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Labor Dept. Says Furloughed Federal Workers Can't Double-Dip On Unemployment Benefits
How anyone thought this made any sense in the first place was a little beyond us, but the Labor Department has ruled that the Federal employees who were furloughed while the government was shutdown were not eligible for unemployment benefits (as well as back-pay)...
- *FEDERAL WORKERS DURING SHUTDOWN NOT ELIGIBLE FOR UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS: CNBC
So no double-dip... we await the union-based class action suit...
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How is that fair?
The fact that this item is newsworthy is quite disturbing.
***BREAKING NEWS*** The Labor Department does something right. Details at 11!
Fuckin-A Awesome Alright!
Can't wait for the whole of the federal gubamint employees to go out on strike and then we'll see what they really don't do during any fucking work (Work!?!?! a la Maynard G Krebs) Day
Jump
You Fuckers
I thought that to get unemployment benefits, one has to be actively looking for work (applying for jobs, interviewing for jobs, etc.).
How could furloughed workers be elible for benefits unless they were attempting to change jobs at the same time?
An Inconvenient Truth called Math
.... Why the system is fucked....
The following article outlines the fact that as per the census, 50% (I'm gonna use rounded easy numbers to make the point but are nonetheless reasonably accurate) of the population is on benefits.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full
Which leaves 50% gainfully employed as in paying taxes.
Then if you Google it, you'll find 33% of the workforce is government employed. So, 33% of the remaining 50% is 17%
Leaving a mere 33% of the population gainfully employed in the private sector.
Now, why separate out the government employees?
because although they pay taxes on their wages, they only pay it on some say, 35% or so...
Meaning that 65% of their wages is accounted for by private sector employees taxe payments.
On top of which, many in the private sector work flipping burgers or as greeters at WalMart... which means they don't earn or pay fuck all in taxes.
So when it's all said and done, very few people, way the fuck less than 33% of working Americans, support the whole fucking system, alongside debt.
The current system is mathematically unsupportable.
Period, EOC
Booyah! Motherfuckers!
Ain't it grand?
patriot...its called temporary lay off....dont have to look...
Thanks for the clarification.
The top 10% pretty much only pay capital gains. Most of them find loopholes so they don't pay anything. 52% of workers make under $20k, so they pay no tax.
I've said for a long time that the middle 10% of the country supports the whole thing. My estimation is the middle class only makes up 13% of the country today. A complete minority and why nobody cares about the middle class anymore. It almost doesn't exist.
But the politicians all say they are for the middle class because people believe it exists and want to be a part of it. Then their actions fuck middle class people over a log because they know there aren't enough middle class people left to do anything about it.
The fact that they thought they could keep it floors me. The FSA is HQ'd in the Government. ..duh
It's only grand if one is a government worker or one sucking on the numerous teats of government programs. If this followed a natural progression many would be starving and be happy to mow lawns for a meal. Why should someone come to my house and help me weed when they can sit on their fat butt, watch a big screen TV and collect 40k in benies? Instead, they bleed me dry and are angry I don't want to play? Why do they feel they have a right to what is mine?
Miffed;-)
Good point patriot, but what about redistribution. They cant let rules get in the way.
We haven't followed a rule in years.
They just slow down the process
It's all done on the honor system, and let's face it, that ship sailed a long time ago.
OT but truly OT worthy:
Government Benefit Recipients Outnumber Full-Time Employed in U.S.
*THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENTS*
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-te...
"There were 108,592,000 people in the United States who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs. According to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time. That included both private-sector and government workers."
"Among the 108,592,000 people who fit the Census Bureau’s description of a means-tested benefit recipient were 82,457,000 people in households receiving Medicaid, 49,073,000 beneficiaries of food stamps, 20,223,000 on Supplemental Security Income, 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing, and 5,854,000 in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program."
BEEECAAAUUUSE OBAMA, BERNANKE, YELLEN, JAMIE DIMON, BLANKFEIN REID & BOEHNER...
TIS - Am I reading that wrong? The numbers add up to way more than 108MM
Double and triple dippers.
Dip 'em in tar...bring the feathers...and the rails...we gonna have a party!
Incredible that we're way past the tipping point.
The numbers don't lie...
How long until the teeter-totter breaks in half?
DaddyO
"How is that fair ?"
That's completely fair . And next time the government hires people, they will be counted at least twice.
"That's like putting your whole mouth right in the dip!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWuSi00CcNk
Fire the ones who attempted to. If I did it at my job, I'd be shitcanned on the spot.
How about letting them keep their unemployment checks, and furloughing them permanently?
Fuck you public sector union parasites.
In some cities ghost payrolling and working 10 to 2pm for 6 figures is not unusual.
Wow.
Seems I'm not alone in my sterling admiration for the public employee base in this country.
Fucking leaches
Indeed, Knukles. You saw how the country fell apart during the shut down due to the absence of our army of public workers. If you have a moment and want a laugh, take a look at prison guards who are suing due to carpal tunnel syndrome which they claim they got from turning keys.
Wankers.
How they got "pulling" syndrome
Good, I hope they're all pissed off.
America, what a great country!
Gubbamint is good work if you can get it!!
DaddyO
The more I think about those numbers I set out above, the more depressed I become. Especially when politicians want to raise taxes.... On whom?
This is the tale of Killing the Golden Goose, FFS
This is Cloward Piven at Work!
We are killing ourselves!
Explains why they DGAS anymore about hiding anything.
My plans to 'Go Galt' in plain sight are well into the execution phase, I suggest
other ZHers stop pissing ,and moaning, and start to act.
We are way past the point of no return now.
You can be a victim or a survivor.Its your choice, but you have to act, not talk.
Why not? Double dipping government pensions and boondoggling is not unusual.
But the National Park Service will get double/triple time plus bonuses for be nazi assholes to veterans.
Fuck you uncle sam.
it's because the Labor dept. doesn't want the unemployment rate to look worse
Good call Labor Dept. WTF? Thanks for the belly laugh.
They didn't say they couldn't triple dip!
Disability, back pay, and unemployment.
If I am not mistaken, in 1995 there was no enforcement mechanism in place to recoup the monies? It is one thing to say you can't do it. It is another matter to enforce it!
And they had to print this? Is it not obvious. What have we become?
anyone who tried to collect should be fired
Having worked for a stint at DOJ right after graduation I can assure you every 2nd person in the US government DC complex can be terminated and you would increase productivity.
The waste - both human and resource wise - is utterly appalling.
Oregon has just ruled that the furloughed gov. workeres don't have to return their unemployment money. We shall see what happens since the Fed says they can't keep it.
Illinois said last week they have to pay their UE back. They are hoping it is done voluntarily.
The funny thing is that someone asked. Otherwise, it wouldn't have come up. Sad, when government employees openly want to steal more from the government...
If they are temporarily laid off and unable to claim unemployment benefits then look at it this way.
Alternating opne - close one day at a time ad infinitum. Half the employment cost and no need to pay unemployment benefits. If that is not enough then open one day close 2, 3, 4, 5, ...
Or is this a first instance of what we actually witnessed?
So you want the Border Patrol to get laid off once a week every week? It will take the cartels about a nano second to figure that out.
You don't understand - those unemployment benefits have already been spent. And we're legally & morally obligated to provide the back pay.
We are not a Nation of deadbeats. We must borrow or print the money necessary to pay both the unemployment benefits and the back pay. Those people earned it in good faith, and the full faith and credit of the United States depends on us paying our bills on time and in full.
This is NOT negotiable.
(Of course soon the fiat itself won't be negotiable anymore, but that's a separate issue).
Goods news for that $100k/yr NIH manager who won't have to sell her $20k in evening gowns to make ends meet.
Bad news for the online pron sites that reported a brisk business during the shutdown.
And good news for ESPN and Sports Illustrated, which had reported a drop in web visits during office hours, because all those furloughed workers are now back and surfing on the job.
"we await the union-based class action suit"
uh, that would be 'classless' action suit.
:)