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Guest Post: The Grand Narrative: Legitimize The Authoritarian State

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

As the status quo crumbles, the state responds in the only way it knows: expand control and become increasingly authoritarian.

The Grand Narrative of the 21st century is the legitimization of the authoritarian state. The authoritarian state comes in many ideological flavors, but retains the commonalities of central control. It may label the system it controls communist, socialist or capitalist, but these distinctions are semantic: the authoritarian state controls the system, by one means or another.

Regardless of which version of the 9/11 story you believe or disbelieve, the reality is the same: the U.S. is engaged in an Orwellian global war without end, a war that doesn't just justify monitoring every communication on the planet but actively requires monitoring every communication on the the planet.

The Federal Reserve has extended its control of the U.S. economy, transforming it into a wealth-skimming machine for the top 1/10th of 1% with access to the Fed's credit creation. The Fed claims independence from the U.S. government, but this is also merely semantics: the Fed and U.S. Treasury are simply two facets of the authoritarian state.

We see the same narrative playing out around the world. In socialist France, the central state is extending its control over what little of the economy is still quasi-private; in nominally communist China, any weakening of the economy that can't be papered over with bogus statistics is soon followed by nationalist propaganda hyping one red-button issue or another (Senkaku Islands, etc.) to distract the populace from the increasingly fragile "recovery" in China's asset-bubble-dependent economy.

As the status quo crumbles, the state responds in the only way it knows: expand control and become increasingly authoritarian. This is of course a key dynamic in why things are falling apart: increasing central control only further distorts the mechanisms in the economy that seek equilibrium by self-correcting means.

Why is the authoritarian state illegitimate? Among the many reasons, we can start with three: the authoritarian state is the enemy, always and in all places, of individual liberty and free expression/the free press, and the authoritarian state is intrinsically a failed state, for the mechanisms of centralization and authoritarian control are ontologically destabilizing, regardless of the ideological flavor of the system the state controls.


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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:16 | 4090120 VD
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excellent post.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:27 | 4090158 NotApplicable
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Hayek approves.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:03 | 4090262 CH1
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More people are waking up... just too slowly for our liking.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:23 | 4090337 somecallmetimmah
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Vladimir Ulyanov reads OfTwoMinds, too.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:05 | 4090503 Anusocracy
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Travel mentally back into our hunter-gatherer past. If a tribe was experiencing a severe shortage of food and tribe members were starving to death, it was the alpha-male and other physically strong males that survived at the expense of lower males. Their offspring also survived at the expense of the lower males' offspring.

Travel forward to our time. That has not changed, only now it's done through government. The modern alphas can commandeer whatever they want 'in an emergency', only now it's done with laws backed by the police or military, not by tooth and claw. Who has access to massive long duration bomb shelters? Who is going to get full access (as in Mao's famine) to dwindling food stocks? Rationed medicine?

Anyone who supports government is supporting the behaviors of savages from our distant past. That is the major problem in the world today.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:27 | 4090565 Vampyroteuthis ...
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The trouble I have with this post is that an Authoritarian state has always existed throughout the 20th into the 21st Century. Their reach is getting stronger. The status quo is not failing, it is becoming more extensive and more intrusive.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:35 | 4090885 Overfed
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Just bear in mind that entropy never sleeps.

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 05:45 | 4092611 lewy14
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Capabilities are expanding to fulfill aspirations.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:12 | 4090526 Paveway IV
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Obedience levels are dropping. did a survey that showed 16% of the peons commanded to have to have their own insurance or Obamacare by Jan 1st do not plan on getting any, despite the disobedience fine. That fine is 1% of income, 2% in 2015 and 2.5% thereafter. Plus the eventual placement on various government blacklists until you comply.

You know they're going to keep linking stuff to Obamacare compliance. Want to fly somewhere? Sorry. Work for the government? Nope. Sign your kid up for school? Forget it. Use the internet? Sorry - you're personal responsibility index is too low to get a license. Family of a deceased homeless vet trying to get his final 'reward': burial in a national cemetary and a simple headstone? Beat it - we don't bury traitors here, ma'am. He's on our fed LIST, and I'll prove it once the web site starts working.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:29 | 4090167 TrumpXVI
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Yup. Nice synopsis, CHS.

I like it!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:59 | 4090247 CH1
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Stop obeying and the insanity crumbles.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:59 | 4090483 somecallmetimmah
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'Start obeying'.  Got it.  No wait, stop obeyi?....  What are we supposed to do again?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:24 | 4090561 jimmytorpedo
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I think he meant we have to start stop not dis-obeying.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:53 | 4090702 Imminent Crucible
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Compliance is the first rule of the sheep pen. On the other hand, the gate is always standing open.

Inevitably, lots of frightened sheep will bleat "You're nuts! You can't escape sheepdom. There's property taxes, gasoline taxes, capital gains taxes...." on and on.

The gate stands open. There is no law that requires you to own real property. I don't object much to gasoline taxes because those roads, I didn't build that--but there's always bicycles and hoofing it.

Capital gains? You probably won't have to worry about those.  Really, it's not as hard as it looks.  All MSM media is propaganda designed to make you feel like you must submit; to Edward Bernays, to Wall Street, to His Lordship Obama the HalfHonky.  If you have minor children, all the more so. I understand that.  Mine are grown.

The sheep pen gate stands open.  It's just very, very scary taking responsibility for yourself.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:59 | 4090252 AlaricBalth
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The state derives its power from the consent of the governed. However, when the a majority of the governed derive their sustenance from the state, it becomes easy for the state to manufacture whatever consent it wishes.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:50 | 4090441 Nobody For President
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I appreciate your posts enough to finally look up Alaric the Balth - your psued is as cool as your thoughtful posts.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 19:18 | 4091214 AlaricBalth
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Thank you NFP!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:32 | 4090173 mr1963
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Blah, blah, blah, he's preaching to the choir

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:59 | 4090251 CH1
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It was decent preaching.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:36 | 4090386 Deo vindice
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Sometimes the choir needs reassuring.

Sometimes the choir needs convincing

Sometimes the choir needs converting.

Sometimes you need to preach to the choir.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:56 | 4090711 Imminent Crucible
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...and then there's the fact that the choir are the only ones who will listen to your preaching.  Ever tried preaching voluntary poverty to a Wall Street banker?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:12 | 4090294 SubjectivObject
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The repetitive message of the status quo outside ZeroHedge must drive you absolutley freaking nuts.  Poor dear.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:00 | 4090486 somecallmetimmah
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Get back in line, turd-factory.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:33 | 4090181 rubiconsolutions
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"Old George Orwell got it backward. Big Brother isn't watching. He's singing and dancing. He's pulling rabbits out of a hat. Big Brother's holding your attention every moment you're awake. He's making sure you're always distracted. He's making sure you're fully absorbed... and this being fed, it's worse than being watched. With the world always filling you, no one has to worry about what's in your mind. With everyone's imagination atrophied, no one will ever be a threat to the world." - Chuck Palahniuk

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:42 | 4090198 Acet
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Pan et circusen


Bread and circus: it never changes.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:27 | 4090356 Seize Mars
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Jesus, do I have correct spelling and grammar around here in Latin, too?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:52 | 4090451 Nobody For President
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:02 | 4090495 somecallmetimmah
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"Sieze" Mars.  It's easy to remember: 'e' before 'i', except before 'z', unless followed by another 'e'.

No wait.  You were right.

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 11:49 | 4093206 Seize Mars
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Heh. Good one.

Anyways it's "Panem et circenses" morons.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:31 | 4090592 jimmytorpedo
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I think "" is catchier than "bread and circuses" 

Circuses are soo 20th century

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:49 | 4090192 Ghordius
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don't know. yet I'm a bit bored by this "my country is going in this direction, this must mean the whole world is going there, too" narrative

take China. I remember when it was fully Communist. now it's nominally Communist. a huge improvement in economic liberties for over one point three frigging billion persons. they are even allowed trade and hold gold, dammit, something that it was forbidden to the American public from 1933 to 1974

Grand Narrative? I'd say Narrow Narrative

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:02 | 4090260 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Grand Narrative? I'd say Narrow Narrative

Agree (somewhat).    The Chinese were only Commies because that was the only way to flush the foreigners from their country.    When that was finished, they reverted back to the natural human economic system of facsism.

The US is simply transitioning to the same system.   The semi-autistic Libertarians think it's a recent transition, but it started a few minutes after the country was founded.   

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:30 | 4090365 Seize Mars
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I want freedom. Is that confusing?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:41 | 4090397 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: I want freedom. Is that confusing?

Yes.   Especially if the "Conservative" (CINO) or Liberal or "Libertarian" (LINO) or "Progressive" you are discussing "freedom" with doesn't have a brain configuration that comprehends YOUR concept of freedom.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:13 | 4090530 somecallmetimmah
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Hey, who farted?

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 11:51 | 4093209 Seize Mars
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I don't remember saying anything about Conservative, Liberal or any other label you wish to assassinate.

F-r-e-e-d-o-m. It's good. Try learning about it.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:06 | 4090273 YHC-FTSE
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If there's a rule that could be truly universal, it's this: Things change.

If there is one trait that is the most important for survival: Adaptation

The rest I find are just mildly amusing distractions of the ignorant clinging on to the ethos of their guilds and traditions. I was one of those annoying brits on Compuserve in the early days of the internet making comments to Americans about their police state, MIC, and blind faith in the fascists that ran things in big finance. Commie limey faggot was the usual reply. These days, many Americans are much more astute and lucid about their own leaders. Things change.

Sat, 10/26/2013 - 04:06 | 4092543 Magically Delicious
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I was probably one of them back in the early-aughts.  My apologies.  We've all learned a lot...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:56 | 4090471 highly debtful
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It is indeed dangerous to look at things exclusively through western eyes. I honestly thought I would never live to see the day that I would fundamentally question our own moral and societal standards, i.e. the standards of the US and the EU, yet here I am, starting to think that perhaps other nations would be better at guiding the world through the 21st century. I am slowly getting this eery "untergang des Abendlandes"-feeling.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:45 | 4090913 Overfed
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Tell ya' what. Name a country that gives allodial land deeds and allows gun ownership, and I'll buy a one-way ticket.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 16:21 | 4091272 highly debtful
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Sat, 10/26/2013 - 04:14 | 4092548 Magically Delicious
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Would you prefer states with government-sanctioned gun ownership, or states where gun ownership is more of a defensive necessity?  It seems that the latter predominates outside of North America and Scandinavia.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:13 | 4090296 socalbeach
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<- Arabs / Muslims carried out 9-11

<- Arabs / Muslims were framed


"Regardless of which version of the 9/11 story you believe or disbelieve..."

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:20 | 4090326 SubjectivObject
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<-Arab muslims carried out 9-11 and were framed.

<-Arab muslims were framed into carrying out 9-11

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:33 | 4090599 Trampy
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Cheney and Rumsfeld led a stealth coup on 9/11/01 supported by Mossad and rogue elements of our own goverment.

NSA spying on entire world had already been put in place to identify and then assasinate or incarcerate any potential whistleblowers.

Senator Paul Wellstone and many others of lesser rank, like Barry Jennings, were blatantly murdered to silence them permanently. 

The "19 Muslims armed with boxcutters" myth is of the "you can't make this stuff up" variety to prove just how stupid people are; many of the 19 are known to be alive and unmolested, so they can't even be called patsies.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:59 | 4090721 kchrisc
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Where was Cheney on 9/11? Where was Bush? Who was giving orders from the White House on 9/11? It wasn't Bush who Cheney had go to Omaha.

What company benefited the most from post 9/11 military actions? Cheney's 'prior' employer.

...add more shit and simmer.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:02 | 4090736 somecallmetimmah
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I know. It's like how JFK wasn't asassinated by a text-book communist loon straight out of the progressive playbook, was he?  He was, in fact, assassinated by the collective hostility of sick American culture.

Extreme right-wing, racist, republican, conservative culture.  The republican party assassinated JFK.

Case closed.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:08 | 4090920 Overfed
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I junked you for the Red Team/Blue team bullshit. JFK was assassinated for, among other things, his talk of eliminating the Fed and his opposition to moar war.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:47 | 4091159 Real Estate Geek
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As did I.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:32 | 4090373 NOTaREALmerican
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< Semi-psychotic religious fanatics manipulated by sociopaths carried out 9-11.

< Semi-psychotic religious fanatics talking to their imaginary-friend carried out 9-11.


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:42 | 4090654 FeralSerf
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Was George Bush, Dick Cheney, and their Ziofriends "Semi-psychotic religious fanatics manipulated by sociopaths" or "Semi-psychotic religious fanatics talking to their imaginary-friend"?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:50 | 4090687 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: Was

Yeah,  funny that.  No?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:16 | 4090122 AnAnonymous
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Coming from this 'american' propagandist author, such a short article is proof of a very slow day.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:26 | 4090156 Charles Nelson ...
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:36 | 4090188 lasvegaspersona
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if you are new here

AA is a troll and a crazy one at that, just ignore and move on.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:36 | 4090388 W74
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That's a lengthy run for a troll.  3½ years?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:53 | 4090764 akak
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Alas, alas, three and half trolling years alas, just have to bear with him.

But being the parangongs of monolizing the retardation means, AnAnonymystics are prone to exhibiting their eternal nature through crapping on the ZH roadside and attempting to blob-up the conversation via the wiping of thickly-spread yet very cheap and stale anti-US 'american' propaganda bits.  And even the seeking of symmetry between US 'american' present and sordid totalitarian Chineses fabled past.  Best yet, worst as always, never better than that.

AnAnonymystics, otherwise in the know as Chinese Citizenism citizens, cannot change their bigoted and insanitational ways, just as they can't open their eyes (literally).  The leopard can't change his spottings, after all, and then some.  Chinese Citizenism citizens only need enough sighting to find nearest roadside over which to give birth to fresh brown baby Maos, and keyboards to type their rantings of the algebraic coconut varieties.  Makes one laugh.

Ah, but when the shoe is on the other foot in mouth, such as discussionings of Tibetan oppression or Chinese environmental destruction or #1 in world resource blobbing-up, ah, then the ananonymystic flees into hypocritizenistic silence.

Never to be forgetting the truly insanitational flights of Chinese Citizenism fancy, such as how this "US 'american' citizenism" of theirs supposedly magically traveled through time to 16th century Easter Island in order to blob-up and destroy the society there, neverminding the fact that the USA would not even be founded for another 200 years, nor the fact that the Easter Islanders had absolutely no contact with the outside world until after their collapse.  But facts and truth are little things of no consequence in the panoply of mind games and unreality that is the retardational smorgasbord of Chinese Citizenism.

Be that as it may be that, their wordings of the mind and throatings of ideas are certainly something.  The crust of duplicity cannot be pulled off separately, it needs to be eaten as one piece.  Taste is bad, oh yes, but it will feel better when shat out later, you'll see.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 16:45 | 4091335 zapdude
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Ridiculing AnAnonymous never gets old. 

He's a robot in China, I'm told.

As he drops another turd in the midst of the ZH herd,

Akak's reply is pure gold.


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 20:50 | 4091943 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ridiculizing AnAnonymystical Chinese citizenism progation indeedwise lacks the age advancement perceptionally. Simpleness explainings really. Eternal nature of Chinese citizenism somehow infirms time passings effects on its head dangdang firmly.

As he drops another turd in the midst of the ZH herd

Chinese citizenism citizens have proness to excrementally ill blobbing up phenomenum. To blob up is roadside excretionist lingo. It means squatting down and growing up a blob.

Akak's reply is pure gold.

Why do US citizens waste money to pay and watch comedy? Tears of fun...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:03 | 4090737 Imminent Crucible
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I'd call akak to kick your Chicom Citizen butt with some Chinglish drollery, but why bother? You parody yourself.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:43 | 4090201 Dr. Engali
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Don't you have to go skin a cat for lunch?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:24 | 4090342 oddjob
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Think smaller and more legs.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:13 | 4090539 somecallmetimmah
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Japanese chicks?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:14 | 4090541 somecallmetimmah
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:30 | 4090585 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Coming from this 'american' propagandist author, such a short article is proof of a very slow day.

Chinese citizenism citizens nature is eternal and it won't be long before I catch you whining against people who are habituated to using flush toiletry.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:45 | 4090667 FeralSerf
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Much of the toiletry is made in China. The circle is nearly complete.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:04 | 4090745 somecallmetimmah
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:53 | 4091175 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Much of the toiletry is made in China.

Indeed muchso that in truths havingness. Like things of manyment having manufactory for exportations to US 'american' citizenland, exampling of Happymeal toys, Chineses assembling line workers build the making to plans accordingly while must puzzlement regards purpose of itemry manufacturated wonderingly.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:16 | 4090126 Seasmoke
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That's some slippery slope we went on.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:25 | 4090152 NotApplicable
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Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1939.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:17 | 4090127 johnQpublic
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thanks for the trip to merriam-webster

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:22 | 4090140 Running On Bing...
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In a world where you are paid per posting this guy is making bank.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:32 | 4090175 TrumpXVI
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ontology: (n) the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:32 | 4090355 socalbeach
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:21 | 4090138 Wm the Shrubber
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:12 | 4090297 Oldrepublic
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I will  make a prediction: they will  never  be another major totalitarian  government like the Nazis, the Soviets nor the Chinese  under Mao .

The internet is a tools for freedom, much like the invention of the printing  press was a tool for freedom in its time.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:27 | 4090321 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  much like the invention of the printing  press was a tool for freedom in its time.

And, probably some technology worshipper of the day was saying the same thing about "future major totalitarian governments".

Human are semi-psychotic self-serving self-delusional assholes.     When the stars are aligned a new sociopath will appear who will create bullshit for the dumbasses to beleive, and the internet will be how the bullshit moves into the tiny brains of the dumbasses.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:34 | 4090755 Imminent Crucible
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Whenever someone says "Everyone is a craven delusional dumbass" I always suspect the speaker is excepting himself.  But what if you're mistaken?  What if everyone really is a psychotic asshole?

Of course, I'm excepting myself.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:30 | 4091089 knukles
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As an exceptional Humericun, I'm exempt

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:07 | 4090759 Paveway IV
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Every human is vulnerable to psychopathy. Every human is also vulnerable to the plague.

Thankfully, they figured out the plage was a preventable  (or at least containable) disease BEFORE the point where they decided the solution must be mass murder to eradicate victims. 

Few people recognize psychopathy as the common DISEASE behind all dictators, facists, religious extremists, war criminals and U.S. congressmen.

Despising the disease is understandable but useless. Despising the common person for ignoring the disease because Honey Boo-Boo is on is also understandable but useless.

If you were beamed back to the first days of the plague and tried to tell people that it was caused by these tiny little animals they couldn't see that lived in rat fleas, they would have locked you up.

Give the shaved apes a chance. They're slow learners and you have to admit: they haven't completely killed themselves off in the last 14,000 years. 50/50 odds that they figure out the psychopathy thing in the next 600 years or so. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:19 | 4090812 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: 50/50 odds that they figure out the psychopathy thing in the next 600 years or so.

I'm not so sure.  What if humans who can manipulate dumbasses with bullshit are the higher evolved ones?

There's not enough research into bullshit, in my opinion.  

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:22 | 4090333 MrPoopypants
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The Internet has an off switch.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:55 | 4091182 Real Estate Geek
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IMO, the risk is less that it's turned off, than that it's effectively co-opted so that it becomes as worthless as MSM. Licensing, traffic controls, pay for preferential throughput are all vectors for what would essentially be a fascist takeover of the internet. Again, like the MSM.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:22 | 4090143 Dr. Engali
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Pffft...pass the Cheetos. Oprah is about to start.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:27 | 4090157 Ignatius
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Without Oprah how would we know how we really feel... about, well, everything?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:32 | 4091091 knukles
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Eat more Cheetos?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:27 | 4090146 falak pema
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Where there is discordmay we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair,  ...

May we bring the NWO... and debt becomes asset. hey presto!  Well done Maggie. Now that its all burning down, we are back to square one and trying to bring statism back to replace those oligarchy clowns who have burned the fiat house down all thanks to you and Ronnie. Print, print and if it doesn't work we will sing "sting, sting and Cyprussss!"... If they don't buy that hit them on the head with the bludgeon of Statist Hercules. Its only for their good to feel the policemen "on the beat". What you sowed we now sad clowns.  Next time please don't bring us your tax free, City shitty, rehypothecated 1% er Ruski or Barbi Sheikh only harmony, in a London town no honest dweller can afford... We prefer our own type of discord called democracy.
Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:24 | 4090147 Ignatius
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"Regardless of which version of the 9/11 story you believe or disbelieve..."

Except that, of course, 3000 people were murdered and the real perps have not been brought to justice.

This authortarian clamp down will not end well.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:47 | 4090424 NOTaREALmerican
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Re;  the real perps have not been brought to justice

Oh jeezzz,  not that "Sad-IM" is running a 7-11 in Fargo conspiracy again.   Look, we got him.  Mission accomplished.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:25 | 4090148 yrad
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Short and to the point, eh? America wants to kill you and the rest of the world is buying tickets to the show...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:11 | 4090290 somecallmetimmah
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Pfft. America doesn't want to kill you.  It wants to *sell* you.

There's a difference.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:28 | 4090155 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Regardless of which version of the 9/11 story you believe or disbelieve, the reality is the same:...." 

Our reality is determined to a great extent by our perception of "reality". If this were not true then explain to me the great pains the state takes to make perception via propaganda. So those who wish to believe the official 9/11 story, while unhappy with the authoritarian state, are led (and allow themselves) to believe it is needed. While those who do not believe the official 9/11 story see the state for what it really is, our enemy and not our benefactor.

This is why 9/11 is the acid test for EVERYONE, not just those in power.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:41 | 4090178 Dr. Engali
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I agree wholeheartedly, but here were are twelve years later thousands more killed and the majority of people still believe the official story. The iSheeple will wave their flags everytime a muslim is killed. If they don't realize by now that the state is not their friend, they never will.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:44 | 4090208 Winston Churchill
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Or cheer  about Boston strong ,when paramilitary invade their home.

Time for the gene to get an acid shock.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:49 | 4090218 A Lunatic
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Nobody gives a shit until it becomes personal..........

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:41 | 4090402 WillyGroper
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 I wouldn't say that. When it becomes personal, then answers are demanded. 

The hardest thing anyone does is to question their beliefs. When the realization sets in that you've been duped, moar answers are demanded, resulting in massive cog dis.  

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:01 | 4090259 Cognitive Dissonance
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I think it is much more subtle than just 'knowing' that the state is not your friend. Many people do not trust the government. BUT they have been conditioned to believe in, and have become dependent upon, some form of external "authority".

Thus while they aren't happy with their present form of government.......well, ya gots to have a government, right? And ours is still much better than most any other form of government.....right? And so on down the line of rationalizing away the totalitarianism.

Just as the various currencies are in a race to the bottom of the toilet bowl, so is the average person's acceptance of the totalitarian state. The perfect example of this was the average German citizens' acceptance of their WW2 government, one that eventually left their nation in total ruin. I don't have to rationalize away the entire monstrosity, just each little incremental swirl around the toilet bowl on our way down to the sewer.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:09 | 4090286 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Many people do not trust the government.

People don't distrust the government, they distrust the OTHER Team running the government.

The Red and True Team true believers have no problem with their own Team being authoritarian, and using the power of the state to annoy others. 

Red Team = kick-ass daddy, old-testament, authoritarian, crony-capitalist.
Blue Team = smothering-mommy, new-testament, authoritarian, crony-socialist.

Humans couldn't organize into societies without most of them being authority worshipers.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:18 | 4090316 Cognitive Dissonance
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My experience is that "many" people are not "true" believers in either team. In my view many people are one or two issue hot button believers and thus select the "team" that best fits their view point. The leaders of the two party system know this and use it to their advantage.

When you remove the hot button issues from both political party platforms you find the same wolves dressed up in red or blue sheep's clothing.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:26 | 4090348 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: My experience is that "many" people are not "true" believers in either team.

Probably true.  I'd guess "most" people aren't.  But, what the genius sociopaths - who run the two Teams - have done is to create a briliant system where the true-believing semi-psychotic dumbasses have much more politial power than the "normal" (less semi-psychotic) people do. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:17 | 4090311 Ignatius
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Cog, when we're infants authority is truth (mom/dad).  It has to be, or we would die from starvation and exposure, etc..  At some point as adults we are supposed to make the transition where authority should then come from truth.  The problem is that this knowledge must be transfered each and everytime to the next generation. TPTB have little/no incentive to teach this; on the contrary, it's in their interest that this not be broadly understood.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:32 | 4090370 Cognitive Dissonance
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Agreed. So to change the system we, you and I, must become the teachers. There are two problems with this.

1) This takes time, several generations in fact. WE have been conditioned to expect instant gratification or else "it" is useless. Doing so also requires (sometimes great) personal sacrifice and in a world of What's In It For Me, personal sacrifice just doesn't cut it. Besides I need to take care of my own.

2) Once we understand our role in change we must then realize that trying to wake the sleepers is useless. And preaching to the choir does nothing other than to feed our own confirmation bias and pump our endorphins. We must concentrate on those who are beginning to awaken, those who are beginning to question. But even those people will require time and patience.

The problem with both # 1 and 2 is that so many of us feel a great sense of urgency. When one believes they feel the hot breath of a bear breathing down their neck one is not going to dawdle or linger. But is that bear really just inches from biting our head off or are we being manipulated into thinking we are just one small step from disaster?

If we are not centered before beginning the task of teaching we will succeed only in creating more problems than we solve. This is why I constantly beat the same drum. It all begins within.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:38 | 4090396 The Wisp
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Revolutions take a long time to Hit escape Velocity...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:58 | 4090472 NOTaREALmerican
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Re;  Cog, when we're infants authority is truth (mom/dad). 

All of politics and religion wrapped up in that sentence.

The difference between the children and adults is duplicity.   Those who lead are capable of unlimited (infinte) duplicity.   That's their gift.   The children are either unaware of  the adult's duplicty, or self-deluaional about it, or (like most of the people on here) aware of it but unable to understand why the other children aren't aware of it.

Red Team = kick-ass daddy,  old-testament, crony-capitalism.
Blue Team = smothering mommy, new-testament, crony-socialism.

There are children for each team.   And adults who lead them.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:23 | 4090335 KnightsofNee
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Didn't you mean Sygian Sewer?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:05 | 4090265 earnyermoney
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I used to believe the official story but after 12 years, 4+ years of reading "the bloggers" I've come to a couple of conclusions. 1. The original story is a LIE. 2. Clinton, Bush and Obama played their parts in the LIE.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:16 | 4090545 El Vaquero
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I see this as a false dichotomy.  It is possible to believe that terrorists brought down the WTC and still believe that the government is an enemy of liberty.  You don't need to believe that 9/11 was an inside job to understand that things like the Fed, Operation Northwoods and PRISM are an affront to liberty.  The real acid test is whether or not you believe that goons have a right to tell you what to think, what you can and cannot say, can search through your belongings and email on a whim, can punish you for defending yourself, can take away your property that you paid for because you don't pay them, can take your income because they exist, can operate in secrecy, etc... Framing the issue of liberty against a belief of whether the government brought down the towers or whether terrorists did does not encompass the entirety of those who wish for less or no government interference in their lives.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:42 | 4090657 Cognitive Dissonance
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When I say that 9/11 is the acid test I am NOT saying that 9/11 was an inside job. Unfortunately the alternative "inside job" thesis has been (permanently) conflated with 9/11, thus presenting the newbie with a pre-set alternative thought path. We really don't know what happened that day.....though that doesn't stop people from not only speculating, but stating as fact what (they think) happened.

All that is required to "know" is that we have been lied to about 9/11 and that this lie continues. When one comes to this realization one is then at a crossroads; do I look into the black abyss and question everything.....or only question enough in order to believe some other alternative narrative. Most choose the latter, thus falling into another black hole of mind control.

One of the Big Lies is that in order to discount/abandon one "story" I must first know the entire alternative "story". That is the false dichotomy here. One does not need to understand every last detail of a conspiracy in order for them to see/believe that a conspiracy exists. Demanding the impossible of the (so called) truth speaker, that those who have been lied to produce "proof" of the lie when the burden of proof actually lay with the liars and that the liars control most or all of the "proof" of their complicity speaks to the degree of infantile thinking of the rigid thinker who refuses to think beyond their comfort zone.


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:59 | 4090720 El Vaquero
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Thanks for the clarification, as I clearly misunderstood you. 


Yes, it is very difficult to know what the truth is these days.  There are so many lies and so much corruption floating around out there that it is maddening. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:50 | 4090915 FeralSerf
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It's not very difficult to conclusively prove many things that did NOT happen that are being claimed that did (e.g. the collapse of the 3 WTC buildings without the use of explosives into their own footprints at the acceleration of gravity). Conventional physics and the media's videos are all one needs.

Official secrecy prevents us from knowing exactly what DID happen. Why do you suppose the secrecy exists?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:28 | 4090161 bugs_
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Come see the violence inherent in the system!!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:32 | 4090174 Kirk2NCC1701
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60-80% of the Sheeple are already in their Pen.  Most are happy about it, though they like to bleat.

And a huge chuck of these are busy bumping each other, and putting on useless labels (Communist, Socialist, Islamist) to the Shepherd-In-Chief.  Not realizing that he answers to others above him.  If people don't want to be treated like bleating sheep, they first need to stop acting like them.

/ Now turn that other cheek.  Cause it says so... somewhere.  /s

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:47 | 4090214 Ghordius
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"If people don't want to be treated like bleating sheep, they first need to stop acting like them" +1

I have to admit though that I associate talking about "sheeple" with bleating

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:51 | 4090221 Dr. Engali
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Actually turning the other cheek is very misunderstood statement. When reading scripture you have to understand the times in which they were written. By turning the other cheek you are not saying "ok screw me again this time without vaseline". Turning the other cheek is actually an act of defiance. You are telling the authorities that you can strike me, but you can not break me. I am my own master.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:54 | 4090232 fonzannoon
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The cop who pepper sprayed those kids at that College in California while they just sat there was awarded thousands of dollars in damages for the trauma HE endured from it. I am not up on the scriptures but do they say anything about that?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:08 | 4090280 Zadok
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God has a LOT to say...just a few examples.

94:20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?

Psa 119:150 They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law.

Pro 4:16 For they sleep not, except they have done mischief;  and their sleep is taken away,  unless they cause some to fall. 

Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
Psa 7:15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 
Psa 7:16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.

Psa 10:7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.
Psa 10:8 He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.
Psa 10:9 He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.

Psa 26:9 Gather not my soul with sinners, nor my life with bloody men:
Psa 26:10 In whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:16 | 4090307 somecallmetimmah
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Ooop! (I farted)

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:16 | 4090285 Dr. Engali
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Yes there are injustices in the world, and that was Jesus's whole point. He also pointed out that our crime is sitting by passively allowing them to take place. I'm not here to quote scripture, I'm just pointing out the fact that turning the other cheek is really a very revolutionary statement to make.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:17 | 4090310 fonzannoon
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Please don't take me seriously Doc, I am just playing around. 

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:20 | 4090325 somecallmetimmah
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Levity is the Debil's workshop.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:17 | 4090312 somecallmetimmah
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What about farting in your general direction?  Is that 'revolutionary', too?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:30 | 4090353 Dr. Engali
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I guess that depends on the fartie. Did they have their mouth open at the time? What kind of fart was it? Was it an sbd or did you squirt out a little? There are a lot of factors in determining whether or not a fart is revolutionary.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:33 | 4090378 fonzannoon
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and just when I was concerned I caught you in a serious mood...

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:47 | 4090414 Dr. Engali
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Serious moods with me are like sex, after a couple minutes they're gone. And don't worry I didn't take you seriously. I think I'm a pretty decent judge of character.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:36 | 4090387 somecallmetimmah
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Dude, that was uncalled for.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:54 | 4090228 Byte Me
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..."the U.S. is engaged in an Orwellian global war without end, a war that doesn't just justify monitoring every communication on the planet but actively requires monitoring every communication on the the planet."


Nothing justifies such monitoring 'a priori'

That anyone should think so merely demonstrates the conditioning perpetrated by these control freaks has had some of the desired effect: i.e. that it IS justified.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:28 | 4090359 somecallmetimmah
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Dude.  Someone's knocking at the front door.  You gonna answer it or not?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 11:57 | 4090240 Boondocker
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I took a break from reloading to read this???

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:07 | 4090277 somecallmetimmah
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Hey look!  A squirrel!

Now it's doing something different!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:07 | 4090279 A Lunatic
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Reloading your EBT card.......?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:27 | 4090354 Boondocker
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:10 | 4090287 Zadok
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Get back to work on something useful! Reloading=good!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:06 | 4090271 Reaper
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It's due to the repeating delusion of mankind for a King to solve all problems. To think is to realize your responsibility for any resulting inadequacies. Easier to put your hope in King. This delusion and mental laziness has been going on for three thousand years. Samuel told the Israelites who wanted a king, "And you yourselves will become his slaves." Samuel said the Lord said, "Do what they want and give them a king." Samuel 8. Samuel chose the tallest man in Israel, while we chose a man with a Black skin. When we ever learn?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:15 | 4090299 NOTaREALmerican
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Re; When we ever learn?

Never.   It's Bush's fault.  It's Obama's fault.   Worshipping "the man" is what we're stuck with.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:29 | 4090364 somecallmetimmah
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Pr'olly some friggin' fer'ner's fault.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:06 | 4090275 Mercury
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See today


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:30 | 4090362 Fishhawk
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Not to be a grammar troll, but youse guys drive me crazy with your poor command of the language.  Per the above thread, a king reigns; you rein in a horse (by pulling on the reins). Further, you have loose change in your pocket, which you will lose due to the hole in said pocket.  Failure to use your native language correctly marks you not as un-edumacated, but as guilty of sloppy thinking...the fact that these usage errors occur at the highest levels of our society speaks to the success of 'national education;' can't wait to see what wonders national healthcare can provide... 


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:33 | 4090380 somecallmetimmah
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It's supposed to be "fish-hook", not "hawk".  You see, it's a hook.  For catching FISH!  Ever heard of it?

You can't catch fish with a hawk.  Unless it's a some kind of 'fishhawk'.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:36 | 4090390 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: the fact that these usage errors occur at the highest levels of our society speaks to the success of 'national education

Dude, like, epic fail!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:42 | 4090406 Boondocker
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Watchu tawkin bout willis?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 12:57 | 4090475 Trampy
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It sure is lonely being one of the 1 in 1000 people who is not a brainwashed zombie.

In terms of IQ, the 99.9th quantile supposedly corresponds to an IQ of 147.  I'm no genius, just a hard worker with an open mind. 

SO.  ¿Is there anyone here in Abl ur qer que??

Please email me using the address embedded in my PGP key posted under Bio here.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:14 | 4090533 Trampy
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PGP should be used routinely by anyone who values their privacy. It's lame scare-mongering in service of the Fourth Reich to suggest that using encryption would be detrimental to your freedom. If we are now living in Jeremy Bentham's Panopticon, but you still have the choice of putting up drapes to guard your privacy, just the thought of doing so might seem frightening.

I find it baffling that so many people here at complain bitterly about our loss of privacy, but not a one of them has used my posted public key to send me an encrypted Hello World!

There are plenty of posters here who claim to have strong IT skills and knowledge of network security. Are they all just blowing smoke out their ass?

Actions speak a lot louder than words. See these two sites for new versions of PGP freeware:

Contrary to what you might see, PGP 7.x and 8.x still work, if you know what you're doing. The security holes in those versions are relatively minor unless you are exchanging PGP messages with a skilled attacker who can insert a DLL into their public key and you then insert that DLL into PGP itself somehow ... so it's not a good idea to use 7.x if you use PGP to communicate with everyone, which is probably moot because it's because hardly anyone uses PGP these days.

For one-click installation with hand-holding and tech support, new versions of PGP are sold as commercial off- the-shelf software here: fid=encryption

There is a large set of freeware versions for numerous operating systems distributed by the GNU Privacy Guard project, which is often called GPG:

Last but not least ... in September 2013 there is a brand-spanking new easy-install version of GnuPG targeting new Windows machines, including 64-bit, with particular emphasis on convenient integration with Microsoft Outlook. This software is named Gpg4win; its development was supported in large part by the German Federal Office for Information Security (BSI).

If everyone used encryption, the world would be a safer place!

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:53 | 4090696 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:14 | 4090787 El Vaquero
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Red or green?

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 13:00 | 4090485 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Ein, zwei, drei ....

Is this what global rebalancing is about?

Rebalance China's authoritarian model to the West. China becomes less authoritarian, the West, more so.

Business gets done as usual.

Citizen, place your hands over your head and remain calm ...

If your arms and pms were lost in a boating accident, you should have nothing to fear ...

Everyone should have a boating accident.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:24 | 4090832 Jack Burton
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Good Post! The age of democracy and liberal freedoms are over. We are being put into our cages and being handed the rules of the institution we call a nation. Obama is worse than Bush in his police state measures. But don't take too much hope, I suspect, and believe the future decade will prove me right "The coming republican president will be worse than Obama". Forget parties, each president ups the police state and the war machine another notch. More power and wealth flows up to the 1% and the corporations they hold majority interests in. Stock Bubbles are meant to feed wealth upward. It works. The wars are meant to inspire patriotism and to give our children a chance to be heros. This serves the elties well. As for us? I think my generation of Vets has figured it out, the new vets from Iraq and Afghanistan are catching on too. We were tools, were we defending America thousands of miles away in someone elses nation, in someone elses town or village. Were we killing them to keep our freedom. Who fucking believes that anymore? Not me.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 16:49 | 4091342 smacker
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Also a good post from you Jack. Full of so many truths.

Too bad that so many people have yet to work it out as well as you and folks on ZH have done.

Fri, 10/25/2013 - 14:35 | 4090883 NeoLuddite
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Anybody who has raised kids knows that the clever little rascals become adept at telling lies by about age 4.




Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:37 | 4091113 Stuck on Zero
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I urge a war against bomb holes.  Yep.  Drop bombs to eradicate the bomb holes.  It's never ending, requires more control and resources, and you can claim constant victories.


Fri, 10/25/2013 - 15:48 | 4091156 Henry Hub
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“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

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