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I just went to "enrole california" web site and tried to use the calculator. It was very simple how many people, age, how much do you make. But then when I hit calculate it said "contact us for more information". Now I have programed a few computers and could easily have done a table lookup to find out that value in a day or so. Must be something else (not) going on here........
Must be something else (not) going on here........
They want all your financial info first so when you don't sign up you'll be the first they go after and you just handed them all the info to make it nice and easy Japanezzie.
I'm not so sure that the reason for the paltry few who have actually signed up for this fiasco is attributable to the inability to log on.
I think a lot more sheeple have actually logged on, but when they get their premium pricing, which is 100%++ or more compared to what they are currently paying, they say "Fuck this!", and then log off. IMHO
"Fuck this!", and then log off. IMHO
My Buddies daughter-25- currently pays $90 a month for a $350 deduct, After filling out all the bullshit @ MNSURE it came back at $250 for a $7000 deduct. That's not insurance it a fucking regressive tax.
I saw a case for a guy in NC insuring his family go from $800/mo with a $3k deductible to $1700/mo and $24k deductible! That is essentially full self insurance and forced redistribuiton to Obama voters.
At those prices it pay to self insure/not purchase anything. That is where the IRS will become the enforcer for the program.
The Obamacare liftoff is a fizzle.
And why not? It's built on fraud. Obama didn't even have to fight for the corruption that gives him his advantages; the corruption was handed to him. He walked into it. It was there when Bob Rubin sat next to him at the Brooking’s Institution’s Hamilton Project, a neo-liberal think tank created by Rubin and Roger Altman. He sold his soul to Wall Street. Obama didn’t have to do anything but stand in the Oval Office to do their bidding. He’s the stand-in for the tyrants.
"Barack Obama became president because he told the Rubins and Altmans of the world that he was on their side while simultaneously convincing millions of voters that he was on theirs." -- Margaret Kimberly
AMERICANS PLAN TO PAY OBAMAFINE
ObamaCare in More Trouble Than You Might Think | Breitbart
by Dan Riehl 18 Oct 2013
Selling the American people on ObamaCare was always going to be a big challenge. That's why it was passed all but in the middle of the night. Now, with the number of people who say they will opt out of ObamaCare and pay the fine instead growing - the selling of ObamaCare is only going to become more difficult, not less.
That could easily have major ramifications to the success of the program overall.
Obstacles to its success have only grown in recent days and the fight is far from over. According to Gallup, more people than ever are now saying they will pay the fine, as opposed to enrolling.
Not only that, but the number of people even fully aware of the program continues to remain low.
That's part of the reason why you are seeing panic like this below from sites like the Huffington Post. The train wreck that has been the ObamaCare launch all but assures that the first time many people really learn anything solid about ObamaCare now, is going to be because of bad news and negative headlines.
Add that to the challenge of selling skeptical Americans on a program that was always going to be difficult to sell because health care is such a personal issue, and it significantly increases the complexity of that task. In short, opponents have a genuine window of opportunity to damage ObamaCare, perhaps beyond repair in the public's mind, if they can come together and oppose it intelligently, consistently and together as one
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/18/ObamaCare-in-More-Trouble-Than-You-Might-Think
I still don't get the need to convince people, sell people on the idea they should buy an ObamaCare product. A good product sells itself. Anytime a new product comes out that is useful and/or attractive, whether it is affordable or not, people buy it. They lined up on the street when the latest iPhone came out. If the ACA has such a great line of insurance products to sell to the American people, especially if they are truly affordable as the ObamaCare sales and marketing team claims that they are, just publish the information and people will be eager to buy one of these products.
I've noticed that there are a lot of hidden costs in these products in terms of deductibles and co-pays. Eliminate these hidden costs and people will be less reluctant to buy an ObamaCare product. Oh, but that will never happen. All of these hidden costs are how the insurance industry turns a profit. Needless to say, profit by deception has a very short half-life; but apparently, the Obama Administration is totally clueless to this fact.
Cynthia, I can't even begin to imagine your awakening! Stay healthy girlfriend!
Here is the problem with paying the fine. It is easy at first at $95 and everyone can casually say, "Hey, it is just cheaper and easier to pay the fine."
The sublle thing is that it now begins to make Americans into criminals. You will get a file, be labeled and a non-complier and then become open to being at the butt end of the government force.
"a non-complier"
Where do I sign up?
"The poverty of this substitution of theater for actual ideas is best displayed by ObamaCare. The entire complex edifice of ObamaCare is not an expression of policy--it is simply the perfection of state complicity with a private cartel that increases its share of the national income regardless of which set of bad actors are on stage." -- Charles Hugh Smith
I resist.
I wondered if this disastrous start was on purpose. Maybe the Republicans did get something in the deal.
Couple random thoughts on this Obamacare thread:
They say the meek shall inherit the Earth. I will let ZH'ers fill in "meek" with whatever other term comes to mind.
Save at least a dozen gold 1oz. coins for your true health insurance, should you ever need it, and if so, be sure and buy a bottle of your favorite drink to complement.
web site is a disaster...I'd like to see the project plan, quality plan and org chart...clearly zero quality plan because quite a bit of even simple stuff did not work for me.
They could do it right - if they wanted to.
"Early Warning Signs of IT Project Failure"
http://www.ism-journal.com/ITToday/projectfailure.pdf
Those things would have to exist for you to see them.
The rover found enough frozen water a few inches deep in the Martian soil to sustain a small colony indefinitely. Dig up a bucket of soil and heat it up, and you'll get a few ounces of water.
There are plenty of organic molecules to make some lab grown meat. Airponics bays should be good to go for veggies.
Sure it might not be the best way to live, but at least you're off Earth. The bonus is you can really act like you're Luke Skywalker on Tatooine.
…at least you’re off Earth. Ahhhh..
To the degree that The Powers That Be have bound us within the chains of government minutiae and confined our flight within their dictated limits, so they have restricted the soaring heights of man’s creativity and inventiveness.
Mankind must break through these artificial fetters of the mind to once again process that vast knowledge he no longer realizes he possesses, a knowledge released by freedom.
It was writer and historian Louis L’Amour's belief “that man has been living and is living in a Neanderthal state of mind. Mentally, we are still flaking rocks for scraping stones or chipping them for arrowheads. The life that lies before us will no longer permit such wastefulness or neglect. We are moving into outer space, where the problems will be infinitely greater and will demand quicker, more accurate solutions. We cannot trust our destinies to machines alone (or the perimeters of State media). Man must make his own decisions.”
I am part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch wherethro'
Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades
For ever and for ever when I move.
How dull it is to pause, to make an end,
To rust unburnished, not to shine in use!
As though to breathe were life. Life piled on life
Were all too little, and of one to me
Little remains: but every hour is saved
From that eternal silence, something more,
A bringer of new things; and vile it were
For some three suns to store and hoard myself,
And this grey spirit yearning in desire
To follow knowledge like a sinking star,
Beyond the utmost bound of human thought.
--Alfred, Lord Tennyson, from “Ulysses”
Wait... Why do we need to leave? They're the ones who suck...
Because they have the guns...and drones...and computer monitoring...and police force...and will to use it.
And the UFOs/weather balloons.
Anyone ever read a short story called "The Marching Morons?" It's about a time in the not-too-distant future when the IQ of almost everyone on Earth is 45. A few smarter folks persuade the morons to relocate to Venus where the living is easy. The morons get on space ships which promptly deposit their human contents in Earth's oceans as soon as they disappear over the horizon. The ruse is cemented with tricks such as those the Nazis used, like sending postcards to family members still on Earth from Venus saying how wonderful everything is there. Are we there yet?
I believe we arrived back in 2000 with the election of Mr. Gravitas.
Then we doubled or nothin back in 2008.
I believe in the video game Fallout:New Vegas you can convince a group of radical mutants to get on a spaceship....
no, but did see the movie Idiocracy and fear that we are pretty close to that now. We even have Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho lite as president! Ow, my balls
"would you buy it for a quarter?!"
This infogram is hilarious. If only I weren't so pissed.
The health insurance companies knew that the coverage of pre existing conditions mandate would " justify" the increased premiums they are charging those consumers who already have traditional insurance plans. (United Health's Golden Rule, for example , jacked my wife's and daughter's rates 49.7% last year. Both healthy, no claims, etc, with $5,000 deductible. I am awaiting the new rates to be declared in December.)
But I suspect these insurance companies knew all along that no one, I mean NO ONE, would sign up for Obamacare, and thus these insurance companies will never face the exposure to these pre existing conditions. This has been a one way rape ticket for the insurance companies and a new tax reveniue for the government.
The ACA has nothing whatsofuckingever to do with health care.
It's a subsidy direct from the peasantry to the health insurance providers at the tip of a spear.
And it'll turn into an excuse to meddle in our lives even more.
47,000,000 - Food Stamps
202,586 - Mars Scam
36,000 - Forced Enslavement
Fuck U Democrat.
Remember those little metal rockets you could put caps in. I'm old skool < Anyways, you could throw them up in the air and they would "BANG" upon impact...
Welcome to Obunga Care...
Can we fit inside ? Isn't that the plan ? Break lots of windows...then fix them 'new'.
@ HardlyZero Good Lord, who knows? The "Mad Hatters" are running the show.
Greenie Stick 'em caps! You could NEVER have too many. I loved the smell.
I signed up for ACA, it looks like it's going to work for me so why should I care what all the losers on ZH think; get your grubby hands out of my healthcare. If you think that healthcare costs are too expansive, get yourself a job at Taco Bell and sign up for Medicare.
It's survival of the fittest and most adaptable--looting is acceptable and in fact a must in order to survive: eat your own logic shit!
Good on you. Hope your happy with it, now may I suggest you go over to Huff Po where you can post this drivel to your hearts content.
Were you looking for a pat on the back? And please, be sure to post often here next year to tell us all the updates of how ACA is working so wonderfully for you.
Hoped you have saved up the $6000 deductible in case you need some serious treatment. Then tell us how well it is working out for you.
I'd bet your full of shit.
You're on the hook for thousands and thousands of dollars before you ever get treatment. Another dumbmerican.
Troll want a Cheeto? There, there....who's a good troll? It's you!
My insurance will be cancelled because of Obamacare, meaning a 42% increase in my premium and a 27% increase in my deductible. I am trying to get new insurance before Dec 31st. It's a better policy and a 20% increase in my premium and a 20% decrease in my deductible.
If your losing your insurance try to get a new policy that is obamacare eligible before Dec 31st and you could save some cash.
If Obama see's this chart will it make him fell Inadequate!?!
Dr Ray Stantz: Everything was fine with our healthcare system until the power grid was shut off by dickless here.
Barry Obama: They caused an explosion!
Mayor: Is this true?
Dr. Peter Venkman: Yes it's true. [pause]
Dr. Peter Venkman: This man has no dick.
Perhaps the technical difficulties of the ACA web page are orchestrated to cover the low sign up?
Or to pick the pockets of the youth and otherwise uninsured. Remember that the SCOTUS deemed it a tax so the lawsuits regarding penalties against those who claim they can't enroll are mute. Nice con job if i ever saw one...
So you're getting fucked coming and going but you still suggest we sign up before its all resolved?
But it is the Red Team's fault for not providing appropriate funding:
Via Politico: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obamacare-aca-website-broken-98412.html
"Former Obama administration Medicare and Medicaid chief Don Berwick told POLITICO that the early implementation years were marked by a shortage of funds. “The total implementation budget for Obamacare in the first two years, as I recall, was something in the order of $1 billion. The resources were spread quite thin and it was not possible at that time to get more resources from Congress,” he said. “We really wished there were more. The money wasn’t there.”
Berwick called the problems “troublesome but expected” and predicted they would not matter so much in a few months, as Obamacare takes root."
I think this is just the start of the blame game. Unloading the problems of Obamacare onto someone -- anyone -- else willl be a marvelous piece of sleight of hand for which we have front row seats.
Jena , You're the paragon of Z/H! You have the uncanny ability to set a conversation straight!
Aw YC... <dirtkick>
Well deserved Jena. Go enjoy your weekend...
* Thanks for the 'dirt kick' ;-)
why would it cost a billion bucks to register a payment method for a health premium that is simply a portal/web access to a "proper" insured private sector health care provider? a linkt to a website costs nothing and im sure the private sector which is gorging itself on health care premiums that are 5 times bigger than they should would welcome some more "big brother" sourced people who need health care as much as an open wound needs sandpaper.
a billion to develop fucking website is spread thin?
You can all make fun of Obamacare but in the end you will all submit to it just like you have all submitted to every other piece of change this dismal presidency has dished out.
How America could ever have fallen so low is beyond my comprehension.
How Americans could be putting up with this is even more baffling.
I WILL NOT OBEY
Chumbawamba
To imply that this abomination was rightfully voted into office is just as much "matrix" as everything else going down right now. Evil has overcome the US and the globe and it is beyond our control. God almighty designed it that way, to get YOUR ATTENTION. Has He gotten you attention yet? Most likely not. And He knows that sad fact also....
Obama is like diarrhea; try willing that away when you have it. One of these days, maybe man will turn from his selfish self, (not excluding myself), and righteously worship Him. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I now side with the rebels in the Whiskey Rebellion.
Huh. I always have.
I took a little longer to get there.
Every now and then, some president is offered on the altar. Obamacare is developed to let the sick dollarman die.
Yeah... Cough, cough, ...B*llshit!! When state Government doesn't obstruct, you can successfully enroll 56K people. See Oregon enrollment rates. ...and while your at it take a gander at what happened when the Oregonian published premium amounts: http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2013/05/two_oregon_insurers_r...
BTW, that wasn't an endorsement. I just prefer that when our govt spends money, WHATEVER they buy actually works even if I disagree with what it is. I don't think McConnell shoulda got that money for that stupid dam but for the sake of the people in his state and since they're spending the money ANYWAY I hope the people of his state get something out of the deal. I think Obamacare is a big fat gift to insurance companies and a huge waste of money being made worse by states that are dragging their feet.
Oregon is also letting all the govt workers that were furloughed keep their unemployment checks. All is not right with the world.
for those who didn't bother to read the link, here's a part:
"Providence Health Plan on Wednesday asked to lower its requested rates by 15 percent. Gary Walker, a Providence spokesman, says the "primary driver" was a realization that the plan's cost projections were incorrect. But he conceded a desire to be competitive was part of it."
Oregon, a great place to live.
even if it ain't perfect.
:)
One of my favorite performers of MADtv era was Debra Wilson & Nicole Sullivan.
Here is what ACA is going to become. What a shock to hear Soros is working on the Amnesty passage.
Bunifa Latifah Halifah Sharifa Jackson At The Hospital
With Halloween approaching, I guarantee this skit will remerge in your memory in the next few weeks & make you chuckle.
Vancome Lady
At any rate, enjoy your free healthcare that was promised to you…
WTF? Atomizer you need to lay off the RUM.
LMFAO! Holy shit that was rich!
Thank God, I'm not the only mentally challenged poster on Z/H!
Nah, no alcohol.. I hate rum BTW. My mind just remembers old childhood events & what was broadcasted on TV back then.
Those days of our life were much different. We all laughed & didn’t care about political correctness. In today’s world, they want to rail down on separation to regain control by use of fear. We all know how that story ends as history tells.
My intent is to show how life was during my past, you & ther ZH members make your own judgement.
@ Atomizer I was just testing your mental fortitude.
;-} I was concerned. Thought you might have crossed the line?
I know. That's why I always throw up these types of links to crush the US race baiter in chief. :>)
@ Atomizer Don't scare me like that!
LOL. enjoy your evening.
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You're caving in. I speak the truth Atomizer! Loved you from DAY-1
RE: You're caving in
Nope, it’s called having a life and not listening to every tidbit nugget of information that creates a mass reaction. Let’s pretend Google launches a new TV series. Guess how it ends.. Common sense. Apple market share vs. Google. Let them continue aggression to kill each other off. Blows big kiss. :)
I think Z/H is pretty well grounded Atomizer You're making some life decisions. I have your back. Just ask ...
thanks for a good laff; I love your posts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRuk1EvHVkk
I tried to register many times, but each attempt resulted in some error message like, "System temporarily unavailable."
It occurred to me that the entire system is designed to deny heath care access for the average person. You see the same general appearance, from microscopic details the the picture at large, the appearance of failure, of no health care for you or your family. It's like the Mandelbrot set. Zoom into a single molecule of a prescription drug that cost far too much and you see failure, a left hand molecular variation that is completely ineffective for treatment. From space, looking down on US, the vast majority of people are popping some pill, disease ongoing, not cured in the least. Our health care has been engineered with a fractal dimension of fail. The motivations behind the design all are all wrong.
From my understanding of Big Pharma and the AMA, no health care would probably result in an instant and marked drop in the mortality and morbidity rates of the average Amerikan. Ain't gonna happen. They'll just keep shooting us up with this toxic crap, choking on chemtrails, and GMO "foods," and make us pay top dollar for it. Like paying $400 to Apple and Verizon to let the NSA know when you go out to walk your dog. They really get off on our stupidy.
I wonder how many CONgressmen have signed up for Obummacare? Probably the same number as have a social security pension.
The " Praetorian Guard" is exempt<
Thai medical care can be outstanding (I have visited a couple of their hospitals). I understand this is also true for other medical tourism destinations.
If the American medical system falls apart while they are making it perfect, at least the moderately well off can still get major problems taken care of.
If you ain't 'moderately well off'....see you in the next life.
My average patient is one prescription (30 days) away from pain, suffering and in some cases death.
Barry does not know where his arrogance leads.
Obama's solution to this incipient and disastrous failure will be so obvious I'm surprised no one stated it here. Or maybe I missed it. He kicks the can down the road - the individual mandate is delayed by 1 year, just like the Republicans wanted. Voila! Disaster averted. Bonus points for it being instantaneously "bipartisan".
Maobamacare hard at work for the poor...
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/64309797136/obamacare-levies-fines-on-n...
I wish more people knew that ACA was decreasing care to the needy. Taxing free hospitals is wrong.
I got onto the website just to check it out, saw that it wanted all of my personal information and said "fuck that shit."
I wonder why somebody hasn't signed up Obama, Jarret, Holder, Kerry, Biden, etc. For Obamacare yet?
I suggested they put the sites out there with "beta" status..duh? Still we do need a new HHS Secretary and not personal at all as SEC has some problem with a figurehead sitting there with no tech experience and you can say the same for DOJ after DOJ Lanny got done wiith his job there.
Both consumers and government are learning the real shocking reality of the complexities of building IT systems today, just aint the good old days and I liked it back then too but no going back with code...it is what it is...
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/10/us-consumers-and-government-are.html
Wait until these novices hit the exchanges with their own trading models...you think insurance exchanges are crazy...their algos aren't working but these algos with homemade trading platforms that any novice can build and sell...well I would hate to see the same thing that happened to Knight happen to one human..yikes!! It is a software as a service platform so anyone can fool around with it and sell it too, and I would guess one would have to show some trading success with the models before that would happen, or let's hope so...
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/05/bigdata-modeling-and-analytics-go...
This is a short paragraph of what went on behind the scenes then and there's a lot of this out there...I wrote an EMR but this pertains to any development of an elaborate software program...
When I used program, I wrote from the bottom up, everything, no platform so I did and cake and several layers frosting as well, so I have lived this and know exactly what it means when you have software glitches and failures and remember very clearly hours and week of sleep deprivation working on upgrades and glitches myself, so be kind when it comes to some of this and be patient. I used to walk in and look at a couple doctors that would say “what the f**k is not going to work after this update”…makes you feel real good doesn’t it and does wonders for your confidence after a few weeks of very little sleep and living, breathing and eating code.
I hear your pain. Been there. And plus a kilo for you knight ref.
It takes numbers to work!
If enough people just paid the fine, refused to play, etc the entire thing would fold like a cheap suit!
The vulnerability is participation. This is one case where to some degree, you do not have to play.
I myself have engaged a local root doctor for our needs.
No thanks, commiecare!
Well that is the theory on this entire non-sense, is that's its a new 'reverse entitlement' where people actually PAY the gubmint to get nothing back,
So many people will enroll, and the FINE will be so high, that it is said it will cover the DEBT ( $200 Trillion ), and all the CDS debt as well ( $600 Quadrillion ).
So paying the fine is really the one trillion dollar silver coin.
Banzai401
Thank you on your previous insite: comparing the collapse of Rome because of food shortages to the EBT cards. That was useful.
At least there's hope in the trip to Mars.
We should all bless are lucky stars. This expensive ACA website may only be allotated to internet dialup service.
T&C on the government alloted broadband usage is subject on steady daily EBT payment
tranactions
/heeeheeee.
Atomizer? We can fetch the cost on Z/H. Don't cave in.
Confused on your posted statement. Perhaps tomorrow/monday, we can sort through the real meaning of your question.
Joe: "Boss, it's the Big Guy again. The US is not crashing fast enough."
Bath House: "uhh, OK, uhhh, ahh, tell 'im i'll fuck up the ACA website so nobody can get anything, then we'll just uhhh fine everyone and give him the money."
Joe: "he says that will work."
36K have signed up for an insurance policy. 1.1 million have created an account, the first thing you do so you can browse plans. Apparently this is being changed so you can browse BEFORE you sign up. Many are registering by mail and by phone.
i'm so old, i actually had a bottle rocket that looked like that.
:)
I'm so old you have to vaccuum my underware!
I'm so old, I fart dust.
Chicks dig that!
And for the rest of the story....
http://investmentwatchblog.com/obamacare-affordable-care-act-site-to-be-...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-the-obamacare-implo...
In that case I won't sign up.
Where does it end with this government? Experimenting with mustard gas on soldiers, warfare simulations on citizens, injecting Agent Orange into citizens, spying on citizens, and forcing citizens to sign up on some program that farms the American population for money only to benefit health insurance corporations?
How in hell can this government have our best interests in mind when the history speaks for itself? If they don't kill us or spy on us they whore us out to big medicine.
It has to end with us.
Now look, gawdammit:
ACA mandates:
All them joos must eat bacon, ham, porkchops, and pickled pig's feet.
All mooslims must eat bacon, ham, porkchops, and pickled pig's feet.
Failure to not abide by ACA irrevocable mandates is punishable by the penalty of death.
44000 move on signatures to charge the GOP with treason but only 36000 signed up for obamacare?
Both sides play their game well.
They divide the people so we become an inert force in politics. Plenty of people believe the lies and choose their sides and all the while the elites mock us.
And why shouldn't they? We as a people haven't proved them wrong.
Purple state. Learn it, love it.
Message to the 202,586 would-be red planet pioneers....
The good news is, you are not going to the red planet.
Message to everyone else.....
The bad news.
The red planet is coming to you. Hedge accordingly.
The potential for abuse of this system is considerable. http://what-when-how.com/conspiracy-theories-in-american-history/eugenics/ Once the enlightened philosopher kings decide that something is an obvious public good, then what is going to stop them from forcing their values on you. What if they find a gene that causes diabetes, and they could alter it with a retro virus. Would they force you to undergo a proceedure? Public health crimes? No thanks.
I will leave it to God.
grrr, i get so angry. i'm young. i REFUSE to pay for these greedy old BASTARDS.
YOU OLD PEOPLE, WITH YOUR AVARICE AND RAPACITY, FUCKED THE WHOLE WORLD UP.
YOU PAY FOR IT!
FUCK YOU FOR CONSTANTLY STEALING FROM FUTURE GENERATIONS!
YOU'LL ALL BE DEAD SOON, AND WE GET STUCK WITH THE MESS!
die, you fuckers! the Day of the LORD cannot come soon enough!
"Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God." Proverbs 14:31
JUDGMENT IS COMING.