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Dear Recently Graduated Millennials: Prepare To Work Until You Are 73

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Our advice to recently graduating Millennials? Live long.

Because according to a just conducted analysis by NerdWallet, looking at the future of the average recent college graduate, and more importantly looking at the mountain of student loans each graduate will be saddled with and the implications for the earliest possible retirement age onset, Millennials may well have no choice but to postpone their retirement by about a decade, to the ripe old age of 73.

The reason for this, of course, is the magic of compounded interest: that "manageable" debt load grows and grows and grows even assuming one dutifully pays interest on time. And with unemployment at graduation running at 18%, that is a rather generous scenario. Still, even under base case assumption, the median student loan of $23,300 will end up costing students over $115K by the time they retire.

What does that mean in practical terms? "When will students be able to retire given that many are spending the first ten years (or more) of their careers paying off their hefty loans? NerdWallet... found that while retirement is certainly not impossible, for most it will have to wait until their early to mid 70s— over 10 years later than the current average retirement age of 61." It goes without saying that all else is assumed equal. Alas, in the America's welfare state future, few things will be equal, and most things will be far worse.

Which, one wonders, may be the secret plan after all: since by now everyone knows that the US' welfare state is unsustainable for the mid- and certainly long-term future, what better way to avoid draining it, than to force those who would otherwise benefit into at least ten more years of work to pay off debts accumulated over 50 years earlier.

Quite a brilliant strategy when one thinks about it. And to think, all that was required was record low interest rates, fooling everyone into believing all those tens of thousands of dollars of debt, was cheap.

From NerdWallet

Key Takeaways:

  • Most of today’s college grads won’t be able to retire until 73 due to high debt load —12 years later than the current average retirement age
  • Given a life expectancy of 84, grads will only have 11 years to enjoy retirement
  • The median debt load of $23,300 will cost students over $115,000 (in today’s dollars) by the time they retire
  • Employer 401(k) matches are crucial, and will compose 50% of retirement savings

Student Debt Will Follow Graduates To Retirement

With the total amount of outstanding student debt approaching $1 trillion, the plight of debt-straddled college students is more important than ever. In the past 30 years, not only has the number of high school graduates enrolled in four-year universities increased by 11%, but college tuition has also soared over 200%. As more students attend college at a cost higher than ever before, Millennials have increasingly turned to loans to help finance their education. While much of the college debt dialogue is over immediate issues like employment and repayment, there is another glaring challenge that graduates will have to deal with for years to come: retirement.

When will students be able to retire given that many are spending the first ten years (or more) of their careers paying off their hefty loans? NerdWallet conducted a study that examined the financial profile of a typical college graduate and found that while retirement is certainly not impossible, for most it will have to wait until their early to mid 70s— over 10 years later than the current average retirement age of 61.

Quick Facts On Students And Their Debt

Here are some quick facts to give context on exactly what students are grappling with:

  • Median debt for a student upon graduation: $23,300
  • Percentage of students who are unemployed at graduation: 18%
  • The median starting salary for those who do have jobs: $45,327
  • Standard loan repayment plan: 10 years
  • Average yearly loan repayment: $2,858
  • Number of college graduates currently estimated to be in default: Over 7 million

$23,300 In Loans Ends Up Costing $115,096 By Retirement

The goal of the study was to find realistic retirement projections for the typical college graduate and create projections that applied to a broad range of students. The study compared three different financial profiles: the median graduate, with median debt and salary; the struggling graduate, with high debt and a below average salary; and well-off graduate, with low debt and an above-average salary.

Graduate Retirement Outcomes

Clearly, student debt has an impact on retirement outcomes. Currently, the average retirement age is 61. But for most of today’s college grads, the realistic retirement age will be closer to their mid-70s. Given an average life expectancy of 84, this will leave only 10-12 years for people to spend in retirement. The main reason for this is that although the median college graduate leaves with a seemingly manageable $23,300 debt load, 7% of a student’s earnings go toward yearly loan payments of $2,858 for the first ten years of his or her career. This prevents any meaningful contributions toward retirement. In fact, by the age of 33, when the typical college grad has finally paid off their standard 10-year loans, he or she can only be expected to have saved $2,466 for retirement—over $30,000 less than if the student had graduated with no debt. Even worse, the foregone savings carry a serious opportunity cost, as this money would have been earning a compounded rate of return every year until retirement. At the projected retirement age of 73, the lost savings directly attributable to student debt is $115,096, nearly 28% of total retirement savings.

Surprisingly, for the struggling graduate, the retirement outcome isn’t dramatically different. Despite being in nearly twice as much debt and starting with 10% less pay, the expected retirement age is still just 75, only two years later than the median case. The main reason for this is social security. Much has been discussed about whether or not social security will be around by the time Millennials retire. To be conservative, social security benefits are factored into the study at $11,070 (75% of current average) per year beginning at age 67. That said, a substantial reduction in benefits or the disappearance of the program altogether would significantly alter the retirement equation. If the current social security payouts were to remain unchanged for the next 50 years, the benefits would provide future retirees a significant boost by covering nearly 15% of their required yearly income in retirement.

Well-off Grads Retire 7 Years Earlier

The retirement prospects for the well-off grad are significantly better than the others as illustrated in the graph above.  By graduating with a reduced debt load and landing a job that pays 22% more, the well-off grad can expect to retire at age 67. This is a huge departure from the other cases, and demonstrates the importance of contributing to a retirement plan early on in one’s career. Compared to the median grad, the extra $40,406 that the well-off graduate is able to contribute during the first ten years of his or her career results in a $446,452 difference in retirement savings by age 73.

So How Do You Beat The Odds?

Given these circumstances, should students resign themselves to an eternity of work with little to look forward to in their latter years? Not necessarily. Though an increasing retirement age does appear to be an inevitable economic reality, being conscious of this problem and tailoring financial and career planning accordingly can go a long way toward achieving retirement objectives. There are many factors that influence the ultimate age at which people are able to retire, but there are a few variables that have a particularly large impact. Making above-average yearly contributions to a retirement account, working for an organization with a decent 401(k) match, and making sure to invest money in index tracking mutual funds are three ways to help add years to retirement.

Employer 401(k) Match Is Crucial

As fewer and fewer companies offer defined benefit plans, Millennials will have to depend upon employer 401(k) plans to save for retirement. According to a recent Fidelity survey, the current median yearly matching contribution is $3,420. As shown below, these employer contributions are expected to make up roughly 50% of the retirement equation for Millennials. By working for a company that offers a yearly matching contribution of $4,420 ($1,000 more than the median), potential retirees can reduce their expected retirement age by up to three years.

 401(k) Match Composes Half of Retirement Savings

Make Above-average Contributions To Retirement Accounts

While working for a generous employer can do wonders for retirement, not everyone is in a position to be overly selective about whom to work for. Another important component of retirement planning is the yearly contribution rate. Making above-average contributions can significantly improve retirement outcomes. Though the study projects a 6% annual post-tax contribution (the average personal savings rate for Americans), increasing that number to 10% reduces the expected age of retirement from 73 to 69.

Invest In Index Funds

Contributing money towards retirement won’t be helpful if the money is simply left in a savings account or a CD. To earn a return, Millennials need to be willing to take some risk and construct an equity-oriented portfolio. This may be difficult for today’s grads who have seen the stock market seemingly implode every five years, but unfortunately, retirement will be impossible if people invest too conservatively. The study assumed a 6% yearly return on retirement savings which is a conservative figure given the historical performance of the market. That said, it is a rate of return that can’t be achieved by completely avoiding equity exposure. The best way for an individual to overcome this problem is by investing in index tracking mutual funds, which will offer a market return with low fees.

Retirement Isn’t Hopeless, But It Will Be Difficult

Far more than their parents, Millennials will have to rely upon proactive financial management to achieve their retirement goals. Each generation is afflicted with distinctive financial ills, but the challenge of college debt is unique to Millennials. The decline of pension plans, the uncertainty surrounding social security and the college debt epidemic have placed the onus on graduates to make conscious, forward-thinking decisions about their retirement.

Methodology

Future retirement statistics were projected by profiling three potential situations that students might find themselves: the median graduate, with median student debt and median starting salary; the struggling graduate, with a high debt load and a below-average salary; and the well-off graduate, with a low debt load and an above-average salary. The study factored in a range of other relevant variables to create the projections: average 2012 social security benefit, average 2012 401(k) match, 30 year average national salary growth rate, 30 year average inflation rate, 30 year annualized S&P 500 returns, life expectancy, 30 year average personal savings rate, 2012 Stafford loan interest rates, and standard loan repayment terms.

All projected figures are inflation adjusted and discounted back to 2013 dollar-terms.

 

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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:21 | 4091420 Cognitive Dissonance
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Not to worry. 73 is the new 53 (or will be).

<Hell, you're just getting started at 73. You haven't even found your (first) trophy wife/husband yet.>

/sarc

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:22 | 4091428 fonzannoon
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The millenials may work until they are 73 but they get to hang out and chill until the boomers drop dead and some jobs open up. But we all know that by that time automation will have axed all the boomers jobs anyway. So the millenials will never actually work.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:23 | 4091432 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  So the millenials will never actually work.

Sounds like utopia has been finally achieved.  

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:00 | 4091515 max2205
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On what interest rate...these numbers are worse than CBO or pension funds make believe

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:05 | 4091520 max2205
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Also now worse...in 2011 workers to FSA was 1 to 1....by the time they hit 73 it'll be 1 worker for 3 in the FSA so workers will be taxed 60 to 70%  making it extra hard to retire on 150k in debt....Welcome to France/Hell

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:09 | 4091682 Fukushima Sam
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Live long... and prosper?

Oh, sorry, that was the Boomers.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:46 | 4091778 James_Cole
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At the current suggested rates of tech evolution, by the time they're 73 the amount of 'workers' (in the traditional sense) needed worldwide will be a rounding error of zero. 

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 05:16 | 4092593 AldousHuxley
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technology won't solve non-material needs like zero-sum game of status.

also technology tend to make humans value non-tech more.....annual price&maintenance of a horse versus 200hp automobile.

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 12:05 | 4093231 Paveway IV
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Maybe not solve those, but someone will eventually come up with an app for keeping score easier (wth integrated GPS and animated avitar).

I'm a lot more worried about material needs, particularly infrastructure. The current highway system's bridges need repair. My retirement plan involves a small but comfortable cardboard box under one of those structures. I don't want the thing collapsing on me while I'm slow-roasting the day's rat catch over a burining tire from my scooter.

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 15:07 | 4093672 EscapingProgress
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I'm one of these so-called millenials. I will not marry. I will have no children. I will not purchase a house for more than $75k (probably will end up building it myself). So, when do I retire?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:40 | 4091479 Louie the Dog
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So the millenials will never actually work.

I'm guessing that by putting Obama in office twice they never intended on working.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 21:27 | 4091880 Chuck Walla
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That's not fair! Obama needs to smooth that curve so everyone can retire at the same time. Take savings from the well off and give it their struggling frat bros.

 

FORWARD SOVIET! 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:22 | 4091426 NOTaREALmerican
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And listen-up you young wipper-snappers,  keep your socialist hands off my Medicare.   I'm entitled to that government motorscooter.  If you want to cut the government try cutting that immoral socialist welfare all the fornicatin' harlots with haunted vaginas are living off of.  

 

(Haunted vaginas:  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-25/4-things-ponder-weekend#comment-4091397 )

 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:24 | 4091433 fonzannoon
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Can you imagine what it will be like when a decade full of college grads stuff with loans gets tired of hearing lectures from their parents and society about what they are supposed to to and be? 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:37 | 4091466 Louie the Dog
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Can you imagine what it will be like when a decade full of college grads stuff with loans gets tired of hearing lectures from their parents and society about what they are supposed to to and be?

1968?

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 01:11 | 4092419 DIgnified
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"...or we're shipping you off to military school with that goddamn Finkelstein shit kid!"

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:36 | 4091463 Louie the Dog
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And listen-up you young wipper-snappers,  keep your socialist hands off my Medicare.

 

Yep, I just qualified for Medicare so keep paying just like I did for 47 years (and still am) and maybe you'll get your's.  Probably not, though.  Oh well.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:23 | 4091430 Winston Churchill
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Live long and fester.

Apologies to Mr.Spock.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:26 | 4091435 RafterManFMJ
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No worries, once they can transplant your brain into a metal robotic shell, you can work ... forever!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:28 | 4091438 Relentless
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Screw that! Load up on debt, live fast, die young, leave a good looking and debt-ridden corpse.

That way you screw the banks and you screw those old, greedy bastards who created all this national debt in the first place and now expect to live off of your taxes.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:32 | 4091446 infinity8
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I missed my window of opportunity, dammit.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:33 | 4091453 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:   That way you screw the banks and you screw those old, greedy bastards who created all this national debt in the first place and now expect to live off of your taxes.

It's irresponsible young commie bastards like you that have ruined this great and glorious country.

You-n-them fornicatin' harlots with haunted vaginas are why our enemies are winnin' !!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:28 | 4091440 atomicwasted
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Invest in index funds???  Ha, ha, ha!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:30 | 4091441 shovelhead
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"Go tell Jimmie to drain and clean the fryolator."

"Uh, Sir...I think Jimmie's dead. You better go look in the bathroom."

"What? He was only 73...he was going to retire next week."

"Well, I think he's retired already."

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:33 | 4091451 ElvisDog
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6% annual return, per year, every year for the next 50 years. With no recessions, stock bear markets, or gaps in your employment. Good luck with that Millenials....

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:35 | 4091458 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  With no recessions, stock bear markets

If you say your "Keynesian" prayers every night,  the Fed will provided for all your financial needs.   Let us pray:

We must borrow more money,
To stimulate demand,
So that jobs are created,
And prosperity ensues,
Then we pay off our loans.

For ever and ever, in his holy bearded name, Amen!  

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:07 | 4091523 max2205
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Parents now should avoid hot tubs and the accidents waiting for them so the kids can acquire' the house....just saying

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:06 | 4091672 Winston Churchill
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The Menendez option.

Sun, 10/27/2013 - 16:53 | 4095775 RmcAZ
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And most (if not all) of the 6% is taken away by inflation.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:36 | 4091460 SeattleBruce
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Debt slaves.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:40 | 4091476 Yancey Ward
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And plan to start working at 33.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:40 | 4091480 alien-IQ
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Given the state of things, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "prepare to LOOK for work until you're 73"?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:43 | 4091484 Surging Chaos
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As a millennial, I am not expecting to retire at all.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:15 | 4091535 NIHILIST CIPHER
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@ S CHAOS                As an old guy over 60, I'm not expecting to retire at all either thanks to you and the other millinnial shitforbrains who voted for Obomao...........THANKS ALOT !   

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:44 | 4091598 czarangelus
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Gimmie a break, old man. Everyone over the age of 40 should be gassed and then rendered into heating oil for the wars and debt they allowed presidency after presidency to embroil this country within.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:30 | 4091733 Yenbot
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We'll be resisting that, punk...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:42 | 4091768 NIHILIST CIPHER
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They made a movie for asswipes like you.......Logan's Run.... catch it some time and say to yourself, I'll be 36 someday soon and then it's over. You see, they didn't have the option of reaching 40. Careful what you wish for kiddies................................just sayin.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 23:15 | 4092257 WallowaMountainMan
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too linient, imho

it is unlikely, hopefully, that there has been a genreration that comes up short as my generation did. we were on target in the '60s and now, can't even stop our own from destroying us.

 

:)

 

p.s.

that let's no one off the hook. not even you. it's just fact of the matter. grow a set and practice not preach.

'cause preachin'  is my job.

 

:)

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 08:05 | 4092738 Vendetta
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"Everyone over the age of 40 should be gassed and then rendered into heating oil for the wars"

No worries for that, the employers have been doing that to older workers for decades now... they'll tell you that you are too expensive, not 'flexible' enough (because you take time off to take care of a sick kid) and a plethora of other excuses.  Then they fire all of you and your coworkers after working you like a dog for years and move operations to some other 3rd world nation to be more 'competitive'.   This has been the situation for older workers for a long time and waits for you

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 11:08 | 4093102 torabora
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I snickered when my dildo boss referred to me as that 'old guy'. I was 58....he is 10 years younger. I retired...the fuck is still deep in debt and working.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:46 | 4091599 Surging Chaos
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#1: I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. Wrote in Ron Paul in 2008.

#2: It didn't matter who was going to be president when Obama was elected 2008, because the country was already finished. That's what 40 years of fiat currency and 100 years of the Fed will do, regardless of who's in office. Obama is simply accelerating the collapse.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:33 | 4091740 NIHILIST CIPHER
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You must have parents with some idea of how things work and passed it on to you. Most of the millinnials ARE shitforbrains , you are the exception. SAD BUT TRUE.  BTW, it really does not matter who you voted for..........it's who counts the votes. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 17:46 | 4091492 the grateful un...
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how many months of unemployment benefits is that?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:02 | 4091519 Frank N. Beans
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yeah right, put as much as you can into your 401K and watch it shrink to a 101K. 

anyway my employer matches zilch on it.

 

 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:17 | 4091540 Race Car Driver
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If everyone just put a little into BitCoin now ... .

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:53 | 4091632 silverserfer
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Bitcoin, the ponzi for hipsters. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:13 | 4091691 Bunga Bunga
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With that demographics the 401k won't blow up?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:27 | 4091718 Winston Churchill
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You mean Obozo Fairness Bonds tm ?

Not to worry, they will be worthless by then.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 20:52 | 4091950 Boondocker
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Or bullets guns and gold.....

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:11 | 4091528 1989
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No escape from the debt. Buy SLM?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:42 | 4091596 WillyGroper
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Ain't happening. Oil, chemtrails, monsatan, inept medical industrial complex. Generous 401k - ROFL especially when you see the invesment choices offered. They'll work till they drop. 

"They're comin after your pension, just as soon as you go to collect it. They want your social security too. And they'll get it. They want it all for their cronies. It's the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it."

Carlin - RIP

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:52 | 4091630 silverserfer
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yeah, ponzi will totally be going on still when students today retire. i'll believe that later

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 18:59 | 4091645 I am Jobe
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Ah the Great springBreks and the cuddling with the boyfriend girlfriend coming to end bitchezz. Enjoy the slavery 

 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 20:26 | 4091883 JuliaS
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When do the War Bonds go on sale again? I see plenty of cannon fodder, to be promised debt amnesty in exchange for service. They keep teasing us with Iran, Syria and Pakistan. Get on with the program already!

Struggling, normal and well off grads? I see they've already breaken'em up into formations.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 20:36 | 4091907 FilthyPhil37
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So, because under a load of debt, we should stick as much money into the debt-system as possible to retire? I know how bad off I am having graduated this may with a lot more debt than the "struggling graduate." But God knows I won't be trying to stuff as much money into mutual funds and 401ks. I'll be stacking the Au/Ag day-by-day. We'll see who gets to retirement first.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 22:06 | 4092144 mercy
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I plan on working up until my heart gives out.

 

As for a job, that's a different story.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 22:19 | 4092165 WallowaMountainMan
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it is more likely than not that these folks that are now getting out of college will spend a greater % of their time in retirement than any previous generation. their life expectancy will be far beyond my generation's, and technological advances will generate economic prosperity greater than seen by past humans.

a context is clouded by the nature of its environment. take an environment in which the fancy of that context is 'it's the end of world no matter what' eyesight. while there may be impeccable logic, it will turn out that the future of humanity is bigger than that. the world is changing at pace never before seen on this planet. i.e., nanotechnology is a household word. what will nanotechnology do...? more than the power saw did in my time.

i certainly have (and do continue to) learn and enjoy zh, especially the math tylers who have crushed threw and past the test of time (so much so that zh is, well, cited on msm. (o/t i give zh great credit for providing the wedge into msm that got my "all time favorite for secretary of the treasure" nanex, some of the recognition it so well deserves)). and i love to post predictions (and wright impeccably funny humor).

but i think i will go hiking.  it'll take another 20 years to know if i'm accurate on this most recent prediction.

 

:)

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 03:28 | 4092529 Radical Marijuana
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You are certainly theoretically right, WallowaMountainMan, that advances in biomedical technologies would probably make what you suggest be a very plausible prediction. However, who is going to be able to afford that? Moreover, what will the rest of the bigger picture look like in 20 years, or 50 years? Anyone looking at all these kinds of exponential growth charts should consider that, in the real world, that leads to overshooting, way past what might have been other wise sustainable, and therefore, must then collapse into catastrophic chaos ... In that context, there is no sane advice to give to young people, because there is nothing they can actually do to prepare for almost everything overshooting so spectacularly!

"Live long!" Well yeah, IF the technologically based society does not commit suicide first, rather than adapt sanely to the natural limits, which it obviously is NOT doing now, given the debt engines driving debt insanities, which depend upon turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, which is headed towards the exponential growth of doing that seriously overshooting, so that AFTER that happens, there were will be no turning back to what might have been, or could have been, or should have been, IF the world was not actually controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence.

Surely there are an abundance of creative alternatives. Along the lines of nanotechnology, I presume, WallowaMountainMan, that you are familiar with graphene, as an illustration of the many other possible creative alternatives. The problem is that there are NO sane alternatives possible at the present time for the basic human ecology and political economy problems. Instead, those are runaway social insanities. While some specialized domains of science and technology are rushing forward, everything to do with human ecology and political economy is dramatically going backwards, with even bigger lies, backed up with even more violence, dominating all of those things, in ways which are also on exponential growth curves, overshooting madly.

There is both exponentially more creativity, and destruction, at the same time ... Those are in a race, with the easier inside track being taken by the path of destruction. The mathematics of such hyper-complicated overshooting tells us things that we can not readily imagine, such as that the real world will probably change more in the next 20 years, than during in the last 2,000 .... Predicting anything about what the world will really be like in 50 years is practically impossible ... since many of the existing exponential growth curves will surely have reached some tipping over, turning points, by that time ...

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 11:05 | 4093098 WallowaMountainMan
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"You are certainly theoretically right, WallowaMountainMan,"

 

 

man, couldn't you have stopped after that?

 

:)

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 22:49 | 4092219 EastCoast90
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I'm 23 and I have no intention on sticking around here until I'm 73 so f*ck Bernanke and f*ck the banksters 

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 05:46 | 4092612 Disenchanted
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Well at least this is better than what the Ben AIG dude said("Plan on working till you're 80").../s

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 08:24 | 4092773 Vendetta
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The idea of 401k's was one hatched by wall street for wall street in the 80's.  Everyone is feeling better bout their 401ks these days as if 2008 is just a distant aberration just like the dot com implosion. When 2008 happens again while wearing its shiny new QE outfit, that will make it more than 13 years of instability. 

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 09:22 | 4092884 Accounting101
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Exactly! By moving people from defined benefit plans where large pools of people invested together creating billions and billions in assets, and into defined contribution plans where investors are singular, Wall Street has been able to steal much more efficiently and effectively.

But hey, we just couldn't afford those defined benefit plans anymore, right?

Suckers!

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 16:15 | 4093786 geoffb
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If I hear the words 'compound interest' again, I'm to make that person's head explode a la Scanners.

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