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"Great Job Opportunities" - 52% Of Walmart Workers Make Under $25,000 A Year, But There's More...

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On Tuesday, the BLS engrossed in the same frenzy of openly making up data like the Dept of Labor has been with the initial claims data ever since early September when it started upgrading its California "systems" and never finished, announced that while only 140K or so jobs were created in September, nearly 700K full-time jobs were added as over 500K part-time jobs were converted into full-timers. On the surface this is great news... until one actually looks for empirical evidence that this is happening anywhere besides the data manipulating, massaging and fabricating models used by the BLS. And one certainly won't find it at the biggest private employer in the US - Walmart, which just announced that a whopping 475,000 of its employees earn at least $25,000 a year. Great news, right? Sure, until one considers that WMT has over 1 million employees, which means that well over 50% of Wal-Mart's employees make a tiny $25,000 year.

From Bloomberg:

Wal-Mart has provided some new and useful information: More than 475,000 of its 1 million hourly store employees earn at least $25,000 a year for full-time work. This figure comes from Bill Simon, the president and chief executive officer of Walmart U.S., who presented (PDF) it at Goldman Sachs’s (GS) Global Retailing Conference last month. The statistic, which was listed under the heading “Great job opportunities,” means as many as 525,000 full-time hourly employees earn less than $25,000 a year.



OUR Walmart, the union-backed workers’ group that’s been staging protests and asking for higher wages, pointed this out during a press conference in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday. (The company’s presentation is also on its website.) Three store associates, as well as three Democratic members of the House of Representatives, called on the retail giant to pay all of its full-time workers at least $25,000 a year.

Wal-Mart is adamant: the pay is fair.

“We have hundreds of thousands of associates who are making $25,000 a year or more,” says Kory Lundberg, a Wal-Mart spokesman. “And the opportunity exists for those who aren’t to grow into the career they want. We promote 160,000 people a year.” Lundberg also explained how to parse some of Wal-Mart’s figures. The company has 1.3 million hourly workers, which led OUR Walmart to claim at the press conference that 825,000 of them made less than $25,000 a year. Lundberg points out that Simon’s presentation was referring to the 1 million who work in the stores. (The rest work as truck drivers and at the Bentonville (Ark.) headquarters, among other places.) So about 52 percent of its associates make less than $25,000 a year—not 63 percent.

The other side disagrees. As expected, the minimum wage workers demand - what else - higher wages.

“A decent wage is their demand—a livable wage, of all things,” said Representative George Miller (D-Calif.). The problem with companies like Wal-Mart is their “unwillingness, not their inability, to pay that wage,” he said. “They hand off the difference to taxpayers.” Miller was referring to a congressional report (PDF) released in May that calculated how much Walmart workers rely on public assistance. The study found that the 300 employees at one Supercenter in Wisconsin required some $900,000 worth of public assistance a year. Catherine Ruetschlin, an analyst at Demos, the progressive policy center, noted during the press conference that raising wages can be good for the overall economy. “Putting money into workers’ wallets puts cash in the registers of retailers, and with it the need for new employees,” she said. “We estimate that a raise to $25,000 a year would lead to at least $11 billion of new GDP and generate 100,000 new jobs.”

Trite platitudes aside - and if the workers are unhappy they sure can try to get a higher paying job elsewhere: surely their skillset is worth it - the reality as we pointed out in "When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America's Welfare State", the comp more than half of WMT's workers get is actually in the sweet spot for "middle class" equivalent cash flow. Recall: "the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045."

And that, incidentally, is precisely why the motivations of the lower and middle classes are so warped: because when those who think they are worse off making just below the magic cutoff level are in fact better than those who make $40,000 more in gross income, then the desire to work and be "aspirational", upwardly mobile simply disappears, and with it the marginal productivity of the economy.

As for the angry minimum wage Wal-mart employees, we have one piece of advice - look at the chart below...

... and realize why it is in your interest to make just as much as you are making and not a dollar more.


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Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:02 | 4087176 adr
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52% of Walmart workers should have demanded to be paid in Bitcoin. Then they would have gone from making $25k a year to $50k in one week. Depending on the minute they looked at the Bitcoin exchange chart.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:11 | 4087207 Pladizow
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and their prices are EBT subsidized!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:18 | 4087245 ninja247
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Walmart does promote much faster than other retail organizations. You may start out lower, but the raises you recieve occer more frequently.

That doesn't take away from the fact that retail wages (including Walmart) still suck. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:20 | 4087255 TeamDepends
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Plus, there's the sweet 4% discount on merch.....

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:33 | 4087335 Say What Again
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The Wal*Mart workers have the potential to really disrupt things, if they were to truly get organized.

Can you imagine what would happen if ALL of the WM workers accross the country walked out for even 2 days.  That would be fun to watch.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:43 | 4087397 Almost Solvent
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2 Hours would likely result in a massive shitstorm!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:57 | 4087453 Muppet Pimp
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The guys running Wal Mart have made a smart business decision that since Obama will pay to feed and house their employees, all they need to provide them is a little walking around money.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:04 | 4087480 Say What Again
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I don't understand what these WM employees -- or any other amerikan workers -- are complaining about.  The NASDAQ 100 is printing a CAGR of 65%.  Why aren't they placing all their hard earned money into the QQQs?  A few moar months like this and they'll never need to worry about employment at WM again!  If they were really smart, they would start buying tulips now.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:14 | 4087545 James_Cole
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That's a helpful chart for single moms, pretty sure zh is filled with those lol.

Gawd it's depressing what wal-mart gets away with. If only hell existed...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:28 | 4087620 Skateboarder
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*friendly whack on the back*

You're already here bud!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:37 | 4088927 MontgomeryScott
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back in 1981, i worked for one of the larger subcontractors of the M.I.C. at the tender age of 19, running and setting up 'triple duplicating' CNC mills, making wings truts and other parts for such aircraft as the KC-10.

I worked a 12-hour shift, and base pay was $6.60 an hor (a lot of money for a 19-year-old single guy in 1981). I was paid 'time and a half' for the overtime, or $9.90 an hour, for every hour over 40 a week. The payroll was split in to to categories: 'regular pay and deductions', and 'overtime pay and deductions'.

EVEN THEN, i got to take home about $4.72 an hour after deductions, for 'regular time' ($6.60, minus standard deductions) The KILLER is, that the 'overtime' earnings were $2,70 an hour 'take home' (@$9.90 an hour, before deductions), because this placed me in a 'higher tax bracket'. I found that working Saturdays was actually resulting in a LOWER TAKE-HOME NET PAY IN THE TOTAL...I actually LOST $3.20 per check, on average, by working the 10-hour Saturday overtime. I began to get pissed off. REALLY pissed off. I work MORE, and get LESS? To pay for WELFARE SCUM-SUCKING LEECH MAGGOTS who won't get off their ASSES and put down the BONGS and get a fucking JOB?

We have this 'greeter' at the local Walmart, put there like a 'poster-child'. She must weigh 380 lbe, as she sits there in her wheelchair, and we are forced to walk in past her. I think of all the tax dollars wasted on people who can't get their asses in to gear, and see how well it was spent, now, in living color. She's about my age, but absolutely helpless, looking like Jabba The Hut.

I only go there when i have to in the line of my work. I don't shop there.

They have this 'McDonalds' thing, just inside the door, where the fat and sick indigent people congregate and eat french fries, their 'single mom brats' screaming for MOAR.

Shopping there must be really exhausting!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:39 | 4088939 Shocker
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Full Time Good Paying Jobs, Now Part Time, Retail/ Low Paying Jobs

Layoff / Business Closing List


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:25 | 4089078 markmotive
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This is what an empire in decline looks like.

Empire in Decline: Guy McPherson interviewed by Michael C. Ruppert on the Lifeboat Hour

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:42 | 4089122 economics9698
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Walmart is a very simple organization. If you work and are somewhat intelligent you get promoted. If you slack off you are demoted or fired. Reminds me of construction.

The worst part of the organization is the PC police. “Protected groups” and that bs.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:34 | 4088763 quasimodo
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"If they were really smart, they would start buying tulips now."



Not lumping all WM employees in the same basket, but...........

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:32 | 4087891 halfawake
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started way before obama

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:29 | 4088912 harleyjohn45
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Yes , it started in 1965 under LBJ.  Obama just put it on steroids.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:54 | 4088981 MontgomeryScott
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It started in 1913, under the 'Federal Reserve Act', and got a kick in the pants under Roosevelt's 'Emergency Banking Act' of 1933.

It actually goes back further than that, but 'false paradigm' posers like some here don't have the balls to study REAL history.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:27 | 4089082 James_Cole
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and got a kick in the pants under Roosevelt's 'Emergency Banking Act' of 1933.

He was actually updating an already existant bank bailout, a bank bailout not many people are aware of:

The Reconstruction Finance Corporation spent $1.5 billion in 1932, $1.8 billion in 1933, and $1.8 billion in 1934. Then it dropped to about $350 million a year. On the eve of World War II (August 31, 1939), it greatly expanded to build munitions factories, disbursing $1.8 billion in 1941. The total loaned or otherwise disbursed by the RFC from 1932 through 1941 was $9.465 billion

I actually don't know if I've ever heard a mainstream economist refer to it.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:09 | 4087512 bingo was his name
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2 hours would not be long enough - I think everytime I go to Wal-Mart i am in line for 2 hours

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:18 | 4087531 Say What Again
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Hey Wal Mart workers of the world.  Are you listening? 

Just pick a day.  You don't need to make fancy signs, or stand outside of the WM in protest.  Just walk out, go home, and watch Jerry Springer.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:34 | 4087654 cygamaczer
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As an anarchist who has watched the development of wal-mart strikes (a complex affair, combining aspects of liberal [we hate them too] unions and radical self organization and wildcat organizing) I would ask you to look a little more into the everyday needs and struggles of workers if you are serious about what you say. And if any of you "anarcho-capitalists" want to bankroll the revolution, we could use land, seeds, housing and the ability and knowledge to take care of ourselves. Give the land back to the people, kill the bankers and people will work it out themselves.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:17 | 4087827 walküre
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The typical WM worker cannot afford to walk of the job. WM has that angle shut pretty well down by hiring slaves whose existence depends entirely on their income from WM. Telling them to walk of the job is like telling 1700s "negroes" to form a rebellion against the plantation owner. (No offense to Afro Americans a.k.a negroes in the historical context I'm using.)

The change you're seeking has to come from outside, from truly compassionate political leadership with a vision and a will to fight exploitation of human labor.

Equality is not a system where one man earns 99% and 10,000 men earn 1%.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:03 | 4088684 NoDebt
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We've GOT compassionate leadership.  They are the ones supplying those WalMart workers with OTHER half of their income out of MY income.  If they were any more compassionate, I'd be the one who needs the hand-out.

You want to take it from the 1%?  Then go stick that knife you're carrying around into the proper ribcage.  The banking monopoly is where this all starts, not government hand-outs or minimum wage levels.



Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:55 | 4089150 walküre
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The ones who control the boards at the banks are controlling the boards at the mega corporations. They work hand in hand on all levels and exploit the rest to the best of their knowledge and ability. When the revolution starts, many more heads will be rolling that are not ex bankers.

We have an oligarchy making politics for the oligarchs. That's not compassionate leadership unless their compassion can somehow be leveraged and marketed to increase the size of their balance sheets.

The leadership I was refering to has to be selfless and visionary as in the character of William Wilberforce for example.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:34 | 4087655 cygamaczer
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As an anarchist who has watched the development of wal-mart strikes (a complex affair, combining aspects of liberal [we hate them too] unions and radical self organization and wildcat organizing) I would ask you to look a little more into the everyday needs and struggles of workers if you are serious about what you say. And if any of you "anarcho-capitalists" want to bankroll the revolution, we could use land, seeds, housing and the ability and knowledge to take care of ourselves. Give the land back to the people, kill the bankers and people will work it out themselves.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:53 | 4087718 somecallmetimmah
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Someday you're going to see what real anarchy looks like.  It's not that jerk-off fantasy where you do monster bong hits all day with diseased hippie-chicks.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:16 | 4087822 cygamaczer
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That's why I grow my own food. I suppose you're hoarding gold?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:56 | 4088986 MontgomeryScott
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@ 'Say What Again':

I'll only go home and watch Springer if OPRAH and MILEY are on! Can you let me know so I can TIVO this show?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:41 | 4087386 max2205
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Fuck...people make 3 x that on welfare....fsa takes what it wants, it doesn't pay for anything

13 trillion spent on asst in 3 years....who wants to work....

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:10 | 4087513 Agent P
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Why wouldn't they suck?  How much should someone earn for swiping bar codes past a scanner?  Speaking of which, if Walmart has 1.3 million employees, why is it that every time I go into one, there are only 5 out of 47 checkout lanes open? 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 17:03 | 4088005 FrankDrakman
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Never worked retail, did you, buddy. Ever been a merchandiser? Stooping to put stuff on the bottom shelf, straining to put it on the top, plus put all the correct price tags on the shelves, and do a whole 4 foot section in two hours. Yeah, it looks simple, but I'd love to see you with a Plan-o-gram and a cart of merchandise in the aisle. It's physical work, and while you're not lifting 50 lb weights, you are on your feet for your entire shift, and you are bending and lifting almost all the time. I ached when I got home. The only reason I stayed was the job was right around the corner and it was all that was available. Once I found something better I was gone.

Still, it's not like you have to be a genius to do it, so I understand why I was paid minimum wage. 30% employee discount helped out, though.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 19:36 | 4088459 nightshiftsucks
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Wa wa wa.....what a little whiny bitch. There are a lot of jobs tougher that retail,why don't you try working in a busy restaurant.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:07 | 4088699 SnobGobbler
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please save some hate for the bankers!    btw... jobs are for suckers...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:28 | 4088744 Offthebeach
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Stripping asphault shingles with a roofing shovel. Pulling the nails. Putting the striped shingles in barrels and lumping them into the dumpster. Then begin lumping up the ice and water; Rino paper, and the 70lb bundles.
Ladders, 16' planks, 100lbs 32' aluminum planks.
Like in Febuary. Morning start temp; 10 or less, Wind 5-10
No work no pay.
Age, 55.
( actually, its not bad once you get in shape. I think of it as getting paid to work out. )
Sleep like a rock.
Hot shower, 2 beers and dinner and its lights out. Every now and then a couple of asprins.
A lot of people my age seem near elderly. Complain about a single flight of stairs.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:01 | 4088830 pursueliberty
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Not much harder work than lugging shingles, at least not that I've found.  And for the amount of money the guys make.  A local builder pays labor of $30/sq on his 8/12 pitch roofs, supplies everything but the nails.  Hard to compete with that


You do sleep good though.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:05 | 4089007 El Tuco
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ya but roofing makes you old and cripple real fast.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:17 | 4089053 MontgomeryScott
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PACE YOURSELF. LEARN your weaknesses, and your strengths. BUILD upon your strengths. LEARN the trade, and MOVE UP, OR AWAY. GENETICS play a part as well.

The average age of a doctor to pay off his student loans is 53. The average age of mortality of a doctor is 56. (Statistics per 1980 United States census data, I believe)  THREE YEARS OF FUN!

In the crash of '29, thirty-something investors chose to take swan-dives off of the highest buildings. In the crash of '08, a popular video was made, regarding the call of the PEOPLE for those same investors to take that fatal plunge. 'Jump, You Fuckers' was based on a sign that was held up in the OWS REAL movement (and went viral).

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK to eat, there's always...WELFARE, you silly man.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:07 | 4089020 MontgomeryScott
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'An honest day's work for an honest day's pay'. I have LIVED by this credo for more than a half-century.

All day, you work WITH your back, beating off those who want to be ON your back (would you leave him there, or beat him off?).

If you're lucky, you go home to someone who wants to be on her back for you, but if not, you get to pay someone else who makes a living ON HER BACK.

A home-cooked meal every now and then, without GMO's...

FUCK the asprin.


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:08 | 4090100 Offthebeach
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One of the saving inovations was the Mp3 player, and now the my Android with unlimited web. I either listen to what I want. John Batchelor, Mises lectures...
So, paid to stay in shape, learn outside the propagand flood ..
Weekends? No football/sports~(male Oprah hen fest for dolt anestized consumer proles)......rebuilding the 34' ketch I salvaged out of a estate sale for a grand.
I still have the deisel to rebuild this winter.
Plan B is load the boat with tools, work the coast, the islands ( I've worked stupid money interior trim, frames to grunt roofs. Light electrical and bath/kitichen plumbing. )

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 02:23 | 4089311 John_Coltrane
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Roofing is tough, but its a vacation compared to mixing, pouring and finishing concrete or building retaining walls.  But you get so fit if you don't destroy your body that you can't believe it.  Before I got a motorized mixer, I used to mix using a hoe and individual 100# sacks of gravel, sand and portland cement.   Unlike roofing there's no break because the concrete and/or mortar you've mixed starts to set in less than an hour.  If you work by yourself, like I did you have to section large areas just to finish it.   Never been in that kind of shape in my life again, though I work out daily now in my home gym.  Still after over 20 years, no cracks or settling.  Hard work is very satisfying and indeed you do sleep like a log!   

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:03 | 4088834 El Tuco
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A working man should never be ashamed. Some folks look at these people in retail like they are subhuman. WTF is the world coming to when people rage at the poor fucker making 8 bucks an hour but the banker and the fucking criminals in Washington fleece the country of trillions....

Walmart doesn't have to raise prices to pay their workers more. They would just rather see the billions pile up in off shore accounts....

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:30 | 4088913 cameldojo
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   That merchandising job you describe sounds perfect for a after hours robot...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:39 | 4088942 RafterManFMJ
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Of course they promote faster! They suffer worse attrition than the French during WWI. You can pass a drug test and survive more than 4 weeks and you get to run the store.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:28 | 4087310 alangreedspank
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Doesn't EBT actually bid up prices instead by creating demand that would not be there absent EBT ?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:37 | 4087368 iDealMeat
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Yes..   Any govt. subsidy will...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 02:30 | 4089317 John_Coltrane
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Could that be the reason for the incredible inflation in education and health care-the most government subsidized areas of the economy?  My mind is blown, my mind is blown.  So, am I correct that competition is the secret to lowering prices?  Could that explain the deflation in consumer electronics prices?  I believe this principle could underlie sound economics!  We must pass this information on to the government so they can end these subsidies (Dept of Education, medicare, medicaid, EBT, TSA) right now!  I believe that would also mean no additional debt would be needed.  Its revolutionary.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:58 | 4087983 House-of-Cards
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Hey alangreedspank....

Sorry, not only do I NOT agree with that, but you are completely wrong. 

EBT dollars being spent are transfer payments of which our Mafia government takes their cut.  Why would you assume that the taxpayer who furnished the transfer payment $$$ would not spend that money on themselves and their families?

You're drinking too much liberal cool-aid!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 17:04 | 4088007 House-of-Cards
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And who are the 14 numb nuts who agreed with you?  I thought we had a better than average IQ in here.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:34 | 4089098 MontgomeryScott
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The house of Rothchild created the Federal Reserve Act (along with other co-conspirators like the Warburgs, The GOAL was the ultimate enslavement of humanity via the engine of fascism, 'the perfect merger of the corporation and the state'.

A certain Banking House now controls the distribution of EBT payments via 'electronic transfers', as 'duly enacted' by the Congress, and signed in to law by the 'president' of the nation in question. This 'Banking house' is guaranteed a stipend in a percentage of every dollar that is distributed, and the workers ('wage-earners') are forced BY LAW to pay the taxes AND INTEREST to substantiate this totalitarian transfer of wealth from those who produce to those who 'choose not to'.

IN FACT, it is to the BENEFIT of this Banking house that MORE (MOAR!) people be enrolled (as they seem to earn one and a half percent on the shrinking value of the fiat currency that they created in the first place), as the 'elected representatives' shit all over themselves, wondering how to gain more (MOAR!) popular support (and, the campaign contributions that they are now reliant on from the entities that caused the enaction of this problem in the first place).


REALLY? Do you think that the people here are REALLY 'STUPID'?

The bag avatar suits you.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:57 | 4089158 Clever Name
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Because he's correct, and your point is only valid in theory. I know you dont actually believe that in the real world if the gov decided to cut spending by $300m that everyone would pay $1 less in taxes, right?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:12 | 4087216 King_of_simpletons
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Next up: ObamaPay

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:54 | 4087441 CPL
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Tom Hanks is already on the 2016 bandwagon.

Four more years.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:14 | 4087539 unrulian
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I'm sure the bigO will have enacted Moarshal law well before 2016 to make the election irrelevant

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:08 | 4087784 CPL
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It's a long way to 2016. 

All sorts of interesting things are happening and as usual, timing is tricky.  It would be about the same as lining up three racks of balls and sinking them all in a single shot.  Not impossible, just highly improbable.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:36 | 4089111 MontgomeryScott
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Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:05 | 4087762 ultraticum
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Damn.  I'll never be able to watch another Tom Hanks movie again without holding my nose a little.  If you support this clown, you are at the very least a STATIST FOOL . . . and much worse if your IQ is anything above 75.


Is he a full-on retard; or just so thoroughly steeped in PC-lib-media-actors-bullshit that like most Americans today he can't reason his way out of a paper bag?


Does the answer to that question even matter?  This country is getting hopeless.


Here we go . . . it's BHO for supreme NWO emperor in 2016!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:36 | 4087884 CPL
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Dunno about that, lots going on externally to make that far of a call.

But when actors start talking politics, it's because someone is paying them to act a part.  Most of the Actors that are 'political' make good money name dropping for whatever lobby group shoves money in their hands.  When you see these guys kissing dogs and whales and whatever, they get paid to do that.  Not a bad thing mind you, everyone needs to get paid.  Keep in mind all the 'off hand' comments 'off camera' are as scripted as the professional performances.

Every writers strike since 2000 has illustrated how any 'live' show is as manufactured a box of cereal sold between commercial breaks.  Even the MSNBC/CNBC/News general, they don't actually know what is going on.  They just parrot what they are told to read, then the actors...pardon news people, get a cracker like good pets.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:26 | 4087289 RaceToTheBottom
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If you are a techie, it is just like you get a trip to India.  Paid vacation every day in India!!!!  Hi Sanjay, sign me up!!!!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:34 | 4087330 Freewheelin Franklin
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Well, considering bitcoins were only about $12 back in January, and now they are pushing $200, I'll take that any day oif the week. I know people in Argentina that would kill to get paid in BTC.


But, if you price the minimum wage in 1965 in gold, it would be over $40/hr today if my calculations are correct.


Minimum wage (1965) = 1.2 grams of gold.


28g/oz. ; $1300/28=$46.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:40 | 4087379 philosophers bone
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Check if you have the conversion factor right.  I thought that if the conversion factor is from troy ounces, it is about 31 g per oz.   1 Troy Ounce = 31.1034768 Grams?  I defer the experts.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:48 | 4087415 Uchtdorf
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Correct you are, sir.

We have some lovely parting gifts for the other contestant.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:56 | 4087445 Freewheelin Franklin
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OK. You want accuracy?

Latest spot- $1339.50. 


1339.5 / 31.1034768 x 1.2 = $51.67911. 


I was trying to make a point. Geeze.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:21 | 4087845 walküre
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Ah, simple. Just crash gold price down to where one gram is the equivalent to an hours min. wage!

Calling Barrack Yellen.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:05 | 4088690 johnQpublic
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"Two pounds of wheat for a day's wages, and six pounds of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:50 | 4087420 Freewheelin Franklin
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What's couple grams between friends?


No. it doesn't state.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:43 | 4087393 smlbizman
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31.1grms...oz...troy...hell even the dealers know that

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:52 | 4087426 Freewheelin Franklin
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Not the dealers I deal with, if you know what I mean.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:16 | 4087536 smlbizman
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i think i do know what you mean....find new dealers...15.5 is half, right? the bag

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:00 | 4088824 LawyerScum
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Boy, do I know what you mean. The truth is I'm going to Vegas to croak a scag baron named Savage Henry. I've known him for years but he ripped me off -- and you know what that means, right?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:05 | 4087467 2bit Hoarder
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$40 plus min wage would be awesome .. to sit back and watch.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 23:44 | 4089127 MontgomeryScott
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There was this car manufacturer in the CONUS, that got kicked out in about 1980, because it made really crappy cars that the people wouldn't buy.

It seems to have reared it's ugly head once again, in 2013.

BITCOIN reminds me of other scams and other 'popular' 'must-haves' like this particular car company was.

Any guesses as to the name of this company?

(HINT: 'Fix It Again, Tony')

The initials have much in common with the Bitcoin thing. Electronic, made-up money has VALUE, because some PROMOTER SAYS SO (look up the definition of 'FIAT CURRENCY', for further understanding).

Ah...The FIAT X-1-9...

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:19 | 4087579 TaperProof
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They could buy TWO obamacare health care plans with $25k,  talking about rich

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:52 | 4087957 DosZap
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Under the poverty level, and all will likely be getiing major NOoboomba care subsidies.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 20:11 | 4088536 MachineMan
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That's a lot of overpaid employees.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:22 | 4088731 Whoa Dammit
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Anyone who contributes more to the company that employs them than the equivalent of an illiterate, uneducated, 20 year old un-wed mother who is sitting  at home popping out babies should be paid more than the $57,327 in net income & benefits that a welfare mom  "earns".

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 05:13 | 4089385 Incubus
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Women don't need men because the state has supplanted the role of the male/significant other.

We're all virtual suckers being taxed for "single mothers."

Here's a tip:  control your cooch and don't make me fucking pay for what pops out.



Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:05 | 4087185 Dr. Engali
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The bankers are laughing their asses off right now as they syphon off trillions and the iSheeple are fighting with each other over the scraps.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:12 | 4087213 gjp
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Ain't that the truth.  An annual wage at Walmart is less than what Bernanke prints every second of the day (without sleeping of course).  $32,800 every second funneled directly to Wall Street so they can retain 'talent' smart enough to tell us plebes why its a good thing coporate America cuts costs by offshoring production and squeezing service wages to the poverty level.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:20 | 4087251 DaveyJones
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Don't worry, Walmart makes up for it by actually helping their workers apply for government benefits. They're only thinking of us

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 19:01 | 4088363 El Crusty
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yup, thats a big part of the scam too. walmart gets to apply for tax credits for every employee that is getting government benefits.
they pay employees as little as possible and then get tax credits for doing so- double dipping out of the profit cheese dip bowl.
with the tax credits, walmart gets to effectively pay those employees who are on government assistance less than minimum wage with the gov's help.

dontcha love it?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:05 | 4087187 SkottFree
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Negelected to mention promotions were only in China

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:05 | 4087189 Trimmed Hedge
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Dear Taylor:

Under your recent article entitled "The Obamacare Debacle: It's Everyone Else's Fault", I could only read the first 3 comments.

Please fix this before I demand a full refund.

Thank you for your time & cooperation, sir.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:11 | 4087209 Dr. Engali
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Who is Taylor?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:13 | 4087222 Tinky
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Tyler's girlfriend, Taylor Swift.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:19 | 4087248 rustymason
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Hubba hubba.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:20 | 4087252 ronaldawg
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And we respectfully request this be completed before 9:00 a.m. tomorrow.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:19 | 4087244 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:05 | 4088849 LawyerScum
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Obvioulsy he is speaking to the ghost of our beloved 12th POTUS, one Zachary Taylor who now haunts the comment sections of Zerohedge. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 05:17 | 4089388 Incubus
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Taylor Durden is everyman's post-feminist alter ego.  The idealized person.  A woman.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:05 | 4087190 Groundhog Day
Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:05 | 4087191 Antifaschistische
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Yah, there should be a minimum anual wage not just a minimum hourly wage.   Everyone who works should make at elast $50k per/year.   That will fix everything....oh, + obamacare.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:43 | 4087396 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  That will fix everything....oh, + obamacare.

Actually, if the Libertarians (and the "Libertarians") had pushed for a 50k annual wage they could have made the argument that people could afford to buy their own health insurance.

Hell, why not a guaranteed 50k annual wage and eliminate the need for all other government assistance programs?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:06 | 4087192 fonzannoon
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These fuckers need to demand 50k minimum and free healthcare and pension for life. Then those demands have to work their way up the ladder if we want to get this inflationary party started. Until then it's just bankers printing money and buying everything ins sight. Let's have some fun.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:09 | 4087200 Magnix
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Store Manager - $170K??!! Sheesh!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:17 | 4087242 saltedGold
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My friend is a lower level manager in a walmart store.  He doesn't get paid much, but he saw the pay scale for the rest of management.  Store manager range goes way above $170k.  There are oppotunities for people working at walmart, but those are like the top 1% (no pun intended)

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:48 | 4087417 Harbanger
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Chain store managers are the new CEO's. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:50 | 4087421 philosophers bone
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EXECUTIVE SEARCH:  Chief Executive Officer of Hannah's Lemonade Stand.  Salary negotiable.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:19 | 4087250 Ignatius
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For convincing the peasantry to be happy with $25k/yr.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:21 | 4087205 rustymason
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Walmart causes underemployment and destroys small towns. It is part of the Zeitgeist of centralization and efficiency that makes life dull and meaningless and hopeless. Not only are Walmart jobs shit, they are a pipeline to send billion$ to China, and there's damn little residents can do about the situation once a Walmart ship has landed. It has the same family and community busting effect as school district consolidation, health care insurance consolidation, and other government led consolidation. Locals lose all control and feel helpless and then worthless. Ophrah, drug abuse, and suicide follow.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:33 | 4087341 NotApplicable
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That pipeline to China was constructed by the Federal Reserve.

If you don't understand that... well, go watch Oprah or something.

Nothing survives currency debasement. NOTHING


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:15 | 4087553 InflammatoryResponse
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rusty ,


that is so true.  one of the first things to take a hit are the local media.  local newspaper, radio.  when wally world comes in tehy don't advertise like Sally's dress shop, and phil's donuts did.   they don't buy ANY local media advertising.  so the local radio station(s) take a hit as well.


then the smaller stores close.  places that started out with 5 places to buy a bicycle, end up with 1.  WalMart.


then the sponsors for little league teams go under.  it is ugly


my uncle lived this in his small town.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:18 | 4087834 flattrader
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Me and about 9,000 of my friends just murdered a Tax Increment Financed Wal-Mart before it was born.  Took nearly two years and thousands of volunteer hours.

Fight back.  It can be done.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:58 | 4088991 Antifaschistische
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agree with you rusty...but this phenomena only works because the Chinese are willing to work very hard for very few US$.   That won't last forever.  When that ends, you will see Wal-Marts closing and the trend reversing.    Americans will have to hit bottom before things change....and then, we are so used to being parasites, that I dont think it will change.  We will end up like England.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:14 | 4087227 RobCrash
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Suppose it would be better if they were on welfare.  AmIright?  How much do you think a stocker deserves to make?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:21 | 4087262 ronaldawg
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Read the rest of the article - most ARE on welfare.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:28 | 4087303 Uber Vandal
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It would appear that Wal-Mart itself is on corporate welfare.

Not to mention the free labor it receives when people use the "convenient" self check out lanes.


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:58 | 4087451 g'kar
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I used the regular check out lanes once and they asked me for ID and my CC. I said "no thanks" and loaded my cart back up and pushed to the self checkout, no ID needed. Looked at her and waved. Idiots.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:07 | 4087501 rustymason
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Did you let them frisk you at the Walmart exit check point? Assholes. Walk right past them.  You already paid for that cheap Chinese shit, it's yours, goddammit!

Or better yet, just don't go there at all.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 19:24 | 4088429 g'kar
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Yeah, the exit checkpoints, the dolts following you around, it's like a security zone. They haven't had my business for quite some time. I'll shop at 7-11 before I ever go there again. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:06 | 4087771 FrankDrakman
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I could choose to stand behind the idiots who apparently have never used a debit card before, or take the only item off the shelf missing its bar code, or people who complain to the cashier that they should get half off because the box is crumpled, or whatever. Or, I can go to the self-serve lane, and get out in five minutes. It all depends on what you think your time is worth. I'd rather save ten minutes that I could use doing something I like, or I could stand like a sheep in line. Guess I know where I'll find you.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:20 | 4087842 flattrader
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Many of Wal-Mart's stores are built with Tax Increment Financing.  They are the ultimate welfare queen.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:14 | 4087228 Tinky
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Pass the Krispy Kreme, mama.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:15 | 4087230 floyd084
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Doesnt anyone think of the Waltons? They have every right to be richer!

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:15 | 4087234 NoWayJose
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Do the math - $25,000 per year for a 40 hour work week is less than $12.50 per hour.  If Walmart does not get exemptions from Obamacare, you can bet that the 40 hour week will drop to 28 to 30 hours per week real soon.  This is progress?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:31 | 4087323 nonclaim
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"This is progress?"

Yes, by their definition.

It is well advised to *always* ask what a politician mean when using a word.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:05 | 4088847 DaveyJones
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and be advised it may change meaning the next week

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:37 | 4087367 NotApplicable
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Sooooo... what you're telling me is that WM pays close to double the minimum wage.

Gee, now why would an evil corp do that?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:04 | 4087489 Hopeful Skeptic
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I'm no Walmart apologist, but with your statement you appear to be assuming that everyone who works at Walmart *wants* to work 40 hours per week. I'd be curious to know how many of their employees are students, retirees, parents who want to get some work hours in during part of the school day, etc. - people who *want* a part time job. That could significantly affect an honest interpretation of the data.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:18 | 4087574 CaptainObvious
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"This is progress?"

Well, that depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:16 | 4087236 denverdolomte
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This shit is funny. These types of complaints and desires of uneducated employees, "SIr I offer you no applicable skill set, no experience, no higher education, and best of all I don't put 100% into anything I do. But give me what I think I'm worth."


Fuckin' Hell. As of today at 4:30p.m. MST I will have signed my Forced Termination Agreement for a sales gig I have for 6 months because the owners had completely unobtainable sales quotas, which is what sales are turning into, hire and work till you are completely burned out from working 16 hour days and then you get let go. 

Ulike these folks I am not going to complain, shit not even going on unemployment, instead I am lining up better paying job interviews, better job interviews, etc. Our countries work force is going to shit because no one has motiviation or intelligence to succeed in anything....shit even if you work at Walmart, why not bust ass and work your way up instead of complaining you don't make as much?

/rant sorry.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:28 | 4087308 Bangin7GramRocks
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So you hustle shit for a living and you think that you are better than retail? 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:40 | 4087377 denverdolomte
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If selling consulting to big data and IT companies in the ITTRS, MRRS, ET, CF, and SAS fields is hustling I guess that's what I do then.

Better than retail? Good job assuming, granted how would you know of my personal job history. Actually I worked for awhile at Whole Foods Market, started part time for $10/hr stocking shelves. Within 4 months I was offered fulltime and a back up buyer position, within 2 months of that I was offered to become a full time buyer for Whole Foods Market. I've held many jobs in many areas to gain experience and knowledge of different markets and buying patterns. 

I also don't have a college education, called this working hard to get what you want. Not belittling others to get what you want. Shit I used to help the weakest links on any team I have been on regardless of why they were week, cause it's all about growth. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:30 | 4087881 walküre
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You're saying that your sales quotas are unobtainable in your current job. It's common as you're being used for a few months before the next guy will be hired to give it "his all" and not succeed either.

However, if you think you can start at WM or other giant corps. and work your way "up" simply because you think you have what it takes, I got news for you. WM is just as smart if not smarter than the current corp. you're working for.

They're all fucking assholes. The top level management lives like the aristocracy at Versailles and engages in games and entertainment all day. They think "let 'em work harder" but nothing will change for you. Their lifestyles financed by the big government scams and other ponzi games. Fuck them. The guillotines will roll again one day.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 00:37 | 4089212 denverdolomte
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Agreed. No I walked out on WM to take one another venture back when, that place is a joke. Your right, that's what sales roles have become anymore, turn and burns. 

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:02 | 4087475 bonderøven-farm ass
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Right on Denver.  I've roughly 6 months left on my contract and I'm giving the energy industry a BIG fuck you exit.  I've been working 70-80/hrs a week since last November.  I enjoyed life much more as a poor serf working the soil on my farm.  I've got to get back to living.  Soil to turn, veggies to dry, and rivers to paddle....

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:06 | 4088854 DaveyJones
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life is short

and it should have meaning

well done


Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:16 | 4087237 KidHorn
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The sad truth is Walmart is a hell of a lot smarter than the rest of us.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:07 | 4088858 DaveyJones
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you could say the same about Dick Cheney


Come to think of it, he was a Walmart greeter in Family Guy

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:16 | 4087241 Critical Path
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How many cents on the dollar of Walmarts revenue comes from EBT and other welfare programs?  How much are their employees subsidized by tax payer funded health care?  A statist corporation if there ever was one... if the system ever dies on the vine, so does Walmart.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:22 | 4087268 alangreedspank
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With 40% of the GDP being government spending, well, that's a lot more than Walmart that would roll over and die.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 15:56 | 4087731 FrankDrakman
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What a doltish comment. How long has Wal-Mart been in existence? How long have we had EBT cards, and how long has it been since more than 10% of Americans used them?

Wal-Mart built itself long before the FSA took over. It won because Sam was willing to pour more money into logistics and systems that his competitors did, and it's still ahead of the curve of any bricks-and-mortar company.

Do lots of FSA members shop at Wal-Mart? OF COURSE. They don't have much money, and it has low prices. Where do you think they're going to shop, Neiman-Marcus? But Wal-Mart was huge before the FSA ever was. You've put the cart before the horse, and as a result, your comment is covered in horse manure.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:33 | 4087892 walküre
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WM made it big when Americans had easy access to massive credit and jobs were plenty. Since the GFC companies like WM are living on the government teat. That's the point.

WM went to China on the Clinton bandwaggon. Greenspan financed ordinary American's shopping sprees at WM. That's the real "success" story.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 16:55 | 4087974 FrankDrakman
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You know, it only takes a few seconds on google to find out how ignorant you are.

Walmart annual sales 1972: 78.0 MILLION

Walmart annual sales 1982: 2.4 BILLION <- Growth of 30 times in ten years

Walmart annual sales 1992: 43 BILLION <- growth of 20 times in ten years

Walmart annual sales 2002: 202 BILLION <-growth of 5 times in ten years

Walmart annaul sales 2012: 400 BILLION <- growth of 2 times in ten years

Kind puts the argument that their massive growth was due to Clinton/Greenspan/Bush/Bernanke/Chalky to bed; their largest growth came before those frauds were ever in the White House/Fed.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 17:54 | 4088153 Harbanger
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Here's the growth you should worry about,

US National Debt Growth by years (in Billions)

1972- 427  Billion

1982 $1,142

1992 $6,587

2002 $11,040

2012 $16,356

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 22:51 | 4088972 Herd Redirectio...
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Revenue, sure.  But did Walmart start making money before outsourcing America's manufacturing jobs to China?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 01:36 | 4089281 Harbanger
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Only a Central Bank makes money.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 00:29 | 4089202 walküre
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LOL. Sales increased tenfold from '92 to '12. You gotta admit, building a US corp in 72 with 78 million in sales was ok but it wasn't exactly dinner table conversation stuff. Growing from 43 billion in sales to 400 billion is what made the mega corporation. Their growth would have peaked around the 50 billion mark if it hadn't been for the flood of Chinese made imports and a US consumer eager to fill their house with Chinese made trinkets on borrowed money. The Walmart success story is in direct relation to the end of the American empire. Future historians will inevitably mention Walmart in the footnotes of the American demise for several reasons.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:20 | 4087246 Hongcha
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I spent 15 minutes watching CNN while eating my breakfast burrito.  I was hoping for World Series highlights (did not get it).  I have not watched that much CNN in the past 3 years cumulatively.

I came away with the conclusion that CNN works like putting anti-gas tabets in the after-dinner mints. It's job is to help Amerikans digest what is happening to them.  

My other impression is that it is designed literally for a different species of animal than myself.  There was nothing in any segment that I could be enriched by without possessing a completely different social/political logic and digestive tract; and world outlook and standard.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:29 | 4087314 Dr. Engali
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You watch CNN while eating a breakfast burrito and you didn't throw up? Damn you must have a cast iron stomach.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:30 | 4087319 jemlyn
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There is an off button on the TV in case you haven't noticed.  In fact, why do you even have one?

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 21:52 | 4088803 CPL
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Burning log channel.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:27 | 4087253 alangreedspank
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Not shocking at all. There are many more low skilled workers than workers working the corporate side of it (buyers, logistics, human ressource, IT, project managers, etc.)

While it's obvious Walmart is sucking the welfare tit, simply pointing to low skilled workers being payed low wages and implying the solution is a pay raise is assinine.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:23 | 4087271 eddiebe
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The 1% crowd figure they are paying the riff-raff too much as it is. Gotta keep'em hungry and grateful for the hand-outs.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:23 | 4087276 yogibear
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Bullish for the market. Less pay for workers means more profits. The Cream and money rises to the top 1%.

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:26 | 4087292 william114085
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I like the "LY" instead of p.a...........the dumbing down of America continues

Thu, 10/24/2013 - 14:26 | 4087294 Seasmoke
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$170,000 for a manager !!!!.....Sam Walton must be spinning in his grave

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