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Germany Wants A German Internet To Keep The NSA Out
As the 'diplomatic' debacle continues to rage between the US and Europe (most loudly France and Germany) over the Obama administration's ongoing eavesdropping on its allies' cell phones, Reuters reports that (state-backed) Deutsche Telekom is calling for German comms companies to cooperate to shield local internet traffic from foreign intelligence services. "It is internationally without precedent that the internet traffic of a developed country bypasses the servers of another country," notes one academic, warning that if more countries wall themselves off, it could lead to a troubling "Balkanisation" of the Internet, crippling the openness and efficiency that have made the web a source of economic growth. Despite Obama's denials, the situation is not fading away, and Germany and France continue to demand a "no spying" agreement.
As a diplomatic row rages between the United States and Europe over spying accusations, state-backed Deutsche Telekom wants German communications companies to cooperate to shield local internet traffic from foreign intelligence services.
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More fundamentally, the initiative runs counter to how the Internet works today - global traffic is passed from network to network under free or paid-for agreements with no thought for national borders.
If more countries wall themselves off, it could lead to a troubling "Balkanisation" of the Internet, crippling the openness and efficiency that have made the web a source of economic growth, said Dan Kaminsky, a U.S. security researcher.
Controls over internet traffic are more commonly seen in countries such as China and Iran where governments seek to limit the content their people can access by erecting firewalls and blocking Facebook and Twitter.
"It is internationally without precedent that the internet traffic of a developed country bypasses the servers of another country," said Torsten Gerpott, a professor of business and telecoms at the University of Duisburg-Essen.
"The push of Deutsche Telekom is laudable, but it's also a public relations move."
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Government snooping is a sensitive subject in Germany, which has among the strictest privacy laws in the world, since it dredges up memories of eavesdropping by the Stasi secret police in the former East Germany, where Merkel grew up.
The issue dominated discussions at a European summit on Thursday, prompting Merkel to demand that the U.S. strike a "no-spying" agreement with Berlin and Paris by the end of the year.
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Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff, angered by reports that the U.S. spied on her and other Brazilians, is pushing legislation that would force Google, Facebook and other internet companies to store locally gathered or user-generated data inside the country.
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Honestly can anyone name just 1 thing Obama has not fucked up? Just one.
Edward Snowden: Saw something. Said something.
If YOU see violations to the US Consitution call this number 1-888-NYC-SAFE. Thats why they have that number, right?
Make sure your passport is up to date before you do.
German "ownership" of its internet? Its branch of the Rothschild spy service--they all really work for the Red Shield and not for any country--will simply do the same as the NSA currently does. It's all meaningless.
Nationwide firewalls on the Internet.
Congratulations, United States of America ”government”..
You really know how to F**K a good thing up.
Got Obamacare?
I think I need some cylindrical photovoltaic collectors.. and a Government Motors Volt electric auto with big A123 batteries.
It is getting to be winter and I need some extra electricity and some raging fires.
Easy on the V(D)olt, You'll piss off DCFusor.
King O is THE most divisive sumbitch, oh................nevermind.
"Honestly can anyone name just 1 thing Obama has not fucked up? Just one."
He's a pretty decent singer -- that is for a president
Auslander raus!
Obama to Merkel: "About the spying...tough shit, AND now we're gonna keep your gold for ANOTHER 7 years. So STFU."
"That is... we're going to keep the IOUs for your gold for another 7 years. We sort of lent it out in the mean time... like six or seven times over. But you still have to STFU"
"Despite Obama's denials"
That's the funniest thing I've read all day...like those mean anything...Lying SOB.
Germany, like every other country, has major IXs (Internet Exchange) in central locations (Frankfurt, Berlin). Those IXs are where the vast majority of internet traffic is routed. Within those facilities peering occurs. The peers pass traffic amongst each other based on necessity, efficiency, etc. They choose their IXs wisely. Should Germany decide to fuck up their very solid IXs by telling peers to do what they're already doing, it will acheive nothing regarding espionage, but will definitely have an impact on peering (probably not a good one, either).
It is already economically necessary to keep domestic traffic domestic. These beaurautards don't know wtf they're talking about.
I don't think it has much to do with peer routing. I think they may be referring to the giant bundles of fiber optic cable taps running directly FROM the Frankfurt and Berlin IXs to the NSA facilities a half block away.
I am seriously in awe of the German government: "You know those giant IX-sniffing NSA facilities you built with our help and cooperation, U.S.? Yeah, the ones you've been running for over a decade. Well, that just ain't right and we are outraged. Stop it."
Sounds like it could be fixed in a couple minutes with a pair of hedge pruning shears.
http://www.dw.de/rumors-of-nsa-surveillance-outpost-in-wiesbaden-persist...
The building is expected to be completed by the end of 2015, and will cost 124 million euros ($163 million). In the wake of mounting outrage at disclosures that the NSA was spying on allied governments and their citizens, Wiesbaden Mayor Sven Gerich wanted more information on the new surveillance outpost at Clay Barracks.
The NSA site in Griesheim near Darmstadt has quite a few underground, or secret, facilities. Intelligence groups formerly set up in the Bavarian town of Bad Aibling work at the so-called Dagger Complex. That facility was closed in 2004, due to political pressure by former Bavarian state premier Edmund Stoiber.
Or it could have to do with German neo-Luddites longing for the days of BTX. Parallel national intranets using separate pipes are nothing new, particularly in Europe (I think it took the French until LAST YEAR to finally pull the plug on the Minitel's corpse).
There's a legitimate opportunity to do something good, but with .gov involved there's an even greater opportunity that that the State will fuck things up even worse- e.g. go full Orwell with subsidized Deutsche Telekom hardware in every home including a BfV controlled webcam (and then they would still share data with the NSA).
Yes. It's very simple. They have to feign outrage over shady practices if/when those shady practices become known, or lose face with the public. Costs them nothing whatsoever. Nothing new here. Germans are fine with total surveillance ... as long as it's Germans doing the surveilling (replace with any nationality of your choosing, it's true for all).
If you don't happily let the NSA read your emails or let the TSA sniff your daugther's undies you're a terrorist.
John Walker Lindh, remember him? US detainee #001 after 9/11 accused of being a "traitor". Here's an interview with his father (this is a brief clip - have to subscribe to BFP to hear entire interview). This was an idealistic kid who had converted to Islam and was in Afghanistan to protect civilians from atrocities being committed at that time by the 'Northern Alliance'.
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/10/24/processing-distortion-john-li...
"This was an idealistic kid who had converted to Islam"
OK - wait, wait, wait - what??!!
I HIGHLY recommend the full interview. A real eye-opener on the BS politics of the War on Terror.
He was a catholic kid who sincerely converted and wanted to study. He heard about atrocities and enlisted in the Afghan (Talaban) army. Naive? Yes. But he was a soldier in the army that was our ally/friend at that time. He actually met bin laden and sized him up as a phony muslim.
I just installed the "Lightbeam" ad-on to Firefox browser after seeing this on Druge Report:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mozillas-l...
Here's where to download it:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lightbeam/
Enjoy!
Produced by Mozilla and already compromised by the NSA.
Ok, I'll install that tomorrow.
Spooks spooking the spooked.
Take the new McAfee box. If TPTB let him sell it here in the US, you can bet that the NSA has the back door key. If they don't, then wow...a potential black market product that will make some people very, very wealthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhrMcgfpVEk
RequestPolicy will allow you to control cross-site requests: https://www.requestpolicy.com/
This just in: Rape allegations made against French, Germans, and Brazillians. All must be arrested. You will be in violation if you harbor any of the above. If you see anyone who looks French, German, or Brazillian call police immediately!!
no
no
OBAMA: OK i promise (FINGERS CROSSED)
no
lol
i swear i only said no once, butapparently zh thinksno is the answer so tripled it
There goes the Golden Age of the Internet.
Thanks Bronco!
I disagree... this is the BEGINNING OF THE GOLDEN age!
Well it depends. If we let the status quo, pre-internet thinking prevail, the balkanization will be perfect. Then the individual leaders can enforce government!
OR
We allow everyone to spy on everyone! And give a token back on who spied on you. Data wants to be free. Let it be free and watch the phrase "Do unto others as you wish done unto you."
This could lead to a Renaisance Part II.
Cheers
"Data wants to be free."
The energy required for all of this is not only not free, it's getting scarcer and more expensive every second. Good luck.
95% of 'mericans are such Black & White, Either/Or thinkers. Unbelievable! This is not an OR problem. It's an AND problem.
IOW... You simply have a National system running ALSO. And maybe even a regional system. People in any given country can then choose to surf on whatever system they want.
"Honestly can anyone name just 1 thing Obama has not fucked up?"
Michelle, his wookiee bride? Wait...
'Wookie' is funny - but in reality, she's a man.
We live in a cartoon.
deutsch LAN, deutsch LAN
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Area_Network
Goober Alles
So, if Obama "promises" not to spy on Germany and France, Merkel and Hollande will trust him to keep his word?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
But Europe, he has a Nobel, and was supposed to be the start of a whole new humiliation of Amerika (well that part's accurate)!! Remeber his victory lap in Europe?!! How can anyone take Alfred E. Teleprompter seriously?
Wut do u expect from such a pathological liar. He should have his skin sand papered off then buried in salt.
do you believe in the old testament or something?
More like Silence of the Lambs...
He lowered the threshold of sever penalities for crack cocaine.
@one and only:
he has done a fabulous job suffocating individual rights and liberties afforded to citizens under the protections of the bill of rights, including but not limited to the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th amendments.
Luckily, he didn't attack the 3rd Amendment! It would be really creepy to have soldiers living at our house with us.
you speaketh too sooneth
Obama is an inveterate liar ,he has never spoke a truth about anything in his life....therefore he can't be blamed for anything
but Obummer said he would have disclosed all of this if Snowden didn't...
pretty sure the article was about the NSA and not Obama, but I will read it again to just make sure. Of course, maybe the NSA takes it's orders from Obama......... starting in 1965
actually, never mind
Obama is a scumbag like the Democrats who voted for him.
come on now freddie, have you still not learned there is no difference between both parties?
freddie been watching to much TV, hence the TV star for an avatar
Doesn't make it less true, only partially true.
Well, he can vacation better then Bush ever did.
like that would really help
An agreement? You'll take a check? So, if we *promise* not to spy, that will make it all better?
and i wont cum in your mouth either...
(dude, says O)
Man, AX.25 with modern crypto is gonna be crap slow, but it's better than paying for cable so you can be spied upon.
(truth be told, I think the anticipation of waiting 3 minutes for a JPEG to D/L just heightens the experience)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Our german BND works together with their NSA.
Germany has no right to complain...as if the BND is not spying xD
You will see, it's just talk and rubbish... in a few weeks it's fogiven and forgotten.
Right -- what Euro governments are really bargaining for is better access to the data on their own citizens.
Germans (pffpt). You do realize that these Germans are the same creeps who started killing people just cuz they didn't like them, right?!
They'll never amount to anything great. Who inventered the internoodle, twitter, and the fazebook. Number one that's who!
Steel, Light Bulbs, Nuclear Power, Silicium Plates, CDs, Internet in general, CERN, Renewables, 3D Printers, Electric Cars, Computers, Penicillin;
And you consider Facebook und Twitter a great invention.
You have no idea do you.
Twitter has an ipo, does steel? I can't even find their stock symbol....
Heroin, Cocaine, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, MP3 encoding, smart cards, and of course, Gummi Bears.
You forgot Sham-Wow.
"You know Germans make good stuff."
Germany was, until the invasion of the money changers, a center of high culture in the sciences and the arts.
"Our stay in the islands is the condition precedent of peace. With us expansion means, as it always has meant, peace. When we took New Mexico it meant that we gave to that territory peace, and saved it from the quarter of a century of bloody fighting which followed for old Mexico. When we expanded west of the Mississippi it meant that we put a stop to the tribal warfare which had endured for ages among Sioux and Crow, Cheyenne and Pawnee. So now the establishment of our rule in the Philippines means to give the islands peace, and it is the only chance they have of getting peace or of getting good government. To contract instead of expand means cruel war, cruel despotism for the islands which we would abandon. We have a right to ask the support of every lover of peace, of every believer in peace, for the righteous policy we have pursued in the Philippines." - Teddy the Prez
I'm sorry, was that your ignorance showing?
It was just the pandering of the time. The 45ACP cartridge was invented because the little .38 short couldn't kill enough raging Filipinos. Where would be without John Browning's 1911? I guess it didn't occur to people until later to just lengthen the .38 (e.g. Special, Magnum).
Hey, the Colt SA in .45 long Colt isn't called, "The Peacemaker" for nuttin'.
I always wondered why cowboy movies never showed chunks flying through the air when a .45LC round nose hit a guy off center.
Nice neat holes in the front but they never show the back. Low velocity with a lot of push is messy.
Now I finally understand the American Dream.
WORLD PEACE
Germany should throw our troops out. That will get BumO's attention.
Question: Why does the US even have troops in Germany anymore?
Really? Why there's good money in it Son, what a maroon. /sarc
no shit
exit stategy for iraq/afghan?
show me an exit stategy for germany and japan first
$$$ The Germans make good money off the deal. Why Italy too? We had troops on the tarmac ready to go to Bengazi in Aviano or some base in N Italy. Nothing happened. F it. Close all the shit down.
You surely don't expect us simple minds here to understand "strategery" do you?
"Question: Why does the US even have troops in Germany anymore?"
Well, easy : to prevent those violent Germans to start WW3 in an otherwise sooo peaceful world .
You know, the Germans are very prone to make war to disturb the peace .
On the other hand, it is a well known fact that other nations make war only to preserve peace.
I think it is economic--close the bases and some German cities are no longer solvent. It has nothing to do with preventing war.
"It has nothing to do with preventing war."
I know it's not to prevent war.
I also don't think a moment we live in a sooo peaceful world.
And finally, no, I really don't think other nations start war to preserve peace.
I almost forgot : I'm not anti German at all .
The pentagon only closes US bases and lets those areas fall into poverity. We wouldn't do that to members of the Empire.
They won't. They need the money from all our bases. They only close US bases.
The only thing a large centrally controlled (read "socialist") government fears is a larger one.
"Germany and France continue to demand a "no spying" agreement."
US gov : "Let them have their agreement ..., we will respect it the same way our predecessors respected indian treaties."
Maybe some NSA mole can leave the USA and make a fortune revealing Merkel and other German leader's personal oddities.
Publishers would pay millions. Maybe Merkel likes to dress up as a guy.
"Maybe Merkel likes to dress up as a guy. "
Mmmh .
I would say more likely leather underwear and very high heel shoes .
Authentic Wild Kingdom Furry
"Get the lube, Marlin!"
That would be an INTRAnet
"Germany and France continue to demand a "no spying" agreement."
General Alexander Excerpted Statement Regarding European "spying" concerns.
"We have never spied on our European friends, and we promise not to do it again."
Besides, France has a lot of nerve - I think their corporate espionage is behind only Israel, USA, China, Russia, ....
We are quickly taking the lead role last played by Germany in the 1930's, it is not a role that we should relish. We may be the biggest kid in the sand box but when the rest turn against you that means exactly squat. Americans are being set up to take a fall, not just economically but they intend to pound us to hell.
But, we have always been at war against Europe.
Thats what has happened in the past with one exception.
The Germans were already pounding the shit out of the UK at
that time though.
We live,or die, in a interesting historic time.
http://voiceofrussia.com/
control of internet is somewhat like control of the world's reserve currency, we'll lose both.
It is so funny that a "country of laws" is viewed to have so little respect for them.
If we had any respect for our laws we wouldn't continue to create more.
Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
"If we had any respect for our laws we wouldn't continue to create more."
That's tattoo material, rite thar.
Perhaps we are a "country of [so many] laws" that TPTB can selectively enforce the ones in their interests.
That is what makes the NSA (and other) pervasive spying such an Orwellian nightmare.
And Winston realized he loved Big Brother.
Germany is an occupied country. Hey MR.Kraut, you cannot hide.
Obama feels entitled to that access.
Everyone tells him he is the smartest person in the room, so why wouldn't he?
Pride goeth before a fall.
We shall see if he takes the rest of us with him.
I wouldn't mind being spied on if i was being paid for the info. Would love to spend all day on the net and getting a few thousand small checks a week.
Ever thought of filing a disclosure against yourself with the patent office?
My "data" is being mined, extracted for profit. I expect a cut of the proceeds. How would you go about setting up a class action law suit against all the data aggregators?
Speaking of NSA....
Good lord ZH...do you know how many tracking cookies this site tries to load onto my computer...yikes. I thought FB was bad.
Welcome to Palestine.
well drstrange bro has created another giant sucking sound thanks to the nsa. ya cant unring a bell. so the loss of trust with us tech co will lead to lost biz and tech jobs to go along with obamacare. the later being giant sucking sound part duex to suck out what generational wealth left in the us.
Zee grate firewall of the Juropians.
Just Germany and France?
I want my own, personal contract signed in blood by Barry and all his bitches that they wont be peeking at my data.
BTW its mostly just ZH and animal porn but either fucking way, let me be a degenerate in peace!
If we implement ipv6 all traffic will be encrypted. I dont know how strong those algoritms are though.
Are you certain about that? I don't think all IPv6 traffic is encrypted by default. Besides, something tells me that those encryption aglorithms are already broken.
The only way you can stop the NSA from cracking your code is by using a one time pad. (not maxi)
But America has the reserve currency.
/sarc/
Apparently this is (another) one of those instances where transparency is not desired.......
Big Brother-free "No spy zone."
About this Stasi thing : turns out a number of old stasi officers are now working for Gazprom and Nordstream.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi#Recruitment_by_Russian_state-owned_companies
The US brought former KGB members in after 9/11 to help with "security", I'm sure they had some stassi as well.
Germany and France continue to demand a "no spying" agreement.
How about an agreement with the American people to not spy on them as well? .... oh wait...
Remember Mutti's favorite character in History is Catherine the Great, german empress of Russia...
So...if its goodbye America and Google it will be ...hello Ost politik and Europa from Atlantic to Vladivostock...
New LONG RANGE PLAN FOR MUTTI'S EUROPE...
Thank you Obammy and your "yes we scanning..."
Necessity... the mother of invention.
Plato
NSA will have a remote location set up and monitoring this private internet long before the project is even completed, count on it. They aren't controlled by the president. Proof: the whistle blower prior to snowden (forgot his name) already spilled the beans that all members of congress, the judiciary and the president are surveilled. Do you think the president gave the order to surveille himself? If not, who/what organizatiion exists above the president that makes these decisions? Do you think they give a shit about any agreements that are implemented between sovereign nations?
Now we are starting to see why they are so worried about Snowden. It's not the American people they are concerned about.
Obama has the paranoia of all communist regimes. Because he has sick plans he wants to inflict on others, so he's afraid they have sick plans they want to inflict on him. At the very least he wants to know if people suspect the things he's planning. Therefore he needs constant spying at the most intimate level to achieve the thought control that all hard left collectivists require to trump individual freedom and action.
Fitting that the phenomena has returned to Germany, home of Karl Marx.
Marx's allegiance was not to the Vaterland, but to his own sick tribe which is, incidentally, ruling the West at the moment.
Yes you're right, I should have said "birthplace of Karl Marx" rather than "home of Karl Marx".
just a problem with your semantics : If its ruling the world how can it be sick?
Pushing that line of reasoning : If its in a death camp does it then become healthy?
I don't think Marx's true allegiance was to the "sick tribe" you refer to but to the "sick family" of his own flesh and blood; his daughters.
So according to you the NSA and Echelon and all those underwater cables were installed by Obammy, not the regimes that preceded this one?
This is a hegemonial strategy that is bigger than ONE president; this is the hall mark of Pax Americana going wayyyyyyy back.
No president since JFK has dared counter that.
This all political grandstanding and Kabuki theatre. Merkel and German intelligence agencies sure loved all of that illegal wiretapping when we helped them with their Libyan boondoggle. Give me a fucking break. The only reason there was intervention in Libya was to help Deutsche Bank prevent losses due to Qadaffi's populist agenda.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2011/04/germany_and_libya
And you can bet your sweet ass that the NSA GLADLY helped them do it.
Your sentiments are a very important point that get covered up just like everything else we get spoon fed from the Feds.
Just so we also don't lose sight of some other rather obvious facts...
Has anybody also dared to ask the question how an ex-East German albeit intelligent but not well versed in the democratic process or influences of capital markets in her more formative education after 1989 beat out her "competition" in getting elected to the most important seat as mouth piece in the German Government?
Just more code speak for (you the U.S.) are a deadbeat who needs to pay it's bills...
"prompting Merkel to demand that the U.S. strike a "no-spying" agreement with Berlin and Paris by the end of the year."
She really is stupid! They will promise and they'll feel all warm and fuzzy. The NSA will be laughing at all the warm and fuzzy texts going around. You won't catch US again. Live with it Europe. This is THE EMPIRE!
Forgot to add: Now that we have an agreement, you're not allowed to spy on us spying on you. Don't worry about another NSA leak cause we have everyone at the NSA under 24/7 serveilance.
http://relativemoney.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/internet-nsaspy-free-be-careful-with-what-you-wish-for/
The catch here is that “controlling…. for not being controlled” …. is a bad choice in the first place.
Other solutions are available like… why not offering to any user te possibility of top mail and data encryption? why not review the architecture of the web and by default… hide the IP of all users.
Internet belongs to everybody and governments have shown constantly that in the name os security and our own well being…we shall be monitored one way or the other.
It is time that we request, as users, to be respected and our privacy preserved.
This is the real damage of getting caught, the stupidity that ensues.
It's not as though Germany doesn't know that the US (and every other country that can) spy on each other.
That's been true since countries were formed.
A New Internet does not compute. It's not an internet if it's not interconnected. Also, even if it was separate, there's no way to keep the American/Israeli spies off of the new network completely. Besides, bureaucrats could never successfully pull off anything so complex, as we see in the ObamaRomneyCare disaster.
The best thing Mutti could recommend is to make recommendations that security im Land be improved.
DNS as you understand it is to network addressing as HTML is to XML. The motivated brainiacs can map every device on the internet by an alternative calculation, across the existing hardware. DNS is as sophisticated as using pine cones for toilet paper. Under State control there is no motivation. FU Boxer
This is such a load of hypocritical bollocks, especially from the bloody French. The Europeans, & most notably the Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys are just as bad as everyone else.
Another intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said allies spy on each other all the time. Pointing to France’s angry reaction to this week’s reports, he said he wished he knew the French word for chutzpah -- a Yiddish word that means nerve or audacity.
He said France is among the most active countries when it comes to spying on allies and non-allies alike.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-24/europe-anger-at-u-s-spying-ignores-fact-everyone-does-it.html
Hollande is making a big deal about it to make it look as if he has coconut balls (he doesn't - they're the size of peanuts) and to deflect attention from truly shitty economic stats.
You are as good or as bad as your opponent plays. A guy with peanut sized nuts looks like David if he starts slinging stones at a Goliath who runs away and is obliged to play "key hole peeper" to find out what his "allies" are doing.
Any guy who peeps thru a key hole is smaller than a guy with coconut balls. Nobody peeps as much as the NSA; granted France uses the "terror" meme to peep on its neighbours. But it has small nuts and a smaller peep hole than the NSA.
What does that tell you about the softness of the USA- NSA's mega sized coconuts?
Pure theater for the 'nooze'.
Perhaps a bit of pique that Obama's handlers are snooping at Mutti's own personal underwear instead of the usual business of general spying on the hoi-polli.
I'm looking through you, where did you go?
I thought I knew you, what did I know?
You don't look different, but you have changed
I'm looking through you, you're not the same
Your lips are moving, I cannot hear
Your voice is soothing, but the words aren't clear
You don't sound different, I've learned the game
I'm looking through you, you're not the same
IMO German Telekom is a bf patent troll. So I can appreciate why Merkel would want to have a State censored, classified internet. Net result: more fences in cyberspace, more lies for Germans. More central control.
You really can't blame the NSA for Merkel.
The German blogosphere is heavily controlled already. Metrics for Web Commerce are controlled. Germany has controls on telephone purchases and registration - Fernmeldegesetz
Das unbefugte Abhören von Nachrichten über Telekommunikationswege wird nach § 148 Abs. 1 Satz 1 TKG mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zwei Jahre oder Geldstrafe bestraft. Ebenso wird bestraft, wer unzulässige Sendeanlagen besitzt, herstellt, vertreibt oder einführt (§ 148 Abs. 1 Satz 2 TKG). Darunter fallen Sendeanlagen, die geeignet sind, das nichtöffentlich gesprochene Wort unbefugt zu übermitteln. Das Telekommunikationsgesetz gehört somit zum Nebenstrafrecht.
"The fact is unfortunately that our American friends are listening to anybody, anywhere, and in your reporter’s piece there was just a quotation from our German telecom. Well, that’s a joke of course and they can use the German service, but the United States of America possesses houses which are located over the cable networks and they have technical means, believe me, to look into the data transferred through these cables. For example, the cable crossing in downtown Munich and the house on top belongs to the US."
http://rt.com/op-edge/us-intellegence-drowning-spied-data-677/
It appears that Germany and these other countries need to implement more effective security mechanisms instead of blaming everyone else.
Hmmm, could all this be about Governments seizing control of the internet in order to control what we read/see, a bit like they do with TV and 'newspapers'.
All seems a bit convenient after their previous unpopular attempts to control the internet.
i was thinking exactly the same thing. also i wouldn't be surprised if the whole snowden thing is just a catalyst and despite everything will do us a disservice instead. i guess in 10 year time we will be wiser.
german government is already under the thumb of (us) corporations. try to download any pirated shit there and you will receive a hefty bill in a mailbox from some law firm representing hollywood et al. fuck the privacy, at least until you don't represent corporate interest.
Lots of indignation by the politicians, but frankly, who cares if Angela's or David's phones get hacked?
The elephant in the room is the fact that the one item we know of, the hacking into Petrobras confidential documents, proves that the US government can and does conduct INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE!!
If it can, it will, and the info will find its way to favoured companies (election financiers?).
This will close the economic world down little by little when the trust is gone.
Accurate, timely intelligence is vital to survival. The NSA watches. The spies, traitors and scumbags at all levels, everywhere, are probably scared shitless that the NSA can hang them. I'd pay a lot to see them all outed. Poof!
Dutch PM just said "o well, i only tell my mother that i will bey a little late(strike through here) early for dinner over the phone".
Just weak or perhaps gay.
Mmm, local internet == local bitcoins.
Where have i seen local currency in europe before, can't remember if it worked or not.
NSA is fucked. So are the globalists in Washington D.C. Everybody in the world hates them and Goldman Sachs.