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Biderman Blasts Barack Obama's Biggest Of The Big Lies

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"Inherent in the nature of government itself is the fact that it is incapable of effectively providing services," Biderman blasts, noting that "by 'effective', he means dollars and hours." The TrimTabs CEO is breathless in his beration of "the biggest of the big lies," that continues to be believed by most of America ("given their re-election of Barack Obama" he adds), that government can effectively provide services. The reality is "governments are not capable of getting anything done cost-effectively," and Biderman, focused on Obamacare as a recent example, concludes "its all FUBAR."


Some uncomfortable truths...


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Thu, 10/24/2013 - 12:55 | 4086873 q99x2
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First minority as president and the country goes to hell in a handbasket. What's that tell you?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 12:59 | 4086888 James_Cole
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Unlike Biderman's industry which is extremely cost effective and responsible.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 20:36 | 4088601 Hedgetard55
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No one is putting a gun to your head to use anyone in Biderman's industry, unlike Obombercare, douchebag.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 12:58 | 4086895 tsx500
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>>>>> BHO dangerous Marxist puppet

>>>>> BHO True American Patriot

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:06 | 4086944 MassDecep
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Up Point Whore!!!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:12 | 4087800 Stackers
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Nice to see ole' Chuck back in his trade mark purple shirt.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:32 | 4087070 DeadFred
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Door #3: NWO/banker/elitist puppet hiding in false leftist clothing.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:22 | 4087266 fourchan
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a nice piece on obamacare cold facts.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 19:52 | 4088497 bubblemania
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I voted uo, don't drone me Bro.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:13 | 4086976 slaughterer
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Everytime I see these Bidermann videos, I always remember he went 100% short at ES 1425.



Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:33 | 4087074 walküre
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ouch that had to leave a mark or a couple of stains

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:33 | 4087078 DeadFred
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And he'll be in the black by EOY.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:43 | 4087111 Bam_Man
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But only with "Other Peoples' Money".

If it was his own, he'd be recording these videos from a homeless shelter, not the balcony of an 8-figure property in Sausalito.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:09 | 4087201 James_Cole
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But only with "Other Peoples' Money".

If it was his own, he'd be recording these videos from a homeless shelter, not the balcony of an 8-figure property in Sausalito.

Yes the big irony, folks like him burning through OPM and then complaining about the government for doing the same thing (often solely at the benefit of his industry, moar irony!). 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:39 | 4087372 Bay of Pigs
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+1 Biderman has zero credibilty. Tyler wouldnt even bother with him if he wasnt paying to put this on here.

The hypocrisy and lack of honesty and transparency of people like Biderman is appalling.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:46 | 4087123 Renewable Life
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No one dislikes .gov as a service provider, more then I do.........BUT where were these fucking CEO's in 2008 and 2012, with their harsh critique of .gov and in favor of free market capitalism?????

Oh ya thats right, they had their fucking hands out and their mouths wide open for every penny of free shit they could get! Now they want to cry about efficiency??


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:15 | 4087551 Freddie
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Biderman's window looks out on Sausalito which is about as lib as it gets.  Mostly trust fund types, Silicon Valley money and San Fran dough.  Some of the homes look out of the bad were nose bleed expensive years ago. 

I wonder what his Sausalito neighbors think about their boy Obama now.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:23 | 4087026 quikwit
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It tells me that you don't understand the difference between correlation and causation.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:26 | 4087037 Zymurguy
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Not all persons of a minority race here are like that but in this case someone really chose a winner (er, a loser that is)

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:42 | 4087108 vxpatel
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nothing you idiot...the country has been headed down this path since ronald mcreagan...the presidents since him have only been acclerating the ride to hell...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:00 | 4087465 Crime of the Century
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Oh to have a great man like Nixon or Jimmuh back in office. You are so right, my friend.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:04 | 4087758 vxpatel
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Jimmy made a lot of sense...which is why he was villified by the AmeriKan public...nixon...that's another bag altogether...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:13 | 4087813 buckethead
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They will hate you for this, but he might have been the last non-fed-cabal-controlled president. The system bucked his ass.


Nixon? Fed-cabal wet dream.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:17 | 4087829 vxpatel
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JC had all these 'crazy, radical' ideas consume less, use less fossil within your means...get deficit spending under control...and for that he's considered the 'worst' president ever...tagicomdey at its finest.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:54 | 4087969 Encroaching Darkness
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Brother Jimmuh was a total loss of a president. The inflation that was bad under Ford went astronomic under Carter; I needed a mortgage, the going rate was 18%. No one felt he was effective, reliable or understood what he was doing on a macro scale. The Russians saw him as an impotent clown, the Chinese weren't developed enough yet to be a factor; but the jihadis (early version) weren't impressed, his great Camp David peace initiatives lasted long enough for the ink to dry and the "get deficit spending under control" was a loss, as his own party was too busy buying votes with pork to pay him any attention either.

Ineffective when noticed, irrelevant when un-noticed, Brother Jimmuh was a loss for the country (Shah of Iran, Panama Canal, Castro ignored him and Arafat took advantage of him) so unless you snored through his presidency none of what you said above makes sense.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 17:01 | 4087993 vxpatel
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Inflation has little to do with presidency, it's run by the fed. as for your assertions regarding foreign's comical. The vietnam fisaco had recently ended, of course we looked ridiculous on the foreign stage.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:43 | 4087113 GeezerGeek
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Fourth consecutive Ivy League, big-government president, and 25 years of deterioration in one sense or another.

Third consecutive Baby Boomer, big government brat as president, and 21 years of deterioration in one sense or another.

No more Baby Boomer, Ivy Leaguer big government presidents, please. (Yeah, that includes Hillary Rodham.)

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:18 | 4087571 Freddie
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All four them work for The Company.  They are all agency men even Clinton.   Skull and Bonzmen for Foggy Bottom/Langley.  Scum.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:43 | 4087114 Alpo for Granny
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Every damned time I see Biderman I think of this guy from Dumb and Dumber.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:51 | 4087954 zorba THE GREEK
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Biderman should be named Beaverman, did you see this guys 2 front teeth? They would

make a beaver jealous.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 18:21 | 4088243 TheReplacement
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Yeah it's almost like his half blackness completely outweighs his actual political and governing philosphies and practices.

Takes are real rocket surgeon to figure that out.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 12:55 | 4086879 kurzdump
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There is no competition, so how an WHY should the government be efficient in any way?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:06 | 4086887 yogibear
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Look at VA hospitals. 

It's been a mess for decades.

One huge boondoggle for the liberals.

What a difference from a private vs a VA hospital. What a way to treat vets. Guess it's different in the White House, they get the best.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:39 | 4087099 ronaldawg
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There was someon on this blog the other day indicating that the VA single payer system works well.  REALLY?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 17:59 | 4088179 ObamaCaresHugSquad
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But they're free (if you have a disability rating, which is not hard to get if you know the system).  And personally, I've had a good experience in VA hospitals.  I've been on private insurance too and I didn't experience a noticeable difference.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:19 | 4086897 ToNYC
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USG like M$FT grow by monitoring customer input, and AAPL does it best.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:29 | 4086900 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: that government can effectively provide services. The reality is "governments are not capable of getting anything done cost-effectively,"

What a dumbass.   That's a feature NOT a bug for those living off of Big-Ag, Big-MIC, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Energy, Big-Ed, Big-House, Big-Fin, Big-OldFart, Big-OldFartHealthcare, Big-AntiDrug, & Big-PoliceState.

Moving loot to the politically-connected is a "service" the government is VERY capable of doing effectively.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:39 | 4087098 DeadFred
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I disagree. They could outsource the fleecing of America to a bunch of Cambodians named 'Ben' and 'Sally' and do it for half the cost. The politically connected are fools for not realizing this.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:01 | 4086918 Freewheelin Franklin
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Government spends about 70% of tax dollars to get 30% of tax dollars to the poor. The private sector does the opposite, spending about 30% or less to get 70% of aid to the poor.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:11 | 4086961 James_Cole
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Actually, that's complete bullshit.

'Income redistribution' aside, charities are famously shit at actually getting the money they take in out to people. I (and my family) give to a number of charties and have researched it quite a bit and it's difficult to find charties who are at all effective with what they claim is their specialty. Particularly obvious when you look at their actual fiscal statements.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:17 | 4086996 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Actually, that's complete bullshit.

Another Libertarian fantasy.  There's also the concept of the low-hanging fruit that private charties deal with.   I'm not a big fan of welfare, but the reality is that a significant percentage of the population is semi-psychotic and disfunctional and will never be able to "compete" with those who have better mental equipment.   Just life.   We can either let them die in a survival-of-the-fittest orgy, or keep them alive because they are humans.    

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:38 | 4087096 Beam Me Up Scotty
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That's because most charities are nothing more than Jobz programs now. How much do the principles at those charitable organizations earn per year? They sure as hell aren't volunteering their time. They need to run the phone banks to keep their revenue(and pay) up. Meanwhile Jon Q Public thinks most of that money he donated is going to the "worthy" cause.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:53 | 4087144 2bit Hoarder
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the CEO of any charity you're ever heard of makes 7 figures.  The only thing more profitable than running a charity is religion.

from my own research, i have found the salvation army to be taking the least off of the top, (except small local charities) which is why they are the charity to which i donate.  i am a libertarian.  Your "libertarian fantasy" poke shows how little you really know about libertarians.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:23 | 4087214 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: Your "libertarian fantasy" poke shows how little you really know about libertarians.

I should have quoted "Libertarian" (LINO - the ones who keep voting Red Team).

I'm a libertarian too, but I would never think there's enough nice people to keep charities private.   I might be a libertarian, but - in the real world - I know most people are self-serving selfish assholes (including the guy in the mirror).

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:19 | 4087005 monad
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You're both right. Its just harder to shut down a POS state crony sponsored charity. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:34 | 4087081 Future Jim
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Yes, cronyism is bad, but don't confuse crony charities with the concept of charity.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:21 | 4087223 Freewheelin Franklin
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Then I guess you need to do your homework when deciding what charity to give to.Or is that too much work? I know it is much easier for your employer to just take the money out of your paycheck and give it to the government and let them worry about who gets help and who doesn't.  After all, the government is so effective at providing charity that it creates a "trap", at the expense of tax payers.Charities are supposed to be like the free market and have to compete for donations. The government hands out charity about as well as it controls the economy.


But if you can dispute the 70% to 30% the government spends on bureaucrats, feel free. The government has a near monopoly on charity and it is very difficult to compete with a near monopoly.


And by law, charities are only allowed to keep 1/3. That's enough to provide incentive and hire competent management.. What incentive does the government have? Your vote? Exactly how accountable is government and their bureaucrats compared to private charities? 


And that's just the utilitarian argument. We have yet to discuss the moral implications of takingh money, by force, to "help" others.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:40 | 4087374 James_Cole
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Then I guess you need to do your homework when deciding what charity to give to.

Funny... it's almost like that's exactly what I said. 2bit Hoarder echoes my experience. 

And by law, charities are only allowed to keep 1/3. That's enough to provide incentive and hire competent management.. 

You don't understand how charities work.

I use charity navigator, there are a few good similiar services. 


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:14 | 4087229 TimmyM
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Hey James_Cole gov shill, one of them is voluntary-get it?


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:03 | 4086927 Bunga Bunga
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Obamacare will fail, not because a government is unable to operate a health care system  (other countries have done it for decades), but because the Americans are the sickest people in the world. Now mental care is covered too, that will blow up the system instantly.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:08 | 4086953 denverdolomte
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Well said.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:31 | 4087066 ElvisDog
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Nope, what is going to blow up Obamacare is that the penalties for not signing up for young, healthy people are less than the cost of insurance. Insurance they can't use because they can't come up with the co-pay amounts, and they're young and healthy so they don't need much medical care. 

Obamacare was designed to fail. If they wanted to succeed, the penalties for not signing up would be more than the cost of insurance.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:05 | 4087186 ronaldawg
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Not co-pays but the $6000 to $12,000 deductibles.  You are telling a 27 year old that he has to pay for a product that he will not use at TWICE THE PRICE and then he finds out he will pay the first $6,000 out of pocket if he does use the product. 

Are the kids sooo stupid today to fall for this?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:17 | 4087243 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: Are the kids sooo stupid today to fall for this?

They've been stupid enough to pay for the OldFart's welfare scam.  

Eventually, ObamaCare will become Medicare and everybody will be in on OldFart's scam and everybody can have hip replacements and motorscooter they never paid for.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:25 | 4087285 Freewheelin Franklin
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Are the kids sooo stupid today to fall for this?


If they have been through the public education system. Is that a triick question?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:35 | 4087897 bagehot99
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Government is of course incapable of operating health care systems. The NHS is a fucking shambles, and most people avoid NHS hospitals like the plague (because you have a good chance of actually catching the plague during your stay). 

And if cost-effectiveness is a measure of competence, the NHS looks even worse.

NOTHING works well that is centrally planned, and delivered with edicts and conflicting objectives raining down from HQ. Even McDonald's, which is a very prescriptive business, is actually run as several thousand small businesses (albeit with lots of must-dos).

Of course, the government cannot ever allow deviation from the model, which is why everything it does stinks to high heaven and always will.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:08 | 4086946 yogibear
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Liberal Marism is taking over in the Government, Hollywood and in the Main Stream Media. Dumbing down the public (masses).

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:32 | 4087065 Winston of Oceania
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Don't worry it will and always does devolve into strict marxism with a small ruling party such as the two wings of our current progressive party known as D and R.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:40 | 4087097 rustymason
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Yogi, they are not taking over, they took over in the 1960's and have been advancing their radical leftist-liberal agenda ever since. We saw what this tribe did to Russia and Eastern Europe, by way of the Soviet Union. Well, they are doing an encore performance right now. Hitler tried to purge these rat bastards but failed, and it doesn't look like we are gonna even try. Stand by to be gulagged.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:15 | 4087235 eclectic syncretist
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What are you bitching about?  The disastrous failure of ACA will ensure that Hillary does not have a chance in hell of getting elected in 2016, so in that sense at least, something good will come out of it.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:24 | 4087282 NotApplicable
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I think you mean the 1860's. DC was nothing until King Lincoln came along and enshrined the  place.

Fucking lawyers destroy EVERYTHING!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:01 | 4087746 Froman
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Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:25 | 4087286 WillyGroper
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Try 1913.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:27 | 4090567 honestann
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Absolutely right.

And the 1860s of course, when the "fictitious person" seems to have been created, and then sold as the way to "free the slaves".  As if simply [or officially] pointing out "they're humans" wasn't enough.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 18:26 | 4088257 Reptil
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blame the leftists
blame the marxists
blame Hollywood
blame the main stream media


it's the american PEOPLE that let it happen. what? a corporatist takeover you schmucks. REVOLVING DOOR
no one gives a shit apart from themselves because they know the management is taking the biggest cut.
if you think this is marxism, pffffff


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:09 | 4086957 smartstrike
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If by government you mean a consortium of private business, I agree.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:11 | 4086963 Reaper
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The error in government services is the foolish belief that they make superior decisions. Cost and the resulting price are never a concern, if there's no competition.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:24 | 4087031 NOTaREALmerican
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Re;  Cost and the resulting price are never a concern, if there's no competition.

That's why Big-Corp loves Big-Gov so much.  What people forget about their ECON 101 class is a monopoly exists when there's few sellers OR buyers.   Government creates a monopoly like condition, which is what you want: if you aren't a dumbass child living in a Libertarian fantasyland and ARE a fully functional adult living a self-delusional duplicitous life living off of Big-Gov.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:07 | 4087193 ronaldawg
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Project much? - oh nevermind I just noticed your name.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:14 | 4086981 ZH Snob
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have no fear, water seeks its own level and so will this debacle.

nothing will change until none of the social or so-called defense programs can be funded.  that's when we all the government clowns head for their assigned DUMBS and hope their secret condo (paid for with our taxes) will keep them safe from the rioting masses.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:28 | 4087054 Winston of Oceania
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"have no fear, water seeks its own level and so will this debacle."


Only problem is turds float... The ACA is most assuredly a turd.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:16 | 4086991 Yen Cross
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   Headline on Drudge.

 LIMBAUGH: OPT-OUT OBAMACARE PENALTY CAN'T BE ENFORCED -- UNLESS YOU GET TAX REFUND!   I try to click the link and it's blocked. I won't sign up for that piece of shit program period!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:41 | 4087105 walküre
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Don't sign up. It's a complete failure. Federal program with a few thousand deductible supposed to cover health care for all Americans when the majority don't have a hundred bucks to their name? Huh? How are they getting any access to health care? They won't and that's just it. The program is a big fat money grab by Washington from those who sign up and can afford the increased premiums. Those that had good coverage already at lower premiums are now paying more to have less.

Obamacare = BIG EPIC FAIL

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:08 | 4087199 ronaldawg
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Normal doctors most likely won't accept the patients - so keep paying for something you can't Obama supporters.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:46 | 4087118 Bobportlandor
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LIMBAUGH: Just suggested Democrats are political inbreds.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:48 | 4087129 insanelysane
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That is 100% true.  

I'm in Massachusetts and we have Romney Care.  You get a form from your Insurance Company similar to the W2, 1098, 1099, etc.  You have to put the insurance number on the tax form and then attach it.  If you don't have insurance, they add that amount to the taxes owed.

So the FSA has no reason to sign up and guess what the system is going to work the exact same for the FSA. They just show up at a hospital and get care.

OCare is a tax on working people that don't get health insurance from their company.  It's just a small deduction from your refund so we hope you don't mind.  We'll try to make sure it finds it's way into the health care system. - US gov

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:00 | 4087171 2bit Hoarder
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The FSA are the only ones signing up. 

53% disapprove of obamacare ..

47% are getting subsidies

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:04 | 4087182 Yen Cross
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     I can't remember the last time I got a tax refund from .gov. Self employed.

     I'll pay cash for my healthcare, or get it done when I go overseas. A lot of these co-ops are starting to sprout up.

  Doctors dump health insurance plans, charge patients less

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:33 | 4087344 WillyGroper
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I had no problem.

Hope it's true. Even if it is, they'll ram thru legislation to change it. They'll do it thru liens on your property. They're slowly ring fencing us to what will be the outer city slums. The same MO they've used in all other countries.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:16 | 4086994 pragmatic hobo
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problem is, the for-profit nature of US health-care system have simply gone insane as rising costs makes it unaffordable for most ... in actual free-market this would not happen as so called price-competition will keep price in check. However in current incarnation of naked capitalism the healthcare industry have paid off law makers so that they can basically set the price to what ever they want, in turn creating a collective monopoly. In this case i think it's proper for government to step in to bust up this monopoly by encouraging/providing competition. The real problem with obamacare is not that governments are inefficient blah blah blah but obama basically allowed the healthcare industry to write the law itself so instead of providing price competition it virtually guarantees continued monopoly and thus unchecked increase in cost but now with tax payer backing. It's absolutely insane.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:25 | 4087039 Winston of Oceania
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Encourage competition +1

Create competition -2

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:38 | 4087100 Zymurguy
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Right, allow the insurance programs to compete regardless of what state they are in... the limited access people have to the competition is part of the core of the problem.

That's the problem with govt. and a lot of individuals these days - no one wants to tackle any hard problems or do anything right.  They'd rather put a patch on things, keep building bureacracy, adding laws and putting things off in order to mask symptoms of an underlying core issue.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:45 | 4087119 walküre
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Ever heard of you get what you pay for? The cost of meds is huge because Big Pharma is getting subsidized by Washington. Without various programs supporting Big Pharma (biggest single contributor to both Bush campaigns FYI..) the Pharma giants wouldn't be able to charge the insane amounts they do.


PFIZER ET AL ARE LOOTING AMERICAN CONSUMERS. That's nothing short of highway robbery. The robber barrons had nothing on these guys.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:21 | 4087258 eclectic syncretist
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another important point is that what we call "health care" includes not only the medical providers, but also the ambulance chasing lawyers and the insurance companies with their heavy-hitting lobbyists.  In this triumvirate, it is the medical providers who work the hardest and make the least.  If the leeches were removed from the equation health care would be significantly more affordable and fair for all.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:47 | 4087121 TheGardener
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I`m no expert in health care, never had any cover and will never sign up. My health is my very own private business
I want no one to mess with. Some doctors call me their friend but I rather drown them with champagne than take
advice from professionals in gaming this system.

If I were championing affordable health care for those
less responsible of their own affairs (socialists prey ?)
consider the model that a Thai professor I met on a train on his way to a congress explained to me:

He works full time at a university hospital where he can do research, teaching and treating everyone including the poorest subjects for free. His pride and social status is derived from this his official job.

His money is made from his private clinic next to his home,
where he receives private patients who pay him well, sometimes just some wives of rich men in need to have a chat with their doctor.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:27 | 4087297 SDShack
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What's insane is how liberals scream and go absolutely ape shit when it comes to abortion, with the tagline "nothing should come between the woman and her doctor!". But they are perfectly fine with creating the biggest govt bureacracy on earth to use insurance and govt to be the go between on every other healthcare decision that same woman is going to make for the rest of her life, her partner's life, and her kid's lives. Personally, I would be fine with a system that only has 2 entities... the patient and the provider. That would be the most cost effective system. The provider could actually even be a sort of healthcare not for profit financer like a public utility company, that provides subsidies and payment options for low income people. But the systems we have now has at least 2 levels between the patient and provider...for profit insurance... and govt. Why don't liberals follow their own mantra on abortion to take the middlemen out of the healthcare equation. If nothing should come between a woman and her doctor on abortion, why is it mandated that both insurance and govt come between her and her doctor on everything else?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:52 | 4087711 walküre
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The doctor or hospital could charge everyone to his/her ability directly for the services received. There's enough to cover good salaries and decent equipment. Maybe nothing gold plated but does that need to be? I would even volunteer my time and efforts for such a facility. The best hospitals I've experienced are the ones operated by churches and run with nuns. I'm not kidding you. There is no more empathy in any other hospital and the nuns are well trained. Bar none, the least paid nurses are the most grateful and show the most empathy. Career nurses on the other hand are typically closely tied in to unions and the finance aspect of a hospital.

Let's face it, government is not working for the people. Government is working to keep itself in business and keep collecting to grow and prosper. Government is a burden, not a savior.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:57 | 4087452 MyBrothersKeeper
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You show me an industry that doesn't work and i'll show how govt has had a big hand in making it into a monopoly, rife with abuse. The health care system in US could be relatively easily fixed with basic transparency that creates vs inhibits competition and breaks up the grouping of coverages and complicated coding systems where most of the abuse and cost escalation occur.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:43 | 4087115 rustymason
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Medicine and college used to be relatively dirt cheap until the government started helping us pay for it.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:47 | 4087125 kevinearick
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The Blame Game

What it boils down to is that you have a responsibility, to your self and others, to employ the tools God has granted you to the best of your ability, and to go where you have to go to do so. If taking care of some weirdo rich person’s animals stuck in a house with white carpet and white furniture is the best you can do to raise your family, that’s the best you can do. It’s a job, which has absolutely nothing to do with your value as a person.

If you choose to socialize with critters that value people based upon their empire-assigned job, you get what you get. Blaming America for becoming a ‘reality’ infomercial of itself because its practice has reached the limit of diminishing returns isn’t going to help. Americans are like sea lions competing for rewards from handlers at Sea World, to perform, like all participants in all empires before them. Its politicians are paid to deflect blame into the vapor, big surprise.

Sorry folks, the empire is just a machine, gravity with momentum. It was here long before you were born and it will be here long after you are gone. The only thing that changes is the color of the false flag. Blaming the top 1% at the cliff edge while competing to become one of them may temporarily serve to make you feel better, or serve to misdirect others, but the practice casts you inside the law of self-fulfilling prophesy, relative to those who ignore the machine. The universe ground isn’t going to change any time soon.

Social schooling, placing children of the same age and socio-economic background in the same class simply re-enforces the gravity. Each child has a learning rate and associated stages of learning preoccupation. They are all different, and they learn best from each other. The ‘rich’ isn’t any happier than the middle class, which isn’t any happier than the homeless. Each simply has a different set of trade-offs presented to them.

If there is anyone else on this planet that has fired and hired more people with words on a piece of paper than me, I haven’t met that person. I can tell you that all the economic theories are rubbish, management theory and practice is all about people, who cannot do anything, attempting to control others who can, and the self-help books are written by blind squirrels repeating and interpreting something they heard from someone else to make stupid feel good about stupid. They all go nowhere, with lots of busy work in the middle.

Empire regulation is all about prohibition, to feed all the middlemen, with entitlement to stupid, increasing return at less risk, to prevent you from finding your self in nature and adapting as necessary. Funny, how none of the other critters on this planet need money to interact effectively, and only humans are dumb enough to take property paper seriously. You will never get to point B by misrepresenting point A. Choose C.

Assuming you have restructured your education and communication systems accordingly, here are a few practical things you can do:

If you have property or income, help grow your local food bank, provide your citizens with a nutritious option out, and rid your community of food stamps, to put them in a position to learn for themselves. Look at the artificial borders/assumptions depriving your citizens of the necessary resources and change them. And for God’s sake, do F-ing something to put all that dead real estate back to work, for your community. In short, provide a productive feedback signal, out of all the noise, for your children.

If you have neither property nor income, you might want to consider labor, focusing on time…keep learning and keep discussing, here. Help remove observers prism, with free speech.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:03 | 4087755 walküre
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Very good thoughts. You are a type of individual I'd take to a municipal council meeting and discuss your ideas. I have a very similar philosphy. I'm a farmer and always promote all things local.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:25 | 4087814 kevinearick
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“The nerds and geeks are making tons of money…even as the typical American suffers from stagnant wages and worries about layoffs.”

Careful who you bully, because they will be bullying you in the next round, in this case, on a computer from 6000 miles away, built for the purpose, to grow the empire, again. You cannot expect young people in the bully cycle to make good decisions for your family. Re-route their comm lines back to themselves, with the expected delay, proving the assumed equation, and get on with building your community.

If you sell the city critters your land for city money, who do you expect to end up on the zoning board, “to celebrate growing tourist economy,” and what do you expect to happen to utility price and quality? Don’t F your children and expect them not to F you back. Leave that game to others.

What does History tell you about the people that want to play policeman, or robbers? Whatever you do, do not deprive your self of nutrition, with empire substitutes designed for the purpose. There is no substitute for loving parents as the positive terminal on the economic battery. Undermine it at the cost of your own material depravity.

Short the divide and conquer war of wars back into the empire, with a public and private divide.

(I don't think any municipal council wants to hear anything approaching the truth, because their bond issuances would immediately crash.)


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:47 | 4087130 Bawneee Fwank
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"FUBAR...Y'all got that right"

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:12 | 4087215 justsayin2u
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The governmet contracts out almost all of the real work except inter/intra agency politics.  The poor saps that have to manage a cluster like a bamy-care website have no chance of developing a stable set of requirements and most decisions will be made by the contractor by default.  So I wonder if that would constitute an illegal delegation of authority in that the rules coded into the software may or may not be what the IRS intends....

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:22 | 4087247 Money 4 Nothing
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Distribute immediately.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:08 | 4087785 walküre
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Can you elaborate on this?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 17:50 | 4088038 Money 4 Nothing
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This link above is the parent directory I found for new patient codes of the AHCA, aka, Obama Care.

Click the link provided and there are many other options to toggle inside the site to look around and navigate the whole site.

IMHO, This list of patient code may be what their trying to hide from the public by offering a sign up website that doesn't work, and or is navigation prohibitive as to not accidently find new health care codes of designation like this example I had to manually sort through for hours to find.

I was told, 2,200 more pages of this health care act have been added recently bringing the grand total of pages to 5,500.

That's all I know.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:59 | 4087459 Super Broccoli
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and charles wants a governemental agency to analyse thegov's effectiveness ???? who's to analyse that agency's effectiveness ?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:13 | 4087535 dobermangang
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You know how many people work at the federal government?

About 20%.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 18:21 | 4088238 Reptil
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lol at the downvotes
it's the 'mericans that can't get their (healthcare) organisation act together.
there's plenty of european countries that did pretty good before the nazi EU bureaucrats took over.
I blame it on government being too big. They lost the oversight. Revolving doors everywhere now. Before that it was peachy.
A state sized country seems to be the biggest we can manage without falling in the demagogue bureaucracy trap.
even after the EU, the difference between europe and the USA is still striking.

maybe it's the fluoride in the water? LOL

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 19:13 | 4088393 blindman
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the big lie is the fucking shithole
money you call a dollar , mr. einsten.
today, government is nothing but a fall guy and
a straw man; you will never comprehend it
as you do not know what a dollar is,
just a crazy wild guess.
otherwise, i love you.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 19:29 | 4088439 blindman
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government people are to support the law
and accomplish those mandates, the problem is
those mandates and laws are massively and
subtlety corrupted and then the good will of
many government employed know not what to do;
their ineffective, passiveness and incompetence
becoming "just as good" as "working for a living".
if you can get that you can see something worth
consideration, imho.
the people will do the best they can with what they
got in most circumstance and we are talking about
the motives and potential of people here,
are we not?
as was said, simplicity and stability lead to
complexity and instability which lead to collapse
and simplicity and stability; there a principle
of dynamics that will not be denied, call it life?
or physics?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:29 | 4090601 honestann
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Obamacare is an IQ test for young people.


With many doctors switching to vasly less expensive "cash-for-services" models to escape Obamacare, only young people with an IQ below 80 will sign up for Obamacare.  Which works fine too, because they won't mind when the Obamacare doctors starting killing them in droves with government mandated poison vaccines, and turning the rest into zombies with various brain-dimming drugs.

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