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The "Crazy", "Deadender" Tea Party: The BusinessWeek Cover Does It Again
While Bloomberg's BusinessWeek division is no stranger to provocative covers (here, here and here), it will be interesting to see what reactions among a growing segment of the US population, those that don't believe that unsustainable, reserve currency-threatening spending like a drunken sailor is the equivalent of "wealth creation", its latest cover (to the following story) will provoke: namely, the "crazy", "deadender" tea party.
Those curious how this particular attention-grabbing cover was made, can find out here.
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It is really amazing how much the Tea Party gets demonized. Maybe they are really having an effect on the status-quo.
They want to take away welfare from Wall Street, so the big guns are coming out.
Well the cover does looks like the war propaganda posters from WW1 and WW2.
I love watching how TERRIFIED the main stream power system is when it makes covers like that.
Bloomberg is both a sociopath and fascist.
Contrary to what people on here seem to think, the msm LOVE guys like Cruz, always have always will. Sells newspapers like nobodies business! And it goes both ways, folks like Cruz love and seek the coverage.
Media have a different way of covering issues / figures they don't like, it's called blackout.
Fuck the Nannystate and the taxpaer's money in which they lavish.
ALL the Tea Party people I met here in my city were very level-headed people who just wanted to stop the spending. Many were Hispanics...
Sure in any big group there will be crazies, but there seem to be more crazies on the left.
Funny that. ALL that I have seen and met in the East Bay Area during their rallies and just driving by seem to be the same well dressed, level headed individuals as well.
"First, they ignore you ... ."
Looks like we're now about at the ridicule phase.
That's progress.
That is right, sane govt EG small govt and SANE spending...fuck the fucking parasites and urchins of the fucking left...let them pound sand. I am tired of this bullshit already.
TEA = Taxed Enough Already!
Molon Labe BITCHEZZZZ!
The crazy thing about all these attacks of the Tea Party is the total disregard for the fact that the typical Tea Partyer has money.
Also, the Tea Party member has a long memory and keeps tabs on who is supportive and who is antagonistic towards freedom and liberty.
Just like the NPS Police who treated their benefactors with total disdain.
DaddyO
"Also, the Tea Party member has a long memory and keeps tabs on who is supportive and who is antagonistic towards freedom and liberty."
Perhaps this statement has something to do with it. The Bolsheviks had a very long memory too. Moar statism..
Trolling much ? ... or just like collecting the red arrows ?
An ideal political revolution:
Tea Party takes over the republican party with a mild flavor of social conservatism.
Libertarians make an effort to take the democrat party back from the bolshliveks and 60's radical types.
We can then move forward with mild squabbles on social issues while being able to pass a budget every year. Wall Street may then go back to being an indicator of the economy.
The McCain-Feingold campaign "reforms" allowed Soros to take over Democrat Party funding thru his network of 50x tax exempt organization, good luck on that.
+ 1 Daddy O
That's not the way it works. First they try to shame you and paint you as crazy and or radical. If like Glenn Beck, Pat Buchanan, or Anne Coulter you refuse to bow and scrape then they will ignore you, since at that point giving you coverage is helpful. The media, from that point on, will only cover you when it has to and they will always portray you as an insane arch villians.
Folks, be wary of Cruz as a real Conservative. He attended Haavaad, just like BHO.
"Media have a different way of covering issues / figures they don't like, it's called blackout."
See: Paul, Ron.
As terrified as Stalin, who stayed in power until he was a rather old man. Or Castro, or Mao. Or any state apparatus that has complete control over all the mechanisms of power. In other words, the "mainstream power system" has never been less less "terrified." Statements like you made indicate a disconnect from reality. Don't take it personally.
Stalin and Castro were terrified. The uppermost thing on their mind, was to protect themselves from being overthrown or assassinated. Stalin's secret police were constantly searching out anyone with brains, character, and independence of mind to arrest, interrogate and punish. It didn't much matter who they arrested as long as there were plenty of them, and nobody dared utter a peep against the great man.
He knew how he got to power, he knew how Lenin got to power, and he wasn't about to let anyone do that to him.
Same with Castro. The CIA really was out to get him, they admitted to 9 assassination plots over the years not to mention a continuous program of espionage searching out any weakness. This on top of his domestic political problems.
Nothing new about this, it was known to the ancient Greeks, look up Sword of Damocles. A dictator always thinks he will be safe if he only has enough power and control. Never realizing until it is too late, that the more powerful he becomes the less secure he is.
Not often is a point missed by so wide a mark as you have done.
not too bright are ya there, chief.
HL shitcan...have you EVER read history or a book? ROFLMAO, you are about as smart as a rock...carry on communist! There's more kool-aid over in the corner...don't forget your rose colored glasses.
Good call, Abi.
HL Shancken is a well-established net.kook who believes that the Soviet Union still exists, is still run by Leonid Brezhnev, and still threatens our precious bodily fluids.
If they aren't afraid then it's because they are too isolated in their bubble world to know better. The EBT shutdown a week ago was, in my opinion, the most ominious event since the Cuban missile crisis. What we are doing financially cannot last, but if it doesn't last then the FSA will burn the country to the ground. You don't have to be too smart to connect those dots.
That was intentional, to scare Boehner into caving. It worked!
This MSM mag cover was brought to you by the same cadre of leftist, statist freaks/goons that cover the WH for the MSM. Watch the video feed of the next Obama press briefing. Watch these poodles, these little bootlickers, sit there chatting excitedly, preening as they await their Trainer/Master to emerge, command that they sit, throw them a little snack, pet them, and then command that they go fetch for him. Not one of these poodles dares to so much as whimper, much less growl or take a dump in the house or bite this abusive Master. The press corps is supposed to be comprised of a variety of aggressive breeds -hounds, sheperds, pointers, terriers, herders, labradors,..... Instead, they are all pampered, prancing, pedigreed show poodles.
It is such a sick spectacle to witness on video. Firsthand, it must be astonishing, shocking....
So you are sayin' the Press Corps has gone to the dogs?
fixed
Reminds me of when they labelled Ron Paul crazy, and Ross Perot before that.
Mind you, I think Ted Cruz has already sold out (souled out). Otherwise he wouldn't have made it any where near as far as he has.
Don't junk him...he's right about Cruz. Do your homework and watch any video you can find on Cruz discussing his thoughts on immigration.
He is about to disappoint you in a big way and if you picture him a hero you will suffer a red ass very soon. I can't get a 100% feel good read on Rand either...but I'd say your chances are much better with Rand and Mike Lee.
I believe that the reason Rand was so quiet on this last shitstorm is because I believe he is drawing up a foundation for a 3rd party and a definite run as it's candidate. I don't think that 3rd party will be Tea Party...but I think it will be a party they could live with. Ditto for left leaning libertarians and centrist Dems.
I don't think it will be presented until after mid terms. I think the decentralized and varied tea party and just general disgruntled masses will be the tool to take 2014....with varied mostly positive results.
That's my read from this hilltop.
Down voted for using leftist.
Statist is sufficient.
we really do need some new vocabulary words. english just hasn't kept up with the evolution of corruption and tyranny.
I'm not exactly a Ted Cruz fan, but you are right, the attacks by the corporatocracy are a classic example of how they use propaganda in the corporate media to squash any challenge. What they do to Cruz they would do to anyone, from Julian Assange to Glen Greenwald to you and me if we mattered at all.
p.s. Ted Cruz proves, if nothing else, that there is no such thing as gaydar. He is undoubtedly a man's man, chews rattlesnakes and spits bullets, but he looks so totally gay (not only in this parody but all the time.)
Maybe forcing them to wear gold stars on their shirts will be next. IRS is doing the people's work for now.
Where does Cruz' wife work again?
OK, so now you can award him his OscarTM.
Yes, I always wondered what makes Cruz tick. He is a charter member of the oligarchy, whose wealth comes from the Squid, and yet he poses as a rebel. Sometimes I think he is the Republican Obama -- very ambitious oily politician with a keen eye for the current political meme and a desire to be president, but who stands for nothing really. Or maybe he is part of the Koch brothers faction of the oligarchy opposing the Squid faction, but that's hard to reconcile with his wife being Squid. Or maybe the squid actually wants default, or these manufactured DC crises actually benefit the Squid. Perhaps they had a hotline to Cruz and were trading on his moves in DC.
Of course, the corporate media won't critize him on any of those grounds.
"very ambitious oily politician with a keen eye for the current political meme and a desire to be president"
That's a perfect description of any prez candidate who manages to make their way through the oligarchy's campaign vetting process. Their goal is to own an obedient, principle free, "oily politician."
Reminds me of an old movie called The Great McGinty. McGinty laughs at a racketeeer when a reform candidate beats the racketeer's man, the head of the local political machine. He stops laughing when he finds out the racketeer is the reform party's biggest supporter.
"You mean you were behind the reform party too?"
"I'm behind all the parties. Do you suppose I want to go out of business every time there is an election?"
+1 Preston Sturges
Actually is is a grifter in the mold of his cheerleader sarah palin.
His father is the ' Director of Purifying Fire Ministries', ministering in the U.S., Mexico and Central America. He is also a professor of Bible and Theology, and the president of Kingdom Translation Services. Look him up.
http://www.truethevotesummit.com/Home/Speaker/10
Which is part of the franchise of http://www.purifyingfire.org/ministries.htm
an organization founded by benny hinn and his wife. They are part of the cryptochristian cabal of hinn, rick warren, darrell issa et al. So there is more to his 'tick' than squids.
Yale law professor Dan Kahan: "“But then again, I don’t know a single person who identifies with the tea party..."
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/tea-party-science-98488.html?ml=po_r
Really? Up there in the ivory tower?
Well of course. He's from Yale.
Like trying to find a qualified economist from Princeton, FFS
lol..."Heavens, a Yale man!"
Thurston Howell III
Actually is is a grifter in the mold of his cheerleader sarah palin.
His father is the ' Director of Purifying Fire Ministries', ministering in the U.S., Mexico and Central America. He is also a professor of Bible and Theology, and the president of Kingdom Translation Services. Look him up.
http://www.truethevotesummit.com/Home/Speaker/10
Which is part of the franchise of http://www.purifyingfire.org/ministries.htm
an organization founded by benny hinn and his wife. They are part of the cryptochristian cabal of hinn, rick warren, darrell issa et al. So there is more to his 'tick' than squids.
Sometimes I think he is the Republican Obama -- very ambitious oily politician with a keen eye for the current political meme and a desire to be president,
fortunately for the country, we would need to pass a constitutional amendment for that to happen...cruz was hatched in canada.
Don't think for a minute that the Squid doesn't hedge on both sides of the political spectrum...
DaddyO
people like ted cruz and sara palin are sent in to infiltrate and destroy what otherwise would be a legitmate grass roots uprising. same thing happened with occupy wall street. the control system will not allow any voice which it does not control. so you get fake opposition, which can be used as a whipping boy to herd the masses.
People junking this at ZH? Really?
That is 100% correct john. The GOP (all of it) is worthless. The party is a stinking pile of shit.
Embrace extend and extinguish. When you have unlimited funds you can achieve almost any pokitical end you desire. Where do you think all of that black budget money goes? Maybe including the $2 Trillion Cheney said was missing, the day before 9/11?
The thought of genuine political self-determination terrifies DC.
The elites don't generally astroturf a movement from the getgo. They aren't good enough to do that. But when a grassroots movement gets a bit of moment, they are experts at hijacking it, astroturfing the shit out of it, while attempting to retain a modicum of its 'grassroots' beginnings.
Bay,
You have insulted stinking pile of shits the world over. Please apologize.
People junking this at ZH? Really?
which just goes to show you...even dumb people read zh...
Occupy started and finished as a Soros project posing as a grassroots movement, nothing more. That should have been totally obvious from the "march" on Wall St and who they were marching against(Soros' political opposites), and when he paid a personal visit to the NYPD to allow them to stay in the park.
OWS was a legitimate protest movement, there's a simple way to find out which protests are legitimate and which are not.
Did people get arrested en masse and / or get their heads kicked in by police? Congrats, your movement is legit.
When police start beating the shit out of tea partiers and frequently arresting them in big numbers at their rallies I'll believe its real.
The police state doesn't dare fight with the Tea Party crew because thet know that they have the spine to fight back, unlike the OWS pansies.....
Really? The Tea Party should call the bluff, then.
Pussies.
The police state doesn't dare fight with the Tea Party crew because thet know that they have the spine to fight back, unlike the OWS pansies.....
Figured some dumbass would say this, there's nothing the police love more than an excuse to bring out their toys (and demonstrate why they need moar $). Ever see the documentary on waco? Those guys were armed to the teeth and had no reason for the police to trespass their property.
Tea Party arrests: 0<10
OWS arrests: 7,700+
One could just as easily say,
The Tea Party crew doesn't fight with the Police State because...
Yeah, I don't know.
Put up or shut up, Tea Party.
One of the largest mass arrests in US history was a peaceful protest against the IMF.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1001-01.htm
The TEA Party, unlike the violent left, do not go running into the streets smashing, looting, raping, and burning things. They find when they can get time off from WORK, then they go and have a peaceful protest demanding things like, oh, God, guns, American oil, strong defense, spending control, no illegal immigration, less government, less taxes, less abortion. They clean up after themselves, are generally polite, and when done, GO BACK TO WORK AND PAY THEIR TAXES.
For this, they are labelled and treated as dangerous, terrorists, usurpers, teabaggers, psychos, wackos, zealots, and criminals.
They find when they can get time off from WORK, then they go and have a peaceful protest demanding things like, oh, God, guns, American oil, strong defense, spending control, no illegal immigration, less government, less taxes, less abortion.
Yeah, so they're totally pro-establishment.
I think you are proving my point for me.....
So when did the Tea Party put themselves in a position to be arrested?
That wouldn't be polite, would it?
It's tough for the Tea Party folks because they were born out of conservatives who believed in deference to authority. Sucks to be them.
Not when they see the country they once recognized being turned into a Marxist state....wait and see how long the polite culture lasts....or were you not paying attention for the last few weeks
These polite people are increasingly angry, even at their own......why do you think the ratings for the Repubs were so low?
Tomorrow, then? Y'all got guns, right?
Maybe after that all y'all can get the right people back in charge and go back to being deferential and polite.
Seriously - I hope the Tea Party gets off it's ass.
Tell you what, though, tear gas isn't pleasant, but you'll live.
The police protect the establishment, armed or not you will be arrested if you are a threat to the establishment.
See: every country on Earth.
That is very true, James --- yet one cannot fail to hear your tone of approval with that state of affairs.
I failed. :(
The purity is just sweating out of my pores. Very little left.
You guys are morons.....this is a simple concept....
A cop at the end of the day is making a logical decision......He looks at the OWS pansy and knows he can knock him around because the dread-locked, patchouli stinking, herb smoking retard is no threat to him.
On the other hand, he know the Tea Party activist is likely a local businessman, neighbor, has kids that go to his kids school AND will not let the cop put a hand on him without repercussions (and maybe actually has a little respect for them). Oh, and the TP guy likely has a job to go to so he goes to a protest on the wekend and doesn't decide to camp out for weeks, turn the sidewalks into sewers, harass everyone around till even the libs turn on them and arrest them......like the socialist here in Cali...
http://rt.com/usa/occupy-crackdown-oakland-mayor-419/
That's good - you're making change through mutual respect and admiration for the police state. Things are going to turn around this way, clearly. You've discovered that real protest and ass licking are pretty much indistinguishable.
Ah...classic straw man.....good try Spaz
Who said anything about mutual respect?
On the other hand, he know the Tea Party activist is likely a local businessman, neighbor, has kids that go to his kids school AND will not let the cop put a hand on him without repercussions (and maybe actually has a little respect for them).
Sounds like you.
dread-locked, patchouli stinking, herb smoking retard
Did that hit a little too close to home?
Now you're just being silly.
On the other hand, he know the Tea Party activist is likely a local businessman, neighbor, has kids that go to his kids school AND will not let the cop put a hand on him without repercussions (and maybe actually has a little respect for them).
Tea party rally on Sat? Hmm I think I can fit that in.
Let's see...Monday, Billy's soccer practice, Tuesday PTA meeting, thursday police fundraiser, Friday local Repub outreach meeting, Saturday? Oh it's open! Perfect! Let me pencil that in - Saturday, take down the government. Sunday, church then dinner at Applebees...
.
James' week...
Monday, Get SSI and welfare check, Tuesday, Smoke away half the check, Wednesday, Duh...slept through that, Thursday, Code Pink meeting to outline greivances against...well everyone , Friday, Protest...wait, Dem in office...nix that, Saturday, sleep through that too....to many people with those job things walking around....they annoy me. Sunday, Out of cash....panhandling and smoke it away!!!
You've really got nuthin', huh?
Dude - quit whil you're ahead.
Well, quit.
Gotta say this convo went in an unexpected direction, never thought of tea partiers in this way but now it's so obvious - total weekend warrior get-together for old white people.
By day I'm just a McDonalds franchise owner... but on the weekend, I restore liberty, freedom and justice to all by taking down the US government (one weekend at a time, but not when it conflicts with football)!
Saturday from 1pm - 3pm we take our country back, don't forget your pack lunches!
Yeah...I get your point James....you are a 24x7 douchebag sitting in your mom's basement being 'real' so no one is as credible as your unemployed ass...
I know its unbelievable to you that people might have a things called 'responsibilities' in their lives....more intriging that you put them down for it.....shows your detachment from the world.....perfect microcosm of the 'makers vs takers' paradigm....and we all know which side you stand on...
you are a 24x7 douchebag sitting in your mom's basement being 'real' so no one is as credible as your unemployed ass...
lol
I know its unbelievable to you that people might have a things called 'responsibilities' in their lives....more intriging that you put them down for it.....shows your detachment from the world.....perfect microcosm of the 'makers vs takers' paradigm....and we all know which side you stand on...
Every post you write further underlines the obvious (though you are too dense to notice it apparently) - you are pro-establishment.You have some issues with .gov and some concerns about the future but in general you happily exist and support the system. On the weekend you turn out for a couple hrs to air complaints but otherwise it's tow the line. That's fine, most people are like that. The difference is an actual anti-establishment movement like OWS which aims to attack the centres of power, the same centres of power which keep your week nice, organized and predictable.
Just the truth Spaz...that is all I got...
Would you like to describe your week at the web troll saltmine?
Sure!
I listened to a not very bright dude repeatedly stick his foot up his ass.
I should apologize. Human value is not dependent upon intelligence or rhetorical skill. As a Catholic, I should be ashamed of how I've gleefully manipulated your shortcomings. I'll go to confession tomorrow.
Good luck with your Tea Party, Dude. Seriously.
Pray for clarity while you are in there....We can only hope/pray the Holy Spirit smacks you up side the head!
Tea Party arrests: 0<10
OWS arrests: 7,700+
that pretty much says it all...
Wow....the .gov workers are defintely back on the job.....
Welcome back retards....aren't there other pron sites that you should be on?
Welcome back retards
Don't you mean "morans?"
Well...I didn't want to single anyone out Spaz.....
All these "movements" are manipulated to serve the interests of the establishment. None have lasting effect. All demonstrate the futility of resistance, all serve as punching bags. Notice that both Occupy and the Tea Party were as quickly as possible consigned to either end of the political spectrum. That means they don't make sense, since the only thing that makes sense is the "center." That the "center" is nothing more than a nexus of extreme neo-liberal/neo-conservative money and power is not generally divulged.
You believe they require active manipulation in order to be made beneficial to the status quo? You are far, far too generous.
For if that was so, it would indicate a systemic failure in the status quo's ability to produce, organically and passively, harmless Hegelian opposition, like the husband and wife who disagree only over the color of the curtains, and ignore the fact that there is no window.
No, I don't believe that, and didn't write it. I also don't believe that the status quo limits itself to passive manipulation.
"Did people get arrested en masse and / or get their heads kicked in by police? Congrats, your movement is legit."
And infiltrated by agent provocateurs within anarchist groups used to "justify" that repression.
Same thing happened in a huge, peaceful anti-Iraq war protest held here prior to the invasion. Huge numbers safely lined the sides of a major road on the sidewalks to show their disagreement and a proportionally small number of anarchists walked down the middle of the road, blocking traffic, thereby giving the cops an excuse to shut down the entire road "in the interest of public safety" leaving thousands standing there with no cars going by to see the protest.
Sabotaged as planned...
There it is again - equating anarchy with lawlessness.
Right on time.
NO, equating the specific individuals within that group with the law they were beraking, thereby providing the perfect excuse for the cops to effectively end the entire large event. The idiots were used.
Fair enough.
As the few of them with their flag approached, walked within a few car lanes of me, and receded into the distance, I cupped my hands around my mouth and yelled, "Get out of the road, you'll give them an excuse to close it!" over and over again. I am large and can be very loud, so there is no way they didn't hear me. The idiots kept walking and exactly what I warned about happened.
Years later, I only bother to take care of me and my own. The rest of these idiots can take care of themselves and will always get the governments they so richly deserve through their own ignorance.
As the tea party is either too statist, or too passive, or too compromised by the Koch brothers to be considered a legitimate force for change and the OWS types are to stupid, I guess the best path to reform and positive change is to ruminate about how dumb and/or corrupt everyone who openly tries to do something on anonymous blog sites. Sometimes it almost seems like a lot of people really don't want to see this mess fixed.
I worked for years as an Libertarian Party activist. Because of idiots like those I described in the post you replied to, everyone I worked with then is doing exactly what I'm doing now, taking care of themselves and not wasting time trying to clue in the majority morons who are so easily propagandized and/or used by the multi-billion dollar status quo perpetuation political/media machine. When you eventually discover that, and you will, you'll do the same.
Anarchist groups have been USED throughout history as the perfect place for the powers that be to plant agent provocateurs which then provide the "justification" for repression.
the people attending may have been legitimate but the organizers and leaders were controlled opposition from day one. memos and vids prove oligarch control from months in advance. if anything it proved to be a great way for the police state to smoke out any real activists.
you're not going to see tea partiers arrested enmass. its simply not that kind of crowd. throwing litter on the ground would be considered outrageous social disobedience. the biggest trouble makers almost always turned out to be provocateurs.
More a comment on the useful idiots that Soros hired, primarily unemployed anarchists that don't know when to shut up or not smash a window. True Tea Party protests typically leave the area cleaner than when they showed up.
Typical right wing line of crap.
john39, Plus 1,000 DIVIDE AND FUCKING CONQUER
"Man's man" is such a counter intuitve phrase.
Yes and I wouldn't want to date a female's female.
As a young guy, I liked to think of myself as a "ladies' man."
I tell you what - I liked them a lot more than I liked bass fishing.
Bass fishing wins out when you wake up in the morning and see who you brought home.
Damn those were the days!
I'm not exactly a Ted Cruz fan, but you are right, the attacks by the corporatocracy are a classic example of how they use propaganda in the corporate media to squash any challenge. What they do to Cruz they would do to anyone, from Julian Assange to Glen Greenwald to you and me if we mattered at all.
When YOU are making a difference(educating Joe6Pack here),YOU will be attacked,and propagandized/demonized, and gut stomped.
SO, WE KNOW they fear the Tea Party, what most of the media does not GET is the Tea Party is not a bunch of radicals, but regular Americans, of all stripes.BUT,I guarantee you their adversary damn sure does.
Just like any police state demonizing the opponents to the police state. Evil.
The Republican party leadership (no longer remotely conservative) is losing control of their base of voters, including who those voters support.
I can assure you the back room shenanigans that went on during the last election cycle were epic.
As best I can tell, the "Tea Party" base inside the Republican voter base (not Republican party leadership) is gaining momentum.
The two party system is starting to crack.
Regards,
Cooter
I hope to God you are right. And, I am an Atheist.
Why do you capitalize "Atheist"?
Why are "Christian," "Muslim" and "Jew" capitalized?
Why capitalize doG?
Exactly, should have mentioned that one.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
And, my friends, in this story you have a history of this entire movement. First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you. And that, is what is going to happen to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America.
Nicholas Klein, trade unionist, 1918
M.G. never said it.
The statement rings true; but it has been misattributed to Mahatma Gandhi. According to Wikiquotes there is no record of him actually saying this.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Disputed
Modern variant is more...nuanced.
First they digitally capture everything you've ever said or wrote while they publicly ignore you. Then they laugh at you and publicly try to destroy your credibility as a racist extremist in a coordinated .gov and media propoganda campaign. Then they call you a terrorist and kill you with a drone strike because you were in a dangerous place where LE couldn't arrest you (Detroit, LA, National Mall). Then they blackmail your family with IRS audits and promises of prison and financial ruin unless they admit your guilt.
We'd all be better served to have a parliamentary system of multiple representative factions that battle it out on a regular basis. True representation arises from constructive disagreement.
I'm a social libertarian (do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but you) and a true fiscal conservative (not the BS fiscal conservatism of the GOP or tea party) so I have no political home.
I'm a social libertarian (do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but you) and a true fiscal conservative (not the BS fiscal conservatism of the GOP or tea party) so I have no political home.
In other words, you're a libertarian... not sure why you threw the word "social" in there...
Don't look now but there are quite a few libertarians who oppose abortion, so-called illicit drugs, prostitution, etc. That is, they would support legislation criminalizing/penalizing these things in some way. These are not social libertarians...
No, they're just not libertarians... I get what he's trying to say, it's just inaccurate... The more accurate term for him would be "conservative." There are conservatives who would accept government intervention for social issues.
However, libertarians are a sub-set of conservatives (ultra conservatives) who could not stand to have government intervention (legislation) into these matters... hence why libertarians are fiscal conservatives, but social liberals in popular terminology... unfortunately, popular terminology is heinously inaccurate. In reality, libertarians are simply ultra conservative (prefer the "least" amount of government intervention aside from anarchists; it's just one big spectrum).
Based on your picture/avatar - are you a stoner? Do you like to smoke a little dope? Here is a story about a young boy who was killed by cannabis - so be careful.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2463582/Effects-cannabis-drove...
The Daily Mail?
Seriously?
And by "two party" system we all know you really mean "one party" system (for the banks by the banks).
Exactly.
GOP=DEM=INC
Nothing changes until K Street is dead.
You can choose to either:
a) Make a radical, life-altering, society-changing difference, or
b) Live to be 'popular' for the day.
You can't be both. Hopefully the Tea Party folk understand that.
I "joined" a local tea party in Dallas way back in '08. Caveat: "joined" means being on the mail list and attending the occasional rally to hang out with like minded folks and dontate some petty cash. I was very impressed with the group and how they organized. I was also impressed with who participated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHnSxi48zoY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9dqxiv5dCw
And that was just one example. At the same rally, Phil Pozderac gave a speach on constitutional money.
Tea Party groups not necessarily a bunch of sad say white guy gun nuts, as the media likes everyone to believe. In many cases, they are lead or influenced by successful business folks who are concerned for their children/grand children.
As I saw it (and this was a long time ago I suppose - I moved), Tea Party groups were local. They trotted out Palin to lead the national movement; almost no local groups were interested. The media focused on the national group. However, without an effective "head", the Republican party slowly lost control of the movement, its message, and its energy where it matters most; at the roots. Perhaps someone could comment on the guild system that frustrated the crown of England at another point in history.
Without the ability to channel or control the energy, the Republican party has simply turned against the Tea Party in many ways. Meanwhile, the Tea Party (local, not national) is agitating at the local level, county level, and state level just as much, if not more. They only nationally televise the big contests, which are typically congressional. Not only are they agitating, they are winning seats at all levels.
I suspect the heat is going to get turned up and I don't think the Tea Party folks are going to be backing down. This will continue to develop and become bigger I suspect.
Regards,
Cooter
Ted Cruz's wife is a squid.
indeed
http://www.goldmansachs.com/media-relations/press-releases/current/manag...
You'll never meet a finer bunch of people than at a Tea Party rally. Come find out for yourself next year when there doubtless will be some big rallies, whether the group is then called the Tea Party or some other name. Whatever it is called, it will continue to emerge into a more and more powerful political force in this country, with the objective being to counter the lunacy of fed.gov as now configured and to crush the corrupt, fascistic, divisive, corrosive, grossly dishonest elitist political left as personified by BH Obama by replacing it with a massive grassroots movement led by ordinary, decent citizens who will emerge as citizen statesmen.
with the objective being to counter the lunacy of fed.gov as now configured and to crush the corrupt, fascistic, divisive, corrosive, grossly dishonest elitist political left as personified by BH Obama
where were you when we had the lunacy of fed.gov as now configured and the corrupt, fascistic, divisive, corrosive, grossly dishonest elitist political right as personified by gw bush?
The presupposition of your arguement is that anyone in the Tea Party supported GW Bush.
One might start with a question, rather than an assertion, about GW Bush.
I for one did not like GW Bush. But that is just me.
Regards,
Cooter
Where was I? Well, I sure as hell wasn't hanging our at RNC HQ. The McCains, Boehners, McConnells turn my stomach.
I'd like to see Dems and Repubs run out of office en masse next years, replaced by newly minted citizen-statesmen who would post-election coalesce into, call it, say, the Citizens' Party, and call its members, say, Ordinaries. These Ivy-trained elitists, these career politicians, these Axelrod-esque and Rovian ideologues have gotta go, and the core qualification for those who would replace them should be bona fides as ordinary, concerned citizens with real world experience and success, and little or no political experience.
Then the first thing that every voter should do is refuse to vote for any candidate that is a lawyer or has a law degree. That is one of the reasons this country is so screwed up....forget the Tea Party it is the stinking lawyers that are the problem. You have a bunch of freaking lawyers running things (WH, Congress, Departments, Agencies)....lawyers that sue for the 47% so they can get more free crap; lawyers that sue municipalities because the municipality has some 150 year old inscription carved into a building that some douch bag finds offensive for the first time in 149 years...it goes on and on...it is interesting to me that these idiots had no problem with reforming the financial sector and no problem reforming the medical sector but where the hell is tort reform? Never going to happed because the idiots (BOTH parties) that are voted in are not going to screw over their own kind. Growing up my neighbors were as follows: guy that owned his own tire business, guy that worked for the rail road, guy that was an accountant, a guy that was an air traffic controller, a guy that was a Navy CPO, guy that was a mechanic. Now I look at my neighbors and there is a lawyer that lives next door, a lawyer in each of the houses across the street and a lawyer that lives behind the house across the street. So yes, the neighborhood had gone to crap.
i'm with you on all that, ywc,b...biggest problem the tea party has is with their "associates." as my mother used to say (she was into cliches), "birds of a feather flock together." (she didn't like my friends.)
anyway, it's true. tea party takes its funding from the kock brothers and media giant murkock: billionaires. who are they looking out for? it ain't you and me.
The Tea Party or Citizens Party or whatever are Americans who are sick of the govt on their back. The people who came to America originally just wanted to be left alone and not told what to do by govt at every turn.
where were you when we had the lunacy of fed.gov as now configured and the corrupt, fascistic, divisive, corrosive, grossly dishonest elitist political right as personified by gw bush?
I was handing out libertarian literature when you were a glimmer in your dad's eye, punk. I was telling people that the SS system was already bankrupt and trying to figure out a way to de-enroll myself (not that I had ever, to my knowledge, signed up for it in the first place).
And a brief note to the other punks who think I need to be more "patient" (cough brandon smith cough): I've BEEN fucking patient. I have watched this system slowly, incrementally take everything it can, kill or jail those who oppose it, and buy votes with free FED money. Until the crisis finally hit in 2008, NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, WANTED TO LISTEN. EVERYONE WAS TOO BUSY MAKING MONEY AND LIVING THE HIGH LIFE.
I was handing out libertarian literature when you were a glimmer in your dad's eye, punk.
ok,lol (you pretty funny guy)...first off, i'm probably old enough to be your mother.
and second i never advocated for patience.
personally, at one point many many years ago, i thought viet nam taught us all we needed to know about getting involved in another country's civil war. so i have no illusions of what the leaders of this country are capable.
and i submit to you that no one wanted to listen because they watch too much tv and care more about ... well ... no need to beat that dead horse anymore.
I think this will be the BIG question for the "liberty movement" going forward?
When the next, young, good looking, Ivy League Republican emerges with big dollars from the National Chamber of Commerce, does the movement disperse in the name of beating Hillary, or fight on and get stronger?
It is really amazing how much the Tea Party gets demonized.
i considered joining the tea party when it first began, but then i saw it co-opted by the far right and all their baggage, so nothing new there. the tea party and the r's and the d's are all players in this kubuki theater and none of them have any credibility. they are all pursuing their own agendas to the detriment of the country...or following a script...it sure isn't about what's best for the united states of america, my home.
NONE of the real problems are being addressed: fiat money, qe forever, fukushima, peak oil, pollution, over population...just to name a couple off the top of my head.
careless leaders take us to the edge without a way to get back, that's what the tea party did for us. they're no better than the d's and the r's. they should all be demonized, instead they are used as tools to divide us.
it seems more like bukakki theater to me.
If the so-called "Tea Party" wants to earn any respect - they need to start throwing rotten fruit any time someone like Bachman or Palin tries to carry their mantle.
It started out as a pretty good idea - good enough to have an all-out assault and hostile take-over waged against it by the MSM and the US polical machine.
At this point I'm not seeing much push for actual reform coming from anybody other than maybe Ron Paul.
hey lost, rethink that. you don't have to join anything. if you are a voter or just a citizen who believes that everyone should get their piece of the pie through their own efforts, that every child should have plenty to eat, but his mama doesn't need a taxpayer funded bmw and iphone, that it's unfair for apple and walmart to benefit from slavery and have taxfree access to american markets, that jp morgan shouldn't be allowed to privately tax fuel ( the i.c.e) then that's tea party enough. not everyday you can do anything about it, but when those moments come, recognize them and act accordingly. not everthing the ptb do is evil. life is unfair and complicated, but it's still gotten pretty damn good.
Your brainwashing has gone well.
'It is really amazing how much the Tea Party gets demonized. Maybe they are really having an effect on the status-quo.'
Oh you know how it is. If the Tea Party were truly ineffectual, you wouldn't be hearing much protest. But the more yelling, screaming, hair-pulling, and teeth-gnashing you see and hear, be rest assured, the Tea Party's tactics are indeed hitting home. Think something along the lines of 'me doth think thou protest too much', etc.