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Obamacare's Website Debacles Migrate To Paper, Pen And Phone
The rollout of Obamacare to date has been, as many predicted, the case study of everything that is wrong with a mandatory government-conceived, supervised and enforced program. Ignoring for a minute the daily embarrassment the Obama administration has to face with the well-documented failings of the HealthCare.gov website which on second glance should win Obama the Nobel Price for coding in Fortran (or Cobol), and which seems set for a full-blown overhaul that would force a delay of the mandate whether Obama wants it or not, the several million "glitchy" lines of code have become the greatest gift the GOP could have asked for. A gift, which as the saying goes, keeps on giving. Because one of Obama's suggested loopholes has been to advise people who can't or won't sign up online, to do so using old-fashioned means: by paper, pen or phone. Unfortunately, that's where the rabbit hole just goes deeper, because as Politico reports, the glitches that started on line have rapidly shifted to the world of phone and mail, as virtually every pathway of enrolling into the enforced healthcare program is now hopelessly bottlenecked, if not entirely shut.
From Politico:
With the supposedly state-of-the-art $600 million HealthCare.gov portal malfunctioning, President Barack Obama is urging Americans to go ahead and try to get health coverage by mailing in a paper application, calling the helpline or seeking help from one of the trained “assisters.”
But the truth is those applications — on paper or by phone — have to get entered into the same lousy website that is causing the problems in the first place. And the people processing the paper and calls don’t have any cyber secret passage to duck around that. They too have to deal with all the frustrations of HealthCare.gov — full-time.
True. But at least Obamacare's failure means way more government jobs as the demand for people with the absolutely most basic set of rudimentary skills - being able to concurrently listen and/or read and type has soared. Which in an insolvent welfare state - with or without a ministry of happiness - is all one can ask for: more stimulus for everyone... especially if due to the same state's gross incompetence in doing one thing right.
As for Obamacare, the hits just keep on coming:
“I feel like we’re sort of back in the era of control-alt-delete where we’re trying to figure out the different tricks that facilitate people’s enrollment,” said Jennifer Ng’andu, director of health policy for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group that has been helping to publicize the Affordable Care Act.
The administration for the first time on Friday said it expected the health exchange website serving 36 states should be in good shape in about a month. “We’re confident by the end of November, HealthCare.gov will be smooth for a vast majority of users,” said Jeff Zients, the former White House aide and management expert brought into oversee the repair drive.
But for now, with HealthCare.gov crippled by design flaws and a morass of messy code, the president and health officials have been using a variety of posts and announcements to urge people to try low-tech ways of enrolling. Basically they are saying while the front door is stuck, try the side.
This is where it gets really funny:
Of course, reading an 800 number on national TV — as the president did in the Rose Garden the other day — created a flood of callers who couldn’t get through. That led to another wave of frustration and Obamacare punch lines. But Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius tweeted on Thursday that HHS bulked up the call center to include more than 10,000 trained representatives.
POLITICO reporters who got recorded announcements earlier in the week — sometimes directing them to try HealthCare.gov — can now get through to the call center. Once they connect, staffers like “Justin” try to get people’s information into the online system.
But “Justin” doesn’t have a fast track. Asked if the website works better for him than the general public, he responded: “No.”
“The site does not work for us either,” he said.
Raucous laughter aside, there really are no words to describe the gross incompetence that has been revealed, even if many knew long ago that when the government really sets its mind to it, it can screw something up better than the entire private sector possibly ever could.
And since there are no words, back to the raucous laughter:
Sometime, the call center staff can get in and process the application while the caller waits. If not, the staff can take the information, put it in a PDF and finish later. Even then, it’s just the application — once that’s processed, the customer still has to call back or get online to select the specific health plan they want and enroll.
People do not have to stay on hold indefinitely — a good thing because Sebelius said earlier in the week that the center has handled about 1.6 million calls.
It’s similar in the world of paper applications.
Even before the tech problems, the government had a private contractor, Serco, to handle paper applications, which were expected to come primarily from less Web-savvy people. On Thursday, the company’s program director John Lau told the House Energy and Commerce Committee that it had completed between 3,000 and 4,000 applications.
Lau said the company does have the capacity to handle more than what’s expected — a paper surge. But he also said the customer’s data has to be entered into the Web portal and hinted there could be problems if volume dramatically increases. Lau didn’t say how long that takes, but a customer service representative said it would take about three weeks to complete the enrollment process.
“Our challenges have included coping with the performance of the portal as that is our means of entering data just as it is for the consumer,” Lau said, referring to HealthCare.gov. “With the relatively low volumes of applications we have received thus far, this has not been a problem for us.”
But Serco will be flooded with paper applications if the website glitches persist, predicted John Gorman, founder of the Gorman Health Group, which has advised some of the insurance exchanges. “Serco is going to be swimming in paper within the next two to three weeks,” he said.
Sounds like a hint for the US Vice Ministry of Supreme Social Happiness to enforce the directive that swimming in paper equates to at least 8 out of 10 hedons on the happiness scale. Otherwise, some subversive, terrorist tea-party elements may float the wild suggestion that epic government failure may not equate to joy.
Finally, and it goes without saying, at this point there is no way Obamacare's initial enrollment target of 7 million Americans over the next 5 months ca realistically be achieved.
Health industry experts have serious doubts about whether these quaint tools could get the Obama administration a good way toward its first-year enrollment target of 7 million Americans in the exchanges by the end of March.
“There’s no way a call center can handle 7 million enrollees between now and March,” said Dan Schuyler, director of exchange technology for Leavitt Partners.
The National Council of La Raza, Ng’andu’s group, has been working with navigators and assisters, more of whom are getting certified every day to help people sign up. They’re getting the clear message from the administration — only use paper applications if nothing else works.
“We’ve been strongly urged to enroll people online and the paper application is the last resort,” said Michele Cullen, manager of the navigator program for the Genesis Health System in Illinois and Iowa.
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The approaching Dec.15 deadline to get coverage starting Jan. 1, combined with the paper and call center challenges, have left advocates trying to enroll people any way they can while keeping their fingers crossed that HealthCare.gov will improve.
“At this point, we’re three weeks into enrollment,” Ng’andu said. “We’re not going to wait. … From our perspective, we need to get individuals informed. We need to get them shopping.”
Shopping... with a gun to their head. But stepping back from the glitchy trees and looking at the forest of errors, one wonders how long before Obama instructs the GOP to shut down the government once more with the same demand as last time: delay Obamacare.
One wonders if Obama's agreeing to all GOP demands would be measured in hours or in minutes this time around. Then again, one doesn't - after all it's nothing but more political theater.
As for the ordinary American man or woman, well they too have a recourse. Just dial: 1-800-F U-CKYO
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Thanks, Winston.
However, if they have them, they have not used them, at least not yet.
I have studied their rocket program. They have efficiently detonated warheads at an altitude consistent with an EMP burst. I am afraid if we back an Israeli attack- and I think you are right- they will launch an EMP off a tramp steamer near the coast.
I am sure the IDF will attack Iran, it is just a question of when and how.
And just what in the actual fuck is this?
"The National Council of La Raza, Ng’andu’s group, has been working with navigators and assisters, more of whom are getting certified every day to help people sign up."
Shut up you fuckin racist. Go back to your klan rally.
Wyatt, my innocent question exactly. And who are their undoubtedly licensed, vetted, principled Navigators and Assisters? How is my 83 y/o mother going to navigate with Ng'andu's navigators? She has never sat down before a computer console in her life.
Where does she download and print an 'application'?
What if her first language is Celtic?
If you do not speak Spanish, you will not get signed up. If you do not speak Ebonics you will not get signed up.
Only if you are a core constituency of The One will you get any healthcare at all. Everyone else will be dropping like flies. Then people will riot, the economy will collapse, The One will order shoot to kill anything that moves and his mission will be complete.
If you want proper health care you can visit the American doctors in Mexico who refused to participate in Obamacare. Back in the US, doctors who participate are overrun with patients and the line-ups are around the block and miles long. 1800-FUCK YOU Guaranteed!
OWS is back in full action. I couldn't find Ketchup in the crowd.
https://rally.stopwatching.us/
LOL! Obama loving parasites.... go to heathcare.gov for your FREE healthcare! LOL!
IT WAS NEVER ABOUT HEATHCARE!!!!!!
The real agendae are:
1. CONTROL OF all your personal info in a data base
2. review the Cloward-Piven Strategy
The guy that was from Italy cracked me up (the ban hammer took him out.). The amount of effort these global trolls go to speak for us is beyond belief.
+1000!!!
"So, Mr Citizen, let's review your political contributions and that NRA membership."
"But, this is a doctor's office."
"Exactly."
Just wait until you need to actually get some medical assistance if you think this is bad. You will think you have insurance and find out you don't at the doctor's office. Then the IRS will fine you until you can prove you did have it.
First, I am never buying Windex again. Second, Convenient timing for IRAN, suddenly back in the news with 34 Nuke sites and Uranium ready so Israel needs to bomb. Dont we need to investigat NSA violations, ObamaCare lies, CGI/Flotus relationship and of course the 30 or so other Obama ethical issues.
Just got my letter from blue cross stating that my major medical policy is not comprehensive enough to compy with ObamaCare. Gosh I liked the insurance I had and the cost. I thought he said...........
Welcome to tinfoil hat world.
Work
Mass recognizes mass. That’s all it can do. Space is the frontier, which is why the space program failed. It could not adapt. The empire could not replicate its ponzi. It cannot navigate itself.
Of course the ACA software is crap, a revolving scapegoat must be offered, and a new date for completion has been proffered, new same as the old. All software is crap. Each derivative generation must go faster and faster to run from its errors. That’s why they call it a rat race.
All the rock star, sixth sigma assassins know is the top level crap they were certified to replicate, in a software development management model designed to ensure artificial scarcity. It’s always a quick trip to the limit of diminishing returns.
Don’t sow your seed, if you really have one, in crappy soil. The empire is not designed obsolescence; it’s just the default option the morons are running from, empowering the result in the process.
Run any software application. Tally the calls to the low level functions. And then look at their memory usage. It’s all crap.
When you are headed in the wrong direction, which income inequality tells you, increasing speed is not the answer. Urbanality is maxed out, which means that you have to go back, again, to the kernel, which is way too much effort for the replicating robots to consider, but not for kernel programmers. The Fed is burning the clutch.
City council listens to the cult developers, fostering artificial scarcity, money chasing property and empire labor chasing money, to maximize tax receipts for the next round, with monopoly regulation, prohibition extortion.
Survey the water flow, add rock to clean, add trees to get climate, until you can grow fruit along with vegetables, and rotate critters to fertilize. Build your forest around your mill.
I know, I know – way too much work, so it will never work. Replicating income disparity created by Silicon Valley certainly is not the answer.
Loving parents do not bring forth life in an economy to build coliseums. The sh-show is always there. It’s a default option that requires no effort. The momentum of gravity ensures the outcome.
Don’t be the elevator mechanic caught in the shrinking space between the empire cab and the shaft, a dime a dozen, paid with paper promises to lubricate empire flow. You have much better things to do, with your life.
Empires are myopic; they cannot take your life’s work. An empire is only as powerful as you choose to assume. Don’t breed in an expectation of the status quo and expect anything else, but no change, busy work, back to the past.
The urbanizing kids are better at extortion than their masters, big surprise. It’s a conspiracy of stupid. You will not find the future in the past. Don’t wait for the explosion, realization of containment, to design and build your transmission. The empire is always blowing up.
Work ahead.
Uhh, is there a point to any of that?
I think he was attempting to use his US 'american' citizenism eternal nature in trying to farm the weak pun and extort the poor metaphor, but he got blobbed-down in the roadside quagmire of algebraic coconuttery.
Alas, alas, three times alas.
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Funny as funny to see telling artificial scarcity of goods after having crapped piles of an abundant good, more and more supply, less and less demand. For some a dream, but the Chinese citizenism life is real. It only appears as a dream for people who no longer have/wish they have an access to it.
There is very few Chinese citizenism sheeple. Only aware 'AnAnomymist' Chinese citizenism citizens that are duplicitous, profiting in their Communautist Party Ministry of Truth progation, and other Chinese citizenism citizens who pour anger because they were salad tossed out of the bowl onto the roadside. Therefore for the latter, it is all about a dream.
The wet dreams of the Chinese Citizenism citizen are as the piles of dead female fetuses on the mountains of smoldering toxic waste --- not only somehow very mattering, in an ineffable citizenism kind of way, but also very crusty. Literally.
More Charlie Sheen style winning, Obamacare edition.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/hhs-ig-fears-obamacare-co-ops-will-run-out...
Most of the 24 health care co-ops created under Obamacare are in danger of running out of money before they even begin offering health insurance to consumers, according to the Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services.
The 24 nonprofits, intended to create competition for private insurance companies, are funded by a $2 billion loan program authorized by Obamacare to cover their startup costs. The co-ops are expected to become self-sustaining and repay their loans with interest.
But 11 of the 16 co-ops the IG reviewed said they expect startup costs to exceed what they received from the Department of Health and Human Services via the loans, and none of those reviewed by the IG have enough private support to fund them once they're up and running, even though private support was one of the criteria for preference during the loan award process.
"Monetary support is key to ensure co-ops are not relying solely on borrowed funds for initial operations and to safeguard the long-term sustainability of the co-op. We saw little evidence of monetary support in any of the 16 applications we reviewed," the IG said.
Half the co-ops the IG reviewed said they had no private support at all. The other half said their private funding amounted to less than 2 percent of their federal startup loans.
"The limited private monetary support reported in the co-ops' applications may affect the co-ops and the CO-OP program if co-ops expend all available funds before becoming fully operational," the IG said.
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Too bad someone in our military doesn't stroll up to the White House and kick his out.
I mean...this Barry Soetoro (or whatever the fuck his name is) is only completely ruining our country.
You think this is bad wait until Common Core has the same effect on the public re-education system. What do you think the incompetence is limited to one major government run department clusterfuck being pushed by the same cast of characters?
Little lesson in language, common implies everyone and core implies basic so the correct way to term is lowest common denominator standards. You think the moron factory is churning them out now wait until the bar is lowered even further. It is not about lifting up but lowering to the lowest common denominator in the name of equality. And in this case also data collection for outcome based management of your children aka cradle-to-career reform of the system. That is not my term that is Obama's term for it. They see your children in the same way as property rights which is they believe everything belongs to the state not you.
I'd suggest STRONGLY everyone who has children or grandchildren take the time to read and re-read until you understand exactly what they are trying get across here and how this makes a mockery of people's rights in general in the name of data collection and managing outcomes from "cradle-to-career".
http://whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/
SIX THINGS THE US DEPT OF EDUCATION DID TO DEPRIVE YOUR CHILD OF PRIVACYThe story of Common Core and data mining begins as most stories do, with a huge, unmet need.
Self-appointed “stakeholder” know-it-alls at the federal level (also at state, corporate, and even university levels) determined that they had the right, and the need, for open access to personal student data– more so than they already had.
They needed state school systems to voluntarily agree to common data core standards AND to common learning standards to make data comparisons easy. They didn’t care what the standards were, as teachers and parents and students do; they only cared that the standards would be the same across the nation.
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Glad you brought that back into the forefront. Educators have forgotten the depressing fallouts accomplished during the transformation from english to metric system debacle.
Anyone who has bothered to look at a high school history book lately surely realizes that the gaol is and has been to indoctrinate, not educate. Progressive revisionist fairy tales would be a more apt name for the course. Don't send your kids to public schools!!!!!
He has more SSNs than jumper cables at a mexican wedding.
The most heroic thing that members of the military could do is to desert en masse. Walk away. Go home.
So, it never occurred to our idiotic president to force the pharmaceutical companies to lower prescription drug prices to affordable levels? It's the prescription drug prices that drive up the cost of medical care across the board.
In addition, hospitals have to be stopped from price gouging, too. I'm sorry, but it doesn't cost $5 for an aspirin -- the rate some hospitals have been charging patients.
Yea. Too bad we don't have a free market system.
Those tend to bring prices down with competition.
More welfare it is.
There is a tiny bit of a free market in medicine out there. A few doctors are not taking any government anything and as a result they are charging tremendously less and the Docs say they are making even more than before. People from Canada are coming down to take advantage of the low "advertised rates."
After our dear gov't leaders bravely and totally destroy our medical system (and everything else) I think we will see the above quickly pop up....The sad thing is, it should have been that way all along; the bastard gov't stole our money and valuable time screwing everything up. When will we learn to keep gov't out of it?
FedGov will do everything it can to make independent medical practice illegal or impractical. No one operates outside The Matrix without penalty. There will be an army of Agent Smiths to ensure that.
The major problem with pharmaceutical industry and price is 'market' encompasses the world. R&D costs and other issues like regulations that add costs need to be factored into pricing. In the countries where there is little regulation and subsidies the price of the pills are cheaper the companies need to still cover these costs and therefore it has to be raised elsewhere to make up for the lack of price homogenity across the markets. Company still needs to make a profit and pay for R & D to bring new products to market. That is a free market at work there we just screw ourselves with the high cost of regulation priced into the pills.
There are a lot of other problems that force up costs in the medical industry but that is just one of them concerning pharmaceuticals.
Pharma prices are fixed so that medicine can be made available in countries that can't afford it. This is charitable and most decent, right? The UN is on board with it, the drug manufacturers are on board with it, and the US tax payer gets to eat it both in taxes and at the cash register. But this is for a good cause, so we accept this involuntary imposition. After this went through the 3rd world demanded we also pick up their tab for viagra, hair replacement products, tummy ticks and breast augmentation. Pretty sure they got it all too, but the point is the free shit army is international and when our charity is not volunatry, its slavery. Nice guys don't finish last. They don't finish.
Yeah, the R&D costs are largely overstated. As Public Citizen (www.citizen.org) noted, "Industry R&D risks and costs are often significantly reduced by taxpayer-funded research, which has helped launch the most medically important drugs in recent years and many of the best-selling drugs, including all of the top five sellers in one recent year surveyed (1995)."
So, the pharmaceutical industry loves to plead poverty because of R&D costs, which aren't quite as high as they state and which are largely funded by American taxpayers.
And the "people in other countries get all this free shit that drives up the cost" line is pure propaganda. No one gets anything for free. That's simply bullshit from corporate shills.
Big corporations and their lobbyists love to victimize the victims. That's standard.
Hmmm, they could possibly save a few bucks if, instead of paying list price, they used their buying power and did the unusual and simply put it out to bid!
They'll probably give it to those folks that are doing Obamacare. They can't even GIVE money away though, they still have 99% of the money from the Fed that they were supposed to give to the victims of Sandy!
We're all getting fucked because the Obamies were tossing a plum to their buddies.
Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is executive at company that built Obamacare website
"First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website. Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov.
CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company. Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.
Toni Townes ’85 is a onetime policy analyst with the General Accounting Office and previously served in the Peace Corps in Gabon, West Africa. Her decision to return to work, as an African-American woman, after six years of raising kids was applauded by a Princeton alumni publication.
In 1998 George Schindler, the president for U.S. and Canada of the Canadian-based CGI Group, CGI Federal’s parent company, became an Obama 2012 campaign donor after his company gained the Obamacare website contract..."
Politicians clearing room so their cronies can feed as much as they can from the trough while they control the slop, I'm shocked I tell you, shocked. Like that is a unique problem to Democrats or Republicans.
then- "plug the damn hole!"
now- "provide the damn health care!"
the TOTUS knew as much about how to achieve the first as he does about achieving the latter.
all he knows about either is whatever talking points are/were provided to him on the teleprompter screen.
just like he knew nothing about how to actually stop the oil from spilling out of the ruptured well in the GOM, I seriously doubt he knows now much beyond the cliff notes of what is actually in that 2000 page abomination known as the AHA.
it would take a lot of convincing for me to believe that he actually read and understood the contents of what he singed into law, let alone had much, if any input into it's content.
after all, he didn't write that bill, somebody else did. he was just the useful idiot who pushed it down everybody's throat.
and now we are seeing the results, an epic disaster of mass confusion, an administrative and technical cluster on a scale never before seen.
so the question becomes, is this current epic fail due to just poor planning, the result of inadequate IT infrastructure and administration, faulty code and an endless stream of glitches?
or is it possible there is something else going on? is this all just a smoke screen to cover for some other point and purpose behind the curtain? legislation has in the past been used on many occasions as a tool of economic warfare and repression against a civilian population, why should this time be any different?
with all the popular and political opposition, the seemingly impossible to implement and enforce bureaucratic labyrinth that the bill is and the massive expense it will cost in the attempt, the misdirections, misrepresentations and outright lies of what it means for the average serf being exposed on a daily basis now one could conclude at this point obamacare is doomed to fail.
which would be the best possible outcome, unless of course, it was designed to do exactly that, fail.
why? I don't know, but what I do know is that when dealing with our control freak, hyper sociopathic central government it's a wise policy for us citizens to not take what we see, read and hear at face value and it always safe to assume there is much more going on behind the scenes, usually none of it to our benefit.
http://www.centralx.com/diseases/icd889.htm
Search: ICD 9 E 978
PATIENT CODE= LEGAL GOVERNMENT EXECUTIONS UNDER OBAMA CARE BILL, aka AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT.
Guess that's the real reason why the website is down huh CathleneaSebillious?
That code has been in the database pre-Obama.
http://www.icd9data.com/2007/Volume1/E800-E999/E970-E978/E978/default.htm
It has nothing to do with Obamacare.
Pre Obama is 2007, correct, but what your distorting is the fact this patient code is still on the books and found in the Affordable Health Care Act as I originally posted above.
Proving chicken or the egg has no relevance here. It's applicable regaurdless.
You failed on the attempt to insert a verbode element with your opening statement but lost at removing the dangers of these type of patient codes.
You achieved a -0- sum game with your reply of basically proving... nothing but sticking up for this administration that adoped the same old patient codes thst allow governmental assasinations? Your okay with that?
Really?
Polish a turd, It's still a turd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciYPbe-16RE (4:07)
The real irony is that under the old healthcare system it probably would have cost 2x less to just buy those without healthcare some healthcare. Under OCare, the gov is going to spend a ton of money getting people signed up for healthcare and then a ton more for the actual care.
Ya sure I'll take a double double of ObamaCare with fries on the side. Sure onions fried and maybe a new liver too.
Go on get out of here you globalist traitor M'Fers.
So does La Raza get the same kickback rate as the Baltimore Ravens? Oh, in case you don't know what the racist organization La Raza is all about, take a look here:
http://www.humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-r...
Joe "boss, their are just too many trying to sign up to our great product."
Bath House "Call dhs up and tell them to use some of the ammo they bought. That should open up the phone lines."
Joe "I thougth you were saving that for declaring your Kingship and my Princeship."
BH "There is only 1 Prince, and he won't return my calls. I guess he's into girls. Yuck. Your titile will be AssKing."
Joe "Hollow point or FMJ?"
BH "Both."
1-800-FUCKYOU, OBAMA!!!
I love that number
ObamaCare - "Our representatives are looking out for us...."
However -
The dearly departed Gore Vidal grew up in the lap of luxury. Years ago in an interview, he said that if you heard the way the wealthy talked among themselves about the common man, you would never vote for one of them.
Still think so?....
Oh, my God, people are getting FREE SHIT! Wal-Mart is getting FREE use of that Interstate highway system you paid for. Agribusiness is getting FREE payments to subsidize their crops. Defense contractors are getting FREE money when they run over budget. Next thing you know, poor kids will be getting FREE MEDICAL CARE. We have to stop this FREE SHIT movement before our nation collapses.
Starting today, everyone MUST PAY THE EXACT COST of every good and service they use. It is the only way for our nation to survive. Parents will no longer subsidize freeloading, lazy children over five years old who can work. The impoverished old and sick will be left to die because nature should cull out the weak. SHIT MUST BE PAID FOR!
First, give me the refund of the Police/Surveillance/Military/Prison/WarState portion of my taxes.
You can pay for murdering children in Pakistan, SWAT raids and prison for pot-heads and spying on your neighbors for fun and profit.
Yeah, I thought so......inside the mind of an authoritarian.....control, control, control.....
My computer has been broken for months so I'm going to submit my application in Mongolian script. I hope that is alright with them. I will file a copy of my application with my return, to demonstrate my diligence.
Now Foxy News gives you daily dosage of John Bolton.
Who needs a deathstar. Make a necessary, but unfixable, website, and send nominal GNP to moon trying to fix it.
The "Broken Website" fallacy....
Re: Kuntbelieveit
If you think the FDA is keeping our food safe then by all means help yourself to another serving of salmonella laced, caged for life,gmo grain fed chicken breast. And dont forget to wash it down with some nasty white udder puss laced with antibiotics blood and fecal matter - that has been pasturerized ,for your health of course. Due to the hard "work" of the Brownshirts at the FDA -bought and paid for by Monsanto - small local farms are being terrorized on a daily basis while Big Ag gets a free pass to sell the masses poison laced with food.Anyone who believes that Fed Gov is a force for good is either working for them or taking advantage of some benefit they offer. .Fed Gov. is nothing but a force for evil - writ large.
How very remarkable! You have found flaws in the operation of the Federal Government. Could it be that similar flaws exist in corporations, or religious institutions, or universities? Could it possibly be that all large human organizations make blunders?
But let's assume the Federal Government of the USA is uniquely evil. Is this also true of all other governments? Is the Swedish government evil? What about the Swiss? Are all governments a "force for evil?"
One of the first things pioneers and settlers do is establish government, because without it little things like property rights and law enforcement don't work. As nations grow, so do their governments. Ever since Ronald Reagan, large numbers of Americans, like you, have been persuaded to hate their government, the government that created the atomic bomb, the Interstate Highway system, the moon landing, and the Internet.
It is simply insane to demonize the Federal Government whose role has been essential to securing the prosperity and security of this neation. There is no coherent alternative to central government in the modern era. If you have such an alternative in mind, please describe it.
Government as an institution produces nothing except that which it extracts by force. If that statement seems absurd try opting out - via not paying your taxes - and see how much time elapses before letters threatening jail time arrive in the mail. When government does "produce" it does so inefficiently ;in its allocation of resources, during creation of the "service/product" and in its final management/oversight. To borrow from your example - the atomic bomb. Who outside of the military and military (govt) connected cotractors wanted this monstrosity. No one. It was not a product that the marketplace had deemed important. It was something a select few with political power deemed important. When the actual creation took place - was there even anything that remotely resembled a budget that was adhered to? Was graft and corruption missing? Not hardly. Has the environmental track record of atomic weapons and the management of them been examplary. I think we all know the answer to that question considering the fact that the DOD is one of the largest polluters on the planet. In short we can see that your example of a "great product" that government has provided us is nothing short of shitty.
I adhere to and live by the philosophy of our founders when they said " the best type of government we can have is the government that governs least".
By the way troll, how does it feel being categorized as " nonessential" by the MSM. At least you got a vacation out of it. Too bad you will never see that golden retirement though - default will insure that. You might actually have to work/beg for a living at some point in the not too distant future.
BigSpruce,
Amen brother!.....
The Fed Gov. is up for sale to the highest bidder and that sure ain't me....
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Well...If only the sick and most costly enroll then Health Care Insurance Companies will go under. They will go Bankrupt. I can think of no greater gift to our Nation.
Instead of whining about this why not profit from this?
SHORT HEALTH CARE INSURANCE COMPANY STOCK.
Thank you Obama. We will make a killing.
I heard Sebelius use that insulting euphemism for being forced to buy something we don't want, she said in an interview that after people were forced to register then "they are going to go shopping". "Go shopping", their disdain for regular people is complete, they think we're so stupid that if you tell us we're shopping while we're being forced to spend our own money then they think we'll love it. "Shopping". Pathetic.