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Chart Of The Day: Entitlement Nation, Now And Forever

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The following items comprise what is defined as the key Non-Defense Discretionary Spending (NDDS) components of government outlays:

  • Job training and worker dislocation programs
  • All elementary, secondary and higher education
  • Health research and training
  • Consumer and occupational health and safety
  • Federal law enforcement and Federal judicial system
  • Pollution control and abatement
  • Air, ground and water transportation (FAA, Coast Guard)
  • US Army Corps of Engineers
  • General science research, NASA
  • Energy R&D and demonstration projects
  • NIH/CDC spending on disease control and bioterrorism
  • International drug control and law enforcement

Why do we bring it up? Because the following chart shows the ratio of historical and projected government spending on entitlements - these are self-explanatory - to all the non-defense discretionary items listed above. It shows a disturbing trend.

Why is the trend troubling? Jpm's Michael Cembalest explains in his latest note:

With a deal in place, we can get back to financial markets and investments for a while. Before doing so, here’s why I have some Sympathy for the Devil (e.g., House members who initially balked at a debt ceiling increase). No question, default is a very bad idea... However, there’s an undercurrent to US fiscal dynamics that is striking. The chart shows dollars spent on entitlements for every dollar spent on non-defense discretionary spending (NDDS). This latter category includes education, infrastructure, energy R&D, law enforcement and a wide range of other things that affect the productivity and the general well-being of the US economy (see table), not just today but into the future. The entitlements-to-NDDS ratio is already at an all-time high, and is headed for the stratosphere during the next few years according to CBO projections.

In addition to the obvious question of how the US will fund these unsustainable payments, Cembalest has a few additional questions:

  • Is this what the designers of entitlement programs initially envisioned?
  • Is there a point at which progressive politicians would be concerned about this shift, and if so, at what ratio? If you were a fiscal conservative in the mold of the now defunct Democratic Leadership Council, how would you view this?
  • How is parliamentary democracy affected when 100% of government revenues are already committed to mandatory programs, leaving legislators little spending left to fight over without running large deficits?
  • What does the table on the next page suggest about the likelihood of the Affordable Care Act really being deficit-neutral by the time all of its actual costs are tallied up?

And still another: can one mention these issues and not be branded a retrograde Hooverite for doing so? I still believe we will see some kind of grand bargain within the next 3-5 years (but not during this Presidency) which will broaden the tax base (means-tested limitations on the ability to deduct mortgage interest, state/local taxes, charitable contributions and perhaps a modest Federal tax on municipal bonds) in exchange for some kind of effective curtailments in the entitlement system, of which there have been few to speak of since their inception.

* * *

Or not, and as deficit spending explodes once again after the near-term lull in 2014-2016 as per CBO projections and then goes stratospheric, all the incremental debt needs to fund government spending is monetized by the Fed, leading to even great wealth disparity between the 0.7% which now control $100 trillion of all the world's assets and everyone else, until it is not the Fed's balance sheet but social cohesion which ultimately snaps and ends this great monetarist experiment.

Then again, maybe this time it is different and the central planners will find a way to refute every single law of mathematics and physics in their attempt to refute two thousands years of common sense. We can't wait to find out.


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Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:27 | 4065348 maskone909
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sorry kyle but it looks like usa will crack before japan

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:36 | 4065393 Renewable Life
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OMG how are we going to take three more years of this shit????

Then they'll just take the crown off his head and crown Hillary next!! Isn't it time to start talking about democratically breaking this bitch up?? Texas, are you there??

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:45 | 4065428 Ham-bone
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gotta give it to the Fed since '08, they truly are amazing...consider:

National debt increased from $10 T to $17 T

Interest payable on the debt decreased from $454 billion to $432 billion (as of '12, likely lower still in '13)...pretty neat trick

All while GDP "increased" by $2 T despite the growth in debt by $7 T

The dollar has maintained it's value vis-a-vis other currency's trading in the middle of a range going back to '04 (hi of 92, low of goldilocksian 80'ish)...dollar has maintained value vis-s-vis gold only up from $1000'ish in '08 to $1300'ish now

Stock market all time highs

Bond yields low and still in long term descending lows on 10yr aren't out of the question

The owners of the Fed are making record profits and record bonuses

Above charts suggest record recipients on everything .gov related

Hate the Fed but gotta say the Evil Empire has won the last 5 yrs...just cause it's evil and unsustainable doesn't mean it's gonna end anytime soon???

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:46 | 4065447 maskone909
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anyone else get an erie feeling when the MSM continues to mention "USA losing its reserve currency status", yet will hardley mention gold?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:52 | 4065463 Bobbyrib
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They're just saying that to address people who actually know anything about economics concern. I don't think that will happen for another few years at least.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:53 | 4065473 James_Cole
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Hmmmmmm maybe it has something to do with this?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:34 | 4065713 Boris Alatovkrap
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<-- Bad News = Obamanomic is crush USSA

<-- Good News = Not wait full 3 year balance of Obama term

Consider every dollar US Soviet Style government is extracting of private sector, every dollar move to bloated government bureaucracy, is double move toward supremacy of State over Individual. This is how serfdom is appear.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:44 | 4065762 Johnbrown
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Obamacare gives you a choice. Gold, silver, bronze, platinum...

"What would it look like if we had the same type of option for national defense?"

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:55 | 4065793 Boris Alatovkrap
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Cartoon on page is have very smart funny! LOL, Boris again to spray CRT with evening demitasse of libation...

Small child to Obama: "Daddy is say you are spy on all Amerikan..."

Obama to small child: "He is not your real daddy."

(Boris is explain, Obama is read interparty email communication between mother of small child and is to discern actual paternal parentage is not same as small child is perceive as "daddy", expose by ironic humor depth of government intrusion in private life of citizenry.)

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:28 | 4065976 GeezerGeek
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What would it look like if we had the same choices for backing the currency we use?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 16:48 | 4066572 Chuck Walla
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Obamacare gives you a choice. Gold, silver, bronze, platinum...

Or Medicaid.  Boris is right, this how serfdom arrives. On the gentle wings of "We want to help you". This after decades of only helping themselves. Ask Trumpka how that's working out.


Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:54 | 4065477 DoChenRollingBearing
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I should have brought a lot more money with me down here on this trip...

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:37 | 4065732 Boris Alatovkrap
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Too bad you are not have Federal Reserve CTL-P keyboard. Poor you who are not private held central bank.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:51 | 4065807 max2205
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Don't forget that Barry is still operating as if there is a peace dividend to offset spending...we'll see

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:57 | 4065849 Boris Alatovkrap
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Pre WWIII peace dividend is quick to evaporate when drum of war is beat. Remember, all war is Central Bank War, by design.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:54 | 4065478 James_Cole
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 "USA losing its reserve currency status", yet will hardley mention gold?

MSM aside, someone seems to have got the memo today.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:06 | 4065537 Renewable Life
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Jamie Dimon got the memo, if you've been following their letters to some business account holders, sent Oct 11th, stating they will jot allow any international wire transfers after Nov 17th!!!

Wonder what that could be about?? Ohhhhh I'm sure nothing:)

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:39 | 4065742 Boris Alatovkrap
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Jamie Dimon and Lord Blankfein daily conference with Lucifer, have "hot" line from hell - no memo is of necessary.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:49 | 4065455 fonzannoon
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and to piggy back that Ham-bone QE will not only assure this continues but it will collapse yields even further from here. So interest payable could even drop even as the debt climbs.

That is why this is about the dollar, and only the dollar. The rest of the world has to reject it. So far they are too busy devaluing their own currencies along with it to worry about rejecting it.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:57 | 4065494 Ham-bone
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Fonz - yup, the points of vulnerability for all the mis-invested capital and dilution of dollar holders should be bonds or dollars or both. 

But logic is not our friend here and there appears to be no one that's gonna hold the US's feet to the fire.  TIC data shows foreigners have stalled at record highs in their ownership of US debt but I have to admit that's more likely a result of lower debt (lower issuance) coupled w/ ongoing QE...but there is no sell-off of US debt and no significant dollar weakness. 


Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:47 | 4065777 Boris Alatovkrap
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When creditor is shackle with debtor, bluster is aside, cannot sell-off.

HOWEVER, chaos bifurcation scenario demonstrative flash point is come where captive creditor is sever appendage with hack saw rather to sink with shackle partner debtor.

... but what is Boris know, is still shackle to lazy in-law family share apartment leave underwear on floor, drink Boris reserve of Stolichnaya...

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 10:07 | 4068516 dunce
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There is often talk of other countries selling off our debt, but to who and at what discount?? It seems China could break our bank at any time by dumping our debt on the market all at once. Our interest rates would spike even if we could find a fool to take our IOUs. Theirs might well wind up the new reserve currency. Our fed could only hold a circle jerk in response.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 12:31 | 4073581 BooMushroom
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Our fed could also call up several journalists and politicians, remind them of the skeletons in their closets, and tell them that such an action was causus belli.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:26 | 4066263 Professorlocknload
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"So interest payable could even drop even as the debt climbs."

Interest is considered usury in progressive circles. As you said, fonz, this ends at nationalization of all financial markets, bonds included. Hud already pretty much controls the mortgage markets. Incrementalism on parade here.

The mantra will sound something like "Looky here people, the markets can't police themselves so we here at gumnut need to police it all. Turn in all your wealth and we will assure your welfare from cradle to grave."

So, what the hell is new here? Just another dying empire. Good thing about the failure of big spending republicans to rein in the big spending democrats is, now the process will accelerate, and we can move into the next faze of this "Really Big Shooo." 

The fuse is lit. Sit on cash, or get real.



Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:57 | 4065493 Renewable Life
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Yep those ARE the facts and its been 5 years! 7T in 5 years, so at this rate will need to continue to ramp NOT maintain the flow, in order to hold down interest rates, which is what this is all about in QE. Which will drive oil to 150-200 a barrel, food cost planet wide thru the roof, and god knows what else?

So 25-30T by 2018, who's buying that shit at 2.5% 10 yrs???? When it goes, rates will double or triple overnight and it will go fast! 3-5 years is all this bitch has left in a perfect world!!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:00 | 4065506 fonzannoon
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By 2018 the fed will own the bond market outright and eliminate it. There will be no UST market in 5 years. The fed and the treasury will have complete control of the monetary spigot.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:10 | 4065572 Renewable Life
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And what will happen to the 10T in treasuries owned outside the country or in Instituations globally, banks etc??????

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:15 | 4065607 fonzannoon
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they will either mature or if they sell the fed will buy them. More likely they will be hoarded by the owners once it becomes apparent what is going on.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:31 | 4066278 Professorlocknload
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More than likely, those 10 year treasuries will become worth their intrinsic value. What's paper worth today, maybe $112 a ton?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:12 | 4065588 Ham-bone
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Fonz - I have to admit I posted some bad data recently as it was 2nd hand...anyway, seemed strange so I've re-figured based on first hand info...Looking at Treasury debt distribution of $12 T public outstanding debt (see TD link they have a lot further to go w/ QE than I anticipated @ current QE and Treasury issuance:

Bills - $1.5 T

Notes - $7.8 T

Bonds - $1.4 T

TIPS - $1 T

Fed only owns $2.2 T of the $10+ T Notes/Bonds/TIPS public net ouflows in 2013 (-$40 Billion Jan-July) of foreigners from Treasury debt (according to TIC data... after huge inflows from '08-'12 ($500-$750 Billion anually... logical Fed's QE coupled w/ lower Treasury issuance is soaking up Treasury's and foreigners need not continue increasing but certainly maintaining nearly record holdings.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:17 | 4065629 fonzannoon
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"they have a lot further to go w/ QE than I anticipated"

I hear you man. I don't think they are very concerned about it. 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:36 | 4065726 Ham-bone
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Even more amazing - looking at all major commodities...nearly all are trading in the middle of their '08-'13 range.  Only a couple near the upper end of range (Lumber, cattle).  Everything else moving in the middle of peaks / troughs including oil, gold, silver, sugar, cotton, wheat, etc. etc.).   Trillions being created but the old problem of directing those dollars to the assets you want to inflate (stock market, housing, bonds) and avoid peripheral bubbles...somebody has really got a handle on it now!!!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:40 | 4065747 fonzannoon
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Hambone I was fortunate to get an in depth lecture on this offline by someone who was booted from here. I give you a lot of credit for coming to these conclusions on your own. I needed the mental shove.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:15 | 4065923 Ham-bone
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I get off-line lectures but more typically from my wife asking "all this may be so...and then what?  why will any of it end?  and when?"?  I've got no reply.  Chick is too smart.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:15 | 4065924 Trucker Glock
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"Stock market all time highs"

Nominal highs, not inflation adjusted (even using deflated "official" CPI)

The stock markets are boat anchors with no ropes that will fall overboard at some point.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:01 | 4065508 Itch
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Texas? What like, the Alamo or something? 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:14 | 4065598 Jumbotron
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"Then they'll just take the crown off his head and crown Hillary next!! Isn't it time to start talking about democratically breaking this bitch up?? Texas, are you there??"

Too late for the democratic option.  It's going to break apart from sheer the Titanic.

Seriously.....there is a theory floating around that at a certain size companies need to break apart into smaller wholly owned entities to stay nimble.  I think.....if memory serves me... it is somewhere between 60 to 150 people.  And I think.....again....if memory serves me that this theory was based on Buckminster Fuller's theories.'s inevtiable....America is heading for the crash and breakup.  I've been prognosticating for 5 years based on other data than this set of data above that around 2020 give or take a couple of years its the BIG CRASH/CRACKUP.

This data set only reenforces my feeling about that time frame.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:23 | 4065664 Uber Vandal
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Sort of like this map of what a former KGB agent thought the US would look like around 2010?




Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:00 | 4066135 Jumbotron
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As for a rough sketch.....yeah I agree with this guy.  I saw this when it first came out....and have seen other maps of this sort before that were roughly saying the same thing.  But we've been Balkinized since the Founding.....Northern Blue Bloods vs the Southern Lowland Agrarians.  It just so happened to be a primarily one race Balkinization......of ideas.'s the chaos of the "melting pot" where hardly anything gets melted into a coherent American Identity regardless of race, color, creed, or nationality.

You combine no national identity with rampant corruption and profligate spending amongst 300 million people and no one should be surprised that it blows up somewhere down the road.

Oh look......sign says we're almost there.



Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:28 | 4065682 Renewable Life
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By "democratically" I mean the people of Texas vote for secession and establish their own Country! They are uniquely positioned to do so, and could lead the way, IMO Alaska should do the same!!! Those two have the grassroots movements already in place, and I have family in Texas and if anyone doesn't think they aren't talking about it at the highest levels, your dreaming!!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:43 | 4065756 Jumbotron
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"By "democratically" I mean the people of Texas vote for secession and establish their own Country! They are uniquely positioned to do so, and could lead the way, IMO Alaska should do the same!!! Those two have the grassroots movements already in place, and I have family in Texas and if anyone doesn't think they aren't talking about it at the highest levels, your dreaming!!"

You're dreaming if enough people go from the talking (uselessly bitching) stage and to actually get enough people and politicians to formally seceed.  Will never happen.....until of course maybe after the Big Crash.

But trust me.....the Federal Leviathan has so many hooks into Texas and Texans that even if you get CLOSE to pulling the pin.....the pols and prols will get the heebee-geebees about ALL that money they will lose, not to mention the full faith and credit of the NSA, the FEDERAL RESERVE, the IRS, the HSA, the Transportation Department, HUD....E V E R Y B O D Texas Copperheads inside the state doing everything they can to disrupt......NOT TO MENTION MEXICO SENDING OVER THEIR BEST AND BRIGHTEST TERRORISTS.....(at the behest of American Progressives <ahem....that's just an unproven allegation> ) in order to muddy up the waters as well.

Nope....sorry rootin' tootin''re stuck with the rest of us in Prison Planet until the Collapse.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:27 | 4065349 LetThemEatRand
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Fuck it.  I'm either going to start cooking meth or collecting government benefits.  Then again, I hear you can do both so even better.  I guess this is what they mean when they say "you can't fight the Fed."

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:32 | 4065374 tmosley
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Why not do both?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:43 | 4065434 tarsubil
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I kinda wonder. You figure prostitutes and drug dealers have no official income so the best thing to do is get on welfare.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:57 | 4065496 DoChenRollingBearing
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LTER and tmosley,

Yeah, you have to wonder whether TPTB want us to do both of those.  They are trying as hard as they can do discourage productive activity.

And now JPM wants to lock up all money in their accounts.

"Someting wicked this way comes."

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:54 | 4065476 Itch
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It dont matter either way, China is picking up the bill. (muttley snigger)

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:08 | 4065554 El Vaquero
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Will we see the day that Obamacare pays for Medical Marijuana?  If so, and if you live in a state that has medical marijuana laws on the books, it would be much safer to grow than it is to cook meth, and, you'd be getting indirect subsidies via Obamacare.  I'm just trying to help you out here. 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:39 | 4066308 Professorlocknload
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Hear tell there's no cash shortage on the streets of Humboldt County California. Jus' sayin'

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:30 | 4065362 fonzannoon
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"we can get back to financial markets and investments for a while."

WTF does this guy mean by that?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:32 | 4065371 maskone909
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he means, "Hey maraia B., you stank ass bitch!  Get back to pumping stocks, we are on the verge of taking a 1% hit for fucks sake!"

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:40 | 4065415 RSloane
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No idea what he meant but it suggests he thinks it stopped. Maybe he was on vacation and thought everyone else was too.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:32 | 4065373 Save_America1st
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This is bad, right?  It sounds pretty bad.  But that might just be the lapse in fluoride content in my system since I started drinking pure water.  I'm sure that will be against the law one day soon too...

go back to sleep everybody...nothing to see here. 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:55 | 4065484 Itch
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Thats the spirit.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:33 | 4065382 corporatewhore
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what about corporate welfare? religious organizations not paying property taxes etc?  everybody is in on the take.

and the hypocrisy of those millionaire teabaggers who want everything taken away after they've made a fortune from all the taxbreaks available?  God forbid, anyone else take advantage of this mess.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:42 | 4065426 GeorgeHayduke
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Hey now, socialism for the wealthy and dog-it-dog, so-called free markets for everyone else is the American Way! Most folks are so bought into that system, they'll never allow anyone to mention it in all those folks that down-voted your post.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:00 | 4065505 corporatewhore
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they just don't like hearing the truth.  glad you are enlightened to recognize the fraud.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:18 | 4065637 flattrader
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Yes...Privitize the profits...Socialize the losses...More Tax Increment Financing for Big Box stores to put Mom and Pop out of business.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:43 | 4065435 Renewable Life
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Please tell me your lost, and you thought you typed in or

Because no one sounding as stupid as you do, could be on this site on purpose?? Now go back and suck on Cramers dick and replug that cord back into your head, it's sooooo much more peaceful and utopian in the Matrix, you don't want to hang out to long in reality, it might make it harder to get back on that rat wheel and run!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:44 | 4065439 SimMaker
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Just shut your fucking yap and hand over everything you have to the stupid slave.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:00 | 4066136 Protokletos
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Careful or you'll make ZeroHedge's collective mind explode.  Good points.  

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:35 | 4065389 Pairadimes
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Get back to work, you worthless bastards! Who the fuck do you think is going to pay for this?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:50 | 4065459 Save_America1st
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LOL...exactly.  The Free-Shit Army needs its slaves working overtime, bitchez!!!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:55 | 4065479 eclectic syncretist
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Dammit Bernanke, you stupid motherfucker!  Rearrange those deck chairs faster, you asshole.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:57 | 4065489 Itch
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It aint me babe, no no no, it aint me babe, it aint me your paying for, babe. 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:48 | 4065791 Dudeskis
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Very sorry! I forgot my place. Last year I was only able to let you steal $24k of my salary. I promise I'll do better this year!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:37 | 4065397 Rainman
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The gubmint budgets as accurately as Mrs. Rainman. This is not good.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:43 | 4065411 GeorgeHayduke
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I like how they label this as non-defense spending as though that's where ALL of the entitlements lie. Defense spending is riddle with entitlements too. Like the army guy I heard a couple weeks ago complaining that his wife didn't want to have another kid (they have 3 already) when it would cost them only about $5 to have the kid AND he would get a pay raise for having another dependent.

Let's also add the President's Working Group on Financial Markets as an entitlement outfit. Their entitlements go toward "investors" who likely see themselves as so much superior to all those other folks getting their entitlements.

How about all those farm subsidy entitlements to farmers in red states who hate those welfare queens in the city?

Face it, the entitlements spread far and wide. In fact, all of this bitching and moaning about entitlements is just one more way the owners keep us fighting each other instead of focusing on their entitlements and manipulations.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:48 | 4065453 SimMaker
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SO you are just a hypocrytical cunt yes? Talking shit about " owners keep us fighting each other "..,..yet you are so fucking retarded you bitch about the army guy at the head of your post.


Do you ever look in the mirror and see your enemey staring back at you? Becasue you really are that stupid, thats why the rest of the nation has to feed your sorry ass. You are what you seem to hate.......


You left wingers really are thick as shit, no wonder you need to be fed, clothed and housed with EBT.....I'm amazed you can wipe your own ass.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:34 | 4065709 corporatewhore
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did we forget our medication today?

he's just pointing out how the entire system is taking advantage of entitlements unless you can't understand his point (which it seems you can't).  Leftwinger?  No, just disgusted realist.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:39 | 4065413 ImpotentRage
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Keep kicking the can down the road. I mean it. As long as the system doesn't collapse until I am entirely self-sufficient and off the grid (few more years...), I'm fine with it...

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:42 | 4065430 LukeWorm
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The US is becoming European ;-)

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:43 | 4065432 KidHorn
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It will all be paid for with printed money. Every other nation will do the same thing.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:44 | 4065436 q99x2
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Up my FASFA so I can be an independent individual. I need better tutors. The one I have now looks like Harpo Marx and she's mean.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:44 | 4065440 Inthemix96
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Anyone else getting that feeling that they dont belong in this paradigm??

This is almost light-headedly surreal, so fucking insane, the shit we ALLOW these 'Elected' retards to get away with?

I seriously believe I dont belong here, I just dont fit in.

Anyone else feel this way, or am I fucking losing it?????

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:57 | 4065491 Skateboarder
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I too come from a better place, or at least one with more balls. Don't worry, someday we'll go back, dead or alive.

Black Sabbath - Falling Off the Edge of the World

"I think about closing the door
And lately I think of it more
I'm living well out of my time
I feel like I'm losing my mind

I should be at the table round
A servant of the crown
The keeper of the sign
To sparkle and to shine

Never! No, never again!
Listen to me and believe what I say if you can
Never, this is the end
You know I've seen the faces of doom and I'm only a man

Help me, tell me I'm sane
I feel a change in the earth, in the wind and the rain
Save me, take me away
You know I've seen some creatures from hell and I've heard what they say!

I've got to be strong
Oh, I'm falling off the edge of the world
Think you're safe, but you're wrong!
We are falling off the edge of the world!

Look out, there's danger! Nowhere to run!
It seems like desperate measures but sometimes it has to be done
Over, it's over at last
There's a message inside as we build a new life from the past

We're falling off the edge of the world!
Yes, the edge of the world!
It's the end of the world!"

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:04 | 4065524 Itch
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Thats a classic, he even gets that stuff to rhyme, genius.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:09 | 4065908 Skateboarder
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Dio knows how to capture reality in [metaphorical] words without fucking it up. THe boss,. RIP.

"There's a corner of the mind
With a door that always
Opens up at sundown
And what's inside is to remind you
To hide from eyes that shine"

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:05 | 4065531 Itch
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"This is almost light-headedly surreal, so fucking insane, the shit we ALLOW these 'Elected' retards to get away with?"


It sounds like you have a real handle on these matters.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:47 | 4065450 Fix-ItSilly
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This is an immature, inaccurate column misrepresenting the historical economic relationship between American age demographic groups.  There is $3T socked away for Social Security in the form of Treasurys to pay for the ratio rise.  That is more than the holdings of Japan and China put together.


Why is the author spreading fear by not acknowledging the balance sheet item  is there to offset the expected, planned rise in entitlements?  That balance sheet item (Social Security holdings of Treasury debt) helped paid for the education, feeding and safety of today's youth.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:58 | 4065490 HelluvaEngineer
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wtf do you think this is HuffPo?  You're about to get destroyed.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:59 | 4065499 insanelysane
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That money was spent already in the 80's, 90's, and 00's.  As much as politicians want to tell you it is there, it isn't.  I believe we crossed that Rubicon in 2010 or 11.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:44 | 4065763 Fix-ItSilly
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These responses are off point.  There is an entitlement liability, which the article's chart represents - but the chart does not reflect that the liability has a corresponding balance sheet entity to pay for a good chuck of the entitlements.  Therefore, the plot curve's rise is misrepresenting the historical context.  As for whether the collected taxes, represented in the form of Treasurys, can be collected - well,,,  the answer is that everyone's Treasurys should receive the same haircut.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:19 | 4065942 Bob Sacamano
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And I thought the Al Gore lock-box myth had been thoroughly discredited. 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:59 | 4065501 Itch
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Obama is paying for it.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:04 | 4065527 LibertarianMenace
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OK, see if you can follow this: It's 2021, and time to liquidate your $3T in bonds. The money printer will be the only buyer. One hopes you'll now be able to think the rest through on your own.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:44 | 4065766 SmallerGovNow2
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SS is a pay as you go program, there is no money in the lockbox, just more bullshit promises...

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 16:10 | 4066450 Nick Jihad
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MDB_, is that you?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:49 | 4065456 halfawake
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" exchange for some kind of effective curtailments in the entitlement system, of which there have been few to speak of since their inception." That's cute.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:55 | 4065485 insanelysane
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I think it ends within 2 presidential cycles.  The majority is already the non tax paying free shit army.  They will continue to elect people that pass out the free shit at record rates.  The last time the Dems controlled both houses, they didn't touch the budget because they knew it was radioactive.  The next time, they won't be so cautious.  They will push the levers too far to be saved by the Fed, wealth confiscation, and even war.  Within that time, the wealthy will be off-shoring.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:57 | 4065492 AlamoJack
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Hey jouralists, don't lump SS and Medicare into ENTITLEMENTS.  I was required upon pain and suffering by the US GOV and IRS to pay for this BS.  Don't come back with "Your employer paid for you too...."  Nothing but extreme horse$hit being blown from anyone who says it.  I ALWAYS PAID ALL OF THAT MONEY.  It came right off the top of my salary and mark-up.  Now, if I get any of it back (I'm mid 60's), it will be freakin' worthless.  We all know that, just let NO MAN go unscathed or uncorrected if they blabber that happy crap.

Burma Shave

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:26 | 4065677 Sorynn
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Sorry Burma, but you were just born into the ponzi.  Just because you were compeled via force to hand your money over via the Social Security tax, does not mean it is not a Ponzi.  It does not mean it is not an entitlement.

SS is a pay-go system.  All collections go into the general funds and are spent. 

The propaganda is strong, but in the next couple years all the promisess will be broken.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:58 | 4065497 Save_America1st
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FOOD STAMP RECRUITERS!!!!????  I'd say those are definitely representative of our 800,000 NON-Essential gooberment employees, ay???  Fuckers!!!

Florida has these vile creatures all over the place.  I'd love for one of them to come up to me pimpin' this Free-Shit Army bullshit.  That person is going to leave my presence crying uncontrolably and hopefully a little suicidal when I get done with them...fuckers...

REPORT: 'Food stamp recruiters' have monthly quota of 150 recipients...


Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:59 | 4065503 involuntarilybirthed
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Republicans are finally discovering that free is a hard agenda to beat.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:45 | 4065770 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Republicans are finally discovering that free is a hard agenda to beat.

I think you mean Libertarians.  

"Conservatives" fought 2 wars against the sand people for free.   I think the "citizens" were told to act normal and go shopping and the wars would pay for themselves.

"Conservatives" are as duplicitous as the "Liberals" are.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:36 | 4065724 Spastica Rex
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It's a good thing that only poor to lower-middle class whites and minorities feel entitled. Can you imagine what it would be like if everybody felt entitled?! O. M. G.

Tell you what, though: I am so pissed at what I had to pay to fill up my F350 King Ranch the other day. Don't even get me started talking about my ski boat.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:42 | 4065754 NOTaREALmerican
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Git yer hands off my Medicare.   I'm entitled to that free hip replacement surgery,  go in cut that socialism we can't afford!!!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:54 | 4065828 Kreditanstalt
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And why isn't "defence" spending discretionary too?


Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:07 | 4065897 Spastica Rex
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Because Raytheon is entitled.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:14 | 4065926 starman
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United Salves of America 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:14 | 4065929 Bob Sacamano
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The Left's easiest solution to the graph problem:  Crank up the Non-Defense Discretionary Spending (NDDS). 

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 14:29 | 4065979 dot_bust
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You want to get rid of Medicare? Fine. Bring down the cost of healthcare by setting limits as to what the pharmaceutical companies can charge.

You want to get rid of Social Security? Fine. Stop corporations from attacking pension funds.

Social Security was created because many Americans were financially wiped out from the Great Depression, and there were no pensions.

So, if you want to eliminate a social program like that, you must first eliminate the vast mechanism of theft that was created by big corporations and the big banks that comprise the Federal Reserve. In short, things must be rebalanced. You cannot simply eliminate all social programs with such a rebalancing.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 16:05 | 4070036 Bob Sacamano
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So pharmaceutical companies exist to provide you with drugs at prices you deem appropriate?  They way to deal with them is to just refuse to buy their products - that will really set them back.  I was surprised to learn you happen to know the "correct" price for these drugs.   Am guessing Steve Jobs should give back all he made too -- Apple does not need to charge so much for their products.  Apple makes too much money and has too much cash.  It is dangerous / reckless to allow them to operate like that.  Let's take some of "their" money too. 

And corporations are responsible for your retirement?  Nuts.  Someone told me I was responsible for my retirement and, worse, I believed them.  Well at least I won't be a burden on others like so many will.  Unless they come after my retirement savings because they do not like me saving so much.   I did hear they are planning to take away MY social security benefits (the ones I paid for) just because I was careful to fund my own retirement.  Seems crazy.   


Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:30 | 4066275 Stuck on Zero
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Every 10,000 entitlement dollars spent represent another vote for big government.


Thu, 10/17/2013 - 15:59 | 4066396 dark_matter
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So are national parks defense spending, non-discretionary spending or non-key discretionary spending?

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 17:42 | 4066745 Lord Koos
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Why the fuck does defense spending get a pass?

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