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Fact Or Fiction: NSA Unveils "Internal Patriot Discovery" Protocol
Rather than go to exhaustive lengths identifying the "terrorists," we identify (based on every piece of data you have ever touched in your life) the 'patriots' and thus, by process of elimination find the real terrorists...
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I am on The List!
Everyone with half a brain is on it.
I simply couldn't live with myself if I was not on The List.
Don't be a pussy, get on The List!
+1, 000, 000
There is nowhere to hide. Get on the list!
At some point you must take a stand against the bully!
Stand up and be counted...
Are you willing to pledge your fortunes, sacred honor and life for the cause of Liberty?
I am....
DaddyO
The first victim/perpetrator. Seriously, this is worthy of a special prosecutor. This shocks my conscience, and I'm not a person prone to hyperbole.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/exclusive-feds-confiscate-investigativ...
In a flashback to a much earlier episode of "Fact or Fiction?" we have here a clip from Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law which first aired January 1st, 2004.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO90J6tGyE8
We are doing God's work here, people.
re spying, its funny merkels mad but every ctizen who has paid for this big brother shit to spy on them/us says nothing
I DONT WANT THE NSA SPYING ON ME EITHER MERKEL.
I decided a while ago that it didn't matter to me whether or not ZH was a CIA-backed intel site or a true gem of what used to be the 4th Estate. It is clear to me the Super Secret Happy Fun Club (NSA et al) is illegally building highly complex (therefore invariably inaccurate in their arrogance) profiles of everyone with the assistance of our equally-fascistic public and private mega corporations...in order to continue a failed status quo long in its death throes and beholden to the whims of whatever minion-in-chief is able to sink to the bottom of the cesspool. Oh, and they are doing it secretly all this time because it is only considered legal in what have also been secret rulings by secret courts with rubber stamps. I'd really like to know if zee NSA thinks that is a patriotic or terroristy opinion. Then I'll know whether or not I would be on their patriot list. I hope, I hope! *crossing fingers*
"Almost two centuries ago a group of disturbed men met in the small Pennsylvania State House [as] they gathered to decide on a course of action. Behind the locked and guarded doors they debated for hours whether or not to sign the Declaration which had been presented for their consideration. For hours the talk was treason and its price the headsman's axe, the gallows and noose. The talk went on and decision was not forthcoming. Then, Jefferson writes, a voice was heard coming from the balcony:
"They may stretch our necks on all the gibbets in the land. They may turn every tree into a gallows, every home into a grave, and yet the words of that parchment can never die. They may pour our blood on a thousand scaffolds and yet from every drop that dyes the axe a new champion of freedom will spring into birth. The words of this declaration will live long after our bones are dust.
To the mechanic in his workshop they will speak hope; to the slave in the mines, freedom; but to the coward rulers, these words will speak in tones of warning they cannot help but hear. Sign that parchment. Sign if the next moment the noose is around your neck. Sign if the next minute this hall rings with the clash of falling axes! Sign by all your hopes in life or death, not only for yourselves but for all ages, for that parchment will be the textbook of freedom, the bible of the rights of man forever.
Were my soul trembling on the verge of eternity, my hand freezing in death, I would still implore you to remember this truth: God has given America to be free!"
As he finished, the speaker sank back in his seat exhausted. Inspired by his eloquence the delegates rushed forward to sign the Declaration of Independence. When they turned to thank the speaker for his timely words he couldn't be found and to this day no one knows who he was or how he entered or left the guarded room."
- Ronald Reagan
Was that the fuckin douchebag that outlawed any new production of machine guns while he was president? Yes, that was Ronald, fuck those commoners don't need machine guns Reagan.
Seem's people look to hold political type's in high esteem that would trample thier right to own legal arms alot these days .
Fuck RR and his shit bag policy of making machine guns unaffordable for the masses.
And you dumbfucks wanna give me the red thing, read some history.....
John Ross has a stunning book called 'Unintended Consequenses', most folks on this board don't carry enough nuts to finish it, but I've known the 80/20 rule since I started pumpin gas at 12......
80 percent stand around and watch while 20 percent do the thinking, working, and pretty much everything else.
Put me at the top of the list please. Save me having to decide whether to shoot some miserable fuck in the back when he fucks with my neighbor, or making the obvious decision to shoot him in the throat when he fucks with me.
"Was that the fuckin douchebag that outlawed any new production of machine guns while he was president? Yes, that was Ronald, fuck those commoners don't need machine guns Reagan. ...
Fuck RR and his shit bag policy of making machine guns unaffordable for the masses.
And you dumbfucks wanna give me the red thing, read some history....."
So as a student of history, you of course know that you're referring to the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, which rolled back many of the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968. It is probably the only reason that Americans are still able to buy ammunition, and that there are FFLs remaining in the country from which they can buy guns. It is so far the only legislative rollback of a previous gun control law....although the assault weapons ban did have a sunset provision that eventually kicked in without legislative action. Reagan considered it a victory at the tme, given that. But bitch on...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
"Under the Gun Control Act of 1968, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, now the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) was given wide latitude on the enforcement of regulations pertaining to Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders. Allegations of abuse by ATF inspectors soon arose from the National Rifle Association (NRA) and certain targeted Federal firearms licensees. ...
The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 addressed the abuses noted in the 1982 Senate Judiciary Subcommittee report. Among the reforms intended to loosen restrictions on gun ownership were the reopening of interstate sales of long guns on a limited basis, legalization of ammunition shipments through the U.S. Postal Service (a partial repeal of the Gun Control Act), removal of the requirement for record keeping on sales of non-armor-piercing ammunition, and federal protection of transportation of firearms through states where possession of those firearms would otherwise be illegal (See: 18 USC § 926A http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A ). However, the Act also contained a provision that banned the sale of machine guns manufactured after the date of enactment to civilians, restricting sales of these weapons to the military and law enforcement. ....
The gun rights movement lobbied Congress to pass the FOPA to prevent the abuse of regulatory power — in particular, to address claims that the ATF was repeatedly inspecting FFL holders for the apparent purpose of harassment intended to drive the FFL holders out of business (as the FFL holders would constantly be having to tend to ATF inspections instead of to customers).
The Act mandated that ATF compliance inspections can be done only once per year. ..
The Act also forbade the U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners,"
So yeah...that "fuckin douchebag" who managed a legislative rollback of the Gun Control act of 1968 so that you're now still able to buy firearms and ammo.
And effectively made the street price of a Colt M16A2 go from 700 dollars to, gee I don't know, about 18,000 or more today.
And if you think we wouldn't be able to buy firearms without that legislation, you need another bottle of good scotch.....
And if you think that this is true,
The Act also forbade the U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners,"
you need to wake up, they have everything, especially if you live in CA, AZ, NM or TX, which have their own set of reporting requirements, in direct violation of the constitution....
Signing the FOPA with the Hughes Amenment attatched to it made RR the most vile being in the history of politics to me, but I actually believe in a free mans right to defend himself with any weapon, and they should not be controlled or infringed in any way shape or form.
There was also an effective double in the FICA and Mediscare taxes under Reagen that kinda made the working class into the defacto funding class for all the bullshit that has gone on since 1985, keep listening to Rush and Hannity for your news.
It's obviously served you well....
"And if you think we wouldn't be able to buy firearms without that legislation, you need another bottle of good scotch....."
Correct. With the FFLs driven out of business you would still have legal intra-state private sale from a dwindling pool of available used firearms with an increasing demand as the population increased. So rather than bitching about a $10,000 M16 you could go bargain hunting for a $1000 Raven .25.
If you could find ammo.....since you couldn't mail order it, your local FFL would be out of business, and Walmart wouldn't be interested in having to photocopy your ID and keep those records for the ATF when you wanted to buy a box of ammo.
"There was also an effective double in the FICA and Mediscare taxes under Reagen that kinda made the working class into the defacto funding class for all the bullshit that has gone on since 1985, keep listening to Rush and Hannity for your news."
Hate on. But since the FOPA is public record, you only get to rewrite history in your twisted little head.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
Pub.L. 99–308, 100 Stat. 449, enacted May 19, 1986, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 921
Pol Pot murdered all the people* with glasses.
*"people" excludes the inner party Gods who are above the law.
See Ya at FEMA
Sorry, won't make it that far...pretty sure I don't want to either.
Nope, they'll have a special room for you....
oh you're going at fema camp this year too ? i'm sure it will be so much fun
Do the honorable thing and come face to face with those whose God given freedoms you confiscate. Please start with me. I'm one of those little can't get a date guys. Trust me (no need to look at my file).
That IPD insertion site looked vaguely like where a colonscopy scope is placed. I think I'll take my chances staying off the list!
you can die on ur knees, you can die in shackles or you can die standing up.....
Good on ya!!!
I too will die fighting if it comes to that, not on my knees in a ditch in some stinking FEMA camp.
DaddyO
I think I would rather die with my hands around Mr. Creedy's throat.
Or you can die prone behind cover
They were also tapping the phones of an AP reporter around the same time. But the media continue their role of sycophantic enablers of tyranny.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/busted-obama-administration-secretly-tapped-reporters-telephone-records-for-months/
The more people who are on the list and in regular communication with each other, the more warning everyone has when it is time to alter tactics. In the meantime it affords the luxury of going on about one's life (or donning a tinfoil hat in the bomb-shelter while cleaning rifles and stacking the precious, if one doesn't have a life or hasn't already completed preparations for the inevitable).
I too am on the list. My local "fusion center" keeps it up to date.
I know America offers competitive threat scores, but how can I be sure?
I wish Flo at Progressive could show me my U.S. score side-by-side with those offered by other corrupt crony democracies. Then I could chose the opression that's right for ME.
If you post on Zerohedge then you are definitely on the "list". And its not the Patriot list.
The name of the list starts with "s", ends with "t" and has the word "hi" in the middle.
Fecal roster is the official term, I believe.
Dude please and with all due respect sir, I was on that list years ago and seniority rules. (So there.)
Just like at Christmas, I'd rather give than receive....
You go right ahead, and put me on your list; I'll be sure to add you to mine. Seasons Greetings!
I'm certain you'd rather give than receive come April 15, right? At least that's what Harry Reid says, and we all know how great Harry is. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/harry-reid-everybody-willing-pay-more-taxes_764666.html
To facilitate our efforts to ensure our deserved high placings on the list, I recommend a review of a video previously posted here on ZH.
Operation Talk Like a Terrorist all the Time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z09el30f8&feature=player_embedded
Been on it since around '91 I reckon.
Since I started telling people about PROMIS and ECHELON and fucking Pine Gap.
The Makers of the List
need to be on your LIST, make one, it'll come in handy one day
This sure looks like it is going to end pretty ugly.
Do you think the PTB are going to just roll over and give back the reins of FREEDOM?
I don't...
You're right and ugly may be the key word.
DaddyO
When the shit hits the fan remember this - 39.397732, -77.911551 put those in google maps. That is the main IRS data center. Get rid of their money and you get rid of their power.
One might also say "get rid of their (electrical) power and you get rid of their money." I doubt they could collect much if the computers go down.
What ever works. But if you look at the satellite view, the smaller building is the on-site generator facilities. Good luck cutting the power.
If I have given up being a patriot and embraced national socialism am I removed from the list?
I'm just puttin an Obie 2016 bumper sticker on my car and be done with it.
You will anger the Hillary. You don't want to do that. There are certain dark forces that should not be awakened.
i agree with knukles better safe than sorry, we can all just past a new red H-16 sticker over it once she is nominated.
Obama for Sheik - 2016!
Re: If I have given up being a patriot and embraced national socialism am I removed from the list?
Yes, because that shows a lack of duplicity. To stay off the list you must prove you ARE a patriot by actually being a national socialist.
Having slow-motion flags and eagles in your home is a good start.
Waffen: "If I have given up being a patriot and embraced national socialism am I removed from the list?"
Well, not according to history.
Nazi Germany: 'Night of the Long Knives' when hundreds of party members were murdered for being a future potential threat
Stalinist USSR: Many years of the arrest and murder of party insiders including some of the earliest leaders of the 1917 'revolution'
Dictators are paranoid and also sadists who love hurting & killing people.
oh I was being factitious, I am a proponent of a white ethnostate, so I am quite certain if the NSA is tweaked well enough I will be on the list either way. I just figure if being an "America rah rah" gets me on the list, I might as well go all the way.
Well, when the US is balkanized, the Midwest or Pacific Northwest would probably be closest to your ideal.
National socialism? More like National Sodomism.
"By analy retentive people, for analy retentive people" - Sigmund Freud
Allons enfants de la patrie ...
Yer either wid us, eer again us.
Country FIRST!
Hell of a thing when an American Patriot is described as a potential terrorist. I swear............
Nothing new. King George had those colonial 'patriot' bastards on the list 220 years ago. The apple does not fall far from the tree.
We were on that list too. Worked out OK.
Smoke 'em out
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."
There! I'm on the List.
See you on the battlefield.
Sidenote: The American people will be the only people ever held to be enemies of the state by knowing and citing documents from the founding of that state.
The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
JoBob: "The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson is on the list.
Schrödinger's terrorist. You're a both not a terrorist and a terrorist until the NSA has snooped through all your data.
Patriotism is an anachronism. For us europeans it has only brought misery. So i cringe when anyone considers it a virtue. Give it up already and become humanists. Please.
"why cant you people just be slaves like the rest of us in Europa?"
Eurabia.
There is a lot more loyalty (patriotism) to one's city in Europe. You see it in North America as well, but mainly through sports rivalries.
We: So i cringe when anyone considers it a virtue.
Well, I think you'll find that this is (mostly) a "Libertarian" (LINO), and "Conservative" (CINO) site, and most of the OldFarts and near OldFarts on here had a long history of patriotic worship. With REAL Mericans, Patriotism is a religion, largely because the supreme imaginary-friend loves Merica better than ANY other country on the planet. Which is why REAL Mericans dislike (atleast dislike) Europeans so much: they think Europeans are unpatriotic girly-men athiests.
Funny how patriotism leads to facsism. Lots of "Libertarians" (LINO), and "Conservatives" (CINO) still think Snowden is a traitor.
Red Team = kick-ass daddy, hyper-patriotic, old-testament, authority loving, fascists.
Country FIRST. Love it or leave it hippy. My country right or wrong!
Cue: Slow motion eagle.
You don't know what youre talking about. Maybe youre thinking of the Townhall website ?
Some, but not a lot, of statist worship on ZH.
Re: Some, but not a lot, of statist worship on ZH.
Allot of Red Team dumbasses on here too: the LINO's and CINO's.
dumbassness goes across party lines (unfortunately)
'left' vs 'right' , D vs R is an illusion - an obvious divide & conquer tactic
cahadjis: "Patriotism is an anachronism. For us europeans it has only brought misery. So i cringe when anyone considers it a virtue. Give it up already and become humanists. Please."
Well, that all depends on what you mean by the word 'patriotism'. If you mean a blind compliance with anything politicians & bureaucrats say no matter what, we might agree. If you mean acceptance of anytihing put out by the media, we also may agree. - - - This kind of blindness built on waving flags & fiery lie filled speeches is dangerous. This is the way wars are promoted.
If by American patriotism you mean the belief in the principles held by many of the American founders including Thomas Jefferson & James Madison, and expressed by Thomas Paine . . . then we differ. These ideas came from the new thinking of the Age of Enlightenment. It was held that individuals have the right to make what they choose of their lives - as long as they don't violate the rights of others - and that no one (such as a king) has the right to rule over others. It was held that governments are to be made based on the consent of the people . . who have established them. Governments are to exist to help defend the Liberty of the people. Of this kind of patriotism, there isn't enough of it now.
I am much higher on the list than you fokkers. I am gonna make to the top!
what are you rebelling against? what have ya got? yes i am on the list . not going down thought as a coward
".... you have ever touched...."
Ok. So every people at the NSA is a terrorist . Which means that ( we already knew it ) the NSA is a terrorist organization .
Jaron Lanier : the pauperisation of the middle class thru big data manipulation by the NSA and Google.
The age of real riches concentration in oligarchy corporates with mega computer/data banks and false democracy dissemination meme by the social media who are agents of selling your data to the mega manipulators.
Spine Chilling USA.
Yeah, yeah the spyCloud, spiPhone, etc., etc. It’s terrible, but at the end of the day, fuck ‘em. If I have to go live in the desert with a bunch of football fan, ignoramuses, at least I want to go for a plausible reason: what I blathered about. I think the whole Kafka myth of sending a fellow off for no plausible reason is sad. I want to give the jackals good reason to warehouse me. No half measures! I hope to see you all there at the Sands. I think we should establish a ZHedgemite sign now, so we can easily discern one another from the zombies.
We should make the sign the two-handed "Z" like in "Dude where's my car?"
"Zoltan!"
Person #1: *whispers* Gold...
Person #2: *loudly* bitchez!
And there you have it. ZHers can identify one another just by saying one word, followed by silence.
Someone save me a bunk at the FEMA camp! NOT!
Im Going to start an IPD enhancement service. You will be able to contract me to enhance your patriot profile. Just give me your email adress and cell phone and I willl make sure you talk with and visit the most patrioric people in America. All this for a small montjhly fee.
Yes, only in America.
First I put TSA on my list now I have to put the NSA on it. What list you ask?
Suck my dick list!
Crock of shit. Fuck you NSA, TSA, you suck and know it. Be advised, you are hated.
Can women with an IUD qualify for exemption? Or do they need a new RFID-based IUD?
That way, our Feudal Overlords get to screw them (Droit de Seigneur) before we do.
The sick feudal overlords prefer little boys.
WARNING: This thing is a bit uncomfortable, butt I'm dooing my part!
PS: You have to sign up for ObamaCare to qualify, and it goes toward your deductable.
There were millions of foreignors on the list but now the NSA has been kicked out of everyone's country except the US so if everyone here can get on the list they will be shit out of luck and will have to find a different way to con the politicians. Which probably means joining everyone else and going after the globalists.
This is just more propaganda! I'm a foreignor and they used EZ-IN and the journalist beside me was offered KY and EZ-IN, or a combination of the two!
And for future reference be sure to not engange in the following activities as they will deem you NON-PATRIOT in the database and prevent you from being sent your "OFFICIAL U.S. PATRIOT I.D. CARD WHEN THEY BEGIN ISSUING THEM"
Luckily I searched all that stuff years ago. *whew*
if ( isonzerohedge == "1" ) { ispatriot() && isterrorist(); }
Bonini's Paradox in action.
The NSA has collected data that functions as a map of the interconnections of everybody's phone calls and internet connections. This map is simultaneously completely accurate and COMPLETELY USELESS. To search and correlate the database would take so much time that the sun would burn out before they finished. Its similar to the Large Hadron collider experiments. One experiment collects so much data that it could never be reduced in any useful amount of time. So the throw out 99.9% and concentrate on a small sample. There are scientists who believe that the Large Hadron collider will NEVER detect the Higg's boson for this reason except by dumb luck. In the same way the NSA will never detect a terrorist plot in time to actually stop it. They would be better off to concentrate on the collecting a small sample of data and hope to get lucky.
I doubt that most people in the government are even capable of understanding the problem of big data. But then stopping terrorists was never the point anyway. Its all just a gigantic make work project as useful as digging holes in the desert and then filling them back up again.
Thank you Edward Snowden for being on top of the list....now all of our suspicions are confirmed!!!
If you have nothing to hide,
You have nothing to fear...
How long before NSA teams up with Jiffy Lube?
I have not seen this comment yet so...FUCK YOU NSA!
PS: If I am not already on your list please add me.
I sent $100 each, via credit card, to both Blackboxvoting.org and Letsroll911.org back in 2003, a proud member of "the list" for 10 years now.
"list"
so pre big data.
:)