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Home Sales Collapse At Fastest Rate In 40 Months; Stocks Spike

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Despite Joe Lavorgna's seemingly gigantic cognitive dissonance in the face of this report, the pending home sales data collapsed in September (and remember this is before the shutdown and was heralded at the time as buyers rushing to buy before the risk of the shutdown slowed acceptances). Affordability, argued by some serial extrapolators as still being 'relatively' positive - has drastically weighed on housing at the margin just as we argued previously. This is the first annual drop in 29 months, the biggest drop in 40 months, and the biggest miss against expectations in 40 months. Even the typically full of spin, NAR Chief economist had to admit "this tells us to expect lower home sales for the fourth quarter, with a flat trend going into 2014." Apparently, if one is to believe the spin, overheard everywhere in September: "Hmm, government may shut down next month - let's not buy a house."

Of course, NAR Chief Economist seems to have found an excuse by time-shifting his narrative...

NAR chief economist, said concerns over the government shutdown also played a role. “Declining housing affordability conditions are likely responsible for the bulk of reduced contract activity,” he said. “In addition, government and contract workers were on the sidelines with growing insecurity over lawmakers’ inability to agree on a budget. A broader hit on consumer confidence from general uncertainty also curbs major expenditures such as home purchases.”

Umm no Larry... because in our world September is before October and no one was talking about shutdown's impact then OR even pricing it in any way...

 

 

none of this should be a surprise given the impact on mortgage activity that higher rates have had...

 

Despite all the chatter that rates are still 'near' generational lows....

Of course - the market loves this crappy data is rallying handsomely as Taper is pushed off once again.

 


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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Say What Again
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We are well on our way to seeing the SP500 rally on 13 out of 14 days.
The game I play now is to see how bad the news can be and still have a positive day for ES.  I'm convinced that nothing, short of an all out war or natural catastrophe, will bring down this "market".

When making a decision about which way to position yourself in this "market", the only question you need to ask is this -- Is the bernank printing money today?  NOTHING else matters.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment slotmouth
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Going after Lavorgna is way to easy. I am almost convinced that this guy is paid to make the wrong predictions.  I can't recall a time when he was ever right about anything, which is impressive considering the number of things that he attempts to predict.  Here are a few gems:  Taper for sure in September he also gave specific dollar amounts and the split between MBS and treasuries.  No gov shutdown.  Once the shutdown happened it became a short shutdown that wouldn't last more than a few days.  It seems statistically improbable that he could be wrong so often, especially when he is predicting binary events.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:35 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Joe Bologna? 

Classic shill, the shill of shills, the Blitzkrieg Shillmeister of Deutsche Bank AG.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:39 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
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I was going to buy a house, but you can't eat it -- so I went all in on Tesla! </sarc>

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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cheaper to heat actually. No property taxes. Got wheels. I actually saw a used Rolls Royce at a one of the local metal movers and laughed. "what a puny car?" I thought. something about "if it runs I want to take that at max speed down the interstate just once" did pop in my head though. you "how dare you pull me over in my beater Rolls Royce officer. Don't you know who I am?"

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Big Ben
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At least you can use your burning Tesla to roast marshmallows.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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It's the sub-prime disaster deja vu all over again as many of the cash real estate sales were really rehypothecation nonsense.

Are you ready for another "Lehman Moment" soon??

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Why, no.  No I'm not.  Is it coming?  It would be best if it would come while I was unprepared.  Just so I could scream "NOBODY COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING!"

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Element
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Relax, it's contained.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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NAR chief economist, said concerns over the government shutdown also played a role

 

that is the meme from central control

BBG has been parroting it all morning

 

it is the Government shutdown

also some of the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy

but mostly the Government shutdown

in fact any soft economic numbers will be the result of the Government shutdown

this excuse will expire in 7 months

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Obese-Redneck
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This just in: former chief Kessler can't afford presents for his kids at Christmas this year because John Kerry is coming for his guns, LOL. Former officer Pike seeking refuge at Ted Nugents home for wayward Libertardians.  

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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Obese-Redneck.  Creative name dude.... did you steal that from someone at HuffPo?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Should have named himself 'Giant-Douchenozzle'

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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What, about 15 moar S&P points?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:20 | Link to Comment replaceme
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I'm hoping to buy the dip in real estate - our waitress this weekend thinks it's the perfect time to buy. 

Teasing, she seemed smarter than that.  Why buy when squatting is government sanctioned?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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I have not seen a "normal" house sale locally in years.

Used to be a young family would buy a house and move in based on schools, neighborhood, etc.   I have not seen a house sell around me that did not have a For Sale sign appear in front of it a few months later, or a For Rent sign.

In fact, a house up my street sold in late July.  The sign came down.  People moved out.  Zillow reports the sale.

Nobody moved in.  That house is vacant.  None of my neighbors can figure it out.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment walküre
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Buyer is holding property as part of his "balanced" portfolio. Like good wines, good houses go up in value the older they get. You must live in a good neighborhood. I pity you.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Where are those pundits who said higher mortgage rates wouldn't affect sales because the higher rates are "historically low"?

This is a historic depression spackled over with Food Stamps and an MSM/.gov BULLSHIT STORM.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment walküre
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Don't forget the billions that the Fed pumps into the exchanges to keep stocks inflated artificially. Gives MSM and .gov the cover to keep the illusion up. Mainstreet is falling apart and Wall Street is upgrading nonstop.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:34 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Maybe all those cash buyers ran out of debt?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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"4,594,000 Mortgages Going Unpaid in the United States." What Recovery? by MIKE WHITNEY

Lately, interest rates have been inching higher while prices have been rising. The combination of the two has put the kibosh on sales leading to a more generalized slowdown. But sluggish sales and higher rates don’t tell the whole story. For that, we need to take a peak under the hood and see what the cheerleaders in the media have been hiding from view. And what they’ve been hiding is nearly 5 million homeowners who’ve stopped paying their mortgages altogether. That’s no small matter. Here’s the story from DS News:

Lender Processing Services provided the media with a “first look” at the company’s mortgage performance statistics for the month of September….LPS counts a total of 3,266,000 mortgages nationwide that are 30 or more days past due but not yet in foreclosure. That tally represents 6.46 percent of all outstanding mortgages…..

Of the more than 3 million delinquent loans, LPS says 1,331,000 have missed at least three payments but haven’t started the foreclosure process.  Another 1,328,000 mortgages are currently winding their way through foreclosure pipelines, according to LPS’ data….

All-in-all, there are 4,594,000 mortgages going unpaid in the United States.” (“Number of U.S. Mortgages Going Unpaid = 4,594,000?, DS News) 

More at

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/10/25/what-recovery/

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:32 | Link to Comment More_sellers_th...
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Wow...Break that down and its almost 92000 per state (although it is obviously not all equal) but even so, thats a buttload of dwellings

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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I would write the whole thing off. and I'm being totally serious when I say that. take Fannie and Fred out to conservatorship...starting to your "house that is now worth ten grand."

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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Thanks for sharing that article.  Very alarming information.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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At least we can say... I USED TO BE WORSE!

BERNY?!?!

PLEASE COME BACK AND FIX THIS AGAIN!!! GET ON YOUR CHOPPER AND DO YOU THING!!

My silver already thanks you... SO MUCH!!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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LPS counts a total of 3,266,000 mortgages nationwide that are 30 or more days past due but not yet in foreclosure. That tally represents 6.46 percent of all outstanding mortgages…..

3.266 mil divided by 6.46% or in other words there are 50.557 mil mortgages

313.9 mil US population equals 1 mortgage for every 6.2 people.

Pondering the math...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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PERFECTLY NORMAL!!

It was summer and people had to go on vacation. And when you're on vacation you surely don't pay your morgage now do you?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:25 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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This is xtremly bullish, you know ...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:26 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Hi there sudden Debt

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Let me explain why a collapse is bullish: home prices and rent equivalents count a lot for inflation figures!!! It would make the Fed look bad if a) homes go up and b) we make more pay

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment B2u
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The weather had something to do with the drop too...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment GolfHatesMe
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Go long Weather, it never disappoints

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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You mean like no hurricanes at all this season keeping buyers on the beaches and their boats instead of house shopping??

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:28 | Link to Comment laomei
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There's a whole lot left on the books that's being ignored, and there are fewer places worth buying anything in... with those few places existing in a bubble that locks actual people out of the market

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment John McCloy
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    Diminishing returns baby across all spectrums. The higher stockies go the more bennies are required to purchase at these artificial illusion prices. AND THAT is why more QE is coming..along with that pesky stubborn 10 year.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:30 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Accounting is no longer needed.

Markets only go up.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:33 | Link to Comment vote_libertaria...
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aaaaaand stocks love the bad news.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Jimmy-the-G-man
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Ouch! Facial on Joe Lavs!!

He is the best reverse indicator out there. A broken clock is right more often than he is!! 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:40 | Link to Comment monopoly
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This is beyond bizarre. The Tsunami is building.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment monad
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This is the soviet demoralization through taxation & red tape strategy. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:46 | Link to Comment adr
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Got my first bid on my house. $110k which would cost me $15k to get rid of the house.

Then the young couple found out it would cost $8000 and $155 a month for FHA mortgage insurance. Removed their bid.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment surf0766
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The house across from us was  puschased 9 years ago for $285,000. The owner listed it this March 2013 for $260,000. NO one even walked through. They took it off the market and painted and listed it at $245,000.  Still no traffic. It was marked down to $225,00 45 days ago and there was some traffic. There was an offer that fell through so the sellers being super smart increased the price to $229,900.. and the house sits again. How much money did these people really loose on this house. Sounds like an Obamacare story.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:56 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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You're supposed to lose money on a house from a depreciation/deterioration standpoint...  However, you don't really "lose" anything until it costs you more than renting the equivalent.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:51 | Link to Comment walküre
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There's nothing wrong with the price of your house. There is something very fundamentally wrong with an ARMY of buyers who are used to getting everything for FREE. Yes, folks this is a sideeffect of socialism. When the FSA comes on an open house tour, you know the market is completely fucked.

Another sign of the times is instant gratification. People want to have the house NOW and they want to own it NOW. Paying for the dwelling over 15 or 20 years? That's so not cool anymore. Guess what? Jobs were never safe. Unless you work for the government, your job is not safe. Never was.

Cost of lumber and other building materials is going up, up, up. Try and build a house with walls and a roof, plumbing, duckting, appliances and so on for $100,000 these days.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment object_orient
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There's a zero down, 100% financing guaranteed loan program from USDA. No mortgage insurance, closing costs can be added to the loan. Only catch is the house must be in a rural area. And from what I've read, the definition of "rural" is fairly liberal. Housing bubble 3.0, here we come.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Atticus Finch
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When my wife and I were buying house, the only thing that mattered was, "Can we afford it?" No one buying a home gives a shit about what is happening with the government. At the point of purchasing, most people have put so much time and effort into the process, they could care less what the hell is going on in Washington. To blame the housing decline on the shutdown is pure economist stooge fantasy.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment 1stepcloser
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Let me know when the Trillion dollar coin goes on line. With my platnum coins and I can buy major cities.  

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment rlouis
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I'm waiting for the time when an ordinary nickle is worth more than a paper dollar.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment 1stepcloser
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currently its still under face value

 

1946-2013 Nickel
$0.05

$0.0449890
89.97%

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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It's getting harder and harder to sucker people into buying a house and taking on massive debt in this economy where jobs are more insecure then ever and the 'layoff' rate is soaring even for formerly solid companies like Merck and Siemens. If Sears and jcp fold, we're going to see a flood of more jobless folks looking for a job.

It's sad.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Oddly enough, the leader on Yahoo is "How To Buy A Home Without A Lot Of Cash". What possibly could go wrong?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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'GO AWAY! 'BATIN!'

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Randoom Thought
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Well thank the powers that be that they got a whole new set of bagholders invested in own-to-rent real etstate and take the banks off the hook for all those foreclosures, with government subsidies.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment STG5IVE
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And the colored stocks go

Doo, Da Doo, Da Doo

Do Da Daw

Doo, Da Doo, Da Doo

Da Daw Doooooooooooooooooo

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Yes, but how's the tent market? And how's the cardboard box market?  The world wants to know.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Serfs_Up
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Typical Real Estate Agent: "It's always GREAT time to buy/sell!" OR

"I'm in the Presidents Elite...I've SOLD $1 Beeelion worth of Real Estate...blah blah blah.."

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Big Ben
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Help us, Yellen, help us! If the Fed doesn't expand it's MBS purchases to $160 billion/month ($200B would be better), we won't be able to use our homes as ATMs anymore and the economy will collapse.

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