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Why Have Young People In Japan Stopped Having Sex?

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Japan's under-40s appear to be losing interest in conventional relationships. Millions aren't even dating, and increasing numbers can't be bothered with sex. For their government, "celibacy syndrome" is part of a looming national catastrophe. Japan already has one of the world's lowest birth rates. As The Guardian reports, 45% of Japanese women aged 16-24 are "not interested in or despise sexual contact". More than a quarter of men feel the same way. Is Japan providing a glimpse of all our futures? Many of the shifts there are occurring in other advanced nations, too. Across urban Asia, Europe and America, people are marrying later or not at all, birth rates are falling, single-occupant households are on the rise and, in countries where economic recession is worst, young people are living at home...

 

 

Via The Guardian,

Ai Aoyama is a sex and relationship counsellor who works out of her narrow three-storey home on a Tokyo back street... she did "all the usual things" like tying people up and dripping hot wax on their nipples. Her work today, she says, is far more challenging. Aoyama, 52, is trying to cure what Japan's media calls sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome".

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Japan's under-40s appear to be losing interest in conventional relationships. Millions aren't even dating, and increasing numbers can't be bothered with sex. For their government, "celibacy syndrome" is part of a looming national catastrophe. Japan already has one of the world's lowest birth rates. Its population of 126 million, which has been shrinking for the past decade, is projected to plunge a further one-third by 2060. Aoyama believes the country is experiencing "a flight from human intimacy" – and it's partly the government's fault.

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The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier. Another study found that a third of people under 30 had never dated at all. (There are no figures for same-sex relationships.) Although there has long been a pragmatic separation of love and sex in Japan – a country mostly free of religious morals – sex fares no better. A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way.

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Official alarmism doesn't help. Fewer babies were born here in 2012 than any year on record. (This was also the year, as the number of elderly people shoots up, that adult incontinence pants outsold baby nappies in Japan for the first time.) Kunio Kitamura, head of the JFPA, claims the demographic crisis is so serious that Japan "might eventually perish into extinction".

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"Both men and women say to me they don't see the point of love. They don't believe it can lead anywhere," says Aoyama. "Relationships have become too hard."

Marriage has become a minefield of unattractive choices. Japanese men have become less career-driven, and less solvent, as lifetime job security has waned. Japanese women have become more independent and ambitious.

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Aoyama says the sexes, especially in Japan's giant cities, are "spiralling away from each other". Lacking long-term shared goals, many are turning to what she terms "Pot Noodle love" – easy or instant gratification, in the form of casual sex, short-term trysts and the usual technological suspects: online porn, virtual-reality "girlfriends", anime cartoons. Or else they're opting out altogether and replacing love and sex with other urban pastimes.

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Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.

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Mendokusai translates loosely as "Too troublesome" or "I can't be bothered". It's the word I hear both sexes use most often when they talk about their relationship phobia. Romantic commitment seems to represent burden and drudgery, from the exorbitant costs of buying property in Japan to the uncertain expectations of a spouse and in-laws. And the centuries-old belief that the purpose of marriage is to produce children endures. Japan's Institute of Population and Social Security reports an astonishing 90% of young women believe that staying single is "preferable to what they imagine marriage to be like".

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The sense of crushing obligation affects men just as much. Satoru Kishino, 31, belongs to a large tribe of men under 40 who are engaging in a kind of passive rebellion against traditional Japanese masculinity. Amid the recession and unsteady wages, men like Kishino feel that the pressure on them to be breadwinning economic warriors for a wife and family is unrealistic. They are rejecting the pursuit of both career and romantic success.

"It's too troublesome," says Kishino, when I ask why he's not interested in having a girlfriend. "I don't earn a huge salary to go on dates and I don't want the responsibility of a woman hoping it might lead to marriage." Japan's media, which has a name for every social kink, refers to men like Kishino as "herbivores" or soshoku danshi (literally, "grass-eating men"). Kishino says he doesn't mind the label because it's become so commonplace. He defines it as "a heterosexual man for whom relationships and sex are unimportant".

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Is Japan providing a glimpse of all our futures? Many of the shifts there are occurring in other advanced nations, too. Across urban Asia, Europe and America, people are marrying later or not at all, birth rates are falling, single-occupant households are on the rise and, in countries where economic recession is worst, young people are living at home.

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"Gradually but relentlessly, Japan is evolving into a type of society whose contours and workings have only been contemplated in science fiction,"

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Japan's 20-somethings are the age group to watch. Most are still too young to have concrete future plans, but projections for them are already laid out. According to the government's population institute, women in their early 20s today have a one-in-four chance of never marrying. Their chances of remaining childless are even higher: almost 40%.

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"Japan has developed incredibly sophisticated virtual worlds and online communication systems. Its smart phone apps are the world's most imaginative." Kelts says the need to escape into private, virtual worlds in Japan stems from the fact that it's an overcrowded nation with limited physical space. But he also believes the rest of the world is not far behind.

Getting back to basics, former dominatrix Ai Aoyama – Queen Love – is determined to educate her clients on the value of "skin-to-skin, heart-to-heart" intimacy. She accepts that technology will shape the future, but says society must ensure it doesn't take over. "It's not healthy that people are becoming so physically disconnected from each other," she says. "Sex with another person is a human need that produces feel-good hormones and helps people to function better in their daily lives."

Aoyama says she sees daily that people crave human warmth, even if they don't want the hassle of marriage or a long-term relationship. She berates the government for "making it hard for single people to live however they want" and for "whipping up fear about the falling birth rate". Whipping up fear in people, she says, doesn't help anyone. And that's from a woman who knows a bit about whipping.

 

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Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:44 | 4074860 smlbizman
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so my ex's teachings have finally caught on.....

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:58 | 4074893 Groundhog Day
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the radiation has killed their sex drive

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:04 | 4074908 BLOTTO
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A lot of Japanese men have been feminized. You see those young group of adolscent men with those faggy pants and hair styles...

They care more about ego, self image and fashion then to care and love a woman and be in a relationship.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:25 | 4074960 johnQpublic
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ever since i got my interactive USB powered genital mitt......

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:31 | 4074975 Fish Gone Bad
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I find it hard to believe people are not interested in sex.  On the other hand, Japan is a festering wasteland and there is little point to bring children into a shortened life that ends in a painful cancerous death.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:32 | 4074978 icanhasbailout
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What is happening in Japan is what happens when you crush all hope in a society that the future will be better than today.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:52 | 4075021 SafelyGraze
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the young people in japan have stopped having sex

and yet ..

http://www.bing.com/search?q=japanese+orgy

35,400,000 RESULTS

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:12 | 4075067 Manthong
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They are going Galt on sex, marriage and commitment (economic and relational.

Serfdom and hopelessness will do that.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:36 | 4075105 Anusocracy
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I was probably born without a proclivity for sex, getting married, or having offspring. A name I've previously used posting is Avenist - AVEN from Asexual Visibility and Education Network.

http://www.asexuality.org/home/

Obviously I have no criticism of other people's interest, but I am extremely glad for not having one. It's just Mother Nature running part of your life.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:25 | 4075164 Johnbrown
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On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:46 | 4075187 TwoShortPlanks
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No worries, I'll have both of em then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQhZyNKqhM

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:11 | 4075211 SubjectivObject
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That movie could have been much more substantively risque if they had edited Bouncy out and expanded on the Fook Mi / Fook Yu theme.  The scene was, after all, Japan.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:34 | 4075225 MeMadMax
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It's hard to be horny when you are working 2 jobs and there is no hope for the future....

 

^.^ >_>

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:27 | 4075262 Motley Fool
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For those that are interested. This was the first time I saw the grass eaters movement mentioned, as well as an explanation as to why it is happening : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w__PJ8ymliw

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:04 | 4075482 Badabing
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Only 32% of all adults in Japan are having children.
Out of those 99% have one eye.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:53 | 4075560 Enslavethechild...
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Centraly planned population control is working.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 17:42 | 4077367 MeelionDollerBogus
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Obviously not: the plan is to increase, not decrease, the population.
Once population is unsustainably high the slaves will be forced to live off the babies later AND that's higher slavery for the elites AND then they can work on lowering life expectancy to 50 or so. That's the ultimate slave-force: can't live long, must make more babies to pay for bills. Maybe the pre-teens work for food, maybe the parents sell their babies. Doesn't matter: they will incur unimaginable debts.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:54 | 4292589 Popo
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I promise you that if housing and asset prices were allowed to collapse by 50-80% people would be starting families and fucking like rabbits.  

Pick one you banker stooges:  Your population or your portfolio.  Because you can't have both.  And you're losing your population at record speed. 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 12:00 | 4076158 MsCreant
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Interesting stuff Fool. I don't totally buy it, but there are valid points brought up that regardless of the over all frame, merit attention. Thanks for posting.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 16:26 | 4077135 Motley Fool
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You are welcome Ms. If you have the time, have a look at her videos starting from the earliest. You will see a lot moe valid thoughts that are never aired.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:07 | 4075489 Running On Bing...
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Question is: how am I going to sell my bow-chik-a-wow-wow when sexy don't sell?

We need the sexy to ferment the frenzy. MOAR Bitchez!

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 12:39 | 4293368 boogerbently
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Yeah,

What do advertisers "appeal" to, over there?

Seems like we need to trade out the feminines over there, for the feminists, over here.

Win/Win !

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:10 | 4075210 defender
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I have never understood this push to call a lack of interest in sex asexual.  There have been groups all over the world that have practiced lives without sex, and they all call themselves celibate.  Why would someone think that just because they have no interest in sex, that they loose all of their inherent sexual nature (genitals for instance)?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:42 | 4075324 fockewulf190
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Sex...drugs..and rock and roll! Well at least the drugs and the rock and roll please!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:46 | 4075542 Kobe Beef
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How about Starbucks and AKB 48? Will that do it for you?

Me neither.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 11:12 | 4075910 MicroSecession
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Celibacy refers to action - whether or not you have sex.  There are plenty of celibate people who have plenty of attraction and desire, but choose not to act on it.  Asexual is the lack of desire.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 12:00 | 4076150 MsCreant
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Defender,

Not all folks who are celibate are asexual. Those who are asexual have no interest in sex. Those who are celibate may well have an interest and urges, but their whole thing is to not answer that particular call of nature for a higher good they believe they will get out of the process of forgoing sex. It might go something like "I have these feelings but I serve God better by not pursing them. That energy goes elsewhere. In exchange, the relationships I have with my parishioners contains a level of trust that otherwise may not be there."

I don't agree that repressing this urge for one's whole life is a good thing. I am commenting on the difference between being asexual vs. celibate. I usually enjoy your comments BTW.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 01:15 | 4292550 Stockmonger
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Disappointed that there are absolutely no pictures on the asexuality.org site.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 12:22 | 4293311 boogerbently
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I clicked on it, too. What I though was funny/sad, is that they seem to be in some sort of self-preservational denial. They are embracing their condition, rather than trying to cure it. (not unlike homosexuality)

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:13 | 4075070 FEDbuster
Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:41 | 4075233 giggler321
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So that's what all the power outtage issues were all about when their nukes shutdown.  Spuring baby booms, accept those are battery powered right?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:22 | 4075258 Peter Pan
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The only way to reverse the trend in Japan is to get rid of those life size sex dolls and make them illegal.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:44 | 4075329 fockewulf190
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Bullish xvideos IPO.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:56 | 4075031 Harry Dong
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Explain gaza?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:12 | 4075068 Harbanger
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They have hope.  Do you?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:40 | 4075229 Manthong
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“It matters not how high up or how low down you are, but only the direction in which you are tending.”

I heard this years ago on an Earl Nightengale tape.. he may have gotten it from Napoleon Hill or someone..

But in this regard, I submit that the banks and the “leadership” who pilot our economy and society have their joysticks pushed full forward.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:22 | 4075509 CH1
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+5 for the mere mention of Earl Nightingale.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:21 | 4075083 icanhasbailout
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They DO their their futures will be better than today. Today is pretty miserable for them.

 

In Japan, today is pretty comfortable. Peak Comfortable, one might say.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:45 | 4075330 fockewulf190
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Never knew that Depends could be so comfortable.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:00 | 4075041 Freddie
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+1 Bingo. Sad but true.  Hopelessness.

The only happy story is Russia was in the same place and it is improving slightly.   The US is headed in this direction for productive people not brainwashed by TV and Hollywood's shit.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:29 | 4075220 Lost My Shorts
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I think you are projecting American defeatism on the Japanese, and the phenomenon there is different.  I lived there six months and have other means of insight.  It's enough to make me dangerous though not expert.

Japan is an example of what happens when a traditional culture is unzipped by exposure to the outside, something which has been observed hundreds of times with traditional cultures around the world that collapsed on a small scale after exposure to foreign influence.  Traditional cultures often have severe internal pressures (and Japan is the champion of that), but as long as people know nothing different, they don't perceive any alternative or step out of line.  But expose them to outside thinking, and they start to perceive choices and rebel.

In Japan, the traditional sex roles are very strict, and very unappealing to many women.  It's get married, have child, stay home, keep house, period.  There is nothing quite so dismal as an older Japanese woman who lived that life and is now so bitter she would like to kill the world with her eyes.  Plus the salaryman life is very unappealing to many men -- work long hours, go out afterward drunking and ass-kissing with your boss whom you pretend to like, then get discarded when they are tired of you.

But it's also a strong face-culture, where if you don't match the traditional pattern, you lose face.  If you are a Japanese man, and your wife has a career, and you share the shopping, cooking, house cleaning, and child raising -- you are just a pussy doormat, a walking humiliation who has no chance to rise through the ranks of your company and be a success.  You can't do your own thing, or be yourself in Japan, except in the shadows, alone, avoiding scrutiny.  This strange but ruthless vise in which people are trapped.

Ironic thing is, aside from Fukushima radiation, Japan is a delightful place to live.  Not Tokyo, which is all about long train rides, crazy prices, and crushing crowds.  But the rest of the country, the small cities and towns.  It's the nicest place I lived since 1970s America.  (I often dream of forming an expat colony of wired workers there in one of the semi-abandoned small towns.)  If thoughts of the future were the only thing weighing on Japan, they would be screwing like rabbits.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 11:37 | 4075996 Comebackkid
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I haved lived and worked in Japan for three years now and I agree with the above. That being said, My sex life is quite fulfilling and I find that Japanese women are usually very enthusiastic once the Jade Gate has been opened once.

A lot of it from my perspective is young women feel they must marry a man making 80-90k plus a year. The problem is that there are very few men in their twenties earning these salaries. The women wait and end up waiting until they are thirty, then they have an extremely hard time finding a husband. They have a term for it, The Christmas Cake Syndrome. In Japan, everyone buys cakes for Christmas, up until the 24th prices are quite high. The one I bought for my girlfriend was roughly 150 dollars. The day of Christmas, the prices fall dramatically. This is an analogy for women, their marriage potential is very high until they turn twenty-five at which time their value as a potential wife plummets.

On the side, all serious, hard working fellows operate like neutered eunuchs when around women. The only guys out there seeking sex partners are the "fuck ups." The "good guys" guys have no ability to engage women conversationally, let alone flip the switches in a woman's mind that gets her thinking about sex. They want an Anime heroine to come rescue them. These guys get to thirty and give up, making excuses that it's too troublesome.

The reality is that the perception and ideal of marriage here is not congruent with the more modern Japan. The Japanese probably have the least ability to adapt and change out of any Asian country. You couple that with crippling social burdens that demand that the twenty year olds support a bunch of self-entitled baby boomers, who grew up in a highly wealth generating period and who already posses more savings than any young worker, rather then receiving the fruits of their labor to direct towards their own futures, and you create a climate where many feel marriage is outside their "capacity."

On a final note, the men here often complain to me that it's unfair that white guys get attention. I don't find that to be necessarily true. I know plenty of loser white men here with no sexual experience with Japanese women. On the other hand, you cant blame Japanese women when they prefer a confident white guy with good language skills, and whose is comfortable around women, to an awkward, mumbling, 135 pound loser who complains that women are scary.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 20:03 | 4077734 MeelionDollerBogus
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so basically those who teach PUA (there's another Tyler Durden of a different sort doing that), best learn Japanese and find a booming business for that age group.
Hm.
Something to ponder.
Great place to erect a store front!
yes, I went there.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 23:33 | 4078365 Comebackkid
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As an expat, if you aren't in Tokyo, Nagoya, or Osaka, you better have good language skills if you want to meet women. Even if you do live in one of those three cities, its best to perfect your Japanese (However difficult) anyways.  Doing so weeds out a lot of the weird clingers you will meet who speak perfect English and honed you out because you are a Westerner (these are the girls Westerners usually date but offer the worst fucking relationships, sex partners, and companions).  These girls with good English that single out Westerners are usualy operation on a complex fantasy of marrying a westerner White Knight and moving out of Japan, and that fantastical image is usually a far cry from a normal relationship. I avoid girls with good English for this reason. 

 

As for PUA, a lot of that stuff only works on wounded animal, bleach blonde hair, 19 year old party girls.  You cant use any of that garbage on a hot Japanese girl with no Japanese skills. PUA in general is for guys who have had such a horrible sex lives that they seek PUA out, but they are already so warped in relationships that when they go to use that stuff they come off as creepy and weird.  Then if they get success with women they turn into weird, misogynists. (my coworker here of two years is like that and he came to Japan only because he thought he might be able to get laid finally). The guys that go to Asia only for sex often are severely disappointed because they were losers in their country and now they are losers aborad with no friends, no job security and no gf. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 11:26 | 4082774 MeelionDollerBogus
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with a touch of NLP supported by strong language skills it works like a charm for anyone.

However you misunderstand me. The purpose isn't for me to go pick up it it's to get money from the men who aren't yet, and could be pushed to do so.

It's called manipulation & people get money for it.

Those Japanese men who aren't dating anymore already know the language, all I need to do is push them to date & take their money.

Obviously culture shock will apply: techniques for America or England won't work in Japan entirely but some adapting... and human nature will do the rest.

Only problem of course is that yen aren't that useful or valuable as currency but... depends how fast you get them in the short-run.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 12:34 | 4293347 boogerbently
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PUA....NLP....?

Meelion, you, like a lot of Japanese women, are not worth the effort.

When you posted, did you think you were texting?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 10:13 | 4075715 noless
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The way society is structured makes trying to find a decent woman extremely difficult, there are too many legal incentives for women to enslave or rob you, sex isn't worth life in prison over an argument or late child support because you're unemployed and she found someone wealthier.

Add to that mandatory primary aggressor laws and you've got a provable legal framework for eliminating males you have a grudge against.

I stopped trying pretty much.

Thu, 01/02/2014 - 02:12 | 4292581 mrmister
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This is what happens when western culture promotes the ideal woman to be like the Kardashians, Paris Hilton, Britney Spears etc. All the other girls start to act that way. And men decide maybe its better to just go play some golf.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 07:27 | 4075440 El Oregonian
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"whipping up fear about the falling birth rate". Whipping up fear in people, she says, doesn't help anyone. And that's from a woman who knows a bit about whipping.

Really does give a new meaning to: "Honey, can you whip up something to eat, I'm hungary".

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:55 | 4075027 Mr Pink
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Maybe Japenese men have figured out that it's not worth being a slave for 40 years to finance some women's nesting instinct and desire to climb the social ladder 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 04:43 | 4075301 Kobe Beef
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That's part of it.

The other two, is that they've become so feminized by TV and consumer culture, and so drained of independent thought by their education, most can't come up with a manly alternative except dropping out.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:29 | 4075629 Abiotic Oil
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Are these people in the survey group masturbating?

Or is it total loss of sex drive? Caused by destruction of the endocrine system via plastics in food and pesticides?

Japanese culture just not admitting to sex in a public survey?

I mean, srs? 16-24 year olds no bang bang?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 04:53 | 4075304 ronaldawg
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Ouch.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 06:40 | 4075378 Lost My Shorts
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Most Japanese women have the opposite of a nesting instinct.  One look at a nest and they puke and run the other way.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:06 | 4075138 Triple A
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you know a lot of Japanese men?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 07:34 | 4075450 El Oregonian
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Japanese men have a "declining" interest whereas American men have a "reclining" interest.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 04:12 | 4075294 myne
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

This is a highly probable answer.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:01 | 4075131 daveO
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Close. The continuous radiation of fake money for 20+ years, from the BoJ, has made life too expensive. The writer of this article doesn't seem to have the slightest clue about that.  

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:28 | 4075171 putaipan
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might have been starting with- ""all the usual things" like tying people up and dripping hot wax on their nipples"

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:27 | 4074966 RafterManFMJ
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Oh, Feminism, is there anything  you cannot improve?

LOL

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:48 | 4075009 Harbanger
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After we nuked them in WWII, Japan became an experiment in keynesian economics and western progressive culture.  They're not having any kids for the same reasons we are'nt.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:55 | 4075026 JohnnyBriefcase
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Maybe if they had welfare queens...

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:27 | 4075050 Harbanger
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Nah, the multiculturalism prescription was only for the Western countries.  I know the US has it's share of redneck welfare queens, and  Europe has it's own share of takers.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:24 | 4075163 FreedomGuy
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I think there is something to what you and others say here. I cannot fully articulate it, but I think the leftist control culture breeds some sort of helpless hopeless culture. The results in socialism are largely fixed. This makes beta males and insecure women happy but not the culture as a whole.

Consider this: You are a 20-something in Japan, the USA or even the West. In Japan you have debt headed to 200% GDP, more grandparents than parents, etc. In the USA you are looking at a national debt bigger than the GDP of the world on top of your city (Detroit), state (CA) and personal debt. You have huge college debt because you were told it was a golden key. Your retirement is fixed and projected bankrupt. Your old age medical is going bankrupt and the government is coming after your shortly for more. Your wages are probably fixed in a flat spin and you saw your parents go bankrupt through one or even two divorces.

So, how does the present feel? How does the future look? What will you put in 70 hour weeks to accomplish? Who looks freer, the welfare moms, the surfer living the rat life or your twice laid off dad who just screamed out loud as his property taxes on the dream home went up, he got the ballot pamphlet for higher taxes and Blue Cross told him what his new Obamacare premium is going to be? (All from real life in my city)

Best to just drift along and not commit to career, company, spouse or much of anything. Put in a few hours as a barista and go back to the fun world of Xbox where you actually have a say in what happens...unlike your life.

Does this strike a chord with anyone?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:33 | 4075261 Bro of the Sorr...
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i wonder what the correlation is between zerohedge articles read and marriage rates among young males...i personally am not getting married or having kids until i move to chile in 10 years, buy a few acres, set up my own aquaponics system in my backyard, start a JV wine exporting/fake passport business with simon black, and have quite a few ounces of precious stacked up. then ill consider marrying some pretty local girl who's into out of shape, mid 30s, balding white dudes. assuming im still alive of course. ive got to brave the pollution of china, the radioactive neon tuna imported from nearby japan, a dollar crisis, and potentially world war three before then.

ps ive been working on my spanish: Que te jodan Bernanke

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 06:00 | 4075337 StandardDeviant
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Now this is funny!  Quickly learn you, young Padawan.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 21:10 | 4077931 FreedomGuy
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Nice plan, Bro. Just that plan alone would animate your life. I am considering an exit plan but I prefer asian women and culture.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:39 | 4075270 LeftyGoldblatt
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Yeah - interesting point about Xbox.

http://realityisbroken.org/

 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:48 | 4075271 Lost My Shorts
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You try to lump together two very different things.  The problem in Japan is that traditional culture (particularly sex roles in the family) has lost its grip on people, but they can't find a way out.  Personal debt is not a problem, health costs are not a problem, and the government cares whether people have jobs.  That giant 200% debt is actually meaningless, because debt and money are just social fictions anyhow, and Japan has the cultural cohesion to do a reset.  Wealth inequality is not nearly so great as America, and they don't have racial divides to preoccupy the people.  They do have the problem of supporting a large cohort of oldfarts, but the oldfarts are the same color, and don't hate the young for being a differen color, so they could muddle through.

The American problem is kleptocracy, some of which runs under a leftist banner, some under a rightist banner, and some under any flag of convenience.  You can only see the leftist part because of your Fox-goggles, but that's just you.  America has no social cohesion, only tribal hate.  Irony is, the ones in America who breed are precisely those with no hope, the ones for whom being poor and despised is just normal and always has been.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:25 | 4075312 ronaldawg
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Seems they don't have these reproducing problems in Bangladesh. Wonder why.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 21:23 | 4077984 FreedomGuy
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Actually, I do not lump those together. My point is actually simple. When the future looks difficult and hopeless there are psychological and social consequences in any culture. There are some interesting new posts earlier in the thread from people who live/d in Japan. I think they reinforce my point even if not with the exact same facts.

I am a libertarian and I do not wear Fox goggles. Why do you think I am here? America had social cohesion but that is a different topic. It is fracturing through the effects of collectivism-statism. America will shortly have to make a choice. The ones who breed here are not all hopeless but the welfare class has a subculture that promotes it and a government that makes it more profitable.

Socialism does not bring people together. It pits everyone against everyone as you fight for more "free" stuff and government favors. Example: Immigration is not such a big deal except that other people have to buy lots of free stuff for poor immigrants which they did not do up until 1911. Socialism Security and Medicare pit the elderly against the young. It is the largest wealth transfer in history. Welfare and a dozen freebie programs pits the "poor" against the productive. The graduated tax rates pit all of us against each other. The deficits pits everyone against everyone.

While I agree that all of history is actually about tribal allegiances, collectivism makes new enemies of all of us as it follows it's own inevitable entropy. It is this entropy that will weigh on everyone including Japanese sex lives. Happy people have better lives and more sex and live very differently with an eye on the future.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:27 | 4075514 tarsubil
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Move to Bramford and become a space monkey. Sow a little mayhem. This world has too little mayhem. We abuse each other but not the powers that be. The powers that be should be the ones getting the pointy end of the stick.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 09:46 | 4075667 Singelguy
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Now if only that phenomenon would spread to India, Africa, and the Middle East we might see a real declne in global population, less stress on the environment and lower commodity prices. No wars required!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:52 | 4075022 kareninca
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This isn't due to feminism, which in fact hasn't caught on in Japan.

Look at photos of groups of Japanese businessmen or politicians.  You will hardly see any women.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:03 | 4075252 Andy Lewis
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Looks as if a lotta Hedgies can't handle the truth.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:28 | 4074969 Eireann go Brach
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3 inch weiners and fugly chicks will kill a population fast!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:47 | 4075004 Kinskian
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To my Western eye, the most beautiful of Asian women are found in Japan. The Japanese men might not be the most virile, but they have managed to retain control of their culture, their banks and their women. 

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:50 | 4075015 Harbanger
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Control of their women? haha.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:05 | 4075136 daveO
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Their gals are prettier than most other Asians; but their central bank is even more criminal, in percentage terms, than ours.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:17 | 4075310 ronaldawg
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BS lived in Japan for a year. Koreans have best looking women by a factor of 10. Chinese women take the best care of you.

On base in japan we had a saying, for every one hot Japanese woman there is 100 butt ugly with fucked up teeth standing behind her. However, the Japanese women are very passionate, I would compare it to the little Ice Cube chocolate candies sold in convenience stores - they melt in your ......

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:59 | 4075574 Kinskian
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Thank you for your service to our country Ronald /s. 

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:50 | 4075014 fourchan
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japaneese porn is the worst porn in the world. oop eek onhhh eee noog! shit sucks, and those fallen charred forrest pubes are no good either.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:58 | 4075033 JohnnyBriefcase
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I agree. What the fuck is that shit?!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 03:57 | 4075285 Bro of the Sorr...
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that's what asian women sound like. ive lived in china for three years now and they all sound like theyre getting hurt when you have sex with them. at first it's weird, you kind of feel like a rapist, but you get used to it. one of my buddies is black and i heard him fucking his girlfriend once after i drank too much and ended up on his couch. i thought the poor girl was on an operating table a la Saw/Hostel movies with the noises that were coming out of that room.

 

side note: the asians in asia are much hotter than the asians in america, in case you want to generalize and say asian chicks aren't hot, it's because you're only seeing the smart ugly ones who had enough money to leave. imagine if we packed up the women of harvard and sent them as represetatives of america to meet krugman's aliens: they'd think american chicks were ugly as fuck (unless aliens are into that kind of thing).

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:22 | 4075311 ronaldawg
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It right about the hotties in Asia. The Filipinas are absolutely lovely in their homeland - I can't even find girls in porn as hot as the ones I have had in PI.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:58 | 4075035 El Vaquero
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Have you noticed that their women sound like squeak toys?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 11:52 | 4076121 Comebackkid
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Hilarious!!!!! +100 if I could

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:12 | 4075066 Freddie
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Japanese women are not my faves but many of them are pretty.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:20 | 4075081 Harbanger
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In a recent article, at least 50% of the peeps reading ZH wanted to bang the fat chick in the scooter wearing a thong.  Preference to women is not a problem.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:26 | 4075086 Pure Evil
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They probably thought she'd be an easy catch since the scooter can't exceed 2 mph.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:39 | 4075098 Harbanger
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What she needs is more empowerment.  No?  I'm so politically correct that I hate myself for even joking about it.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 06:34 | 4075372 Seahorse
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All women are beautiful.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:11 | 4075499 Chaos_Theory
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Spend an hour in Walmart and try to say that.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 10:03 | 4075694 Seahorse
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OK you win...

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 21:26 | 4077994 FreedomGuy
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I like honesty.

I have been around the world and American women seem the ugliest (on average) anywhere I have been. Walmart could make me celibate for life.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 19:47 | 4077695 MeelionDollerBogus
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You get Rosanne Barr.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 10:53 | 4075820 LFMayor
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Fuck it I'm caught.  GUILTY!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:50 | 4075122 putaipan
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you might be right. you might be wrong.

i'd call the 78% fungily. a cross between funny lookin' and buggly. the other 22% ..... mmmmmm.

(i'm suprised at you e.g.brach- the most beautiful women in the world are irish x the 22%)

 

 

(relationship request- 1/2&1/2 irish/japanese22%zh'er with her own sybian. no debt. attracted to "new half", brazilian women and old swarmy western guys)

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:56 | 4075196 sessinpo
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Then explain why birth rates are declining world wide?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 06:01 | 4075339 Dugald
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Japanese women have become more independent and ambitious.

Blame the rampant rise in sex toys.......imagine....a pretty pink plastic vibrator....or an ugly nip on your hip

as for the 'grass eating men'.....long years ago a girl friend complained that her boyfiend 'just eats, roots and leaves.....

 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:01 | 4075202 sessinpo
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Then explain why birth rates are declining world wide.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 07:46 | 4075463 kralizec
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And you get clowns like this - "Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers."

WTF?!

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:53 | 4075559 Kobe Beef
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There's a lot of this going on as well. People spend most of their time in front of a screen, and lose touch with reality. Arrested development + virtualization.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:14 | 4075073 emersonreturn
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 the effects of radiation on the thyroid are well documented but its effects upon the libido may require further research.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:31 | 4075222 diesheepledie
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It is very generally the result of the exponential function in population, and that result is collapse. The human race will soon be extinct. The higher level humans such as the Japanese and white westerners will cease to reproduce. The lesser humans such as the Africans, will increase reproduction, but choking out resources will result in equivalent population reduction. But if we do what needs to be done, and build an "Arc" with the top intellectuals, while at the same time adding accelerants to the system to cull out undesirables, well then we have a chance.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 07:49 | 4075464 Rusty Shorts
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Breakaway Civilization, look it up.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 19:47 | 4077696 MeelionDollerBogus
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I think we pushed it too far this time. We'll  need nanomachine arks to spread DNA itself with all varieties of life to reconstruct the entire biosphere somewhere else. A starseed.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 07:44 | 4082160 Incubus
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funny.

 

NWO has the same plan, and guess what?  You and I are in the "useless eater" crowd.

 

So sorry.  And the post above is the reason why "NWO" isn't some static subset of megalomaniacs.  Eliminate the "NWO" and another would just prop right up.  The problem is people, stupid!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:45 | 4074861 nmewn
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Cuz japanese dicks are small?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:50 | 4074871 Rentier
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There is reason why you only see asian women in porn...

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:58 | 4074892 dtwn
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I wouldn't want to be having sex with Japanese women either.  The whining/crying schtick is a pretty big turn off.  Not that I would kick one out my bed. . . . . . 

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:31 | 4074974 Wahooo
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They cry? How come?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:35 | 4074983 Pure Evil
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Could it be the tiny Nippon dicks?

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 02:01 | 4075206 sessinpo
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Then explain why birth rates are declining world wide.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:10 | 4074921 Hulk
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Thats hitting below the belt ! Greenie on ya !!!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:21 | 4074950 Everyman
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South Park again, the philosophers are right again....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G30gIjZWKk&feature=player_embedded

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:34 | 4074980 Freddie
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Yeah but the South Park boys still love Obamie like the rest of shit TV.  They chicken out when it comes to Islam and Obama.   Glad I stopped watching TV a decade ago.  It is for tards.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:08 | 4075060 cbxer55
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No Idiot Box here either. No smart phone as well. Most of the hollyweird names people spout I truly do not recognize. And I consider that a good thing.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:14 | 4075074 Freddie
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+1

TV and Hollywood are total shit. Operation Mockingbird brainwashing of the idiots.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:56 | 4075566 Kobe Beef
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+1. Everyone should know about Operation Mockingbird.

 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 19:48 | 4077698 MeelionDollerBogus
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Actually you would have liked Doll House.
Eliza Dushku was the main star but turns out (at least later) also a producer.
Literally the topic of the show was customized brothel brainwashing moving on to global brainwashing by corporations and moving from within that (Rossum) corporation to end it, and it turned to a global civil war.
Also of note is the Rossum name which is like from Rossum's universal robots or something like that. Been a while since I caught up on my sci-fi history.
Show made it 2 seasons & was ended (of course) (Joss Whedon, surprise, surprise, a la Firefly).
It's 2009-2010 but still on extratorrent.cc

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:57 | 4075197 sessinpo
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Then explain why birth rates are declining world wide.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:47 | 4074865 bubblemania
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Thats what happens when you play too much with your devices.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:53 | 4074878 A Lunatic
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Hideaki has two (robot) mommies........

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:39 | 4075111 Anusocracy
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Hideaki will be better prepared for the future.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:52 | 4074875 tony wilson
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fucky sucky shima bitches...

plutonium gets us all in der end.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:53 | 4074882 abgary1
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Only the economists believe in perpetual pupulation growth.

It seems like some of the rest of us have realized there are too many people on earth.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:57 | 4074891 SHEEPFUKKER
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I see a lot of fucking of the Japanese citizens by Abenomics. 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:32 | 4075176 putaipan
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if anyone has the daniel day lewis "in character/method acting" outakes... i'd be willing to pay big money.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 22:59 | 4074895 Jumbotron
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It means simply that after 60 years of following the American way for prosperity......working ever harder, longer hours to get some status symbol that you think society demands you need.....or your spouse demands, never having time to pause, reflect, spend time with family, nurture......just work on that fucking, all consuming treadmill for the Powers That Be.....The Masters of the Universe......the young Japanese are saying FUCK IT.

Unfortunately human relationships got so tied up and fucked up in the system that they are throwing that out as well.  There is only so much BULLSHIT a person can handle.....and there is so much bullshit that comes naturally in any relationship.  But when LIFE itself is so full of BULLSHIT then the human relationship is one of the easier things to toss overboard.

Sad and self destructing. 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:21 | 4075082 Freddie
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A society created around that MIC shit McArthur and the Yakuza plus Samuri and the other stuff.  McCarthur, Patton, and Ike.  The scum who attacked the Bonus Army.  F them.  Smedley Butler supported the Bonus Army. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, one of the most popular military figures of the time, visited their camp to back the effort and encourage them.


Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:00 | 4074899 MrButtoMcFarty
Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:09 | 4074919 Pure Evil
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Not enough penis enlargement spam emails.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 01:57 | 4075198 sessinpo
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Then explain why birth rates are declining world wide.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:02 | 4074904 Seize Mars
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This is what central planners miss, in their hysterical rush to control population growth. Reproduction can be and will be self-regulating; we don't need any centralized control in order to manage population on this planet. Having a big brood, or having none at all, will be decisions made by people with one thought in mind: what is incentivised is preferred. When having a family helps, people do it. When it doesn't help, people don't do it.

So once again I say to the central planners - fuck off and leave everyone alone.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:20 | 4074946 dudeman
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Well said sir.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 19:49 | 4077699 MeelionDollerBogus
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There is no such rush: it's the opposite. They count on propaganda to make more babies since they assume the urge to comply is strong, especially with welfare handouts to act as an accomplice. Yet people are smart enough to know suffering in poverty is not right & will make less babies or move to make them in an affordable culture.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 21:29 | 4078004 FreedomGuy
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If only we could. The central planners are firmly in charge. They know exactly what is best until it is proven they do not and then they have a new plan which they surely know is best until it is proven they do not and then they have a new plan...

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:05 | 4074909 Reaper
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Gore and the warmers would delight, except for Muslims and the third world. A Darwinian solution willingly chosen. Who'll be there when they're old and gray? What happened to the Shakers? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers A brave new world where the formerly productive self-destruct and the un-productive multiply. Who'll care for the ageing Chinese with only one child? Or maybe, James Bond was right? What woman sleeps on a man without chest hair and something big enough?

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:11 | 4074922 Tim_
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‘First time' in history: White deaths outnumber births in US

"Deaths of white people outnumbered births for the very first time in US history, the Census Bureau revealed Thursday."

"Several demographers have pointed out that no other racial group in the US experienced a similar drop."

"Such a natural [sic] decrease within the white population is the first of its kind and was not even observed in the US during wars or Depression, the Washington Post reported."

"If the current rate of growth continues, then the whites in the under-5 group will become a minority in 2013-14, the Census Bureau's acting director Thomas Mesenbourg told AP."

"The Bureau also predicts that just in five years minorities will become the majority of children under 18."

"Also, data revealed that white women are more likely to be childless than Hispanic or African American women."

"The economic recession that hit the US in 2007 also had a negative impact on birth rates, as more white women believed that they could not afford to have more kids."

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:35 | 4074984 Kinskian
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Mission Accomplished. And for the childless white men and women, a colored immigrant will likely be the last person they see before dying alone in a nursing home or hospice.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 05:31 | 4075315 ronaldawg
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And having a wife is soooo much more fulfilling..... NOT.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 08:36 | 4075522 Kinskian
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A stable and committed relationship is the best environment in which to raise children. Raising a family is very fulfilling, in spite of the day to day difficulties of married life. In the end, we get what we give.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 12:10 | 4076234 Tim_
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The colored immigrants will torture them to death.

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 19:50 | 4077701 MeelionDollerBogus
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Just think about how the colored natives felt when they lost forever to the white illegal immigrants.
http://youtu.be/knHE31FtJww

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 00:28 | 4075092 patb
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And that's what's been happening to Japan.

The Japanese have had an unending recession since 1989.

 

They've had a balance sheet recession and worse a decline in real estate since then.

Remember those 100 year mortgages in Japan?  Lots of people have been hosed 

so you have a generation that's been trapped in crappy condo's or townhouses way out in the exurbs,

and the younger generation no longer sees any benefit in the system.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 10/21/2013 - 06:09 | 4075352 Dugald
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Honky, yo ass is grass..........

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:13 | 4074925 pitz
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Hence the desperate slogan of SUKI (tm), The New World Religion (tm), "motherfucking religion".   Japanese clerics understand the importance of reproduction for the continuation of, and growth of the major international religion.  Why the general population doesn't, is a different issue though.

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:13 | 4074926 Pure Evil
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Japanese man only want dick sukey not naggy wifey!

Sun, 10/20/2013 - 23:13 | 4074927 alphamentalist
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I'd say about half of these ladies are making a conscious decision to not perpetuate a culture that makes them the appliances of abusive, inconsiderate men. The other half just want a lifestyle low in obligation and rich in vitamin L and vitamin V.

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