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The Obamacare "Glitch" Explained In 25 Quotes

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While some have proclaimed the 36,000 enrollment in The Affordable Care Act "a good start," the online marketplaces that Obamacare has become more infamous for have been plagued with problems in the brief two weeks since launch. Politico provides 25 of the most telling and colorful comments made about the "glitches" the online exchanges have faced...


1. “I hope they are working day and night to get this done. When they get it fixed, I hope they fire some people that were in charge of making sure that this thing was supposed to work.” — former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on MSNBC’s “Now with Alex Wagner,” Oct. 14

2. “A thousand Social Security numbers being sent to the wrong people is not a glitch!” — CNBC contributor Carol Roth on HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher,” Oct. 12

3. “How can we tax people for not buying a product from a website that doesn’t work?” — House Speaker John Boehner, Oct. 10

4. “Despite the widespread belief that the administration was not ready for the health law’s Oct. 1 launch, top officials and lead IT contractors looked us in the eye and assured us all systems were a go. Instead, here we are 10 days later, and delays and technical failures have reached epidemic proportions.” — Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) in a statement, Oct. 10

5. “We’re going to do a challenge. I’m going to try and download every movie ever made and you are going to try to sign up for Obamacare — and we’ll see which happens first.” — Jon Stewart to Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on "The Daily Show," Oct. 7

6. “It’s a new rule: If something doesn’t work, you get rid of it! If the post office is late today, let’s get rid of the post office! If the plane is late an hour, get rid of airplanes! It’s ridiculous!— MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, Oct. 12

7. “There’s so much wrong, you just don’t know what’s broken until you get a lot more of it fixed.” — Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini, Oct. 14

8. “They had three years to get this ready. If they weren’t fully ready, they should accept the advice Republicans are giving them: Delay it for a year, get it ready and make sure it works.” — CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Oct. 9

9. “I heard that [the website] had over 8 million hits — people that have tried to sign up — and so far they have people in the single digits that have signed up.” — Rep. Buck McKeon (R-Calif.), Oct. 9

10. “The shutdown has completely gotten in the way of the message of Obamacare not working. If there were no government shutdown, Republicans could train all their fire on the failures of the exchanges in a ‘See, I told you so’ approach.” — Republican strategist Ron Bonjean, Oct. 1

11. “The fact that there is any disruption in the website is inexcusable. But I think the attention is being diverted from the slowness of the website to the fact that we’re in this financial crisis.” — Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Oct. 10.

12. “Basically, HHS has screwed this whole thing up.” — Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), Oct. 9

13. “Consider that just a couple of weeks ago, Apple rolled out a new mobile operating system, and within days, they found a glitch, so they fixed it. I don’t remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads or threatening to shut down the company if they didn’t.”  — President Barack Obama, Oct. 1

14. “If Apple launched a major new product that functioned as badly as Obamacare’s online insurance marketplace, the tech world would be calling for Tim Cook’s head.” — Ezra Klein and Evan Soltas in The Washington Post Wonkblog, Oct. 4

15. “It’s bad enough that Sebelius and Co. produced a terrible taxpayer-funded product. It’s even worse that they didn’t heed the warnings or spot the red flags. They put on a smile, flipped the switch and sat by as it crashed…[T]he first person fired should be Secretary Sebelius.” — RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, Oct. 15

16. “The secretary does have the full confidence of the president. She, like everyone else in this effort, is focused on our No. 1 priority, which is making the implementation of the Affordable Care Act work well. People are working 24/7 to address the problems and isolate them and fix them, when it comes to the website and enrollment issues.”  — Press secretary Jay Carney, Oct. 15

17. “If the problems persist another three or four weeks, those at the back of the line will not have coverage.” — Dan Schuyler,  consultant who helped design a health insurance exchange in Utah, Oct. 11

18. “If we are already running into issues at the user account stage, we’re going to run into a lot more issues when we get to the more complex operations at the [subsidy] eligibility determination.” — Dan Schuyler, consultant who helped design a health insurance exchange in Utah, Oct. 11

19. “The volume obviously is a factor: For the first day or two, it worked. A week and a half later, it’s no longer an adequate explanation.” — Washington and Lee University School of Law professor Tim Jost, Oct. 12

20. “In retrospect, they should have said to the public before Oct. 1, 'This is going to take a while; give us some time and wait.'” — John Rother, president of the National Coalition on Health Care, Oct. 12

21. “It is not unique that when you have a very large, new software program come out that people work to clean it up.” — Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, Oct. 6

22. “[It’s] pretty clear that they’re working on the glitches in Obamacare, and it’s pretty clear that we need a geek squad for the website, not a firing squad for the entire bill.” — Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Oct. 10

23. “In eight weeks, we will find out what the cause was and work it out with the help of HHS and the Small Business Administration, to make it easier to enroll.— Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (D-Texas), Oct. 10

24. “This week, Sebelius continued wasting taxpayer dollars on advertising and promotional tours. This included failed rallies at NFL stadiums and appearances on comedy shows to promote enrollment while at the same time, Americans were unable to sign up for health care plans as promised. Even Jon Stewart didn’t think it was a laughing matter.— Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), Oct. 11

25. “[It’s] like trying to repair a car while someone is driving it.” — George Edwards, computer scientist, to, Oct. 10


We are sure this will all end well with the administration declaring some kind of "victory"... though that last quote seems to ring extremely true of every government plan we have seen in the last decade or 10...


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Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:46 | 4074571 VD
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a not insignificant % of the population does not have the mental capacity to properly vote; you think those people could ever navigate this idiotic mess?

O&co. may want to institute ObamaVote tax on citizenry for not voting: that may keep this scourge in forever.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:56 | 4074596 macholatte
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They are missing the target …… Obamacare has NOTHING to do with healthcare and everything to do with government control. And yes, these “glitches” are what happens when governments harass, torture and execute innocent people. These are the glitches that old relic called The Constitution sought to prevent.


When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:30 | 4074675 A Lunatic
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It's fuck this shit o'clock people   -George Washington-

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:35 | 4074696 Manthong
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“We are committed to doing better,” agency officials said in a blog post that also said that “our team is bringing in some of the best and brightest from both inside and outside government to scrub in with the team and help improve”


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:36 | 4074838 knukles
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Can we please award Chris Mattews the one way ticket to Mars?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:27 | 4075263 Dr. Sandi
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What good will sending him home do?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:29 | 4075630 onewayticket2
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is it intentionally bad?

the stated goal is Single Payer.  if the "law" stands, the "fix" is to simply cut the insurance component out and have a single database (simple) powered by the government. 


this is what they want or should i say crave...maybe it's not a mistake that it's messed up.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:16 | 4075602 GeezerGeek
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Turning the prosecution of the war in Viet Nam over to the "best and brightest" worked out really well, didn't it? Good old Robert McNamara and buddies relied on metrics (body counts, tons of bombs dropped, etc.) to measure progress. Along the way nearly 60,000 American lives were terminated and countless others ruined. Today's "best and brightest" are being called on to fix a system that has death purposely built into it. How many Americans will die, how many American lives will be ruined by IPABs/death panels? The similarity is terrifying.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:43 | 4075274 BlobbyBlueBland
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Deez crackaz is gunna get dey healthcare fo' free one day if'n I free deez black azz slaves    -Abraham Lincoln-

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:30 | 4074676 boogerbently
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1) If they worked as diligently on the website as they did on the PORK in the bill, everyone would already be signed up.

2) "1000 SS numbers to the wrong place"??? Could this just be a ruse to get #'s for illegal aliens (potential dem voters).

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:31 | 4074680 CrazyCooter
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I have been in "IT" since graduating back in the late 90s. In the early "aughts" (i.e. the few years after 2000), I was increasingly distraught about "off shoring". A lot of parenthesis, but the terms are loose and need to be defined to discuss what I am sharing. In short, offshoring failed because of "CULTURE", which you can't export.

What I learned, going through that process, getting older, and still hanging on is that all engineering firms (IT, civil, nuclear, petro, etc), all have a CULTURE. CULTURE is very important. Why? Because when your culture is to DENY problems, everything is fine, but it really isn't. This culture doesn't fix ANYTHING. This is very prevalent in IT. Why? I call it "polishing a turd". Lacquer up a log and eventually people think it is a polished product. I have seen this over and over in IT. That is to say that a complete FAILURE, had it been in any other discipline, bridges would fall down, power plants would explode, ships would sink, lights would go out, and so on. But in IT, executives with great selling personalities can overcome failures of actually delivering a product and go up the food chain (with compensation).

Further, a lower level manager can actually BENEFIT from inefficiency, commanding more budget, deceiving management, and ultimately going up the food chain as their budget grows dues to the incompetence.

I could go on, buy why bother. Any citizen looking for "IT" to solve our problems is sorely lacking in understanding about human nature. I get that "open source" is better, but 95% of the public can't spell "open source" and doesn't understand it. Technology, like a gun, is a tool; it is good when it is applied to benefit society and it is NOT good when it is applied to steal from society.

This is the future of government; the law says you must, the system won't let you, so we are taking your young daughter until you resolve it.



Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:36 | 4074839 Diogenes
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You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:15 | 4075600 BidnessMan
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Actually MythBusters proved you can polish a turd.  But you probably don't want to.


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:40 | 4074994 mtomato2
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I once saw a VW Beetle with a licence plate that read, simply,


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:46 | 4075003 RafterManFMJ
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Hey FUCKHEAD was your company able to book the savings, boost EPS and allow your CEO and upper manangement to make CRAZY CASH while firing tens of thousands of Amerikan workers? If so, then it's not a bug, but a feature.

Memo to da colage bound, B sure to go to skoool and get in debt n stuff, like, cause there b jobs n shit for you when youse gradustate.

And if knot, youse can gets a job killling brown skins ober sees! hahhahahhaaah! Just dont get jurt as I hear the veteran services are, um, not really up to par.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:34 | 4075635 GeezerGeek
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Corporate culture exists in far more than simply engineering firms. This is not to denigrate your thought, simply to expand it. 

The apparent culture existing in the circles of those who created the website reminds me of the way ACORN worked. (I say apparent because I know no one involved, and rely solely on what I've read.) Remember those videos of ACORN people actively trying to help the undercover reporters circumvent the law? The coding techniques of the website's developers have been lambasted on technical blogs for many reasons, leading me to equate the coders to those filmed ACORN employees in their ethics and levels of competence. I've seen some of the code, and pathetic is not too strong a word to apply. Further, you mention open source, and rightly laud it. Are you aware that the website developers used some open source code called DataTables? While open source, the code is, in fact, copyrighted. For those of you who don't know, open source code can be used freely under certain conditions, one of which is that any copyright statements remain in the code base. Amazingly, the scum that wrote the healthcare code removed the copyright statements

If this isn't typical of the progressive mindset (you didn't write that code, someone else did!) where theft is acceptible if it's for a good cause, I don't know what is. I saw lots of code theft in 40 years in IT, and this is among the most egregious.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 14:13 | 4076689 bh2
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"Further, a lower level manager can actually BENEFIT from inefficiency, commanding more budget, deceiving management, and ultimately going up the food chain as their budget grows dues to the incompetence."

This is perhaps one of the more cogent descriptions about how government and other bloated bureacracies work. "Big" is dysfunctional by nature, offering cover to persons who are incompent and unaccountable by nature.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:36 | 4074694 Harbanger
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@ VD.  ObamaVote tax?  O & co. are about to legalize all the illegal immigrants to solidify a 3rd world voting base.  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:30 | 4074822 James-Morrison
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We are already close to 3rd World Status without any help from our neighbors. 

They might raise us up a notch or two.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:35 | 4075178 All Risk No Reward
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>>a not insignificant % of the population does not have the mental capacity to properly vote<<

Anyoone who votes Bankster Democrat or Bankster Republican doesn't have the mental capacity to vote.

Until they catch up to reality, I can't bother to vote other than to VOTE WITH MY MONEY (cash, small organizations, preferably local) and VOTE WITH MY TIME TRYING TO WAKE UP THE FALSE PARADIGM VOTERS.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are willfully ignorant.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:46 | 4074577 Eireann go Brach
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# 26: More than 98% of blacks thought Obamacare was free! Data collector for Govt Healthcare.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:56 | 4074606 Squishi
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chicken and watermelon added.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:14 | 4074773 CrazyCooter
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Aw shit, let's dispense with this crap. I LOVE chicken and watermelon. I am white. Color is not a predictor of an individuals love of chicken or watermelon. My wife is Asian. If the "black" gal I had the hots for years ago would have married me, my wife would be creole.

FACT: I will buy whole chickens on sale and freeze the flock. About every two weeks, I will get out my big ass soup pot and slowly boil that frozen chicken. Cold water, cold chicken, basic spices (salt, pepper, whole onion, carrots). I put it on a medium heat and as soon as steam skips past the lid I cut her down to simmer, simmer for an hour, and stop cooking.

Perfect chicken every time, just adjust the spices/veggies to your taste.

I get 5 quarts of broth, all in mason jars. Best thing that ever happened to rice since Tabasco. I bone out the chicken into Percect Portion bags via a pint jar. That is to say, I put shredded chicken into a pint jar, then when full I put the contents of the jar into a single perfect portion bag. I roll em like burritos and stack em into freezer bags and freeze the shred chicken. Because the meat never touches the actual freezer bags, I don't buy freezer bags anymore.

Those perfect portion bags save me boat loads of money on zip loc bags.

I can make bang up enchiladas (after half a case of beer) on a weekend and eat like a king (in Alaska - food sucks and is expensive). My wife makes Xôi (pronounced soy, like soy beans) from the shred, which is the best chicken/beans/rice breakfast I have ever had.

Don't hate the chicken lovers.

And I would eat it with watermelon if they didn't cost my left nut and leave me wanting for real melon.



Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:25 | 4074811 Buckaroo Banzai
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Shit, you can even get culinary advice on ZH.

Thanks Cooter, I will try this.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:31 | 4074825 nmewn
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You can get anything you want, at ZH Restaurant.

(Apologies to Arlo)

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:39 | 4074847 knukles
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In a few weeks they'll rename it the Resturant at the End of Civilization.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:39 | 4075231 Forty Six and 2
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Bring me four fried chickens and a coke.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 06:09 | 4075354 Disenchanted
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Make mine wit da orange drank...

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:45 | 4075537 MayIMommaDogFac...
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No Coke -- Pepsi.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:55 | 4075283 StychoKiller
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You might like somethin' to wash it down with:

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:32 | 4074830 James-Morrison
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I didn't see whole chickens on the Dollar Menu at McDonalds.


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:41 | 4074852 knukles
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Oh, next week's test market's in the South Bronx!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:52 | 4074876 Squishi
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actually learned this from dave chappelle

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:26 | 4075167 Chaos Trend
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Sounds awesome, but is that really a long enough cook time from a frozen whole chicken?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:26 | 4074667 jekyll island
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It's Bush's fault.  

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:52 | 4074729 Harbanger
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The statists couldn't do what they do without the propaganda from the MSM.  To do it right, wait and hang the drug dealing Bankers last.  Yes, So they can see their fate.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:48 | 4075008 RafterManFMJ
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 26: More than 98% of blacks thought Obamacare was free! Data collector for Govt Healthcare.

You know, I'll never believe the average IQ of Blacks in Amerika is 85, no matter what the research and personal experience says. Because Obama!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:50 | 4075238 dunce
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There will be no cost to "any" low income people because as the SCOTUS said it is a tax and low income people do not pay federal income tax. This will destroy our country and the world will enter a new dark age without our leadership and values. Socialists have been trying to bring us down for about a hundred years and now they have us on the path to total failure and they will go down with our ship. Be careful what you wish for.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:48 | 4074580 nmewn
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“[It’s] like trying to repair a car while someone is driving it.”

With an orangutan driving it.

Right turn Clyde!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:50 | 4074586 One And Only
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Obamacare is like the feritilazation of an egg. Tens of millions of sperms trying to get the egg, but only one gets in.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:54 | 4074594 Hulk
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Lucky fucker !!!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:56 | 4074601 One And Only
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If you can get in it's like magic.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:21 | 4074654 johnQpublic
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and so far the computer software has cost only 18,333 dollars per enrollee

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:03 | 4074749 nmewn
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Winning The Future!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:34 | 4074836 Buckaroo Banzai
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That's $18,333 that we know about.

Including graft, waste, reprogramming, ongoing code maintenance... This thing will probably cost 3x that.

If you want to fuck something up, get the government to do it. If you want to royally fuck something up so badly that it is completely nonfunctional and costs a motherfucking fortune, get the Obama administration to do it.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:43 | 4074857 knukles
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Who was it, Uncle Milton who said ; "If the government was in charge of the Sahara within 5 years there'd be no sand."?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:53 | 4074591 LawyerScum
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26. "In other words, it's a huge shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite." - Lt. Lockhart (Full Metal Jacket)

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:35 | 4074837 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Does this mean Ann-Margaret's not coming?"

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:50 | 4074870 knukles
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" I bet you're the kind of guy who would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around. I'll be watching you!"

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:11 | 4074923 Parousia
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I see where you're going with this.  I refuse to call our Commander in Chief "Private Snowball."  ...even if he can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:51 | 4075018 RafterManFMJ
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Buckaroo, I want you to get straight up to Phu Bai. Captain January will need all his people...
Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:55 | 4074597 Big Brother
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“Consider that just a couple of weeks ago, Apple rolled out a new mobile operating system, and within days, they found a glitch, so they fixed it. I don’t remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads or threatening to shut down the company if they didn’t.”  — President Barack Obama,

At least I am not forced under threat of fine to buy an iPhone.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:58 | 4074609 One And Only
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It's not a fine, it's a tax.

Thank you for your shared sacrifice patriot.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:49 | 4074723 Dr. No
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I junked you since a fine and a tax are the same.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:12 | 4074771 nmewn
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lol...I wonder what they call fee's for "servicing customers"?

Chains being so passe' now ;-)

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:31 | 4074679 ebworthen
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"At least I am not forced under threat of fine to buy an iPhone."


Have you done your share of shopping for shit you don't really need yet?

If you haven't put at least $1,500 on the credit card by January 1st you may be a seditious terrorist.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:14 | 4074777 nmewn
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Or a senator from Texas ;-)

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:32 | 4074684 Iriestx
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Of course you're not forced.  As a matter of a fact, if you're a minority that doesn't work for a living and promises to vote for the Democrat, you'll get a "free" iPhone!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:33 | 4074686 0b1knob
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Microsoft rolled out windows 8.1, bricked devices and then withdrew the whole mess.

The temporal-financial paradox of large organizations:  There is never enough time and money to do something right the first time, but there is always enough to re-do it latter.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:59 | 4075286 StychoKiller
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There's quite a difference between "glitch" and non-functional! :>D

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:57 | 4074602 rtalcott
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I tried to use the was really 'effed up...basic things did not work...the project/quality plan must be a mess and the program management amateurs...I've worked on large SAP roll-outs in regulated environments which were probably as complicated as this so I know what it excuse for this.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:01 | 4074615 Hulk
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They tried to save money by using the new Radio Shack Web Server...

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:33 | 4074687 boogerbently
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Why don't they use Goldmans HFT server. We could be enrolled, operated on, and recovered, in about 3 minutes.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:28 | 4075170 Bazza McKenzie
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 "enrolled, operated on" to take out all your saleable organs.  Recovered?  Nah, that's not an option Goldman offers its clients.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:30 | 4074677 Normalcy Bias
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What do you expect for a lousy $400-600m, a functioning website? You can't expect the govt to do the impossible with this new fangled ecommerce technology on a shoestring budget!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:59 | 4074610 Seasmoke
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Don't worry if you can't get on the website. Just pay this $750 tax on April 15 and we will call it even.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 20:59 | 4074611 icanhasbailout
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You get the H1-B work you pay for.


DC is going to be incapable of fixing that website. In order to fix something you first need to be honest about what's broken, and nobody in DC knows what truth is anymore.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:36 | 4074697 Caveman93
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My guess is that the website is fine, It's the databases that's fucked up from H!B's copying and CTRL+V bad scripts for SQL they found in their G00gles searches. Dirty code begets dirty codes.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 11:07 | 4075882 Crawdaddy
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Bet you are right about the dbs being jacked up but if these are bad then it is a given the web sites themselves are jacked too. If it is true they are running Win2003 server then its also likely their storage, networks, state mgmt, authentication and security are also jacked. Hell I'd bet any average non-H1B web jockey could find a half dozen single points of failure in their architecture before a database is even involved in a transaction.

I bet the only thing world class about this shit sandwich is the power point decks.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:01 | 4074613 Unknown Rider
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Are you going to get your federal subsidy every month, or only once a year when you file your return? If it's once a year will you be able to properly budget for the rest of the year?, or will you buy that new big screen? Seems a lot easier to pay the fine.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:06 | 4074623 One And Only
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No one knows whats going on with Obamacare or whats in it including Obama.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:33 | 4074690 Iriestx
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You have to sign up for it to know what's in it.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:13 | 4074776 Pure Evil
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I don't believe you have to sign up to know you're gonna get ass raped prison style.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:42 | 4074853 James-Morrison
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With as screwed up as Obamacare is, you might have to pay for two years to see what is covered.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:56 | 4075032 RafterManFMJ
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As long as I can work 80 hours per week to provide 'free' health care to illegals, and other worthless ticks like cops, soldiers, judges, postal workers etc, I'm good.  I realize how fortunate I am to work shifts, breathe poison, and trade me limited TOE* for an rotting currency and the Atlas like supporting of an ever expanding class of ticks.

Had I the time, I'd write them all a thank you card.


Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:51 | 4075123 icanhasbailout
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one of Obamacare's many ugly secrets is that the first ten years of revenues pays for the first six years of "services"

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:04 | 4074626 q99x2
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Can't other countries offer healthcare in the United States? I don't think I trust Americans.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:05 | 4074628 JD59
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Everything this POTUS touches turns to gnashing of teeth, and death.

1. Fast & Furious gun running propaganda war against the 2nd amendment and American gun owners. 1000s dead Mexico, and several Americans including Brian Terry. The numbers continue higher every week.

2. Egypt

3. Lybia

4. Bengazhi, I will not send help to save U.S. NAVY Seals, or a U.S. Ambassador's life and his staff.

5. Next American people, through ACA. Nothing with this law is affordable, including this fubar 1800 f u c k y o website.


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:07 | 4074631 One And Only
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You sound racist.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:10 | 4074635 JD59
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Not at all. My wife of 25 years is blacker then Barry Sortoro.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:21 | 4074656 Promethus
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Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:53 | 4074732 JD59
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100%, but U R right, 51+ is more then sick Barry.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:16 | 4074784 Pure Evil
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You also forgot the Sandy Hoax massacre and the Boston "Shelter In Place" Marathon.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:58 | 4075036 RafterManFMJ
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Did they ever get that guy out of the boat? Haven't heard much. Hope they fly him back to SA soon, his skin must be really greasy by  now.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 07:03 | 4075413 mvsjcl
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But not her soul.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:36 | 4074700 zebrasquid
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I think the comment was facetious...

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:26 | 4074815 nmewn
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Nobody gets good sarcasm anymore...I blame it on the constant divide & conquer PC bullshit technique. They feel compelled to place a sarc tag on it, lest someone be offended.

Being offended that you and your children are being financially and culturally raped & destroyed seems to carry no import these days. But let someone remark on the color of your skin, instead of your mind...and oh, shit!!!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:48 | 4074722 Everybodys All ...
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If he were would you really blame him at this point. Obama certainly is a racist.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:12 | 4074638 Miss Expectations
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Alas, Poor Glitch, it will never mean the same thing again.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:17 | 4074645 Promethus
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I predict 1+ million will receive Obama care subsidy payments who never even signed up for Obama care. Like the housing bubble and the student loan mess we will hear how no one saw it coming.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:31 | 4074682 jekyll island
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I went to a church in South Carolina and they announced that they got $24,000 in rebates from the government due to ACA because they were compliant with the law.  The Lord works in mysterious ways, because the Church is exempt from paying taxes.  This is probably happening to nonprofits all over the country.  

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:53 | 4074880 knukles
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Fuck me!


whimpering sounds

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:02 | 4075049 RafterManFMJ
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Hey Pal look up some time the MASSIVE payouts to negroes who were supposedly be da scriminated against by the .gov sez they wanted to farm and shiz!  As near as I can tell, to get up to 300K all you had to do is be able to spell 'farm' and be black.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:18 | 4074649 MedicalQuack
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I am very curious if the contractor, CGI went on the cheap and built a state exchange instead of buying it from first Oracle and second alternative Microsoft.  Most of the technologies used are Oracle so that would make sense as well as “paying” for it to get it done right.  Oracle announced their turn key solution, which was set up to integrate with insurers as Oracle has most of them as clients anyway, would solve the problem of the data getting to the insurance company systems..duh?

And then Microsoft had one too…and Oracle and Microsoft have integrated together for years on tons of projects, not to mention Windows operating system…duh?

Again, did they go on the cheap?  There are times when you need to pay for software and this was one of them if in fact  CGI decided to built a state exchange with open source software to save money…and who knows what subcontractor CGI may have used as well...

As I said in 2009, please don't nominate this woman for HHS as in a few years Health IT would eat her up and it has as she is no contest for the extreme math models and business intelligence analytics used by health insurers, they can't hire enough quants and data miners, look at classified...they duped and duped her again, sadly.

When in February she made a speech about "Speeding up Health IT" which everyone in tech just laughed at, it was clear indication right there she was in trouble..

We also had where she took on Dr. Hamburg at the FDA pulling rank over the day after pill with a very public dispute, sad.  She seems to be very insecure.  The one that really pissed all the hospitals and doctors off though is when she used Eric Holder to have him put his name on a big threat letter that went out to hospital and doctor associations accusing all of cheating and she brought nothing to the table...even Harvard was angry over that one so she does it to herself, time to resign with dignity while some is still left.  She's just flat over her head and we have same issues with tech issues in Congress, at SEC and DOJ and I'm sure there's more.

Larry Ellison and Oracle could come in and save the day with a nice gesture of some free help and maybe some software to get this working and at the same time such a gesture would get the Oracle board and shareholders off his back about his pay...a win-win!! 

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:20 | 4074653 Ying-Yang
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We are FED UP and are not going to take it anymore.


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:25 | 4074662 Atomizer
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The new ACA website warning popup.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:26 | 4074663 ebworthen
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I'm not signing up for that shit.

I consider it a profound act of solidarity with my fellow Chinese citizens.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:05 | 4075054 RafterManFMJ
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Same. I recently went Amish. The wife stopped shaving, and all my electonics are run by 12 goats on treadmills. Granted, we are an Amish sect straining under the IMPLACABLE  CONTROL OF LANCASTER PA!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:26 | 4074666 altgeek
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The best and brightest are not working for the gubmint. This "system" is an order of magnitude more complicated than the IRS' ; it is doomed to fail. Programmers on the project are probably on a death march (but they are probably hourly consultants, natch.) Band aid and spaghetti code, anyone?

{ return null ; }

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:35 | 4074688 ebworthen
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Listen, if you make things work right off the bat you might be out of a job.

On the other hand, if you can have "glitches" and "coordination difficulties" and "database synchronization issues" and "verification check loopholes" and "security concerns" you could have a decent job with juicy bennies for at least a decade.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:54 | 4074736 Big Brother
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Only with the government is that possible.  Had a private company bet the farm with that performance, they'd of been bankrupt (or a company like Oracle, a huge market cap loss).

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:28 | 4074669 ItsDanger
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#25 is not true AT ALL.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:21 | 4074796 Pure Evil
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Please explain.

We're all listening.......



Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:30 | 4074678 Caveman93
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Easiest way to hack is always from the inside. Whitebox baby....whitebox.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:35 | 4074693 Iriestx
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Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:37 | 4074701 Caveman93
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Lulz! Okay, Graybox better?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:22 | 4074798 Pure Evil
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Invisible American would be better.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:31 | 4074681 apberusdisvet
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Once the gubmint has all your info, they will determine your risk factors for NOT getting treatment, especially if you are 65 or older.  Go short nursing homes; there won't be a need by 2025; just in time for SS and Medicare bankruptcy.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:34 | 4074692 Downtoolong
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We’re sorry, the Xanax you ordered two weeks ago for all the anxiety you experienced trying to use our healthcare website was actually fertility pills.

Please be patient. We hope to have the problem fixed in about nine months.



Sun, 10/20/2013 - 21:46 | 4074719 NoWayJose
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Most Americans cannot figure out how to complete a 1040EZ tax form. Income verification for Obamacare has to be at least as complex, then on top of that are 4 levels of multiple plans to select (and understand the consequences of each). I fully suspect we will hear giant sob stories on people who did not understand that they need to meet large deductibles before they get ANY benefits from Obamacare.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:01 | 4074743 Burticus
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And the winner is...#22 - "a firing squad for the entire"...CONgress.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:08 | 4074761 DrData02
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What happens if Chinese or Bolivians (etc.) try to sign up?  Will the system let them?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:22 | 4075159 Bazza McKenzie
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Only for the fully subsidised option.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:11 | 4074769 Jena
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Obama is going to appear in a Rose Garden with people who have successfully enrolled in the program, according to this article in the NYTimes:

I wonder if he'll be taking questions, but if he does, they willl be only friendly ones.

In the meantime, from the article:

"Administration officials approached the contractors last week to see if they could perform the necessary repairs and reboot the system by Nov. 1. However, that goal struck many contractors as unrealistic, at least for major components of the system. Some specialists working on the project said the online system required such extensive repairs that it might not operate smoothly until after the Dec. 15 deadline for people to sign up for coverage starting in January, although that view is not universally shared."



Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:43 | 4074856 nmewn
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In nmewn's world, he would have "doctors" dressed in white, walking by wailing patients on the photo-op backdrop this time.

But thats jus me ;-)

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:45 | 4074863 Diogenes
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"Obama is going to appear in a Rose Garden with people who have successfully enrolled in the program, according to this article in the NYTimes:"

Is he inviting both of them?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:55 | 4074885 Jena
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I heard there might be three if they get lucky.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:22 | 4074802 Fix It Again Timmy
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Our entire government is a glitch...

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:43 | 4074859 merizobeach
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I've been reading along in the comments over the past several days of people's misadventures on the ACA website, and until now, I've had a vague feeling of noncomprehension why so many people have bothered to try; now, though, I realize the cause of my bewilderment: all this time, it had never actually occurred to me to visit the website because I have never had even the slightest intention of participating in that program, or anything else the USGov has on offer.  I will not be paying any fines, either.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:51 | 4075019 brettd
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The IT is NOT the problem.

It is actually a smokescreen the covers the 

absolute revolt that will happen as 

people get through the IT and find what the CONTENT

does to their wallet and healthcare!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:04 | 4075051 lakecity55
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Bath House is so fuckin' happy he doesn't have to sign up for this shit!


(Which SS# would I use, anyway?)

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:09 | 4075062 holdbuysell
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Had an enterprise software expert tell me the system shown below was not implementable.

If the organizational connectivity diagram of the healthcare system below is in fact correct, in the least it's an amazingly complex system.


Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:49 | 4075120 Suisse
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Howdy, neighbor.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:29 | 4075093 joego1
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Everything the government gets near turns to shit.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:44 | 4075116 New American Re...
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How about #26: "It was never designed to work." Elect a New

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:03 | 4075134 klynnn
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Be gentle guys this is my first post on ZH> I have been reading here for over a year and never felt capable of posting. I have laughed almost hilariously at some of the posts and have learned a tremendous amount. My comment is I truly don't think the american populace has a clue what's happening around them not do they care. That is what scares me. I never had time to spend on the computer years ago as a sngle parent but you can bet your ass I do now and I intend to learn as much as possible so bring it ON!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:32 | 4075223 Jena
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I think you're exactly right, klynnn.  Low information, high apathy = bad combination.

Stick around, have fun.  ZH is a great place to learn all sorts of things.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:10 | 4075473 rustymason
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The GOP would like to thank our mole, Kathleen Sebelius, for the spectacular payload she dumped into the ObamasRomneyCare machinery. This is bullish for freedom lovers everywhere and gives us great hope that more bureaucrats will follow her example.

I think ObamasRomneycare should be considered a success so far.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:12 | 4075500 Duude
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As I understand it, this isn't really the fault of the programmers so much as it is the administration's election year strategy. Election year 2012 saw Obama reelected, but with that reelection came the election year strategy that severely hampered the Obamacare rollout. Obama's election strategy was to provide as little ammunition to Mitt Romney as was possible, and that meant putting the Obamacare regulation rules on the back-burner. The website programmers didn't get the the details of the plan till Spring which is way too late for an October rollout. The even had to deal with other website changes the administration requested as late as September.  But to make matters worse, they used a no-bid process in picking the venders used. Of course, that resulted in a who's who of campaign donors. But setting that all aside, how does that compare to state exchanges not using the Federal website? They had the same short period to rollout their own exchanges.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:32 | 4075520 j0nx
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“The shutdown has completely gotten in the way of the message of Obamacare not working. If there were no government shutdown, Republicans could train all their fire on the failures of the exchanges in a ‘See, I told you so’ approach.” — Republican strategist Ron Bonjean

They won't. Because they are fucking RINOs who are all in on the scam. For the same reason milquetoast Willard didn't push the Bhengazi debacle during the debates. Because they are all a part of the second wing of the democrat party and they have captured the government. The GOP is just a patemkin village of a party designed to make you think you have a choice between the two.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:42 | 4075658 d edwards
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That is why we need to support the "tea party" Repubs-I call them Liberty Repubs and GET RID  of as many RINOS as possible in 2014


These f-heads who have been in office 20-30 plus years are the ones that have allowed things to get this bad.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 10:34 | 4075729 Chaos_Theory
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Yea, I'm sure boat loads of people are just waiting for the database to work so they can fork over $2000 to $6000 annually in monthly premiums with the potential for $7500 to $17000 in catastrophic cap co-pays. 

When reporters have to actually pay for their ACA policies (once their corporate masters dump employee coverage) they will finally get "investigative" and stop focusing on the theater of "good cop-bad cop" that the Ds and Rs provide.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 12:08 | 4076225 buyingsterling
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I can't believe Chris Matthews hasn't already choked to death on Obama's cock.

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