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The Humiliation Is Complete: China Complains NSA Phone Taps "Violate Leaders' Privacy"
Following the latest Snowden revelations this time exposing the NSA's spying practices in Spain, which apparently included spending billions in taxpayer funds to spy on 60 million Spanish phone calls, it was only a matter of time before Spain had an official response. Sure enough it came moments ago:
- Spain Asks U.S. to Disclose All Information on Phone Taps
Good luck with that. However, the US response was quick:
- U.S. Ambassador to Spain Says NSA Programs Protected U.S. Allies.
In other words, it was all for the greater good. Oddly enough, Rajoy has not yet summoned the US ambassador: one would think he would at least ask for all the NSA intercepted text message to Barcenas...
However, while the "indignation" by America's allies will come and go, the punchline in the overnight response to NSA's ongoing reputational hammering came not from Europe, but from China.
- CHINA FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESWOMAN HUA CHUNYING COMMENTS ON NSA
- CHINA SAYS NSA PHONE TAPS VIOLATE LEADERS' PRIVACY
Because when even China makes fun of your spying practices, it's probably time to call it a ballgame.
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I'm sure it was just an accident....besides there's an opt-out link on the NSA newsletter.
C'mon how do you accidentally hack a ...oh, nevermind.
"U.S. Ambassador to Spain Says NSA Programs Protected U.S. Allies."
Partial list of US allies:
Alcoa Inc.
Altria Group Inc.
American International Group Inc.
AT&T Inc.
Boeing Co.
Caterpillar Inc.
Coca-Cola Co.
DuPont & Co.
Exxon Mobil Corp.
General Electric Co.
General Motors Corporation
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Home Depot Inc.
Honeywell International Inc.
Intel Corp.
Etc...
NSA Constant Contact
"Trusted by more than 7.1 billion people worldwide".
A few years ago, my brother-in-law buys an old house in a suburban neighborhood of a large midwest city. When I went visit him, he took into the basement to show me something he found when they moved in. Behind a door in the cellar was a very large tie-in panel connected to two large telephone trunk-lines. Evidently, this house was used to conduct wire-taps on any house in the neighborhood. There were at least 2000 lines in the tie-in panel. This shit has been going on for a lot longer than most people realize.
I still haven't heard back on whether I can use the FOIA to request backup retrieval.
Time to get entrepreneurial. All of the big tech and social media companies are selling "big data" for analytics, marketing etc. NSA needs to re-brand: "SOOPER-BIG Data". Charge $1.50 per data point.
If you like your existing privacy, you can keep it.
If you like your existing non-privacy, you can keep it. If you don't, you're a terrorist, so tough luck.
It will also be cheaper.
And available in 24/50 states.
The really curious thing is how all this vast array of data is being collected and piped directly to Israel for some hither-to unexplained reason, but somehow this curious arrangement and its massive spying and espionage implications, isn't getting any clean-air in the international mass-media throng.
Instead we keep getting these fragmented daily snippets of who's most upset today.
OK, you're all upset, it's really wrong, and this stuff absolutely must be dealt with, and it is very important - we all agree.
But, who is getting this data?
And why are they getting it?
Why is pissant ME country like Israel apparently getting every scrap of information that the NSA is collecting?
What could possibly justify that egregious global outrage?
Why is no one really demanding a WTF type global discussion about this absurdity?
This is clearly an us verses them situation, of their making, and all we're getting is the media soft-soaping it down, and the wider problem of who is getting and using this data, remains basically flying under the radar.
That is at the heart and soul of this whole ludicrous anti-constitutional, anti-social, anti-privacy and actually anti-security global-scale outrage.
On top of that we need to know who the end-users are here, what they're getting (which apparently is absolutely everything transmitted in any form), and what can they use that to do? It's pointless asking what they do use it for, because TPTB will only lie about that. So what they can use it for is the thing we need to understand, because they will surely be doing at least that much with it, given how much they've lied, acted blatantly illegally with zero recourse to law so far, and tried desperately to cover it all up.
Everyone in Europe, Japan, Canada, Brazil, Australia, China and Russia, Chile - PEOPLE EVERYWHERE - should be asking why it is that Israel or anyone else is getting everyone else's data, from this NSA global network?
Who else is getting it like this?
I hope those with access to Mr Snowden's data-cache can really spell this out clearly, so we get the full picture of what's been going on here.
Because at this point the massive scale of it, and the mind-blowingly blatant nature of all these staggering violations, on every level of the law and government, is simply too bewildering to grasp and take-in. There seems to be no end to the size of this spying apparatus and network, nor any limit, or intension to limit its further expansion to store and recall everything, indefinitely.
Protesters used to mass and mob nuclear sites during the cold war to sens an unmistakable message to militaries/govts, so is it time to form say a five million person march on such spy network facilities spying on all civilians, and just burn the fucking things down? Is this all the recourse that's left to stop these illegitimate scum?
oh dear, I hope that didn't get me on some shit-eating cunt's list.
Good points but you are being kinda hard on Sen Feinstein at the end there aintcha?
Humiliation? Loads of Obama fan boys and girls still post on ZH and still love him and the Democrats.
Chi-Com's concerned about privacy? Is this an Onion story?!
Bing bong, ching chong, fuck your phone!
I bet if Obama knew about this, he would have put an end to it right away!!
As with healthcare, it's Nixon's fault! If he hadn't opened the door to Red China we'd only be spying on Taiwan, ROC, rather than the PRC.
Jealousy
When are we going to just HANG the head of the NSA?? No, they have programs on state sponsored TV telling us how terrible it is that the NSA has been outed and we're in danger of "terrorism". Right, and that's why they're listening to my neighbors phone calls because they're protecting me from my neighbor taking a piss on a tree on my property at midnight. Terrorism? That's the FBI, CIA, White House, Federal Reserve, etc. When are those bastrads going to starts protecting me from them?? HANG ALL THESE MOTHERFUCKERS.
RIP, Lou Reed
He said it better than most ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5eXSPKHlso
Hint: He sings about the same stuff the FED manufactures.
And thank god I just don't care,
anymore.
The question should be when is the rest of the world going to hang America out to dry?
Everyone is being violated, equally, not just us citizens, by one big fucking acorn modeled administration. I see an outraged obama setting up yet another comittee to ensure this sort of thing doesn't happen again....acorn style.
They are deliberately trying to provoke a dumpage of our treasuries, a move away from the dollar, so blame can be deflected elsewhere...acorn style
Hark! What is that soft voice laughing in the distance.......I believe, no wait....yes it is.......Putin.
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I see many ships going out today to cut under sea fiber optic cables. Internet will become the fragmentnet very shortly.
Oh no, what will I do with only Canoga porn and none from the Czech Republic or Hungary?
Happily I happen to live on the other side of the pond... ;)
Heathrow sneakernet. Do not underestimate the bandwidth of a 787 filled with Blu-Ray.
Oh, +1 for the updated Tanenbaum quote!
Invest in companies that making the equipment for city-wide hot spots. They will be much needed in Fragmentnet 2.0. They'll also be useful in taming the chaos when the grid starts to come back after the great collapse of 2014.
OT, but if this guy's inventions are for real they are a gamechanger. He's another Tesla type.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Events:2013:October_22-24:Sterling_Allan_Visits_Raphial_Morgado_to_Make_Aviation_2.0_Announcement
Funny you should say that Caveman as they've been dredging right where it landfalls the US
So only world leaders have a right to privacy,we peasants have no rights at all.........
You must have missed that one George Carlin Video.
Shut up and stop complaining, slave!
Yours truly,
Valerie Jarrett.
PS. You have the right to an abortion. That's all the rights you need.
I thought that was interesting symantics too
" CHINA SAYS NSA PHONE TAPS VIOLATE LEADERS' PRIVACY"
Only the 'leaders' privacy matters ....
Watch some tool try to use that at the congressional hearings.
Ah so United State_ say, "Yu tu dum, tso wee lai too yoo."
We swap FeRNs for gord and you no ronger grobar reserve currency!
It's a good thing that Zero doesn't know about this or he might have some splannin to do.......yeah right, like the MSM is going to ever challenge this guy. They may find themselves driving out of control at high rates of speed in an engine ejecting car.
That's rich. How many websites are blocked by the Chinese gov? Another reason I don't worry about China.
How many do they think are blocked or how many actually blocked?
Always fun posting on FaceBook from China with a fuckyou to the politboyos.
"Leaders' privacy", but I thought everyone is borne equal in the eyes of the law!
If you like your current job, you can keep it....until you can't. Just make sure.
2 liberal wackos on bloomberg just now, total misadministration parrots. Betty Lie and Tom Kweer,,,yeah right Tom, its all about the Snowden 'disaster'. Its not about the most corrupt tyrant EVER ordering this, and allowing it to continue. Betty Lie , who always was a joke,,, 'isnt this about the big picture?' NO cunt, its about barry ordering illegal spying, and allowing it to continue for years. Nice try.
The farleft media continues in full Alinskycrat mode.
That's like Amy Winehouse telling you that you have a drinking problem.
oh my, i burst out laughing when i read that headline. we are a laughing stock. that's so pitiful.
Oh, so it's only okay when lawless government does it. FUCK THAT "FOR YOUR PROTECTION" HORSESHIT!
END THE FLEABAG NSA, THROW THE BUMS IN JAIL!!
VOTE OUT EVERY LIGHT SABRE COCK SUCKING PATRIOT IN CONGRESS THAT VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT!
So rather than call out the PRC's rank hypocrisy on this, Tyler frames it as a "humiliation" for the US. One more step in the transformation of ZH from anti-establishment to anti-American. (no, I'm not saying I approve of the NSA programs, but the Great Firewall of China makes the NSA look like the ACLU)
I wonder how long ZH would last if you moved the servers to Beijing?
Tyler is simply pushing back against the US global surveillance state. If you think that's being "anti-American" feel free to go back to cheering for the photoshopped illusion of freedom, justice and the American way that we've all been served up.
let us know when China is CAUGHT RED HANDED at spying, over and over and over and over again. You sound like Jay Carney. Save us the 'anti-American' bullshit. That ship sailed long ago.
"when China is CAUGHT RED HANDED at spying, over and over and over and over again."
Come on, you are joking, right?
What a moron! Your mom and dad are related, right?!?
tulpa, when discussing the nsa, we arent concerned about china. we are concerned about an organization that needs to be emascualted. so any news that can help give the nsa a black eye is news that zh should be spreading. how do you define anti-american tulpa???? is anti nsa anti american???
I don't understand your type of thinking at all.
Its not ZH that is anti-American, its our government that is anti-American.
Oh, fuck, Tulpa, more of that tired "the other guys are worse", "America, love it or leave it" defense. The NSA is a fucking out-of-control monstrosity, and it doesn't matter if the Chinese, the British, the Russians and the Israelis are worse (the sheer size of the NSA makes that debatable). Get off of your high horse -- stop defending the Lindsey Graham vision of America. It's not un-American to criticize governmental criminality. (Or maybe it is, if your mind is twisted enough.)
News services are starting to report that yes, Spanish PM Rajoy has now summoned the US Ambassador for explanations. Good luck with that.
Fuck all the leaders and their humiliation! What about me?
Did you see the interview on 60 minutes yesterday with deputy director of the CIA Mike Morell? He talked about NSA spying. So full of lies I had to restrain myself from throwing something at the screen. All BS propagabda!
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50157982n
Why does a dog lick its balls?
Answer: Because it can.
The USA spies on frends and foes alike because it can. Fullstop.
It is the despicable reality of the world we live in.
If we knew the extent of the Israeli government's snooping we would be mortified.
The Red Army is just pissed about interference on their taps.
"Goddamit, that's MY tap."
"No, it's MINE, go get your own."
He's a good boy. He's a really good boy. He wouldn't listen to your calls or read your e-mail. He told me that it's all lies.
Signed, Moochelle
Well, the really really important thing is she is proud of her country for the first time in her life.
"We President now."
I bet the foriegn countries are all using the NSA data.
Political games for the sheeple and Muppets
Chinese should understand NSA.
We just have to explain it's part of our "Great Leap Forward" to strengthen the Revolution. The Party needs to weed out counter-revolutionaries and dissidents.
Wherever in the world they may be hiding.
Privacy is bourgeoisie! There, now the Chinese will understand it if you couch it in Mao-speak.
In Other NEWS: US government announce effective immediately they will outsource NSA jobs and technology to China, sending more Americans to unemployment line. Chinese Officials are happy now!
This is nothing more than a world wide diversion to get the peoples minds off the crappy economy. All nations spy on each other, just like they have done for hundreds of years.
Humiliation complete? Not by a long shot.
"The duty of a Patriot is to protect his country from its government"
Thomas Paine, legendary patriot and author of "Common Sense", the most influential essay on the leaders of the American revolution ignited by Britains stated intention to impose a British fiat currency on the colonists.
We have a few things backward today thanks to government "education" and lamestream media inculcated universal ignorance of that which matters contrasted by a contrary universal preoccupation with that which matters not.
China = second largest illegal alien population in the USA and the source of the materials the mexican mafia uses to make all the meth. FU and your trading partners, China
FIGURED IT OUT YET?
NSA spies on everyone, even the other U.S. Spy agencies and the Congress. That's how they got the Petraeus wife cheating. We know Israel gets all the raw data. I'll bet the ONLY country we don't spy on is Israel. Israel never mentioned by Snowden. The dog that doesn't bark.
China believes in personal privacy now?
Oh that's right! I almost missed the word "leaders" in that statement. Only their LEADERS have a right to privacy.
I don't like Dick Cheney, but in this case, he was right:
"Our friends no longer trust us, and our opponents no longer fear us."
Thank you, Emperor Caesar Obama!