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Big Brother Is Coming To Your Car

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This is a topic that has been on my radar screen for a while, but one that very few Americans seem to be paying attention to despite the egregious revelations concerning NSA spying that have emerged recently. I first flagged this issue in late 2012 in an article titled: Coming to Your Car: Mandatory Black Boxes That Record Everything.

The latest push for tracking devices in cars is being sold as necessary in order to raise funds to pay for the nation’s decayed highway infrastructure. For example:

As America’s road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

This is simply idiotic. There is already a tax per gallon on gasoline, so people are already being taxed based on how much they drive. Only a control-freak, moronic government bureaucrat would come to the conclusion that the solution to this problem is to install Orwellian tracking devices in people’s cars.

More from the LA Times:

WASHINGTON — As America’s road planners struggle to find the cash to mend a crumbling highway system, many are beginning to see a solution in a little black box that fits neatly by the dashboard of your car.

 

The devices, which track every mile a motorist drives and transmit that information to bureaucrats, are at the center of a controversial attempt in Washington and state planning offices to overhaul the outdated system for funding America’s major roads.

Are people really so dumb they will agree to this? Probably.

And while Congress can’t agree on whether to proceed, several states are not waiting. They are exploring how, over the next decade, they can move to a system in which drivers pay per mile of road they roll over. Thousands of motorists have already taken the black boxes, some of which have GPS monitoring, for a test drive.

 

This really is a must for our nation. It is not a matter of something we might choose to do,” said Hasan Ikhrata, executive director of the Southern California Assn. of Governments, which is planning for the state to start tracking miles driven by every California motorist by 2025. “There is going to be a change in how we pay these taxes. The technology is there to do it.”

 

The push comes as the country’s Highway Trust Fund, financed with taxes Americans pay at the gas pump, is broke. Americans don’t buy as much gas as they used to. Cars get many more miles to the gallon. The federal tax itself, 18.4 cents per gallon, hasn’t gone up in 20 years. Politicians are loath to raise the tax even one penny when gas prices are high.

Loath to raise the tax, so let’s put a tracking device in every car instead. I don’t even know where to begin…

As the trial got underway, the ACLU of Nevada warned on its website: “It would be fairly easy to turn these devices into full-fledged tracking devices…. There is no need to build an enormous, unwieldy technological infrastructure that will inevitably be expanded to keep records of individuals’ everyday comings and goings.”

But it’s for the highways people. You like highways don’t you? I’m sure it’ll piss off the terrorists too.

What a sad state of affairs.

Full article here.

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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:49 | 4097719 One And Only
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More and more I'm beginning to feel like Anne Frank. How does one hide from this modern day gestapo?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:53 | 4097736 Stackers
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Tracking devices are already installed in most late model cars.

 

Go thumb through you operators book for your car and you will find a large bold lettered disclaimer about the "vehicle data recorder" that may or may not be accessed by law enforcement or other government agencies.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:59 | 4097778 superflex
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Not in my car.

But i'm not a sheep who needs a new car every 4 years.

Bullish on pre-2010 models.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:04 | 4097810 hedgeless_horseman
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Got W123 Diesel?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:06 | 4097825 glenlloyd
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I have a W140 diesel...same situation basically. I also have a VW Fox converted to diesel.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:25 | 4097925 zaphod
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On the upside, there will emerge a large underground market for hacking / disabling these things, and given how good the government is at designing stuff we all know they'll be rock solid. 

We will then get to watch the government will try to stop all the free "how to" manuals people post online. Will need popcorn

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:28 | 4097939 Gen. Keith Alexander
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We don't really need a device on your car to track you.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:36 | 4097980 Dr. No
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I junked you Gen. Alexander.  As a rule, I junk oath breakers, viloators of the constitution, and overall despicable human beings.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:43 | 4097992 Enslavethechild...
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Whatever you do, don't buy a new car.

JUST SAY NO
To the NSA and all the Corporations that benefit from their enslavement policies.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:46 | 4098016 SRSrocco
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SECRET SERVICE GETS INOLVED WITH CHINESE GOLD & SILVER COUNTERFEITS

Even though the US Govt is becoming a larger force as BIG BROTHER, the Secret Service is now involved in the Counterfeiting of Gold & Silver Eagles as it is a Federal Offense to produce fake Legal Tender Coins.

This is must see video as it also shows how to tell the difference between real and fake Gold & Silver Eagles.

 

 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:49 | 4098029 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Hey look!! Why is that ZHer driving his car down the middle of the river?!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:34 | 4098173 TuesdayBen
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That 'moronic Gubmint bureaucrat' is simply endeavoring to please his masters, control-freak statist ideologues of Axelrod/Obama ilk, who are the true evil. 'climate change', Gubmint in healthcare and host of other Gubmint lunacy is driven by these same evil freaks concentrated in politics, media, academia.

They lust to dominate you.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:35 | 4098216 Joe Davola
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Cash for clunkers - more proof the gov never gives $$'s without strings

Wonder what they'll offer to get your manda-volun-tary chip implant

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:44 | 4098271 macholatte
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$17T in debt but no money for bridges & highways as promised.

Remember that "shovel ready" propaganda?

 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:01 | 4098541 NoDebt
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Hi, this is OnStar, here's how I'm going to help you today, whether you like it or not.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:06 | 4098560 bobola
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I ride a pannier packed bicycle everywhere.

1996 truck sits in the garage and hopes to get driven on the weekends, if its lucky..........

There's your solution....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 16:39 | 4098915 eatapeach
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What about cellphone?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:33 | 4100061 PT
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It's a bit difficult to pack two step ladders, a couple of dozen conduits, two tool boxes plus various power tools and parts onto a bicycle and then ride it 80 kms to and from work each day.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:27 | 4098178 dick cheneys ghost
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might as well start sending STOOL samples to Ft Meade or Utah.........Monsanto wants to make sure ur eating GMO foods......

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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:54 | 4098048 johnQpublic
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pre 1980 vw diesel golf(aka rabbit), gets over 70 mpg

and, bonus, no tracking computers and will run on used fryer oil with almost no mods

though what i'm looking for is a pre 1974 p/u truck w/o a cat converter and no computer of any sort, registerable as an antique with lower insurance and registration costs

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:44 | 4098274 yofish
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They are impossible to come by here in AK and when they do become available they are beat and too expesive. I've got a 02 Saturn that gets 40 mpg on the road and has a heater that will run you out. I do want a rabbit, though.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 17:14 | 4099037 glenlloyd
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No computer also means no death to your vehicle from pulse tech.

If a person could find a manual IP solenoid it wouldn't even need a battery to run.....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:22 | 4100020 Ident 7777 economy
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-1; Overblown as to effets.

 

 

A pulse that stout will short-circuit your brain, too.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:42 | 4098250 Save_America1st
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Steve...it says the link doesn't work.  Can you re-post?

thanks!

 

Edit:  never mind...you have it at your site.  The link above goes to a zerohedge page...here's the link to Steve's site:

http://srsroccoreport.com/must-watch-how-to-test-real-gold-silver-eagles-from-fakes/must-watch-how-to-test-real-gold-silver-eagles-from-fakes/

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:07 | 4098098 Kirk2NCC1701
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I neither agree nor disagree, since I cannot claim to know enough first-hand about him as a general or as a man.

But I have to wonder about the man, if perhaps his conscience got the better of him, and if this was the real reason that Obummer's fascists/blackshirts shit-canned him. Ditto for a number of other Generals who fell under the 'Immorality' ax.

I guess we'll have to wait for the Memoirs to come out, which may quite likely be a mix of truth and revisionist history.  "He who writes first, writes best"?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:34 | 4098212 Dr. No
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He did lie under oath.  Not sure how to spin that in a memoir.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:40 | 4098245 boogerbently
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Why is it, between Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Snowden, the NSA, as well as our “diligent” main stream media, we STILL haven't got the details of the BILLION$$$ of pork wrapped into obamacare?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:30 | 4097943 redpill
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How is this not a direct violation of the 4th amendment?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:32 | 4097958 Dr. No
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Driving is a "Privledge".  You know, so they can have "random stops", cameras, and RFID scanners.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:00 | 4098077 MachoMan
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Bingo, and when you sign up for your DL, you consent to the snooping/rules of the road.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:46 | 4098278 macholatte
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How is this not a direct violation of the 4th amendment?

 

He who has the guns creates & enforces the laws.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:11 | 4098353 MachoMan
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Same way that if you refuse to consent to a breathalyzer/blood test from the police after a traffic stop, that they can charge you with a crime for your refusal (sometimes worse than if you had actually consented and blown above the legal limit).

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:24 | 4098393 DFCtomm
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That's what Americans just don't seem to understand. Read the constitution of the USSR or any other two bit dictatorship. They all sound good, but it's just pretty words on expensive paper. The people must demand that the government obey their own laws. The people are the secret ingredient. You cannot have a just nation if you do not have a just people.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:28 | 4098183 jsgibson
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Beginning to think the Amish are on to something...  dealing with real horse-$#@! is preferable to what these bureaucrats dream up.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:22 | 4098160 29.5 hours
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That's what we get for the crime of driving more fuel efficient vehicles and causing declining gas tax revenues. Now we deserve to be *also* charged for each one of those fuel efficient miles.

 

 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:28 | 4098416 DFCtomm
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It has nothing to do with that. It's just their excuse. I like how it's so important that we only charge people proportionally to the actual miles they drive. It's sooo important that the government be fair and only charge people for what they use, and that's why we need to track your every move. It's so that we can be fair. They aren't worried about being fair when they tax childless people to pay for public schools are they? The government wants this, and it intends to have it. It's only fair.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:49 | 4098489 rubiconsolutions
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"How is this not a direct violation of the 4th amendment?"

Because of the word "unreasonable", that's how they can get away with it. It's the same reason that TSA rapes aren't a violation of the 4th amendment. And precisely why I believe the constitution is an increasingly feckless document. A word count of the constitution will show that 95% of the words in it are devoted to what the government can, shall and must do. A mere 5% are devoted to the rights of the individual and those are conditional. That means that 95% of the power rests in the hands of government. Take a look at Article I, Section 8 specifically and tell me if there is any real restraints on government. As an example, between the 16th amendment and Article I, Section 8 government can tax you at a rate of 98% and there's not a thing that can be done because that would be "constitutional".

I'm with Lysander Spooner on the constitution - "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.” - Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:58 | 4098517 DFCtomm
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One problem with our system is that it has many laws governing the actual government that have no penalty, no "or". Take the law that requires an annual budget to be passed. There is no penalty. If they don't pass a budget nothing happens. There is no pass a budget or the entirety of Congress is placed under house arrest until they do.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 19:34 | 4099470 mandrak0s
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+1 for the Spooner reference. I loved his work on Trail By Jury. Jury nullification anyone?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:32 | 4097959 Fish Gone Bad
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there will emerge a large underground market for hacking / disabling these things

I don't know about that.  When you get a smog check the computer checks to see if the error codes were recently cleared, so I am thinking they can just as well check to see if the tracking is operable.

That said, I have some old vw's that apparently are still running.  The cars have something like 300 parts to the whole vehicle.  They are loud, and pre smog.  Gotta love old technology.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:07 | 4097969 CunnyFunt
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Pre-OBDII vehicles are the way to go. It's too bad that so many of them were dispatched via "Cash for Clunkers." I'm convinced that a purpose of that program was to diminish the pool of exempt vehicles and used parts.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:47 | 4098017 SWCroaker
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Find key part.  Take out.  Hook up alligator clips, 24v 20A powersupply.   Wait for smoke and funny smell, remove clips.  Wait to cool.  Reinstall.  Not my problem if cheap foreign made components keep melting selves down.

 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:20 | 4098153 Dr. No
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It will be like the "lost parking garage ticket" situation.  You get the discount if you present the data, otherwise you pay the full tax..er fine.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:36 | 4098662 Real Estate Geek
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Like the event data recorder, this will be integrated with the computer that deploys the air bags. The bureaucrats are evil, not stupid.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:26 | 4100027 Ident 7777 economy
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SWCroaker:

" Find key part.  Take out.  Hook up alligator clips, 24v 20A powersupply.   Wait for smoke and funny smell,  "

 

 

Yeah. Real brilliant. When you find that takes out the CPU controlling your ignition timing too ..

 

 

Smart. Real smart. And out 300 plus bucks easy  ...

 

 

 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:14 | 4098120 MachoMan
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There are a lot of uses for the devices and they're already installed in every vehicle:

1.  Crash reconstruction.  The box keeps a log of actions like brake use, cell phone use, stereo use, etc.  Once you're scraped off the pavement, the lawyers will be duking it out over the contents of your black box...  You might also be posthumously awarded a ticket!  Winning!  [it's also to limit the manufacturer's liability in that it logs all the lights (allegedly) that go off on your dash...  so, if you have an airbag warning light and the airbag doesn't deploy in your wreck, then good luck collecting against the manufacturer for a faulty airbag; same for tire pressure, etc.].

2.  Mileage deduction.  If you want to take the standard mileage deduction, then there's no better proof than a log from a gps tracking device...  In fact, I could see them requiring this for all drivers who want to take the deduction.

3.  Reduced insurance.  Most of the insurance companies want to know your driving habits, so if you can prove that you're not a crazy assed driver, then you'll get cheaper rates.

Seems like to me though, there is a happy medium between protecting my right to privacy of this information and the state's eavesdropping...  how about making folks get a warrant/subpoena? 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:19 | 4098134 Dr. No
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I believe (Progressive? or is it e-surance?) requires a plug in device for auto insurance when you buy the "low miles, good driver" policy.  A friend indicated he gets docked points for "hard stops" and has to alternate cars to keep the milage under the quota.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:36 | 4098221 tbone654
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So you have your government vehicle that you drive your family to church in... and your home-made motorized schwin that you go to the casino in...

Or is it the other way around?  ya! probably don't want to be seen near a church...  casino ok tho...

ack!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:45 | 4100094 PT
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Oh yes, the good ol' "we'll give you cheap insurance, as long as you don't drive your car" ...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:33 | 4098202 superflex
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I junked you for the misinfomation that that crap is installed in every vehicle.

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