll just call it a day, anyways.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:43 | 4055590 GetZeeGold
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So how long do we keep confidence that any of this is worth jack crap?

 

Faith based is all good until you run out of faith.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:46 | 4055616 Bearwagon
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You ask me of all the people, about confidence? I don't want to dishearten anyone, but confidence has been gone for so long, I can't even remember how that felt. Faith based is good until a majority of other people run out of faith, too. You know, if you studied history, you aren't doomed to repeat it. You are doomed to helplessly stand by watch other people repeat it. And that's about all about that ...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:45 | 4055619 hedgeless_horseman
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how long do we keep confidence that any of this is worth jack crap...?

Most likely a very, very, long time.  Why?  Americans are fucking idiots.  After listening to the first 3 minutes of this  interview, most Americans still will not even think to question why 12 years later we are involved in the longest war in American history, having invaded Afghanistan because a bunch of Saudi Arabians allegedly flew jets into two NY office buildings (recently double insured) owned by a Jew, and three of the buildings were destroyed.*

 

"I arrested the joyful dancing Israelis."

 



*Hint: We did not invade a soverign nation, Afghanistan, and are still occupying it after more than 12 years, because a now deceased Saudi Arabian was hiding there.  Did we invade Pakistan when this very same Saudi Arabian was allegedly hiding out there?  No.  That wouldn't make sense, would it?  Allegedly, we sent a SEAL team into the sovereign nation of Pakistan to kill Osama, not capture him, eventhough he was unarmed and out numbered, then we immediately dumped his body into the ocean instead of questioning this terrorist mastermind about future terrorist attacks.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:51 | 4055871 fooshorter
Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:44 | 4055596 fonzannoon
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This guy Teper is one unbelievable cocksucker, which must have made it really confusing on set with the rest of them too busy trying to suck his to ask him a follow up question or two.

Like when he said if we defaut on our treasury obligations (which in itself was a retarded statement by this bald penis looking man) "everyone's mortgages will go up". I was completely shocked to hear that, because I have a fixed rate mortgage. So this was news to me. Unfortunately no one on there clarified what he meant by "everyone".

What an absolutely horrendous human being.

 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:49 | 4055618 Cursive
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@fonz

Agree with everything you said, but his comments and their lack of follow-up makes complete since when you realize that this is nothing but a PPT/Wall Street/Bankster propaganda channel.  He's basically Goldman's Miley Cyrus.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:52 | 4055634 fonzannoon
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You know what is scary Cursive? I bet there are a few decent baldheaded penis looking men out there who are good people just trying to do the right thing in life. But when the revolution comes and we are out looking for Liesman/Paulson/Tepper etc. there will be a lot of baldheaded guillotine friendly fire.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:57 | 4055659 Cursive
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@fonz

Holy shit!  Thanks for laugh.  Made my morning.  Stay thirsty my friend.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:03 | 4055674 Fredo Corleone
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"He's basically Goldman's Miley Cyrus."

A twerking Blankfein...indeed, that would present quite the image...

"Banzai ?...Banzai ?...Banzai ?"

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 13:53 | 4056772 PrDtR
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Thanks for the clarification.. I was wondering if I was looking at a FACE or an A _S _S .. now if he was twerking it was DEFINITELY an A _S _S !!! 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:55 | 4055648 FL_Conservative
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Fonz, I wish I could give you +100 for that one.

 

I hope Tepper keeps BTFD when the market run occurs and is the last one to find an exit.   Fucking low-life, scum-sucking asshole.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:05 | 4055684 Chupacabra-322
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Rep. Peter King is my Fucking low-life, scum-sucking asshole.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:57 | 4055651 drchris
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WTF is a moldible? Get the balls out of your mouth Teper! 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:49 | 4055620 yogibear
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Bernanke, Yellen, Dudley, Evans and Fisher all looking at the idea of going Zimbabwe and keep the QE juice going and increasing until they trigger a currency crisis,

Wall Street loves going Zimbabwe. Keeps stocks on that upward trend.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:07 | 4055691 moneybots
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Only 4,000,000?  I thought everyone in Zimbabwe was a billionaire.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:01 | 4055930 ATM
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I'm a Trillionaire in Zimbabwe. I have the bank note to prove it.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:02 | 4055935 ElvisDog
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Tepper is full of shit (big surprise). He said the Fed won't taper because of the government shutdown, but the decision not to taper was made weeks before the shutdown occurred. It's stunning (no, maybe not) that those two CNBC hosts don't call him on that.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:37 | 4055579 Eireann go Brach
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Fugly Fother Mucker! All those billions and you can still not buy a few hairs for your shiny head!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:04 | 4055933 ATM
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Bald is where it's at.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:21 | 4056030 ElvisDog
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See, here's the problem, when you have limited hair loss, you can go the hair restoration route. But when you are totally fucking bald like Tepper, there's nothing you can do. He doesn't have enough hair left to spread out over all that baldness. The only thing he could do would be toupee.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:37 | 4055569 slaughterer
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Tepper looks increasingly like he has Down's Syndrome.  

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:23 | 4056049 yogibear
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At least those with Down's Sydrome are sincre and honest. Not a lying low-life like this CNBS lap dog.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:35 | 4055570 Bearwagon
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Generally speaking: What goes up must not come down.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:44 | 4055575 banzai401
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Why in the FUCK does ZH post this shit? For what purpose? Blogger Fodder? But then why not masturbate before a Kardashian Poster?

The FED is like the Keystone Cop's and his bullet was the QE, and the there is no more Viagra for his gig, ... get over it folks.

When the end comes to AmeriKKKa it will be a whimper.

***

Yep, .. has there ever been a more clear 'sell' signal, .. I mean don't just sell, but run like fucking hell.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:45 | 4055614 SheepDog-One
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I also suspect the Fed's 5 years of QE bullshit has run out of steam, I don't care how much they insist it's gonna be bigger and better than ever I think one of these mornings it just implodes.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:52 | 4055626 agent default
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I heard Ben was checking out some helicopters yesterday.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:53 | 4055636 SheepDog-One
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Big deal, let him drop $20 trillion! So what? Lifetime of everything is now measured in minutes.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:39 | 4055581 401K of Dooom
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Must..... Clean....... Gunz.......!!!!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:41 | 4055585 the not so migh...
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for some reason i don't trust this guy 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:41 | 4055587 Blazed
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Been sayin for some time, no crashy yet, Wi Tu Lo!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:14 | 4055721 optimator
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Crash will come with 'net shutdown, no phone service, and wild, wild algos blocking the exit door.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:47 | 4055588 agent default
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Translation: Forget about soft landing to reality, forget about any landing for that matter, and don't bother bracing yourselves for impact either, because this baby will crash so hard your ass will be wrapped around your neck anyway.  

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:42 | 4055589 razorthin
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Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:47 | 4055621 buzzsaw99
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Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark,

Root of hemlock digg'd i' the dark,

Liver of blaspheming Jew,

Gall of goat, and slips of yew...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:41 | 4055595 Hulk
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Tepper: no Taper

Goldman: no gold

Me detects a pattern here...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:53 | 4055631 rationaldemocracy
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Zero Hedge: zero credibility

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:01 | 4055675 Charles Nelson ...
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is that you Taper?  I mean Tepper... or whateva the fuck your name is.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:53 | 4055873 rationaldemocracy
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I am afraid that I can't disclose my name here..rules after all..but that does not apply to mister William Banazai does it? I guess one rule for us little people trying to invest rationally and another for them "cucko-clock investors" who are the contributers to ZH  (:

 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:12 | 4055712 buzzsaw99
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words from a guy with a bag over his head. lulz lulz lulz

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:29 | 4055789 Bearwagon
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I doubt that it's a guy ..

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:25 | 4055759 orangegeek
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who writes your material?  pure fucking genius.

 

now go.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:44 | 4055599 Lincolns Mullet
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No tapering because a Cat 4 Typhoon heading directly for Fukushima:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oj8lQoHuPI&feature=share

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:44 | 4055610 GetZeeGold
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Aw.....crap.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:00 | 4055671 krispkritter
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Crap...meet fan.  They're only going to dodge so many bullets.  Problem is, we get to bleed right along with them...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:42 | 4055602 Cursive
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You know what would be great TV?  If Sara Eisen took her dildo and shoved it up Tepper's ass.  (Not that I'd watch, I'd just like to see Kernan and Quick's reaction)

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:08 | 4055703 Tippoo Sultan
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What was that black object nestled between her legs, anyway ?

Smile, baby - you're on candid camera.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:45 | 4055604 SheepDog-One
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So then....when things ARE actually improving (if ever) then 'markets' will go down?

I'm not betting on this 'markets just climb forever, we got this shit artificially' stuff at all myself.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:44 | 4055608 surf0766
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They will never tapper. We are well past that point. 1932 is just around the corner.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:51 | 4055609 onewayticket2
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"You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast

Look out the saints are comin’ through
And it’s all over now, [Red, White and] Baby Blue"

 

-bob dylan

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:47 | 4055611 orangedrinkandchips
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They are desperate to bring out this ugly muther fucker. 

 

Have to keep this market up. Shorts gets fried. longs laugh. we all lose in the end.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:47 | 4055612 KenShabby
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This dude is A Fucking Fraud.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:47 | 4055615 Osmium
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He's a pig eyed sack of shit.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:01 | 4055678 krispkritter
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That sir, is an insult to pigs and bags of shit everywhere...

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:49 | 4055623 SheepDog-One
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Talk of 'markets FLYING' on a 'deal' and all this shit....I think they're desperate to keep people in, that's all.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:51 | 4055624 Dr. Engali
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The markets and the real economy have ntothing to do with each other. The S&P 500 policy tool will not be allowed to fall until such time as TPTB are ready. That is all that you need to know.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:50 | 4055628 yogibear
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The boys are all looking at Zimbabwe's stock market index. What exponential increase. Go for it.  The Fed can have it's massive inflation to boot.

A dictator/Hitler for the US when it all crashes.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:53 | 4055638 khakuda
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A few months back, he said the Fed had to taper because the deficit was coming down and they didn't want to buy more than the deficit amount.  What has become clear to the Fed and Tepper is that they can't taper QE.  In fact, they may have to increase it or come up with other tricks if they want the asset bubbles to keep building, which they do.  They want asset prices to outperform fundamentals, so why not late 90s style multiples?  It ends in a crash and economic hardship and dislocation, but they really don't care.  Have printer, will print.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:53 | 4055639 Zer0head
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David Tepper

Billionaire tears down $43,500,000.00 Hamptons house because he didn't have 'enough ocean views'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1393974/Billionaire-David-Tepper...

 

(suffice to say you cannot begin to even imagine the lifestyle and that was in 2011)

 

 

 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:06 | 4055944 Blankenstein
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Looks like the house also had a sordid past.

 

"Mr Tepper, 53, reportedly bought the estate at 239 Gibson Ln in 2010 from Joanne Dougherty, the ex-wife of former New Jersey Governor and former U.S. Senator Jon Corzine, according to Southhampton Patch."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1393974/Billionaire-David-Tepper-tears-43-5million-Hamptons-house-build-one.html#ixzz2hnqiZvgY 
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Tue, 10/15/2013 - 09:53 | 4055641 FreeNewEnergy
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In the future, guys like Tepper will look like dinner to crazed mobs.

He, and just about every other "guest" on CNBS are total shills for the klpetocracy and are dead wrong on where everything is headed. Complete collapse is a mathematical certainty. Of course, the media assumes nobody understands math, so they sell their own version of snake oil to the public.

Yesterday, I publicly and loudly withdrew my consent from the federal government. I am now only - and reluctantly - governed by the laws of New York State and my local municipalities, but soon, they too will be devoid of any power to govern.

We are all on our own now, truly and without allegiances except to our families and closest friends and neighbors. What many here have been seeking is now coming to pass and, as expected, it is frightening, not for what we face individually, but for those who are unprepared.

Those who have been vigilant will be under siege for years.

With guys like Tepper saying essentially, "it's all good," when the reality speaks nothing of the sort, the vigilant and intelligent among us are likely to be targets for blame, but we must remain steadfast and resolute, and, as all around us is disintegrating, must begin to plan and prepare for a better future.

IF you can keep your head when all about you 
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

-- from "If" by Rudyard Kipling

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:00 | 4055661 BullyBearish
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Rampa Thon in 3, 2, 1........................

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:09 | 4055695 q99x2
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He is right. He is from Pittsburgh. Stock indexes are FED software. And the rest of us are slaves to criminal banksters.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:09 | 4055698 optimator
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Almost Bankster Bonus time, they need even a bigger increase this year for their cost of living expenses! 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:11 | 4055711 khakuda
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Any reading of history will show that once the central bank goes down the road the Fed is now on, there is no turning back.  The economy gets addicted to free money and can't function without it.  To associate lack of tapering with deficit ceiling concerns isn't fully correct, it's more of an excuse.  They couldn't have tapered anyway.  Rates went up, housing slowed down and taper went off the table.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:15 | 4055717 MFLTucson
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I never heard such a fuckin idiot in my life.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:23 | 4055755 Spastica Rex
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Must keep moving wealth up the pyramid. Must keep Walmart Americans from revolting.

Doing a damn fine job!

(Count De Monet: Sire - it is said that the peasants are revolting! King: You said it, they stink on ice.)

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:25 | 4055771 orangegeek
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David Tepper is a fucking cartoon!!!

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:56 | 4055891 optimator
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Cartoon out of "Die Sturmer" magazine.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:06 | 4055951 lynnybee
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I listened to Mr. Tepper speak, i listened to that CNBC video clip.   Why do i feel like i'm being scammed & lied to ?   he is certainly a smooth fast talker, reminds me of Blankfein.  

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:25 | 4056075 yogibear
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CNBS seems to have this pool of lap dogs ready at a moment's notice when the CNBS producer snaps his finger.

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:40 | 4056140 QQQBall
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So multiples are a reciprocal of interest rate. Shit, this money management is easy. 

Tue, 10/15/2013 - 13:01 | 4056504 Rathmullan
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tepper is the embowelment of "Better Lucky". Like those 3 lines and 3 martini stock brokers chanting "don't fight the fed".

tepper is so ugly he'd fit right in as a cnbc correspondent. Long time? As in January? But who cares about time frames when everything (taper or taper NOT!) is bullish.

Yep. Money management is easy! Just suck up to the statists and don't stray too far from the herd. Don't have to be a genius to make money off of other people's money, just be lazy.

Wed, 10/16/2013 - 05:10 | 4059587 tlil5774
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What am amazing lack of respect this forum shows for one of the greatest money-makers of all time......

 

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