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Guest Post: Why I Will Never, Ever, Go Back To The United States

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

I have been cursed at a Chinese border. In Dubai, my passport was studied by three veiled women for over an hour and my suitcase completely dismembered. In the Philippines I had to bribe someone in order to get my visa extended for a few days. Borders, they can be tough, especially in countries known for corruption.


But never, ever, will I return to the United States of America.


- Excerpt from a must read article by Niels Gerson Lohman

Recently, one of my best friends from college had a horrific experience at the Canadian border. He told me he would write about his experience and allow me to post it on this site, so I hope to have that up in the near future. In the meantime, please take the time to read the story of Niels Gerson Lohman, a Dutch writer, designer and musician who had such a horrific experience at the border he has vowed to never return to these United States. This is an utter embarrassment and reminds me a lot of one of the more popular posts ever on this site:  Why I’m Leaving America by Michael Fielding.

From the Huffington Post:

After a year of traveling, I had planned a last, short trip. I was going to take the train from Montreal to New Orleans. The travels I had been undertaking earlier this year had brought me to places that were meant to form the background of my second novel.


This trip, however, was for my dad. He, a trumpet player, loved New Orleans and had died a year ago. It felt like the first sensible trip I undertook this year. I had been searching for ways to forget about the last hours at his deathbed. He had been ill for 15 years and his body just would not give up. It was a violent sight. I had decided the trip to New Orleans would put an end to those memories.


The customs officer walked by and asked everybody on the train a few questions. Where they were from, where they were heading. The usual stuff. Everybody who was not a U.S. or Canadian citizen was to head for the dining car to fill in an additional green form.


I had not finished my novel yet, but my passport was complete. It was filled with pretty stamps. He did not like the stamps.


First, he saw my Sri Lankan stamp. The customs officer raised his eyebrows.


“Sri Lanka, what were you doing over there?”


“Surfing. Traveling. My best friend lives there. He is an architect.”


The officer flipped on, seemingly satisfied. Secondly, he found my stamps from Singapore and Malaysia.


“What were you doing over there? Singapore and Malaysia? Aren’t those countries Islamic?”


Looking over my shoulder, his eyes searched for his colleague’s confirmation.


“Malaysia, I think so, yeah. But not Singapore. It’s a melting pot. A very futuristic city. Airconditioned to the ceiling. To Singapore I went mostly for the food, to be honest.”




“I’m sorry?”


“Nothing. And how about Malaysia?”


I explained flights departing from Malaysia were cheaper compared to Singapore. That I only went there for a few days, but also, a little bit, for the food. The customs officer went through some more pages. Then he found my Yemeni visa. He put my passport down and stared at me.


“What the hell were you doing in Yemen?”


“I went to the island Socotra, it’s not on mainland Yemen. It’s a small island closer to Somalia. A very special place, some call it ‘Galapagos of the Middle East.’ I think 85 percent of the plants and animals there, are indigenous.”


In the five hours that followed, I was questioned twice more. During the first round I told, amongst others, my life’s story, about my second novel’s plot, gave my publisher’s name, my bank’s name and my real estate agent’s name. Together we went through all the photos on my laptop and messages my phones had been receiving for the past months. They wrote down the names of everybody I had been in touch with. In my pirated software and movies they showed no interest.


“So… what’s the verdict?”


“We are under the impression you have more ties with more countries we are not on friendly terms with than your own. We decided to bring you back to the Canadian border.”


They brought me back. In the car, no words were said. It was no use. I was defeated. To the Canadian border they said:

“We got another one. This one is from the Netherlands.”

Yep, you got him alright cowboy. Thanks for embarrassing an entire nation.

The Canadian officer looked at me with pity. She asked if there was anything I needed. I said I could use some coffee and a cigarette. She took my passport to a back room and returned within five minutes, carrying an apologetic smile, a freshly stamped passport, coffee, a cigarette, and a ticket to the next bus back to Montreal.

This ladies and gentlemen, is what we have become.

Full article here.


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Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:35 | 4084005 Pladizow
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Need to be the words of more American Citizens!


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:36 | 4084021 localsavage
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A person with the means to travel the world is not let in but the president has instructed the Border patrol to not enforce most of our immigration laws.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:43 | 4084057 ACP
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I call bullshit on this story. I've flown in to SFO from Malaysia, via Hong Kong. No one gave me any flack. I even had a weapon in my luggage, that I purchased in Kuala Lumpur.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:49 | 4084078 walküre
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you're a US citizen?

btw.. you're missing the point entirely

people don't get harrassed anywhere else in the free world but in this so called universe of the free and the brave

excuse me while I vomit into my ACA approved paper bag

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:53 | 4084090 ACP
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I get the point, totally. If it's even true, the fact that it's higlighted by the Huffington Bigot means that the point is to use a presumably white traveler to stir white guilt against border enforcement. That's the real point.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:59 | 4084107 zaphod
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"people don't get harrassed anywhere else in the free world"

Don't get harrassed, are you kidding me. The last time I went to Brazil the visa fee was +$100 for US passport, around $50 for Canada, UK, Auz, and free for everyone else.

Selecting certain people out for "fees" is harrassment IMHO. After that try traveling across the china russia boarder with a US passport and see what happens.

I've also traveled the canada line many times, have a stuffed passport with similar visas, and never had an issue or saw someone else have an issue. The US Canada boarder is wide open for all people. It's crazy to think anything else.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:02 | 4084126 walküre
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Brazil doesn't take money from Germans if they want to enter. Wonder why that is. So the Brazilians are maybe racist or they have a bilateral agreement with Germany and the EU. Probably the latter.

Dude, the US is burning bridges everywhere and credibiity is swirling around the toilet bowl.

The US fingerprints and retina scans non US and non Canadians. It's as Orwellian as it gets. Nobody else does that afaik.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:08 | 4084158 Skateboarder
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"The US fingerprints and retina scans non US and non Canadians. It's as Orwellian as it gets. Nobody else does that afaik."

Abu Dhabi was doing it the last time I passed through in '12. Fuck no, I am not getting off at Abu Dhabi lololo.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:19 | 4084183 zaphod
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"The US fingerprints and retina scans non US and non Canadians. It's as Orwellian as it gets. Nobody else does that afaik."

Again complete nonsense. Many countries do this. Have you ever traveled at all?

But at least the US uses modern technology. Brazil used ink on all ten fingers for awhile to protest the US (at least until the ran out of ink after 6 months or something and the Brazilians forgot the whole thing). Ink sucks, modern US scanner OK in my book. 

The US has a right to understand people entering and exiting, every in the world country does this. But idiots like you just attack the US and think it should be forced to have a different more open standard than every other country.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:24 | 4084198 Overfed
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Fuck that.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:31 | 4084214 Skateboarder
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<--- Retinal scans are okay.

<--- Retinal scans are not okay.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:35 | 4084218 Vampyroteuthis ...
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This post was originally sourced from that commie rag Huffingtonpost. I wouldn't believe a damn thing posted on that site. ZH, I expect more.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:10 | 4084253 knukles
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Had he said he was a persecuted mulatto with no birth certificate looking to secure political asylum to establish a new life to sew hope and change throughout the universe, he'd have been sent immediately to fill an open Senate seat in New Jersey. 

It's the angle.  Just need to play the angle.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:31 | 4084346 The Thunder Child
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To all the people saying this article is bullshit or not true I can assure you IT'S 100% TRUE regardless of the source. This is they way it is if you fly or take the train into the US from Canada.

I was traveling to the US recently from XXXXXXX and they have a full pre-screening by DHS/US Customs before you are even allowed to approach the departure gate. About 1 in 5 people are sent to secondary screening called CBP and if you are sent to that you are guaranteed you are missing your flight because they pull the same shit that this article describes and take 3 hours to process you.

Once in the CBP screening area in order to continue your admission process you MUST give your fingerprints and facial biometric to even continue with the process of admission. If you refuse (which you can) you will be denied entry to the US for the rest of your life. If you accept to have your fingerprints and bio you can still be denied which happens all the time, then to even be considered entry at a later date you have to send $600 to US Customs along with a whole bunch of other bullshit and wait a year even to be reconsidered AND they can deny you again without reason.

The US is going downhill fast, I would get the fuck out if you still live there.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:44 | 4084415 OutLookingIn
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You vill present your papers. Undt you vill like it!

Zee gestap... I mean za DHS, vood like your papers to be in order.

If zay are not in order, we have vays to make you talk!

Velcome to za united socialist states of Amerika.   

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:48 | 4084432 g'kar
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Just goes to show you, it's easier to get here illegally.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:03 | 4084472 Big Slick
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Waaaaahhh!  Waaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:11 | 4084486 Not My Real Name
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Cry me a river, buddy. Just be glad you haven't had to endure what us Americans experience every day at our airport TSA checkpoints. Sheesh.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:28 | 4084816 DollarMenu
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If Americans really gave a shit about TSA, they would sit on their asses for three or four weeks.

That amount of time with no airline passengers would trigger a massive change in the TSA and it's

reach.  But, that kind of mass, focused resolve is most probably no longer possible to Americans.

They are addicted to the paycheck, addicted to immediate gratification, and generally too self-absorbed to even consider such an action.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:53 | 4084870 prains
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it's easier in two words


Army of Stoopid



Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:26 | 4084968 markmotive
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Thomas Jefferson said America needs a revolution every generation...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:19 | 4085135 MontgomeryScott
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I weep.

I weep for the complacency.

I weep for the lost promises of freedom.

I weep for those who deride what 'could have been' in their nations.

Especially, I weep for those who discredit the TRUTH of the matter at hand, facing them, staring them in their faces..

A guy with a commie 'hammer and sickle' has to post some out-of-context paraphrase by JEFFERSON, for the love of God!

My nation is hated THROUGHOUT THE WORLD at this time in our history, because of a lack of interest and moral standing by it's own people.

I weep, now.



I was told all my life that 'real men don't cry'.

I call BULLSHIT on this statement (NOT the article, or the experience of this traveler referenced).

Klaus Miener is a pretty good singer, I think.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:22 | 4085146 eatthebanksters
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I dated a gal from another civilized country who had advanced degrees, no tatoos and was an Olympian...when her assignment was done she had to leave. She was productive and a great add to our society. Meanwhile, at the border we open the doors to folks incapable of producing enough to not be a burden on our society. Who the fuck is in charge of this fucking nuthouse? 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:50 | 4085239 fourchan
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sorry canadian for our faggot militarized boarder guards,

they are just in training to be the new nazis.


blame the muslims islamists and bush. they all won.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 04:58 | 4085367 New World Chaos
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The Illuminati are in charge of the nuthouse.  Their immigration policy is part of their plot to destroy America in all possible ways. It's because we once carried the torch of freedom (relatively speaking), we have interfered with previous Illuminati plots of world domination, and we might do so again if they're not careful.  They could never forgive us for kicking feudalism in the balls.  They surely have about 10 symbolic reasons for destroying America as well.

A good friend was a very clever scientist from Europe.  They shoved him out the door when his job ended after many years.  He is now running a growing, medium-sized tech company in his home country.  There was no box to tick for "only guy in the world who has code which can do XXXXX" but there must be boxes somewhere for "thug", "professional couch warmer", etc.  Such a spectacular failure is not accidental.  It is part of the Illuminati's controlled demolition of America. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 07:27 | 4085521 kralizec
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The lessons are obvious...Canada will let anybody in through the front door and Amerika anybody through the back...

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:06 | 4084919 g'kar
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Don't fly, the airline industry would end the TSA shortly.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:46 | 4084564 Manthong
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The US does not stand alone in travel idiocy.

I was on a trip to a few places in Europe a few years back.. all the way over on Lufthansa, other carriers on the continent then back for a final connection at Heathrow on  a United to Chicago..

I typically travel with one check bag, one drag-along that goes overhead and an under-seat sized computer/papers bag.

The connection in Heathrow required that I exit security space and enter security again in another terminal.

After a shuttle trip through the dirty bowels of Heathrow, I get to security at the other terminal and the morons at Heathrow won’t let me through with two carry-ons. Never-mind that everybody else had no such restriction and never-mind that United allowed me to, the idiot F’tards at Heathrow had their restriction to get through security. The little faggot security supervisor I tried to reason with must have had a bad pint for lunch because he looked bad, acted badly and smelled awful.

Do they sell toothbrushes, floss and mouthwash over there?

I had to scramble out to street level UK soil and to another terminal, empty my third bag of everything important and check it in, my little bag stuffed to the bursting point, travel all the way back to where I was, clear security and then to the gate just minutes before they closed the door. A lot of sweat and anxiety was involved.

I have traveled in the UK many times before the craziness of the last dozen years..

If I never go back to there again, it will be too soon.

Oh, and Singapore is indeed a surprisingly modern and great place to go to.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:54 | 4085296 Confused
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Lets be honest. Considering their actions, the UK is just America Light (the government and its reach, not the people). Heathrow is a fucking nightmare. Amsterdam as well, but if you refuse the body scanners they don't normally give you as much shit as they do in the US. At least that has been my experience. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 23:44 | 4085112 WOAR
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Have you ever played "Papers, Please"?

Glory to Arstotzka.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:43 | 4084412 Town Crier
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Everything is a situation.  Did he provoke the agent's response?  The author by his own account was looking for material for a book.  

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:30 | 4084533 tongue.stan
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knuckles, you're a comic genius, pure gold

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:52 | 4084262 Fortunate Fool
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I had an aweful experience with US customs this summer as well. I flew from Canada to the US via Minneapolis with Delta. On the way there, no problem, but on the way back, the US custom would not let me board in because "the picture in my passport is pasted and not scanned!" (my passport from a EU country was issued 7 years ago and back then, they would still paste pictures on passports).

I tried to talk to them, let them know that I had cross the US border with the very same passport 7 times in the last 5 years without any issue. They wouldn't give a shit and we were stuck at the Singapore airport. I was with the wife and a young toddler. It didn't matter. After lots of heated discussions with Delta, they changed my flight so that I wouldn't have to go through the US. It still cost me an additional US$1500 to bring my family home as I didn't land in the city I departed from...

I sent a letter to the US ambassy to complain. The response was crystal clear (paraphrase): "since you are complaining, we have flagged your passport. You will now need a visa to travel to or through the US". Just like this guy, I have decided to never use a US airline anymore, nor travel to the US unless absolutely necessary for work.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:06 | 4084299 Selah
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I'm having trouble understanding how you got stuck in Singapore whilst traveling from Canada to the US and back.



Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:28 | 4084361 The Thunder Child
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Australasia flights from to and from Canada usually goes through LAX.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:15 | 4084496 Selah
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Round trip from Canada to Minneapolis via LAX and Singapore on Australasia Airlines?

I'm no travel agent, but I think I see a problem here.

Delta was referenced in his post, so I can only assume that they offer the same level of intercontinental service between border countries.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:37 | 4084550 MachineMan
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Just think of the points you earn on that flight.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:44 | 4084706 acetinker
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Even if what these fellas say is absolute truth, there's still some smelly stuff in the story.  IF you find yourself flying from Montreal to Minneapolis via LA and Shanghai, a lot has changed since I last traveled by air.

The last time I flew was from ATL to Akron in November, 2001.  Other than the the pervy old lady who insisted I disrobe to get back on a plane to ATL, this was the awesomest flight I ever had.  My son and I had a 737 all to ourselves!  Free booze and the "air hostesses" had nothing better to do than flirt with us.

Haven't flown since.  I prefer to quit while I'm ahead.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:32 | 4084685 Fortunate Fool
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I mreant I flew from canada to Singapore via Minneapolis...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:39 | 4085172 tenpanhandle
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Well,next time say what you mrean.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:47 | 4085017 Flagit
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thanks for being strong enough to do the right thing, and not be a victim.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:07 | 4084303 FlyingDutchman
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Excessive paranoia border controls and harassment sound commie to me allright.

I can tell because I've lived the commie border controls here in europe.

Not to say you guys are becoming commies, but totalitarian sure.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:46 | 4084853 Imminent Crucible
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"Not to say you guys are becoming commies"

Well, we've got a commie in the White House and most cabinet positions.  I call that a good start. And Vlad Putin runs the Middle East division of our foreign policy.  The USSR wasn't built in a day.

Edit: By "commie in the White House" I meant Frank Marshall Davis III, not the wookie.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:42 | 4085003 freedogger
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Quit insulting commies. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:38 | 4085227 StychoKiller
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And Wookies!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:04 | 4085195 Jim in MN
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Obama and Romney are equally Chinese Communist in every respect.


Just as the Chinese Communists are becoming Goldman Sachs whores.


So do you not see?>>>DO NOT TAKE THE RED OR BLUE PILL<<<

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:11 | 4084316 Widowmaker
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"Kim Kardashians Gay Kitten Will Make Your Day!"

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:01 | 4085193 Jim in MN
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Fuck people who can't think for themselves.


Fuck people who don't value or understand the concept of Liberty.


Liberty, my dears, comes BEFORE 'Justice' whatever that turns out to be.


It also comes before Egalite and Fraternite.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:24 | 4084351 LawyerScum
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Retinal scans are certainly acceptable if your computer houses information pertaining to Project Genesis.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:26 | 4084202 walküre
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Don't forget to sign up for Obamacare.

But idiots like you just attack the US and think it should be forced to have a different more open standard than every other country.


FYI the country has a perfectly open standard to slaves from the drecks of Mexico. America could never and will never function without slaves and disposable niggers (Vietnam)

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:27 | 4084363 Herd Redirectio...
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Its economically advantage to SOME for America to have open borders.  Period.  Many people don't realize this, but there has never been a period in history where the entire world was capitalist.  I'm not saying capitalism is the problem, I am saying slavery is, and even though we pretend slavery was made illegal more than 100 years ago, it still exists in the modern world.  It has just changed forms.

Now we all (are forced to) shop at the company store.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:54 | 4085035 DeeDeeTwo
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I agree with zaphod. Try entering Russia or Iran with 50 dodgy Muslim stamps on your passport. This smug Euro-Trash would benefit from a 10 year stint in the Gulag.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 03:04 | 4085302 Confused
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So the US should not have let him in? Because he had stamps in his passport? 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:12 | 4084163 Jump The Shark
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Sugar tariffs

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:12 | 4084164 brunoaa
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it is because of reciprocity. 100 USD is the cost of a US Visa for a Brazilian citizen. Since there is no visa for Brazilians travelling to Europe there is no fee for European going to Brazil.

The argentinian do the same thing.



Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:14 | 4084326 gavrilo princip
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And Bolivia does it too.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:03 | 4084467 rodocostarica
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And Chile and Paraguay do as well. And it is $150.00 or more in Brazil not $100.00

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:35 | 4085284 Confused
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If I remember correctly, Brazil started charging US Citizens because the US started charging the Brazliians to come to the US. Ok, Fair in my book. 

The retina scans for Non-US citizens are happening. And it is a total shame. Fuck that. Orwellian indeed. Nobody does that. Fact. And those countries that do....who would want to go there? 

Everytime I come home I get harrassed. What are you doing here? What is your purpose? Really? Fuck you. I am a US fucking citizen. This is the place of my birth and where I lived most of my life.  I need to tell you nothing. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:31 | 4084216 ACP
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Exactly. What about that AA pilot who was fined $12,000 for flipping the bird when he was photographed in Sao P and arrested for it also. That seems pretty harsh to me. And other crew members were also arrested for no reason, just for being on the same flight.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:50 | 4084254 Urban Redneck
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The FEUD between the foreign ministries of Brazil and the US long predates the NSA spying scandal, and as a matter of fact- the last increase in the Brazilian visa fee for US passport holders was a tit-for-tat response to US jacking fees on Brazilian visitors first...

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:09 | 4084311 gavrilo princip
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Brazil asks for visa because USA asks for same. That is reasonable. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:49 | 4085183 AustrianJim
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Actually, it's not. Two wrongs don't make a right.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:31 | 4085280 halcyon
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You ned to study the game theory of political survival.


It doesn't make it right, but it is something you do for survival.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:31 | 4085281 halcyon
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You ned to study the game theory of political survival.


It doesn't make it right, but it is something you do for survival.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:45 | 4084421 beercandad
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Canada is NOT WIDE OPEN !!! Traveled there several times during the '80's, no problems. Went there five years ago . My Wife and I , two white retired folks in a late model vehicle going to visit friends in Kamloops area. We were put in secondary , questioned for over an hour and vehicle searched through out --Finally I told them that we were either going North or South --tell me which , cause I am outa here .

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:33 | 4084825 Abbie Normal
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Maybe they thought you had a gun, or were bringing in cheap cigarettes or alcohol, or had a DUI, or was there to use the free healthcare system.

I've noticed that since 9-11, the Customs and Immigration officers at the Canadian airports wear bulletproof vests.  Why?  It's not like you just got off a plane and all of a sudden became fully armed before you even retrieved your luggage.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:03 | 4084616 Who Laughed
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Reciprocity Fee. Their citizens pay it when they enter Australia so we pay upon entry to Brazil, Argentina, Chile....

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:26 | 4085153 DC Exile
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Brazil charges $100 fee to US citizens in retaliation to the fees first charged by the US against Brazilians traveling to the US. So it is with many other nations, including China. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:33 | 4085162 laomei
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It's called visa reciprocity.  In other words, the US charges higher fees for their passports, so they charge more for US passports.  Simple.  The US passport is not nearly as good as you think it is.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:44 | 4085233 Joe A
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With Brazil it is tit for tat. The US imposed tougher restrictions and retina scans on the Brazilians. Bam, the Brazilians did they same thing to the US.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 03:08 | 4085304 Confused
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Brazilians are not the only ones subject to retina scans. I know for certain that the citizens of some European countries are subject to it as well. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 06:32 | 4085462 laomei
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Yes, and when the US pulls that bullshit on everyone and everyone finds it excessive, there's no reason to treat americans with kid gloves and pretend that their little blue passport means shit.  It's tit for tat, simple as that.  If the US targets a population and it results in high visa denial rates and excessive fees... followed up with excessive bullshit that assumes all those entering are criminals.... then, that population is fully within their rights to specifically target americans with similar processes and fees.  No reason for them to be dicks to everyone else at the same time though.  If you don't like it, then maybe you should revise your own bullshit.



Here's the simple, most basic truth.  Post-WW2, the rest of the world was suffering from devastation with the other major players either out of the game or on the wrong side of the fence that the US decided to build.  This is what gave the US passport value.  All those countries that WANTED us persons to come and invest, spend, and help rebuild.  Well, times have changed and there are more players in the game now, some of whom are not psychotic cock-sucking imperialists.  Losing the US becomes less and less of an issue as time progresses, until it reaches a tipping point where everyone can just put up their own fences and ignore the bullshit that spews forth from the US.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 07:29 | 4085524 Bahamas
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Talking about retina some countries they might as well surgically take both your retinas and sell them on the black market.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:12 | 4085264 eurobug
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That is purely reciprocal harrassment. Also Argentina and Chile have the same policy. Everyone is let in for free, and with a smile, as long as the other country returns the favor, and behaves decently against their citizens as well. The US on the other hand found it necessary to impose very strict and expensive visa requirements for people from these countries (I won't go into the harrassment), so they simply return the favor.

We've been held at the Argentinian border for 4 hours once because 3 americans on our bus weren't aware of this rule, and did not have proper documentation to show they payed this visa fee beforehand. You can pay it right there at the border, if you have lots of time...

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:57 | 4084108 NotApplicable
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Well, if he hadn't chosen to sneak in via Canada after visiting all of those terrorist countries, there wouldn't have been any issues.

Meanwhile the Canadian border agent was obviously a terrorist sympathizer.



Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:39 | 4084232 Cacete de Ouro
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Fly into JFK and tell them you work for Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley, seriously, it works every time.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:12 | 4084491 dvfco
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I like carrying a Bible and trying to teach the people at borders the Word of the Lord.  It seems that gets you into the express lane.  Praise Jesus!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 03:11 | 4085307 Confused
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JFK only has street trash working the gates, and overly aggressive apes as customs. I imagine they hire anyone to work there. I would be surprised if they even do a background check. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:13 | 4084322 Widowmaker
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Widowmaker doesn't understand, if he's done nothing wrong why is he upset?

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:59 | 4084109 walküre
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Trust me, it's true. This is only one story of one guy who tried enter the US. They turn away guys every day at the Canadian borders while the Mexican border has more holes than Swiss cheese. Entering the US is absolute bullshit. The only terror this country has to fear is the terror from home grown and funded agencies.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:39 | 4084231 Harbanger
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"They turn away guys every day at the Canadian borders while the Mexican border has more holes than Swiss cheese."

Yeah, but you're comparing legal entry to illegal border crossing.  If you sneaked across, you would get food stamps, housing ,healthcare and voter registration.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:42 | 4084563 eclectic syncretist
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"As a nation, we began by declaring 'all men are created equal.'  We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.'  When the Know-nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty---to Russia, for instance, where destpotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy."

Abraham Lincoln

May 1855



Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:02 | 4084128 superflex
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Ding, ding, ding.

This story is so full of shit.  Typical HuffPo drama.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:07 | 4084150 ACP
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You can tell by how many people flamed my first comment, how easy it is for HuffBigot to push amnesty by appealing to even the libertarian crowd. Appeal to the "freedom" aspect and you've trapped the weak-minded. Sick and disturbing.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:22 | 4084349 tvdog
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Because belief in liberty is only for the weak-minded. Right, Adolf.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:16 | 4084497 ACP
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Thank you for making my point.

You don't know what my stance is on biometrics or other data gathering by the US govt, and you didn't even ask. You were immediately fooled by HuffBigot's foray into social engineering and you bought it hook, line and sinker. And boy did calling me Hitler just roll off your tongue like you were saying good morning. Liberty requires personal vigilance against the propaganda machine and the ability to see this is amnesty propaganda, false or embellished at best. And you failed the test.

Sad, very sad.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:36 | 4084529 lewy14
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FWIW I agree with you that the story smells.

And that the indignation over biometrics is theatrically overwrought.

But still... the idea that US border "control" is, in way too many instances, ridiculous, infuriating and counter-productive?

Would not want to dismiss that notion out of hand...

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:30 | 4084371 The Thunder Child
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Wrong this is exactly the way it is entering the US from Canada....

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:21 | 4084508 Buckaroo Banzai
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HuffPuff is by and large a commie rag, but even a blind pig stumbles across an acorn every now and then.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:03 | 4084279 CrashisOptimistic
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It is largely statistics.  The story is probably not bogus. 

I have been tagged at SFO returning from Asia and asked extensive questions much like those in the story.  Laptop and camera examined.  How long were you there?  How do you afford it?  Was it a business trip or did you pay?  You paid?  How do you afford it.  << The reason one goes there is because it's inexpensive>>  How inexpensive?  <<$30/day hotel plus food plus souveniers.>>  What about airfare?  <<What about it?>>  Don't tell me that's in the $30.  <<Frequent flyer miles>>  We'll check that.  <<Shrug>>

The story in the article is a tad extreme but not bizarre.  You have no rights as a US citizen until you re-enter the country and while confronting customs and immigration, you have not re-entered.

But it's largely statistics.  I have traversed PDX from Asia and even SFO other times and been waved through.  But . . . if the immigration guy checks every visa in your passport for your trip and you traversed a suspect country, you lost the statistics game and will be examined. 

It's easy.  Just don't bring questionable stuff back.  Keep saying you were a tourist and show them teeshirts you bought.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:38 | 4084379 Hongcha
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My experiences the last ten years are similar to crashisoptimistic.  I come in through SFO and the guys are pricks, bullies, rent-a-cops but in an undertoned way.  And going out I am always treated to a feel-up from some greasy WOG even after I have been irradiated (giving the people on the othe side the finger).

The edges of this nation have been encrusted like a dirty asshole.  And I understand England is just as bad if not worse.  I passed up a trip to the UK next month in favor of Hong Kong and would do so 100 times out of 100.  Dead cultures bring me down.  

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:59 | 4084460 AUD
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You should try Australia. I kid you not, if you put a beard on the guys ordering you around at airport security, the place would be indistinguishable from a islamic terrorist camp.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:56 | 4084878 Imminent Crucible
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HEY! You got a problem with beards?

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:30 | 4084659 ACP
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Yes, every time you deal with the government, there is a BIG chance of dealing with assholes, because the government is full of more assholes than Dark Helmet's flagship.

Why doesn't HuffBigot highlight Obamacare or high coporate taxes or Obama's growing dictatorship to scare people away from the US? Those are all valid points, but none will EVER be highlighted by that rag. And I'm disappointed that ZH couldn't see thru that.

There is one reason and one reason only for this story, and that is to push amnesty.

Edit: Obviously I responded to the wrong person......sometimes hard to tell on page 2...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 05:08 | 4085312 Confused
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The amnesty angle might be correct. And that is a different topic all together. And yes, the Huffpo is total shit. However, and as others have pointed out, this type of thing does happen. 


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:56 | 4084879 Abbie Normal
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And some people that clearly should have been detained are allowed through with nothing more than a "welcome home" waive.  Reminds me of that lawyer that contracted TB and was placed on a no-fly list by the CDC.  No American airline would allow him to board his return flight from Europe so he bought a ticket on a foreign line and then rented a car in Canada.  At the U.S. border, his passport came up as "hold for medical reasons" but the immigration agent let him through anyway, because "he looked healthy."


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:52 | 4084442 ghengis86
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If you are a US citizen with a valid passport you can't be denied entry. Sure, they can question and harass, but you'll eventually get back in. That's a fact.

The caveat is the "valid" passport, which can be rescinded on a whim. So all they need is to find an excuse to fuck you and it's game over.

Like all states, duplicity and subterfuge to control and fuck mundanes.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:37 | 4085170 laomei
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They can invalidate your passport while you are out of country and slap you on a no-fly list. good luck regaining entry.  Why do you think Snowden fled to Russia? It's in a position to be able to tell the US to fuck itself and not care about the stupid "technicalities" that the US relies on.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:06 | 4084145 King_of_simpletons
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I feel safe now.  I was contemplating a little bit but after reading this piece, I feel very safe.

I feel safe with NSA, TSA and everyone around me. Snuggle huggies.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:43 | 4084413 Iwanttoknow
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I'm no immigration guy.The kicker must have been the yemeni visa.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:09 | 4084633 MrTouchdown
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Yeah! Total race baiting. It's like coco-puffs. You gotta be coo coo for coco-puffs - why? Because they black! If yo cereal got too many colors, you must be flippin som trix, dawg. If yo cereal be white, then you must be doin a sensible morning diet with a daily allowance of fiber.


You know... it could just be that the government pays people to be worthless assholes. Just a thought.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:53 | 4084733 Milestones
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Wow! that little piece of retoric Just"took my breathe away" (Serigo and Brasil 66)             Milestones

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:22 | 4084805 TaperProof
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I'm with you on hating the huffington post.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:00 | 4084115 twh99
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That's not true.  As a student I travelled Germany, east and west at the time.  Everyone was hassled crossing the border from West Germany to East Germany and back.

America does not have a lock on the harrassment market.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:23 | 4084190 brunoaa
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The spaniards used to harass Brazilian travellers at the border, even getting to the point of keeping  an 80 years old lady prisonner at the airport for two days. After a few years of unsuccesful negociations, the Brazilian started to do the same with spanish travellers one a one to one basis (for each brazilian which was denied entry, they would do the same for a spanish traveller). Brazil denied that it was the case just like the spaniards used to do.

This stategy did wonders and after three momths the spaniards folded.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:23 | 4084196 johnQpublic
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when i was younger i needed no passport to travel to and from canada

toured belgium, germany, france, italy, switzerland, austria,dominican republic, saudi and iraq

i have never owned a passport and am a US ctizen

i havent left the country since we went all nazi psycho

i have only once been harrassed at a border

going into canada with gymnastic chalk in a ziplock bag after telling the customs guy we were not the droids they were looking for


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:34 | 4084544 Vendetta
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Not to diss your comment at all because I can't stand flying commercial domestically or internationally but when myself and a group of some 30 folks flew to Mexico City on a private jet, we had to land at a lower altitude airport from the one we wanted to get to.  There were about 5 people who actually worked at the airport since it didn't have much air traffic but we were greeted by about 75 members of the mexican army and thoroughly 'vetted' thru their 'process' before being allowed to continue on to our actual destination airport.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:46 | 4084567 Comebackkid
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I'm guessing you aren't an expat...

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:55 | 4085030 bilbert
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Really!!  Will NEVER, EVER, Go back to the U.S.??

Seems like a lot of ZH'ers travel internationally - not surprising, but to make a blanket condemnation based on an encounter with a border agent who was:

1. a dumbfuck redneck

2. PMS'ing

3. having a shitty day

4. felt the need to "pull rank" 'cause they can't travel the world like you do.

5.  etc., etc., etc.,

You also didn't mention what you look like - when I was a younger, (much) scruffier traveller, I caught a lot of shit crossing borders.  Now, as a well-dressed (yep - I dress up and shave when I travel internationally) balding elder boomer, I'm pretty much "invisible" unless I come across an agent in category 1-3 above (still happens).

I'm not saying that the U.S. is a paradigm of virtue, but to write a "hit piece" based on one encounter with one border agent seems a bit, well, bitchy.

If you have experienced this same Neanderthal treatment coming into the States from Rio, Seoul, Vancouver, Beijing, Jakarta, Mexico City, Heathrow, Dusseldorf, well then, maybe.................

Please let us know.




Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:54 | 4084095 Obamamerica
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I too call Bull Crapola for 1 reason. Border Patrol has been ordered to not question anyone coming from Islamic countries. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:26 | 4084206 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Exactly. It is not just them either. Anything domestic with 3 letters is not allowed to discriminate against Muslims or Muslim friendly types unless it is tied in some database to non domestic 3 letter terryist criteria. That is the word on the street anyways.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 04:13 | 4085346 Disenchanted
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Yeah, fuck that commie Zionist HuffBlow! When I want factless opinions I always turn to the Weekly Standard and their fascist Zionist compadres.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:27 | 4084524 Buckaroo Banzai
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The guy is white and not a citizen of an Islamic country.

It's the Islamic citizens of Islamic countries that they are not allowed to discriminate against.

You know, because only 100% of terrorist acts have been committed by Islamic citizens of Islamic countries. So why would you discriminate against them?

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 23:57 | 4085130 401K of Dooom
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Hi ACP, did you have a declaration with you concerning the firearm that was in your luggage?  Just checking.  Because the one thing airport personnel of any organization do not want to deal with is an undeclared firearm. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 21:18 | 4084786 underman
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Coming back from Vancouver last summer, the US border guard asked why we went to Vancouver.  After we replied about it being a leisure trip, he nodded down the tip of his nose, and commented that he'd never been, with a tone that implied - nor is he interested in doing so.  It left me with a feeling that he questioned any desire whatsoever by an American to see the rest of the world.  Profound.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:22 | 4084958 object_orient
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It's really not surprising. On a percentage basis, very few Americans have passports. They are afraid and ignorant of the outside world and consider themselves and their country exceptional. Go figure.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 01:39 | 4085229 Real Estate Geek
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That's true to some extent, but this is also a really big country. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:27 | 4085157 drendebe10
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What else would u expect from someone born in Kenya, lied repeayedly to the people who elected him, went to bed while 4 Americans died in Bengazi, tell people their health care will be cheaper, who distracts the country eith fabricated crises from numerous scandals, lives a. despicable grand imperial lifestyle while tsx paing Americans struggle and t. he country slides towatds recession, prints money and more money, runs a more corrupt and invasive government than ever in ojr countrys history.  

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:15 | 4085270 Diogenes
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And has driven you to getting pissed and typing incoherent abuse at midnight.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:45 | 4084061 SMG
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Freedom, the melting pot, kindness to a stranger, hard working, we're all in this together, no more kings/royalty, moral, heroic, honest, pioneering, meritocracy, charitable, inginuity,  second chances....

I know this isn't the USA now.

But it's still here somewhere.

Maybe we can find it after the collapse.

Maybe it can be that someday.


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:23 | 4084514 Kassandra
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On thing I know for sure, the next time I leave the U.S., I am not coming back.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:40 | 4084557 donsluck
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I like the cut of your jib!

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:45 | 4084066 El Vaquero
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The SCOTUS approved those stops too, but with the caveat that they are for a very short duration and only to check for citizenship.  Yet they make all sorts of drug busts at those interior checkpoints.  In fact, they bust more people for drugs than they do for illegal immigration by a very wide margin.  The checkpoints are defacto drug checkpoints if you go by the numbers, and the agents tend to get rather pissy if you don't act like a mindless sheep.  It's a prime example of why things like the 4th amendment should be a bright line, never to be crossed. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:27 | 4084519 Darksky
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See my 1 outta 2 comment above. Sierra blanca, TX has a beautiful jail. You get to sleep with 8 other criminals just because you had a little reefer in your car. It is the only jail in Texas that still allows smoking so i traded my meals for cigs. Oh and the courthouse just rocks. Its the only courthouse in Texas without air conditioning. Nothin like sweating your ass off as you wait for 80 other people who are there for small time possession charges get sentences of a $1500 fine. I felt bad for the people who couldnt afford the fine. I am willing to bet that courthouse brings in 75% of the money funding shit in Hudspeth County. When the shit hits the fan these checkpoints need to go FIRST.......

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:55 | 4084102 zorba THE GREEK
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Michael, I think you are not telling us the whole story. Come back to the

USA, we have ways to make you talk.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:02 | 4084612 Al Gorerhythm
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Airline travellers should ALL demand a private screening. This will clog the system and cause such disruptions that it would have airline execs lining up at Obummer's door with threats of donation denial.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 20:21 | 4084655 Son of Captain Nemo
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Thanks for posting this one.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 22:38 | 4084991 Jumbotron
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"Need to be the words of more American Citizens"


We're too busy and enjoying too much getting fucked in the ass inside our own border.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:09 | 4085261 Freddie
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This story was on Huffington Post?  LOL!  Well I remember Huff Po circa 2008 during the primaries.   As bad as John Edwards is - I was hoping he would beat both Obama and Hillary. I was on Huff Po lurking for a while to see what was going on. 

I cannot stand Hillary but Obama's thugs stole the nomination from her in caucus thugging.  The media and no one ssaid a word.  The Huff Po posters were all Obama thugs attacking Hillary. 

The borders were not great during NWO Bush over the fake ass Saudi false flag in Manhattan with Saudi student pilots.  Anything is better than now.  

A few Hollywood stars and Oliver Stone have a video against the police state, NSA and spying.  It just came out.  Guess who they mention in the video? Nixon.  Not a word about Obama.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:36 | 4084014 Blazed
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In the meantime, at least 1000 illegals come across the US border everyday with no problem.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:37 | 4084026 Long-John-Silver
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They just come for the free stuff. They will leave when that quits flowing.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:48 | 4084075 CrimsonAvenger
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No they won't. They'll just take other people's stuff. Count on it.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:03 | 4084466 g'kar
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That is the "free stuff". It is other people's stuff.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:09 | 4084156 bmoreland
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Future voters.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:08 | 4084304 el Gallinazo
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We don't need no stinkin voters.  We got Diebold to automate our votes.  Soon voting will be farmed out to Sanjay in Calcutta via JP Morgan.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:14 | 4084321 F22
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They're not illegal aliens.....They are just undocumented democrats.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:38 | 4084552 Vendetta
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I remember watching about 10 illegals walk into the US at the border in Arizona thru a hole they had cut in the fence in broad daylight practically in the center of town ... that was in 1991

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 02:37 | 4085287 halcyon
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That's because your slave wage two-tier economy doesn't function properly without the illegals.


Hypocrisy in the US? Nahh...


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:35 | 4084015 Long-John-Silver
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Anyone that can escape the USA should do so. You should also renounce your citizenship to you can't be dragged back or your financial accounts confiscated. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:41 | 4084039 seek
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The US claims the right to tax income (and this confiscate accounts) for tens years after you renounce citizenship, regardless of where you live.

However, if you renounce the financial system instead of your citizenship, they're SOL, regardless of where you live, including the US.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:59 | 4084278 tvdog
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Good advice, but you will need a second passport to open a bank account overseas, due to FATCA.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 18:10 | 4084313 AGuy
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"Anyone that can escape the USA should do so. You should also renounce your citizenship to you can't be dragged back or your financial accounts confiscated. "

I am not sure that will work well, as most americans stick out and are likely to be harrassed in just about any foriegn nation as foriegners get pissed-off at the US gov't. When the dollar dies I think many Ex-Pats will be beaten and dragged through the streets. The USSA isn't a pleasant place anymore but I don't think Americans can simply walk away without future ramifications. Perhaps if you're a non-white American, you can get away with relocation since you be less likely to be prejudged.



Wed, 10/23/2013 - 19:37 | 4084549 Vendetta
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I happen to agree unfortunately

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:49 | 4085182 European American
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"Anyone that can escape the USA should do so"


And go where?


Personally I wouldn't miss the up coming "Show", for the world...front row seats,Yeah Baby! Hell, I'll even participate!


Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:36 | 4084019 cherry picker
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I'll never go back there either, even though my children are all American citizens.

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 17:36 | 4084221 Ratscam
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I know many people who are disgusted by immigration process into the US and hence decided to never go again. Congrats to government actions.
A second passport is always a good thing. Easy to get. Just say you have to travel to Israhell as well as to Dubai, Doha, Kuwait etc for business. Since one is not allowed to enter either country with a stamp of the other side in your passport, they will issue a second one for you, or even a third or fourth if you need lengthy visa process time. such as Russia.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 00:48 | 4085180 syntaxterror
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Can you explain this in more detail? any links that explain this more?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 03:41 | 4085327 Confused
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You mean for a second US passport, right? 

Because getting a second passport (ie - from a country other than the US) is not so easy. In some cases you must have a clear and distinct blood line to a relative who has not renounced their citizenship in the country in which you seek to get the passport. If your family has been in the US for more than two or three generations, this becomes less and less likely. Of course I am oversimplifing it. 

But in the cases you mention, yes, this is possible. 

Wed, 10/23/2013 - 16:37 | 4084022 alphamentalist
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Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!