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False Alarm: Obama Will Continue Spying On "Allies" After All

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In a dramatic change of events that is a) sure to not win the administration any goodwill point with the citizens of the free, or enslaved, world or their insolvent leaders so desperately reliant on the US for day to day funding, and b) will confirm the state of complete policy chaos that is at the core of the Obama administration's handling of the ObamaPhone spygate (where for some reason the fact that the US spied on foreigners, as it should, has taken far more precedence over the NSA intercepting and recording each and every domestic communication, with neither checks nor balances), the earlier reported news originating from the Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee Dianne Feinstein, who said that "the White House has informed me that collection on our allies will not continue, which I support" was a fabrication.

Instead, as The Hill reported shortly thereafter,  "A senior administration official on Monday rejected Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Diane Feinstein's claim that the U.S. has halted intelligence collection against its allies. In a statement released earlier Monday, the California Democrat said that the White House "has informed me that collection on our allies will not continue."  But the administration official called that statement "not accurate." In other words, the situation surrounding Obama's global Watergate hotel, has devolved to a state where the executive and the Chair of the Legislative's intelligence committee are not even able to communicate in order to get their story straight about lying what the US will and won't do in the future. Because, needless to say, any promise that the US won't do what it obviously will continue doing as there is absolutely no downside to doing so, is merely the latest lie in long and illustrious chain of seasonally adjusted truths.

From The Hill:

"While we have made some individual changes, which I cannot detail, we have not made across the board changes in policy like, for example, terminating intelligence collection that might be aimed at all allies," the administration official said.

And then the confusion and backtracking began:

After the administration’s statement, a spokesman for Feinstein clarified that the senator intended to say that the U.S. was ceasing "collection on foreign allied leaders.”


Feinstein also said that it was her understanding President Obama "was not aware" the U.S. had been monitoring the cellphone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that Obama first learned of the program, which apparently began in 2002, during an internal audit of intelligence practices this summer.

Why do we know Obama is "not" lying? Because he had no comment.

In an interview Monday afternoon with Fusion, the president refused to comment when asked about when he became aware of the surveillance.

What we do know, is that Obama no longer has a direct feed to Merkel's cell phone. Whatever that means:

The administration has announced at least one determination, however. White House press secretary Jay Carney said last week that Obama assured Merkel in a private phone conversation that the administration was not currently monitoring her cell phone, nor would they do so in the future.

All the BS aside, in retrospect if indeed the NSA, being a government agency, does its job with the "efficiency" with which the government makes up lies on the fly, then there is absolutely nothing to worry about. For either the allies of the US, as long as that special status continues, or the billions of electronic communications intercepted among US citizens each day.


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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:47 | 4100099 cougar_w
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Total clusterfuck. Merkel should now fly to Washington, meet with Obama, and right off kick him in the nuts.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:50 | 4100105 markmotive
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When it's Merkel it's an outrage. When it's the average Joe Sixpack nobody gives a sh!t

F@cking wiretap double-standards:

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:54 | 4100126 IllusionOfChoice
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You and the article introduction are making the proper point here. It matters more than the NSA is listening to American's phone calls than to foreign leaders' phone calls. The NSA was created to spy on all foreign 'signals'. It was not created to spy on Americans and it's an outrage that the military industrial complex is targeting Americans and covering it up.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's horrible for America's image that we are getting caught doing it, and I wouldn't even necessarily say we should be doing it, but at least that is the NSA doing the job it was made to do, not usher in 1984.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:16 | 4100176 NoDebt
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You are exhibiting disturbing signs of rationality and free thinking.  This is no good.  People like you make everyone scared and nervous.  Up arrow.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:28 | 4100207 john39
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Not only is the NSA spying on Americans, but the NSA is also transferring the raw data to certain little fascist racist shithole located in the ME. How is that not treason?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:34 | 4100226 knukles
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Talk about an empty legacy to be displayed in an empty presidential library containing only an empty suit.

Nothing has worked for the better
Naught, zip, zilch, nada, nyet, zero, fin...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:21 | 4100324 Theta_Burn
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You wonder how they can be so stupid, and then wonder why they are being so stupid.

3 mths its negotiation time...again. we have {0} management, no ones at the helm, its a dead stick.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:38 | 4100366 Ahmeexnal
Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:12 | 4100407 lostintheflood
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cheney is a dick and he should shut up...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:18 | 4100691 negative rates
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We are not spying on you, we are spying with you, see, now all's good.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 02:15 | 4100460 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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I'm conflicted. I can't decide whether to call him Obomba, Owebama, or just B.O.

I need some way to refer to "it" in polite company. I'm sure ZH readers can suggest a few less-kind names.

Maybe I'll just give him my own coveted Worst_Preident_Ever Award. Now THAT is a serious achievement. I thought we'd hit bottom before but this is getting ridiculous.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:03 | 4100491 zhandax
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Remember, we expect exceptional in the good ol USSA.  He is an exceptional world-class fuckup.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:18 | 4100690 Husk-Erzulie
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I make it a point never to yell on the internet.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:41 | 4100885 StychoKiller
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I calls him Obamatron, with a supporting cast of Decepticrats and Republicons!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:43 | 4101054 Race Car Driver
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> Talk about an empty legacy to be displayed in an empty presidential library containing only an empty suit.


Well ... there's always the offical biography.

Oh, wait ...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:36 | 4100229 logicalman
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In no way is it NOT treason.

Trouble is, the law is not applied evenly.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:06 | 4100493 zhandax
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As in 'not applied at all to the oligarchs'?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:18 | 4100577 Boeing Boy
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Obama has placed five of his most trusted buddies at the top of the DoJ, he ain't that stupid.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:45 | 4100733 beefman
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ya kidding me right? How old are you? Please google the sixties the civil rights movement.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:22 | 4100637 Notarocketscientist
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And to Israel

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:27 | 4100641 Truthseeker2
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The epidemic of SPYING is because of this:

The BIGGEST Coverup in USA History


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:11 | 4100677 daemon
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" ... the NSA is also transferring the raw data to certain little fascist racist shithole located in the ME. How is that not treason? "

You mean ME is not US territory ?


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:27 | 4100846 max2205
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I am confused now...are we pricks or not?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:55 | 4101846 Crash Overide
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Could I free think and say all this spying could be about finding certain aliens among us?  lol

...or it could be simple power and greed like it seems.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:14 | 4100178 macholatte
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Celebrity Death Match - Barry vs Angela


it's an outrage that the military industrial complex is targeting Americans and covering it up.

Here's the deal....... get caught spying on one (1) foreign leader who "matters" and there's a shitstorm.  Spy on 300M sheeple and there's a yawn.  Easy choice.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:46 | 4100376 Ahmeexnal
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Merdekel is only foaming over this to get her fanbois back in line since she has completely lost any legitimacy in the teutonic empire. Just days after she had promised to not raise taxes, she reneged on her promise (after winning the elections). The sheeple in the teutonic empire are restless and urgently need someone´s head to roll. Merdekel will be offered to the masses in a melamine platter.

After all, Merdekel has plunged the teutonic empire into a death spiral, with thousands of sheeple joining the ranks of destitutes:

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:07 | 4100399 Rusty Shorts
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In -n -Out


Yeah, I been in debt from conception
I pay for the rest of your life
As long as I remember, bills have looked me in the eye

You can have it now but ya gotta pay for it later. Oh!
Work me out, the payment's cleared
Now you're workin' for the man. Yeah

They gotcha goin' in. They gotcha comin' out
Same amount, woo! In 'n out

Ain't no way 'round the system
Money make this world go round
All the way, they got you down

Stay and add it up or throw yourself out a window. Oh!
Might cost you less to stick around
One more payment. Lay it down, on the ground

Well, they gotcha comin' in, they gotcha goin' out
Same amount, woo! In 'n out

Hey, all depends how ya see it
It's a burn, or an opportunity
One thing for certain, ya get nothin' free

I never met a man doesn't owe somebody somethin'. No
No way to get free 'n clear
Only deeper year after year
Oh, yeah

When they gotcha comin' in, when they gotcha goin' out
Gotcha comin' in for the same amount, goin' out!

Uh uh uhuh yeah. In n' out
Uh uh uhuh yeah. In n' out
Uh uh uhuh yeah. In n' out
Uh uh uhuh yeah. In n' out

Well, they gotcha goin' in, they gotcha comin' out in n' out

Oh Gotcha comin' in for the same amount, goin' out
In n' out

They gotcha comin' in, they gotcha goin' out
Same amount
Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:53 | 4100681 daemon
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"The NSA was created to spy on all foreign 'signals'. It was not created to spy on Americans ..."


When a country morphs into a "dictatorship", every signal becomes a foreign signal .

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:39 | 4100879 Anonymous peon
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The NSA exists to protect the government. You are either part of the government or you are not. It does not make distinctions based on things like nationality or location, everyone outside of (our) governmnet is seen as a threat. Uncle Sam is arming militant islamists everywhere while trying to disarm me, who does he see as the bigger threat?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:59 | 4100942 daemon
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"It does not make distinctions based on things like nationality or location, everyone outside of (our) governmnet is seen as a threat."

Yes .


Uncle Sam is arming militant islamists everywhere while trying to disarm me, who does he see as the bigger threat? "

Good question .


That why, in these circumstances, they very naturally end up writing,  "paranoically", the following equation :

privacy = terrorism .

Don't expect the drones to land so soon .

Be careful .

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:08 | 4100788 AnAnonymous
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Here's the directive at the origin of the NSA.

Unsurprisingly, it tells a different story from that 'american''s propaganda.

National Security Council Intelligence Directive No. 6
Washington, December 12, 1947.

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 102 of the National Security Act of 1947, and for the purposes enunciated in paragraphs (d) and (e) thereof, the National Security Council hereby authorizes and directs that:

The Director of Central Intelligence shall conduct all Federal monitoring of foreign propaganda and press broadcasts required for the collection of intelligence information to meet the needs of all Departments and Agencies in connection with the National Security.

The Director of Central Intelligence shall disseminate such intelligence information to the various Departments and Agencies which have an authorized interest therein.

Unfortunately for 'americans', as it was aimed to monitor propaganda, it was only a matter of short time before it started spying on 'american' proapagandists.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 17:05 | 4102791 akak
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Your Chinese Citizenism attempt to monolize and blob-up the progrational means is certainly this and also that, very much something and even more than it is, but still made me laugh.

Alas, alas .... oh, you know the rest.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 21:14 | 4103402 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Unsurprisingly, this AnAnonymetic proapal progator tells never a different story from that Chinese citizenism propaganda.

As a sidenote, it also shows the lack of self limitation typical to Chinese citizenism citizens. As they have boundary issues, they always try to repell any constrainst they face (nihilism).

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:34 | 4100223 logicalman
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Said almost the same thing in a previous thread.

This is all theatre to distract Joe Sixpack, so he won't bw as pissed off as he should be "because it's happenning to 'them' to"

Bullshit, Nearly all world 'leaders' are in it together.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:07 | 4100304 anti-republocrat
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It's quite likely Merkel already KNEW she was being spied on, but when it becomes public she is obligated for internal political reasons to protest.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:57 | 4100437 williambanzai7
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Yes, Merkel's vote is obviously what counts in Vichy DC, as history says it should.

We should let her appoint Dr Strange Schaeuble as our next POTUS.

If this were an elaborate Ken Kesey novel, we would all be laughing our asses off. Unfortunately...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:56 | 4100665 Winston Churchill
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Ever read Lawrence Sanders;The Anderson Tapes.

That will make you laugh and cry at once.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 02:35 | 4100473 Starkiller
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There is a reason for the double standard:


If you spy other nations, is a cause of war; if you spy your own cityzens is a cause for revolt.


But neither you revolt, nor we are trying to make a war to "bring you the democracy". Nothing happens anyway... so maybe there sin't a double standard, only street teathre.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:50 | 4100107 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ cougar_w

Probably would not hurt him much though...  ;)

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:43 | 4100607 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Merkel would need pointy-toed shoes and exceptionally good aim, as the NOPOTUS (a.k.a. presidential grapes) make for a tiny target.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:53 | 4100122 icanhasbailout
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She should bring an official gift from the government of Germany: an authentic Stasi secret police outfit tailored precisely to Obama's measurements.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:05 | 4100152 Zero Point
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Keith Alexander's nice, black Gestapo outfit will do nicely thanks.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 02:39 | 4100476 Real Estate Geek
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I thought it was Star Fleet.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:11 | 4100170 NoDebt
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She should bring an official gift in the form of a letter that says:  "We want our gold NOW, asshole.  Not over 10 years.  We don't believe you're good for it now, let alone a decade from now.  Fork it over."

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:46 | 4100377 TheMerryPrankster
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THEN she should kick fearless leader in the nuts.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:56 | 4100389 Ahmeexnal
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It isn´t germany´s gold to start with. They pludered that gold from the rest of the continent (and north Africa too). Time for germany to give the gold back to it´s real owners!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:30 | 4100420 Sandmann
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We shouldn't ask about US gold and how that was extracted from the UK

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:39 | 4100509 zhandax
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What US gold?  The contents of Ft Knox which was stolen from its rightful owners (the people of the US in 1933) or that held in custody in FRBNY (which was stolen from various foreign governments).  Gold lease much?  There is nothing but a pile of IOUs there.  All the physical is back in China, plus 75 years of interest in physical, from whom the gubmint originally accepted for custody seven battleships worth of gold  in 1938 in exchange for a pile of worthless bonds that the fed defaulted on in 1998.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:28 | 4100579 Tall Tom
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Well if the UK would not have run up those Trade Deficits then there would not have been a Balance of Accounts to be paid to the the 1920s and 1930s. guys want to go to war with Germany when you don't have any weapons??? Those weapons (Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts) in the Lend-Lease Deal cost money. We did not give them to you for free to have German U-Boats send them to the bottom.


Why in the hell did you declare fucking War with Germany in the first place? For Poland??? Who the fuck cares about Poland??? 


You ought to have kicked back and let Hitler and Stalin duke it out. Then you sell your weapons to the losing side (whoever is losing at the moment) to extend the conflict and make both Nations Economic Basketcases and weak? Then they are not a threat. Didn't the Rothschilds teach you anything?


But no...You guys have to prove that you have bigger balls than Stalin or Hitler? Then you drag us into your clusterfuck because your Crocodile Mouth bit off more than your Canary Asshole could shit???


It was your damned Empire Building in the first place. We inherited it from you. I do not even want to hear how you tried to bolster the US Dollar back in the 1960s with your London Gold Bank Scheme.


Shit. I do not want to hear it. Bloody fucking Limeys.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:49 | 4101068 SAT 800
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The English always play fair and square according to the rules of Cricket; if you don't believe it, ask any Scot.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:09 | 4100533 Tall Tom
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We had trade with Western Germany after World War II. Western Gremany accumulated the Gold because of Balance of Accounts Deficits that the United States ACCRUED with Western Germany Post World War II and during the Bretton Woods Agreement.


Western Germany took DELIVERY of the Gold BEFORE we declared that the US Dollar was no longer redeemable for Gold. Western Germany believed it to be prudent to store their Gold HERE because of the threat of Soviet Union Invasion. We agreed to store their Gold in case that the Cold War turned into a Hot War.


NONE of the Gold that the USA owes Germany was "plundered from Europe and North Africa". NOT ONE SINGLE OUNCE.


ALL OF IT originated from the American Public after FDR seized it from the US Citizens. That is why we had a large supply with which we settled our Balance of Accounts...Trade begin with.


The American Public used the products and services from Western Germany. So it is moral and just that the American Public PAYS for that which we use. Other than that it is STEALING. You are not a theif, right?


That is their Gold. It belongs to them. World War II German Gold ended up in Swiss Vaults. Germany was precluded from getting much, IF ANY, of it at all after the fall of Hitler.


You may want to study a little HISTORY before posting.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:54 | 4100127 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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We the people should get first swing with zeros own clubs...  and then jam the shaft where the sun don't shine

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:09 | 4100310 Flagit
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Barrow, Alaska?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:47 | 4100432 Bugsquasher
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Reggie will be jeleous!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:56 | 4100134 zorba THE GREEK
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The Obama Administration Probably spies on itself. Michelle better

watch what she says on her cell phone. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:23 | 4100196 Jethro
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She'd have more success kicking Michelle in the nuts.  

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:46 | 4100257 ShrNfr
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Michelle cut them off.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:22 | 4100334 Theta_Burn
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And not only that

Demand their gold back...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 02:54 | 4100483 williambanzai7
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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:42 | 4100726 beefman
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Angry racists WHAT ABOUT THE PATRIOT ACT? YOU GUYS ON THIS BOARD ARE THE TRUE SHEEP. Its the Govt stupid! Obama was not the President when the PAtriot Act was designed and pushed on the American people. Oh yeah youu hate it when people talk about Bush WHY? because it forces you to face you own hatred for the man Obama it exposes your true intentions and heart.


I would like everyone who down arrows this to refer me to a youtube video or EXTREME comment they made during the Bush Administration concerning the Patriot Act If not Shut Up before you put Hilary in office. IDIOTS!


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:54 | 4100752 Uncle Remus
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[discrete horizontal sweeping of the right hand, index and middle finger loosly straightened] This is not the Hope and Change you are looking for.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:58 | 4100761 overmedicatedun...
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beefman, I was banned from several forums for that very thing, bush is dead to me, but somehow obuma the indonesian multi id nwo puppet is better? or do you see it as an r vs d thing? many here on zh understand the club in dc is one unit.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:54 | 4101082 SAT 800
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WhaddaU; the race police? Geddoudahere.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:51 | 4100745 Uncle Remus
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Make it Pay-per-view. We could use the revenue and that'd probably bring bandwidth to a trickle.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:36 | 4100873 kralizec
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You mean "vagina", right Cougar?!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:48 | 4100100 DoChenRollingBearing
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I wonder if the NSA is smart enough to spy on Peru, LOL...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:08 | 4100110 DeadFred
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Have you seen Julian Assange's interview on the subject?

It covers a wide range of topics but Assange claims that the NSA has blackmail info on every significant politician in S. America.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:27 | 4100200 DoChenRollingBearing
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Wow, thanks DeadFred, I had NOT seen that.  At this point not much really does  surprise me...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:56 | 4100754 Uncle Remus
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Only while you're there DoChen.



Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:49 | 4100104 prains
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Oligarchian Empire vs Oligarchian Empire , all you'll be asked to do is be a slave and have your children sacrficed at the alter of fiat

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:57 | 4100755 Uncle Remus
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Cue Evil Empire theme music.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:51 | 4100112 ZH Snob
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c'mon, tyler, this isn't the Onion.


is it?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:00 | 4100142 Carl Popper
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No, but apparently the government is attempting to invoke Farce Majeure.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:26 | 4100203 DrData02
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All of that looks sadly real to me.  The USA has long passed the point of Onionesque humor/satire.  

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:00 | 4100143 lead salad
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Obumbles is like the chimp in the video where said chimp sticks his finger in his butt, smells his finger and then falls out of the tree....except Obumbles just sits in the tree and enjoys the smell of his own shit.....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:08 | 4100160 NoDebt
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That's a pretty obscure reference, but I remember that video.  Zero definitely enjoys the smell of his own feces.  You're aware it doesn't stink, of course.  Up arrow.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:06 | 4100153 notadouche
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But if Merkel only knew what Feinstein knew Merkel would understand how necessary and right the US is in monitoring her phone activities.  The US has prevented an estimated 23 terrorist attacks based on these harmless activities.  Merkel should be thanking the US, not being mad.  What is wrong with her anyway.  I'll bet Feinstein thinks it's because she's Jewish thus making it Merkel's fault the ungreatful bitch.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:30 | 4100211 JohnG
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The implication you give is that Merkel is a terrorist??? OMG!!!

You are a douche.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:58 | 4100760 Uncle Remus
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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:16 | 4100814 Singelguy
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I find it interesting that the admnistration could not provide details on any of those so called 23 terrorist attacks and hid under the cloak of national security. It is all bullshit but you are so gullible to believe everything they say. Stop drinking the koolaid and wake up!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:58 | 4101098 SAT 800
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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:06 | 4100155 aerojet
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The basic situation we face right now is that the NSA is never going to stop spying on us, no matter what they say they are doing or not doing.  This incident will lead to the widespread use of stronger cryptography, if such a thing really is possible.  Our whole faith in what "secure" means has been shaken to its core, and now people are scrambling to make sense of just how vast a betrayal has taken place here.  

The US has truly gone off the rails.  Guantanamo Bay Gulag, drone killings, and mass surveillance.  

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:06 | 4100157 beavertails
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It's an absolute joke with wordplay.

"Yikes, it's Frauline Merkel calling POTUS.  She's bitching that we stop monitoring her cell phone"

"As POTUS, tell her we will stop monitoring her cell phone"

"Keith, as POTUS, I direct you just to monitor the cell phones of who Frauline Merkel is calling"

"Fuckin beautiful POTUS"

"That's what law school teaches you Keith"

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:09 | 4100161 Silver_K-9
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Dear EU and world...

Go Long Carrier Pigeon.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:13 | 4100173 RockyR
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no.  it's:  


Dear EU and the World,


Please save us!



The American Citizenry

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:01 | 4100529 Things that go bump
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They have problems of their own. We will have to save ourselves. And beware of knights in shining armor who try to sweep us off our feet. Under that armor is the reincarnation of a little man with a funny moustache and big plans that do not end well. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:18 | 4100181 Quus Ant
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What's wrong with parking garages at night? 

It's where you go to find a discreet deepthroat.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:09 | 4100162 Joebloinvestor
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This may be the first guy the Noble committee demands their award back from.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:43 | 4100373 TheMerryPrankster
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and the Nobel Comittee won't get their gold back  either...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:01 | 4101112 SAT 800
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Ive kind of had that in the back of my mind for some time now; wouldn't it be great if the Swedes got something right for a change and took back his award? That would get some attention.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:12 | 4100171 RockyR
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shhhhhhh!  the WORLD SERIES is on....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:18 | 4100186 Quus Ant
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Oh shit! It is isn't it?


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:17 | 4100183 SillySalesmanQu...
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I wonder if the Waffle House still has tape recording 24/7, ala Richard Nixon in 1972? It sure would make for interesting listening if we could be a fly on the wall in the Ovaltine Office...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:21 | 4100191 g'kar
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If we base what Obama is doing to this country inside in out on how much Valerie Jarrett's parents hated this country, moved to Iran, and trained their daughter to also hate this country, then it becomes easy to understand what Obama is doing.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:58 | 4100442 Andre
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Maybe. The more intereting question is, why does the Democratic National Committee - the ones who spoke for his nomination and election - want him to do it?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:38 | 4100602 tvdog
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Why did the Republican National Committee lie, cheat, steal, and break their own rules to nominate Romney instead of Ron Paul?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:57 | 4100758 g'kar
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Different ideologies duped into working for the same power? Whoever currently has power and willingly participates in the crimes is the only one I am concerned with not the what if's. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:21 | 4100194 Dr. Bonzo
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You can't keep calling it ~gate. The references to Watergate are just completely offbase. Watergate implied a tenacious press investigation that culminated in grand jury and subsequent prosecutions. We have none of that now. So seeing the repeated allusions to ~gate is like.... what? It's barely a scandal. It's a one-day newspaper item, often times not even front page news, tomorrow it will be nudged over by another revelation that everyone will promptly ignore. The Tevlon President had nothing on these fuckers.

If Barry could be nominated for a 3rd and 4th and 5th term, the demicans would hoist him on their shoulders and proclaim him the next God Emperor. And the Black Caucus would be leading the way throwing rose petals and singing hymals about what a cool-ass brother Barry was, and how presidential.

So let's stop pretending any of this shit will actually rise to the level of a ~gate.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:42 | 4100236 walküre
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This is much worse. This is Obamageddon. There is NO way in hell, the US is going to ever recover from that. You can print money and prop up zombie banks but no matter how much money you print, you cannot buy credibility or trust. When its gone, it's gone.

Frau Merkel, please declare that US agencies planned and performed the 9/11 attacks on its own soil as prelude to the "war on terror" and as pretext to enact the Patriot Act and subsequent mass government overreach on its citizen's privileges and privacy.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:58 | 4100289 WillyGroper
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She might as well.

She's not going to get their gold returned.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:37 | 4100598 tvdog
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The press can't investigate Obama. He investigates them, and throws them in prison if they report on him.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:35 | 4101022 Diogenes
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"Watergate implied a tenacious press investigation that culminated in grand jury and subsequent prosecutions."

That is what we all thought until it came out that Deep Throat was Mark Felt, #2 man at the FBI. This changes the whole story. The crusading reporters were really a couple of green kids led by the hand by a top Washington insider.

In other words Watergate was a silent coup. It was not a triumph of the people over corrupt government. It was a triumph of one branch of corrupt government over another.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:38 | 4100198 IndyPat
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Seriously. When is Chalky going to debut the Gaddafi style general uniform to kick off this banana republic shit right? That's the only thing missing.
Well...that, and chickens in the street.
I remember so much blue team bullshit about how W made us a laughing stock in Europe and elsewhere, and Chalky was going to change that? This clown has topped that by a mile. The major difference is that instead of just laughing at us, he's making the world fucking hate us. Combine all this snoop shit with our fucking insane monetary policy or lack thereof and it's a damn wonder every fucking country on the planet doesn't want a piece of us.
It's way past time that we do ourselves and the world a big fucking favor and spend the next 10-15 yrs putting foot to ass back here in the states and just leave everyone else the fuck alone.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:59 | 4100558 Mentaliusanything
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Well thats one person in the US who is awake.

I must be off now to practice klicking my heels and my stiff salute! 

Wake Sleepers.... Sleepers awake

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:33 | 4100199 steelrules
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In light of current events I've found it necessary to change my Avatar.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:26 | 4100204 arrogantchef
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I guess the phone hacking case in the UK wouldn't have happened if they would have used someone from Booz Allen Hamilton or some other US Government "contractor"  Then it would have been OK 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:26 | 4100205 arrogantchef
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I guess the phone hacking case in the UK wouldn't have happened if they would have used someone from Booz Allen Hamilton or some other US Government "contractor"  Then it would have been OK 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:27 | 4100206 Temporalist
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I feel the need to say something here...all I can come up with is "I told you so."

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:53 | 4100662 pepperspray
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What, me worry?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:32 | 4100220 PT
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If the infrastructure is still there then the spying will continue.  All words are irrelevant.  You don't have to think any harder.

"Oh yes, there are video cameras in your bedroom and in the showers, but don't worry, they are turned off.  Ignore the blinking red light.  You can trust me because I am a sixteen year old teenager.  Why would I want to look?" ... 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:35 | 4100227 Seasmoke
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Just make sure your are tapping that scumbags Netanyahu phones. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:40 | 4100368 Carl Popper
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The Tribe is guilty of overreach. It is interesting that a consensus is starting to build among right and left wing political circles that we have a major jewish problem on our hands and they are harming american interests to the point it is becoming uncomfortably obvious to all.

The tribe knows what major weatern politicians think of their obstructive and harmful behavior when occasionally a french president and others is caught on an open microphone unawares. Continuing to invoke hitler and antisemitism as a way to shut down all serious criticism is beginning to backfire.

Can we not invoke Godwin's Law against the tribe? Are they exempt?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:44 | 4100249 walküre
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High time the gloves come off. 9/11 was an inside job and false flag. Period. Time to call a fucking spade a spade and a liar and cheat, a liar and cheat.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:47 | 4100259 Quus Ant
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I think this is out-fuckin-standing.

The only reason the state would take the extraordinary measure of wholesale surveillance is if they were afraid of losing power-

they are clearly losing control of the narrative.  As much as folks bitch about "sheeple"  the state wouldn't be spying

if the sheeple weren't getting restive. 

Now what's gonna start the stampede?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:50 | 4100268 Curt W
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Only a Peace prize Prez. can make enemies out of long-term Allies.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:14 | 4100317 Constitutional ...
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As per usual, Feinstein shows that she is out of control, and out of her tiny money grubbing two faced lying mind. No foreign country would accept her say-so on anything. Internationally, she is nothing. 

She is insignificant in world affairs, and merely a functionary of  DC, Californica and Israel. It's bad enough to offend foreign leaders, without letting this woman grandstand and big up her lowly apparatchik status in the process.

Besides, it's all a distraction from the bigger issue of the National Stasi Agency spying on all Americans illegally, and without just cause...and sending all information unfiltered to a foreign country whose spies have been caught stealing from the USA. That would be Israel, Feinstein's spiritual homeland.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:30 | 4100350 Carl Popper
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The Tribe needs our metadata. Traffic analysis can improve your stockpicking ability, help you determine who is likely to win an election, and help the tribe obtain blackmail on American politicians.

Honestly sending our metadata unfiltered to the tribe was the final straw. Our masters in the Middle East are a major problem and more and more people are beginning to think this will require a radical solution to end it permanently.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:05 | 4100397 TheMerryPrankster
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OBAMA: "yo Michelle, bring me another crayon, I'm listening in on Merkel, gonna steal her mad german hacker skills and get my healthcare website groove back on.

Second thought bring the whole box of crayolas, I might be here a sick minute or two. "

Obama's gentlemanly defense, " I wasn't stealing German state secrets, I was just trying to figure out who they used for their healthcare websites!!!"


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:23 | 4100538 Ghordius
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"No foreign country would accept her say-so on anything. Internationally, she is nothing"

yes and no. she is, after all, the chairwoman of the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:52 | 4100747 Dr. Engali
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It doesn't matter who she is nobody is going to trust a known liar just because she said so b

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:04 | 4100773 Uncle Remus
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Just call her "Madam".

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:09 | 4101147 SAT 800
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"---tiny money grubbing two faced lying mind." Hey, don't hold back, go ahead and tell us how you feel about her. No, seriously; I agree; she's obviously an agent of the Devil.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:36 | 4100362 Diogenes
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Looks good for the sales of Blackberries, only secure phone on the market.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:31 | 4100422 Sandmann
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Only if you have wour own Enterprise Server

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:48 | 4100548 SHRAGS
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You may want to check your assumption about Blackberries being secure: British intelligence spied on G20 officials in London, says newspaper

One document cited by the Guardian — but not posted to its website — appeared to boast of GCHQ’s tapping into smartphones. The Guardian quoted the document as saying that “capabilities against BlackBerry provided advance copies of G20 briefings to ministers.”

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:41 | 4100369 Manipuflation
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What Obama actually hears because his web developers also run the the NSA tech dept...



Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:54 | 4100387 kchrisc
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In Buffalo it might be: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

In DC it is: Lies lies Lies lies lies lies Lies lies

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:02 | 4100396 Trampy
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If you want privacy in your emails, why the fuck don't you do something about it?  Strong encryption is easy to use and it's free.  You can bet your ass that corporations use it!  So what are you afraid of?

There are quite a few here who brag about their "long and strong" IT career, but not a single one of them is capable of extracting an email address from a PGP public key.  Please prove me wrong.

Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32)




Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:15 | 4100501 geewhiz
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So many nice sentiments sarc/. The hardware and software infrastucture of the internet are on the move via opensource. It is a matter of time before darknet becomes stronger, friendlier and more mainstream. Digital currency is on the move. Early days yet but good signs are there. Turds of Obozos ilk have good reason to fear freedom and the future of their own irrelevance. Timid whorecorps like google, apple and microsoft are now going to experience the very beginning of their end, they are no longer our friends.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:52 | 4100614 Tall Tom
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From eHow:


First get the Application PGP Desktop from PGP Corporation. I do not know what it sells for and I do not care.


Next follow these instructions:


Using PGP Desktop
  • 1

    Open your file manager and navigate to the directory of the file you want to decrypt.

  • 2

    Right-click the file and scroll down to "PGP" Select "Decrypt and Verify" from the sub-menu.

Read more:


You can find instructions online for anything. I will not bother to do it.


By the way I have absolutely no IT Professional Background

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:57 | 4100757 Hobbleknee
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If I understand correctly, in order for the recipient to decrypt my email, I have to first send them my public key.  Most people do this via email out of convenience, but it defeats the whole purpose when you consider that the NSA is making copies of everything.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:39 | 4100880 Abaco
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You do not understand correctly.  It doesn't matter who knows your Pubic key - it does not help them decrypt anything.  You can send it to NSA yourself.  If I want to send you an encrypted email I encrypt it using your public key and you decrypt it using your private key.  Vice versa for you sending an email to me. 

To be secure you MUST protect your PRIVATE key but you can post your public key for anyone to see without compromising security.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:56 | 4117225 Hobbleknee
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Thanks for clearing that up :)

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:44 | 4100889 flapdoodle
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Sorry, that's not how public key encryption works...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:12 | 4101162 SAT 800
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There must be something wrong with my browser; I couldn't read that. could you repeat it?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:34 | 4100424 Sandmann
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Those plastic shacks on top of US Embassies should be bombarded with high-frequency transmissions and electronic fog to jam their activities. Then frequent helicopter overfly to check the embassy facilities and building an electronic quarantine zone around US facilities

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:37 | 4100428 zebrasquid
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All of you who thought there was no point in voting last November, that Romney was no better than Obama (that was a prevalent notion here), you still feel that way?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:11 | 4100497 zebrasquid
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If you didn't vote against oBama, you're undeniably part of the problem.
BItching and moaning now is ineffectual. Go vote for the lesser of the evils next time.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:21 | 4100582 tvdog
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Piss off. If the Republicans want to win, they can try nominating someone who is NOT EVIL.

Wed, 10/30/2013 - 00:41 | 4103825 zebrasquid
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So you're happier with Obama than you might have been with Romney? OK, so we'll put you down as an Obama supporter...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:21 | 4100581 tvdog
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Yes. In fact, Romney would have been worse. He would have attacked both Syria and Iran by now. And all the domestic spying and militarization of the police would have been greater. And food stamps would have been cut by even more.

Not to mention the fact that Romney was and is a self-evident psychopath.

Fuck you, and fuck the Republican party.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:16 | 4100686 Winston of Oceania
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Actually it's fuck the left and fuck the right as both are just two sides to the same progressive coin of enslavement for the people at large. Wake up, it's time to choose the red or the blue pill...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:36 | 4100716 Everybodys All ...
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Fuck the Democrat party they are responsible for this current jackass.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:09 | 4100793 Uncle Remus
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See, that's not gonna cut it. There's a whole crop/herd of jackassi out there to chose from depending on the need at the time. Obama was well-played by TPTB. Who (Obama) in turn played the sheeple. I say, fuck the fools, irrespective of their "self-identified" livery associations.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:16 | 4101181 SAT 800
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He wouldn't have attacked anyone, and he's not a psychopath. You're trying to justify your laziness and foolishness in not doing your homework and voting.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:28 | 4101633 Emergency Ward
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I think you are ignoring Obama's trail of dead civilians across Asia and Africa.  Obama's drone-assassination programs.  His ever-increasing military incursions in Africa and elsewhere.  His advocacy of the vast secret NSA surveillance network.  His domestic enemies list.  Using the CIA as his private hit-squad.  Crony-Club Bankster Bailouts.  Global gun running incidents.  Making Afghanistan his own war of choice.  Torturing and declaring guilty before trial whistle-blower Manning (who exposed Bush/Obama war crimes).  Obama's intimidation of whistle-blowers and journalists.  The Obama Police state -- immune from prosecution.  Obama didn't start all of that but he enthusiastically expands upon all of it.  If Romney were doing the exact same things, Diane Feinstein would support him 100%.  The neo-conservative wing of the Republican Party approves of 98% of Obama's agenda.

Obamaphones are free but they are blocked from checking to see if Obama indemnified the Bush gang for war crimes.

All of that doesn't prove that Romney would not have been worse, makes that argument somewhat self-defeating....

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:46 | 4100896 flapdoodle
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The mistake was that they voted for Obama in 2008, when they could have had...McCain

oh wait...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:48 | 4100897 flapdoodle
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...only good thing about that would be we could look at Palin's jugs...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:15 | 4101174 SAT 800
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They have to keep playing make-believe, otherwise they'd have to admit they were wrong; and that's unthinkable.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 02:10 | 4100455 drunkenlout
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Dear Ennis A,

Post Merkel's selfies, or it never happened.  

PS:  European Parliament has preliminarily voted to cut off US access to SWIFT transactions.  Wasn't the point of NSA, Patriot Act, NDAA, etc. to monitor money flow in support of terrorism?  What will we use for a justification now?  

PPS:  The only person I ever saw get nailed under the money laundering surveillance provision of NSA, was NY Governor and Wall Street foe, Eliot Spitzer.  Has this whole shit-storm clampdown thingie been about monopolizing porn?  


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