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Big Brother Is Coming To Your Car

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This is a topic that has been on my radar screen for a while, but one that very few Americans seem to be paying attention to despite the egregious revelations concerning NSA spying that have emerged recently. I first flagged this issue in late 2012 in an article titled: Coming to Your Car: Mandatory Black Boxes That Record Everything.

The latest push for tracking devices in cars is being sold as necessary in order to raise funds to pay for the nation’s decayed highway infrastructure. For example:

As America’s road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

This is simply idiotic. There is already a tax per gallon on gasoline, so people are already being taxed based on how much they drive. Only a control-freak, moronic government bureaucrat would come to the conclusion that the solution to this problem is to install Orwellian tracking devices in people’s cars.

More from the LA Times:

WASHINGTON — As America’s road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.


The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America’s major roads.

Are people really so dumb they will agree to this? Probably.

And while Congress can’t agree on whether to proceed, several states are not waiting. They are exploring how, over the next decade, they can move to a system in which drivers pay per mile of road they roll over. Thousands of motorists have already taken the black boxes, some of which have GPS monitoring, for a test drive.


This really is a must for our nation. It is not a matter of something we might choose to do,” said Hasan Ikhrata, executive director of the Southern California Assn. of Governments, which is planning for the state to start tracking miles driven by every California motorist by 2025. “There is going to be a change in how we pay these taxes. The technology is there to do it.”


The push comes as the country’s Highway Trust Fund, financed with taxes Americans pay at the gas pump, is broke. Americans don’t buy as much gas as they used to. Cars get many more miles to the gallon. The federal tax itself, 18.4 cents per gallon, hasn’t gone up in 20 years. Politicians are loath to raise the tax even one penny when gas prices are high.

Loath to raise the tax, so let’s put a tracking device in every car instead. I don’t even know where to begin…

As the trial got underway, the ACLU of Nevada warned on its website: “It would be fairly easy to turn these devices into full-fledged tracking devices…. There is no need to build an enormous, unwieldy technological infrastructure that will inevitably be expanded to keep records of individuals’ everyday comings and goings.”

But it’s for the highways people. You like highways don’t you? I’m sure it’ll piss off the terrorists too.

What a sad state of affairs.

Full article here.


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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:49 | 4097719 One And Only
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More and more I'm beginning to feel like Anne Frank. How does one hide from this modern day gestapo?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:53 | 4097736 Stackers
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Tracking devices are already installed in most late model cars.


Go thumb through you operators book for your car and you will find a large bold lettered disclaimer about the "vehicle data recorder" that may or may not be accessed by law enforcement or other government agencies.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:59 | 4097778 superflex
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Not in my car.

But i'm not a sheep who needs a new car every 4 years.

Bullish on pre-2010 models.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:04 | 4097810 hedgeless_horseman
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Got W123 Diesel?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:06 | 4097825 glenlloyd
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I have a W140 diesel...same situation basically. I also have a VW Fox converted to diesel.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:25 | 4097925 zaphod
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On the upside, there will emerge a large underground market for hacking / disabling these things, and given how good the government is at designing stuff we all know they'll be rock solid. 

We will then get to watch the government will try to stop all the free "how to" manuals people post online. Will need popcorn

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:28 | 4097939 Gen. Keith Alexander
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We don't really need a device on your car to track you.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:36 | 4097980 Dr. No
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I junked you Gen. Alexander.  As a rule, I junk oath breakers, viloators of the constitution, and overall despicable human beings.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:43 | 4097992 Enslavethechild...
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Whatever you do, don't buy a new car.

To the NSA and all the Corporations that benefit from their enslavement policies.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:46 | 4098016 SRSrocco
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Even though the US Govt is becoming a larger force as BIG BROTHER, the Secret Service is now involved in the Counterfeiting of Gold & Silver Eagles as it is a Federal Offense to produce fake Legal Tender Coins.

This is must see video as it also shows how to tell the difference between real and fake Gold & Silver Eagles.



Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:49 | 4098029 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Hey look!! Why is that ZHer driving his car down the middle of the river?!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:34 | 4098173 TuesdayBen
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That 'moronic Gubmint bureaucrat' is simply endeavoring to please his masters, control-freak statist ideologues of Axelrod/Obama ilk, who are the true evil. 'climate change', Gubmint in healthcare and host of other Gubmint lunacy is driven by these same evil freaks concentrated in politics, media, academia.

They lust to dominate you.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:35 | 4098216 Joe Davola
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Cash for clunkers - more proof the gov never gives $$'s without strings

Wonder what they'll offer to get your manda-volun-tary chip implant

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:44 | 4098271 macholatte
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$17T in debt but no money for bridges & highways as promised.

Remember that "shovel ready" propaganda?


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:01 | 4098541 NoDebt
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Hi, this is OnStar, here's how I'm going to help you today, whether you like it or not.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:06 | 4098560 bobola
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I ride a pannier packed bicycle everywhere.

1996 truck sits in the garage and hopes to get driven on the weekends, if its lucky..........

There's your solution....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:39 | 4098915 eatapeach
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What about cellphone?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:33 | 4100061 PT
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It's a bit difficult to pack two step ladders, a couple of dozen conduits, two tool boxes plus various power tools and parts onto a bicycle and then ride it 80 kms to and from work each day.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:27 | 4098178 dick cheneys ghost
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might as well start sending STOOL samples to Ft Meade or Utah.........Monsanto wants to make sure ur eating GMO foods......


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:54 | 4098048 johnQpublic
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pre 1980 vw diesel golf(aka rabbit), gets over 70 mpg

and, bonus, no tracking computers and will run on used fryer oil with almost no mods

though what i'm looking for is a pre 1974 p/u truck w/o a cat converter and no computer of any sort, registerable as an antique with lower insurance and registration costs

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:44 | 4098274 yofish
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They are impossible to come by here in AK and when they do become available they are beat and too expesive. I've got a 02 Saturn that gets 40 mpg on the road and has a heater that will run you out. I do want a rabbit, though.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 17:14 | 4099037 glenlloyd
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No computer also means no death to your vehicle from pulse tech.

If a person could find a manual IP solenoid it wouldn't even need a battery to run.....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:22 | 4100020 Ident 7777 economy
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-1; Overblown as to effets.



A pulse that stout will short-circuit your brain, too.





Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:42 | 4098250 Save_America1st
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Edit:  never have it at your site.  The link above goes to a zerohedge's the link to Steve's site:

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:07 | 4098098 Kirk2NCC1701
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I neither agree nor disagree, since I cannot claim to know enough first-hand about him as a general or as a man.

But I have to wonder about the man, if perhaps his conscience got the better of him, and if this was the real reason that Obummer's fascists/blackshirts shit-canned him. Ditto for a number of other Generals who fell under the 'Immorality' ax.

I guess we'll have to wait for the Memoirs to come out, which may quite likely be a mix of truth and revisionist history.  "He who writes first, writes best"?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:34 | 4098212 Dr. No
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He did lie under oath.  Not sure how to spin that in a memoir.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:40 | 4098245 boogerbently
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Why is it, between Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Snowden, the NSA, as well as our “diligent” main stream media, we STILL haven't got the details of the BILLION$$$ of pork wrapped into obamacare?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:30 | 4097943 redpill
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How is this not a direct violation of the 4th amendment?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:32 | 4097958 Dr. No
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Driving is a "Privledge".  You know, so they can have "random stops", cameras, and RFID scanners.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:00 | 4098077 MachoMan
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Bingo, and when you sign up for your DL, you consent to the snooping/rules of the road.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:46 | 4098278 macholatte
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How is this not a direct violation of the 4th amendment?


He who has the guns creates & enforces the laws.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:11 | 4098353 MachoMan
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Same way that if you refuse to consent to a breathalyzer/blood test from the police after a traffic stop, that they can charge you with a crime for your refusal (sometimes worse than if you had actually consented and blown above the legal limit).

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:24 | 4098393 DFCtomm
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That's what Americans just don't seem to understand. Read the constitution of the USSR or any other two bit dictatorship. They all sound good, but it's just pretty words on expensive paper. The people must demand that the government obey their own laws. The people are the secret ingredient. You cannot have a just nation if you do not have a just people.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:28 | 4098183 jsgibson
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Beginning to think the Amish are on to something...  dealing with real horse-$#@! is preferable to what these bureaucrats dream up.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:22 | 4098160 29.5 hours
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That's what we get for the crime of driving more fuel efficient vehicles and causing declining gas tax revenues. Now we deserve to be *also* charged for each one of those fuel efficient miles.



Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:28 | 4098416 DFCtomm
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It has nothing to do with that. It's just their excuse. I like how it's so important that we only charge people proportionally to the actual miles they drive. It's sooo important that the government be fair and only charge people for what they use, and that's why we need to track your every move. It's so that we can be fair. They aren't worried about being fair when they tax childless people to pay for public schools are they? The government wants this, and it intends to have it. It's only fair.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:49 | 4098489 rubiconsolutions
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"How is this not a direct violation of the 4th amendment?"

Because of the word "unreasonable", that's how they can get away with it. It's the same reason that TSA rapes aren't a violation of the 4th amendment. And precisely why I believe the constitution is an increasingly feckless document. A word count of the constitution will show that 95% of the words in it are devoted to what the government can, shall and must do. A mere 5% are devoted to the rights of the individual and those are conditional. That means that 95% of the power rests in the hands of government. Take a look at Article I, Section 8 specifically and tell me if there is any real restraints on government. As an example, between the 16th amendment and Article I, Section 8 government can tax you at a rate of 98% and there's not a thing that can be done because that would be "constitutional".

I'm with Lysander Spooner on the constitution - "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” - Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:58 | 4098517 DFCtomm
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One problem with our system is that it has many laws governing the actual government that have no penalty, no "or". Take the law that requires an annual budget to be passed. There is no penalty. If they don't pass a budget nothing happens. There is no pass a budget or the entirety of Congress is placed under house arrest until they do.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 19:34 | 4099470 mandrak0s
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+1 for the Spooner reference. I loved his work on Trail By Jury. Jury nullification anyone?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:32 | 4097959 Fish Gone Bad
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there will emerge a large underground market for hacking / disabling these things

I don't know about that.  When you get a smog check the computer checks to see if the error codes were recently cleared, so I am thinking they can just as well check to see if the tracking is operable.

That said, I have some old vw's that apparently are still running.  The cars have something like 300 parts to the whole vehicle.  They are loud, and pre smog.  Gotta love old technology.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:07 | 4097969 CunnyFunt
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Pre-OBDII vehicles are the way to go. It's too bad that so many of them were dispatched via "Cash for Clunkers." I'm convinced that a purpose of that program was to diminish the pool of exempt vehicles and used parts.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:47 | 4098017 SWCroaker
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Find key part.  Take out.  Hook up alligator clips, 24v 20A powersupply.   Wait for smoke and funny smell, remove clips.  Wait to cool.  Reinstall.  Not my problem if cheap foreign made components keep melting selves down.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:20 | 4098153 Dr. No
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It will be like the "lost parking garage ticket" situation.  You get the discount if you present the data, otherwise you pay the full fine.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:36 | 4098662 Real Estate Geek
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Like the event data recorder, this will be integrated with the computer that deploys the air bags. The bureaucrats are evil, not stupid.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:26 | 4100027 Ident 7777 economy
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" Find key part.  Take out.  Hook up alligator clips, 24v 20A powersupply.   Wait for smoke and funny smell,  "



Yeah. Real brilliant. When you find that takes out the CPU controlling your ignition timing too ..



Smart. Real smart. And out 300 plus bucks easy  ...




Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:14 | 4098120 MachoMan
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There are a lot of uses for the devices and they're already installed in every vehicle:

1.  Crash reconstruction.  The box keeps a log of actions like brake use, cell phone use, stereo use, etc.  Once you're scraped off the pavement, the lawyers will be duking it out over the contents of your black box...  You might also be posthumously awarded a ticket!  Winning!  [it's also to limit the manufacturer's liability in that it logs all the lights (allegedly) that go off on your dash...  so, if you have an airbag warning light and the airbag doesn't deploy in your wreck, then good luck collecting against the manufacturer for a faulty airbag; same for tire pressure, etc.].

2.  Mileage deduction.  If you want to take the standard mileage deduction, then there's no better proof than a log from a gps tracking device...  In fact, I could see them requiring this for all drivers who want to take the deduction.

3.  Reduced insurance.  Most of the insurance companies want to know your driving habits, so if you can prove that you're not a crazy assed driver, then you'll get cheaper rates.

Seems like to me though, there is a happy medium between protecting my right to privacy of this information and the state's eavesdropping...  how about making folks get a warrant/subpoena? 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:19 | 4098134 Dr. No
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I believe (Progressive? or is it e-surance?) requires a plug in device for auto insurance when you buy the "low miles, good driver" policy.  A friend indicated he gets docked points for "hard stops" and has to alternate cars to keep the milage under the quota.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:36 | 4098221 tbone654
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So you have your government vehicle that you drive your family to church in... and your home-made motorized schwin that you go to the casino in...

Or is it the other way around?  ya! probably don't want to be seen near a church...  casino ok tho...


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:45 | 4100094 PT
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Oh yes, the good ol' "we'll give you cheap insurance, as long as you don't drive your car" ...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:33 | 4098202 superflex
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I junked you for the misinfomation that that crap is installed in every vehicle.

WV/Audi group has not complied with the Stassi requests.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:25 | 4098398 MachoMan
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Semantics...  do audis and mercedes have onboard computers that log many of the same things as a "black box"?  Yes...  do they comply fully with the government's/industry's requests/proposed protocols?  Nope...  call it whatever you want.

It's all academic anyway, the federal mandate is coming down the pipe, so the last holdouts will be washed away just the same.  [you're arguing the exception not the rule; ~92% of cars already have them]

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:27 | 4100032 Ident 7777 economy
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To: MachoMan


Smartman, how does that verify or note 'cell phone use,' ?


(Plse don't talk out your arse on subjects you know nothing about)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:51 | 4100272 MachoMan
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If you use your vehicle's functions to control your phone, then it is logged...  e.g. hands free.  The remainder of information will be taken directly from your cell phone...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:53 | 4098732 sleigher
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I was hoping for an expansion in the custom bike market.  Custom cars but really just small efficient vehicles that leave all the fluff out

and just get you where you need to go.  No computers, GPS, phones or any of the other extras.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:28 | 4097935 Skateboarder
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"This really is a must for our nation. It is not a matter of something we might choose to do,” said Hasan Ikhrata, executive director of the Southern California Assn. of Governments"

Please utilize the six degrees of separation and tell everyone you know to tell everyone they know to tell everyone they know... to kick Hasan Ikhrata in the nuts.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:12 | 4098113 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sure, but this is a better and much faster 1st step: Find him on LinkedIn and...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:39 | 4098240 DollarMenu
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"Hasan Ikhrata" -

He's an American?

Can we see his papers?

Yeah, I  know, not PC on my part.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:59 | 4098761 Suisse
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He went to school in the former soviet union (and is likely from there). It probably reminds him of the old days. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:07 | 4097830 superflex
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That's the Merc Michael Hastings should have bought.

No silly computer to hack.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:13 | 4097868 Dr. No
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Hopefully they keep an exemption for old cars (+25 yrs?).  This will create a bull market for Pintos!!  The alternative would be to require them which would results in $hundreds to get them installed.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:32 | 4097953 Skateboarder
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Think of the lovely $500 (or wait, why don't we just make it a $1000 and make everyone shut up) ticket you'll get when the popo pulls you over for not having a black box, cuz a network of detectors told him so, before you even rolled down the street, sucka.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:52 | 4098504 johngerard
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My dad used to have one of these in the eighties. Ugly, slow, and noisy, but incredible build quality and reliability. He loved it. It was avocado green with dark green leather interior. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:04 | 4097816 glenlloyd
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they won't be accessing the computer in my around town car, it doesn't have one.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:55 | 4098509 johngerard
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Don't you worry - Federal law will ensure you have one retro fitted. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:24 | 4097923 gbresnahan
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i love my 1998 car, and worst case i live in a place where i can walk to most places i need to go.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:20 | 4098152 General Decline
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Just be sure to leave your smart phone on the coffee table when you go for that walk. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:28 | 4097933 CaptainObvious
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+1 This is why I drive a 13 year old Toyota. No fucking tracking boxes and I pay less in repairs in a year than a new car owner pays in three months of car payments.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:34 | 4098443 Golden Showers
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Old Toyota vehicles of any make are plentiful and cheap. They live forever. No one wants them, either. 1993 or before are fantastic. Find a carburetor car and get in one. Also, one's driving perceptions change when you can hear the road, get sped-over like road trash, and you realize that a car is just a tool. Operating an old piece of shit puts me in observer mode. I watch a bunch of assholes with a 60 month payment plan in a hurry to go nowhere. I spent a thousand bucks on my car, gave it a timing belt, brakes and shocks and have done nothing else with it for seven years. I'd rather buy precious metals than a late model whip. No matter, if it's used and you can pay cash, buy it. Expect to spend as much on repairs as you did on the car. Then hold. Someone will give you twice what you paid for a well cared for classic down the road. Fuck devaluation, a car is the worst investment money can buy. Also, it's very sad that most people these days have more equity in their car than their savings, unless you count video game consoles, shitty plasma t.v.s and dependents under the age of 18.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:00 | 4097784 Say What Again
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Tracking devices should be placed on every politician in Washington, and their activities should be posted on a public web site for all to see.  BTW -- the web site will NOT be administered by the government.

After all, don't they work for us, the citizens of the US?  Shouldn't we know what they are doing for all the money we pay them?


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:17 | 4097884 thewhigs
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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:21 | 4097906 PT
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Every politician and everyone who communicates with politicians.  If they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to fear.  Its the only way to keep them open and accountable.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:46 | 4098276 DollarMenu
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I think every politician should be required to wear a NASCAR type uniform every time he/she is in public.  On the uniform, the logos and names of the 10 highest donors to his campaign and PAC funds.

Then there is no mistake of the source of the bullshit that falls from his/her mouth.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:51 | 4098503 Golden Showers
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I thought about running for potus on a platform of how many days I could survive the office. I'd make it my policy to live in shithole DC in section 8 public housing, take the bus to work at whitey's house, kill the fed, f.d.a., e.p.a., close read section 26 and bitch slap the irs, stop the wars, disband the alphabet companies, bring home the troops and give them their 40 acres and mule, make it mandatory for every home to have an M4, or AK, or one of those 9mm short close combat fucking things I can't remember. Give incentives for full-auto capabilities. Hey... you want a surplus abrahms or a 50 cal? BID! What's mine is yours! Plus I'd be watched 24/7 on PrezTube where you can watch me brush my teeth, get assassinated, or fuck three bitches at the same time. All other non-full disclosure, non-transparent servants of the people are shit on my shoe. Who wants to be Vice Prez?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:26 | 4098629 Golden Showers
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C'mon, people!

Vote for me: I'll only live once!

K-O-K, I'll throw in the 10th Ammendment, make it illegal trespassing for federal employees to move outside of DC, with those radio detonated explosive necklaces like from the running man, YOU know. Like, from guam, puerto rico, or marutania (whatever the fuck it is) and then I'll just pull out of all the islands and hole up the corporate headquarters in DesMoins Iowa and you can all tell me to fuck myself. Who's the RUNNING MAN, NOW, Bitchez! And then, like, no foolin' Y'all can watch as I tear this mother-fucker down because I grabbed the mandate of heaven and want to free my people! Let me show you that the president of Coca Cola can't tell you to wear your seatbelt. You stupid shits. How can the president of a foreign corporation called USA tell you ANY-thang. Plus, as an added bonus, I'll give every man, woman and child their cut of all the natural resources monies that were gained from corporations that harvest the same. It's your land. It's your rightful domicile that is getting raped. You should be paid. How about instead of paying taxes, corporations pay taxes to YOU! And I think it might be fun to change the reserve currency to potatoes. Think about it: potatoes have everything the body needs. You can make vodka from them too. He who has potatoes, has life. GOD BLESS AMERIKA!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:53 | 4098733 Golden Showers
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Ok, you people obiously aren't golfers. Does this place look like I'm fucking married? I'm trying real hard, to shephard the weak through the valley of darkness. How about I give the 4th and 1st ammendments back? C'mon. I really want Ur votz. How about we completely decriminalize all drugs, including lexipro which I bet you snort like candy. We'll stop fluoridating all water supplies, stop GMO's and we'll put eugenicist assholes on display, like in the circus. I'd really like it if you would vote for my death. Please, I'm begging you. Watch me die. Also, in commemoration of the 50th of JFK, I want you to sign up for my pay-per-view assassintion. That and I think Pete Rose should play ball again, unless he's dead. I don't even know. I think that all of our congress people should go down to TALADAGA, ALABAMA and race around a track in computerated automobiles against their own will so that we can laugh at how bad they drive. A good candidate must have driving skillz. Must be able to pilot a pontoon boat in NAM or help the injured. And there should be a strict, very strict 2year maximum on government service assholes doing ther "job". They shoudl be drafted the same way your uncle was and not want to do this shit because it's... shit. K. WAKE UP! Fuck your money, You are too stupid for knowing what to do with currency or money. I only ask you to KILL ME. Is that so hard?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:30 | 4097948 krispkritter
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Can we have explosive charges installed in them in case they start ignoring the People again or go off the reservation?  Maybe an electric jolt if they get within 100 feet of a lobbyist?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:29 | 4098882 Golden Showers
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k, hi. You are stupid. Thank you for being here. Good day.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:20 | 4100014 krispkritter
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Wishful thinking.  

PS.  Go fuck yourself anally with a chainsaw until you expire...thanks in advance!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:30 | 4097950 Bawneee Fwank
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They will be at pedophile orgies.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:46 | 4098945 Golden Showers
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Like your mother?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:02 | 4097801 1100-TACTICAL-12
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By God when is enough going to be enough ?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:07 | 4097831 Overfed
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Pretty sure there isn't a EDR or Datalogger in my 1985 Nissan. Or 1978 Jeep.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:28 | 4097936 rqb1
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Here is the list of cars and model year with it.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:50 | 4098032 SubjectivObject
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It's an interesting tell that US manufacturers were the early adopters.

This thing has been planned for a while.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:17 | 4098133 superflex
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I'll stick with B6 and B7 Audi S4's.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:24 | 4098169 Gert_B_Frobe
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Cr@p, the Rolls Ghost has one.

So much for using it anymore on hooker loops.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:57 | 4098063 detached.amusement
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*Tracking devices are already installed in most late model cars.

You do understand that "late" means no longer in production, right?  I mean, if you refer to a person as "late" in the same context, you're saying they're dead.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:59 | 4097776 e_goldstein
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Buy a bicycle and go low tech.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:05 | 4097822 logicalman
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already did.

No cell phone or credit card either.

TV went away 14 years ago.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:56 | 4098059 freedogger
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Or go high tech and buy a stealth e-bike. Ten bucks worth of electricity is all it takes to cross Canada:

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:14 | 4098123 LeisureSmith
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Here's one that really moves..

Homemade i think.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:01 | 4097793 debtor of last ...
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Write down your memoires. A yellow triangle roadsign means; one way traffic.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:08 | 4098105 Doom and Dust
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Try the train.. Oh wait.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:50 | 4097726 orez65
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Liberals love this type of shit.

They should be relagated to pet status.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:52 | 4097743 Headbanger
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Don't insult my dog like that!


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:22 | 4097912 knukles
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The very same people want to stop folks from drinking soda and fruit juice because of the sugar, but hand out needles to drug addicts.

Fucking Brilliant

Kill Them All First

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:16 | 4098129 Anusocracy
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Uncle Sam is strangling himself to death with both his left and right hands.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:46 | 4098272 Jumbotron
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Time to get a motorcycle.

"Born to be wild !!! "


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:04 | 4097814 DosZap
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Another way to STOP new car purchases, and/or removal of the trackers.MANY will do this, or Both.I refuse to buy a 21014 model simply for this fact.SCREW THEM.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:44 | 4098007 Keyser
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Do you think the sheeple will know, and if they did, do you actually think they care?


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:03 | 4098087 MachoMan
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Pull out the black box, void your warranty...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:45 | 4098478 StandardDeviant
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I'd love to buy a 21014 model!  "Once around the Orion Nebula, then home, James."

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:10 | 4097844 tvdog
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The Reason Foundation came out in support. Disgraceful.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:13 | 4097869 Lost My Shorts
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Liberals don't love it at all.  Liberals would just raise the gas tax.  Who do you suppose would prevent raising the gas tax?  (Scratching head ....)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:19 | 4097897 Wyatt Junker
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Out here in Norcal, Barbara Boxer has been pushing this for years.  She's been very outspoken about it, her enthusiasm bubbles over like a witch at her cauldron.


That''s one Boxer I'd like to see in the clinch, with Iron Mike Tyson, getting her fucking ear chewed off.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:25 | 4097924 knukles
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How the fuck did we wind up with so many dingle-berries in the House and Senate from California?
It's embarrassing.
And most of 'em are women, to boot.

Maxine Waters 2016

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:03 | 4098089 Hulk
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Its as if God tipped the country and all the fruits and nuts rolled West !!!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:49 | 4098964 Golden Showers
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M.W. is a dumb bitch fraud. I'm sorry. Please insert another quarter to contuinue playing.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:18 | 4098137 NickVegas
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Moar red team blue team mythology, carried forward by the slaves as truth. It's those durn liberals destroying Amerika. If we could only get a good conservative, like, well, like G.W. in the white house to fix this stuff.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:29 | 4098189 Kirk2NCC1701
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@orez65: "Liberals love this type of shit.  They should be relagated to pet status."

My, my, how times have changed.  My self-righteous friend. 

It used to be that it was the GOP types who loved any authoritarian, jack-booting law or regulation.  They couldn't get enough of that shit.  And it was the "Liberals" as you call them, who came out of the 60's Hippie movement, who opposed 'Nam, Nixon, the DoD and any freedom-restricting law or regulation.

The problem with painting with broad paint brushes is that they are great when relegated to painting a barn or dog kennel (speaking of 'pets'), but not so good at painting a recognizable picture.

Truth can be such a two-edged sword.  :-)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:50 | 4097728 pods
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Just think how well this system will be managed.  

We are fast approaching peak government.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:36 | 4097973 john39
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if they stopped pending trillions to fight war for foreign countries and the banker cartel...  the government could easily afford to repair infrastructure and educate kids...  but, that is not what a fascist system does.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:51 | 4097729 duo
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they make us buy fuel efficient cars, then complain because there isn't enough gasoline tax revenue.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:20 | 4097900 Lost My Shorts
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Even dummer, they give tax credits for buying alternative vehicles, and then try to claw it back with taxes on driving.

Either we want to subsidize alternative vehicles or we don't.  If we don't, they should pay a surtax at purchase, or special registration fees to contribute road funds, and forget the big-brother tracking.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:27 | 4097932 knukles
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In CA they're saying that gas tax revenue is down because of all the electric cars.

I've seen more UFOs than electric cars.

Try that folks is driving less because of a sucko economy.
So let's tax 'em some more
And of course in the history of man (In CA) there never has been a tax pledged to a specific purpose not simply thrown into the general fund and spent on the FSA.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 17:00 | 4098983 Golden Showers
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Look what you made me do; buy a fuel efficeint car. Omg, I'm crying for you, toolshed. Your're a real geinius. I'm so mad because people won't vote to see me murdered. But peons will uptick you becauese you are a "look what they made me do spineless piece of shit" God bless us every one.

Edit: Ought to be under "we buy fuel efficent cars then they make us..." Yawn. Go home.

BTW, for all of you that don't care, i'm offering my soul for sale on ebay and I'm going to kill myself. Thanks for playing. Fuck all. L8tr.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:51 | 4097730 RockyR
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i already fork over almost 50% of my earnings for state, local, federal and fica to pay for obligations the government has already made. why can't they figure out how to make do on that?

this has become a country of morons.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:25 | 4098171 Anusocracy
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Build a successful country and the hunter-gatherers will come.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 17:03 | 4099015 Golden Showers
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How about printing money with your name on it, dick-hole. then people who give to caesar will really give it back to caesar. God, what a bunch of fucking idiots!

Here's a thought. If it were your money, it would have your fucking name on it, wouldn't it. Now what the fuck are you going to do about it?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 17:19 | 4099049 Golden Showers
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Full disclosure, not that anyone gives a shit, is that I look at the number of up-ticks on these assholes' stupid, thoughtless posts and realize the mutual masturbation here has reached college fraternity proportions and that now, I must, with all respect, exit and exit only. K. I've witnessed so many total assholes post up in this, ahem, Milieu, that I can hardly stop myself from throwing up. I wish to keep with the pledge to beat the shit out of every single poster. But now, I invite all of you to watch a bunch of fags called "I, Claludius" on the BBC and eat each other.

God save the queen.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:53 | 4097732 hedgeless_horseman
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...many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car

 OnStar, toll tags, and Smart Phones already can do this.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:11 | 4097852 Overfed
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I have none of those things, and will never have them.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:30 | 4097919 hedgeless_horseman
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You are still being tracked.

The spread of cheap, powerful cameras capable of reading license plates has allowed police to build databases on the movements of millions of Americans over months or even years, according to an American Civil Liberties Union report released Wednesday.
The license-plate readers, which authorities typically mount along major roadways or on the backs of cruisers and government vehicles, can identify cars almost instantly and compare them against “hot lists” of vehicles that have been stolen or involved in crimes.
But the systems collect records on every license plate they encounter — whether or not they are on hot lists — meaning that time and location data are gathered in databases that can be searched by police. Some departments purge information after a few weeks, some after a few months and some never, said the report, which warns that such data could be abused by authorities and chill freedom of speech and association.

“Using them to develop vast troves of information on where Americans travel is not an appropriate use,” said Catherine Crump, a staff lawyer at the ACLU and one of the authors of the report, “You Are Being Tracked: How License Plate Readers Are Being Used to Record Americans’ Movements.”

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:31 | 4097951 monad
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Also its illegal to put a lens over your license plate to defeat the surveillance. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:37 | 4097972 hedgeless_horseman
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Yet it is totally legal for politicians to receive millions of dollars in bribes as long as they call them campaign contributions.

Bribery is an act of giving money or gift giving that alters the behavior of the recipient. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.

Fascism...we are soaking in it.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:40 | 4098249 Ying-Yang
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You can spray a clear paint on your plates...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:13 | 4099805 PT
PT's picture

Just remove everyone else's number plates.  You "don't get into trouble" and everyone else gets to be angry about being assumed guilty when they are innocent.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:15 | 4099809 PT
PT's picture

Pay little kids to steal everyone's number plates!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:32 | 4098199 Kirk2NCC1701
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But plates DO get dirty from off-road usage, and you're on your way to the car wash.  Right?  ;-)  ;-)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:48 | 4098280 Anusocracy
Anusocracy's picture

Time to start selling cans of spray on dirt.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:53 | 4098293 Jumbotron
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You and your children and grand-children were and are now being born into Prison Planet.

The Founding Fathers had a solution.  And it came before the Constitution.....but was enshrined in the Second Amendment.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:12 | 4098115 insanelysane
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Cops can call OnStar and have your car turned off if they are chasing you.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:51 | 4097734 kralizec
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I would set my vehicles on fire and get a horse before I accept this oppression!!!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:35 | 4097967 krispkritter
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They'll make you get a plate for that too...your's can be 'MISTER ED'.

If I'm not mistaken, even the Amish have to register their buggies...this place is going to shit.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:55 | 4098056 Ralph Spoilsport
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The Amish don't have to register buggies in Pennsylvania. Don't know about Ohio or the other states with large Amish populations.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:15 | 4098584 krispkritter
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I used to live in Lancaster and I think you're right but I did remember seeing them somewhere:  Wonder if the horse IS required to have it's own registration...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 17:17 | 4099044 Ralph Spoilsport
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It wouldn't surprise either one of us if some states register horses but again I don't know. Buggy horses in PA are usually Morgans with no particular pedigree other than being bred for being calm in traffic and in the traces. If one dies pulling a buggy, they send word to bring another horse. Then they contact the "Protein Man" to come get the carcass for the rendering plant. No law enforcement types get involved as far as cancelling registration that I know of.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:18 | 4099818 PT
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What's with the indicator lights?  I thought the Amish didn't use electricity.  Or are those things gas powered?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:51 | 4097738 One And Only
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But once again... If the government can FORCE you to buy health insurance they can force you to buy anything including this fucking tracking device. Fucking fascism.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:54 | 4097758 Global Hunter
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They'll get the IRS to go after any individual or family that doesn't comply and join in their idiocy.  Small point, disagree about the fascism, its worse than that its a combination of fascism and bolshevism.  Humanity gets a twofer imposed by force.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:52 | 4097741 Ying-Yang
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NSA Auto Insurance

"We know about your auto accident before it happens!"

Keith Alexander says "Your balls are in good hands with NSA Auto Insurance."

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:15 | 4098127 Meat Hammer
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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:53 | 4097745 Ghordius
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the state? what about insurance companies that are going to give you all those rebates if you install a black box in your car that monitors how safely you drive? just lately I've seen one offering 4 taxi drives home for free so that the care owner does not drive home drunk

is Mike Krieger somehow blind on that side?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:58 | 4097773 Non Passaran
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Fuck the rebates, fuck the insurance companies and fuck Big Government.

I am not volontarily installing anything.

And fuck you, Bernanke!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:02 | 4097802 Ghordius
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I was just adding that I forgot: it's not about consequences, only about the narrative. welcome to truthinews

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:43 | 4098002 4 wheel drift
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you fogot reid, pellosi, obama, dod & frank....

and for that matter.... all damned collectivists, and their aiding cousins, i.e. rino's



Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:01 | 4097792 saltedGold
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My insurance company sent me a letter a few weeks ago with that offer!  "Let us track your driving and you can save on your insurance!"  No thanks...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:13 | 4097864 GeezerGeek
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Next up, a  device that fits in your throat. "Let us track your eating habits and you can save on your health insurance." Shades of Mayor Bloomfart.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:10 | 4097849 stacking12321
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no, the blindness is on your side.

you are free to do business with insurance companies, or not.

there is no such choice when it comes to the violence of the state.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:41 | 4097966 Ghordius
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are you free to drive a car without insurance? and does your "violent" (your words, not mine) state make sure that they don't form a cartel on that?

because if the all switch to black box insurances or if they make non-bb insurances utterly prohibitive in cost, the consequences are the same

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