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"Obama Built That" - Behold Obamacare In All Its Lines Of Code Glory

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"Obama built that"...  And now good luck tearing it down and its several hundred million lines of code, and rebuilding it from scratch.


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Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:24 | 4099630 One And Only
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I read one line of code.


NO LUBE. bitchez.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:28 | 4099651 LetThemEatRand
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The line before translates roughly to (accounting for the errors):  "balls deep."

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:32 | 4099659 Row Well Number 41
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I remember back in the day that a good coder was measured by how few lines of code he used to do a task, not how many.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:36 | 4099679 DoChenRollingBearing
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There is no president worse than Obama.

And Valerie Jarrett is his prophet.

(or Oracle, lol, stupid computer pun...)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:38 | 4099684 Manthong
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Boy, I don’t think Al Gore even wrote that many lines when he coded the Internet.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:42 | 4099695 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL, ya beat me to writing how incredible that software mess is.  Good Luck, .gov!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:54 | 4099739 pemdas
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For those frustrated by trying to log on to the site they have added a link to a suicide hot line.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:43 | 4100089 Pool Shark
Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:55 | 4100128 markmotive
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Richest country in the world has one of the sh!ttiest health care systems. Cuba's is better FFS.

Gerald Celente tells it like it is:

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:04 | 4100149 Carl Popper
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If I need a bypass or cancer treatment I will stay here thank you.

Feel free to go to Cuba. VIP treatment couldn't even keep Chavez alive or prevent metastasis.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:24 | 4100338 eatthebanksters
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How's that hopey changey shit working for you now?  Maybe you can say Error 404 to your policy change or rate increase.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:14 | 4100403 Manthong
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After the feds turn the nation’s medical system into a flunky sawbones MERSA muckhole, I will be happy to fly to Singapore and pay cash for treatment or an operation and then some R&R.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:09 | 4100627 Acet
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That graph is pure, sheer bullshit.

Unless you count libraries (pre-assembled reusable modules written by other people) as lines of code.

Being in the industry for almost 20 years (yes, I was there for the Internet boom and bust) i can tell you software has not grown in actual lines of code written specifically for a program, rather more and more complex functionality has been built into reusable libraries.

So your average coder is not writting any more code lines than before, nor have teams grown in size significantly (read The Mythical Man Month if you want to know why team size increases quickly deliver negative productivity after a certain point) - what has happened is that the reusable libraries we use are ever more complex and contain ever more functionality (things that would require tons of code to implement 20 years ago can now be done by a single line of code calling a library that does it for you).

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:49 | 4100658 NidStyles
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A library is nothing but reusable code....

Wed, 10/30/2013 - 06:20 | 4104015 Acet
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Actually it's possible to use libraries not as much for reusability but to plug-in environment-matched functionality at the point of deployment or simply to support different versions of a protocol or storage standard.

In those situations, it's perfectly possible that the code in a library is only ever used in one application, which by definition means it's not being reused.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:13 | 4100684 CalDre
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Laughed my ass off when I saw FB has 60 million lines of code.  WTF?  The site's about as complex as ZH. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:50 | 4100270 rosiescenario
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....but the answering center in Calcutta was too frustrating to understand....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:58 | 4099751 NoDebt
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The website isn't the biggest or most complex problem with Obamacare.  Not by a long shot.  The real hairy math is yet to come.  This website debacle is a distraction.  They knew it wasn't going to work (their denial that they knew there were problems is pretty effective proof of that, as denials usually are).  Prepare for "Plan B" to be launched within a few months.

You think you hate it now, but just wait.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:40 | 4099896 Whoa Dammit
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You mean something along the lines of "According to Section CCDLXXXV(j) of the Affordable Healthcare Act, you as the Primary Insured, failed to file Forms KERF(c) and JHJ(f)  PRIOR to receiving this medical procedure. Due to your like of compliance, your coverage has been denied per Section CMLDXIV (k)." ?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:36 | 4100066 rubiconsolutions
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< -------     C:\>del obamacare*.* /q

< -------     C:\>format /u

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:55 | 4100276 F-Tipp
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[11:45 PM] WOPR ~ $ rm * -Rf

edit: all this stuff reminds me of the faith the government put in WOPR in war games

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:54 | 4101341 GMadScientist
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rm -rf *obama*; blacklist; umount /dev/america

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:38 | 4100072 angryBuddhist
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First rule of thumb when delivering on a government contract - be absolutely certain that it fails miserably at all aspects of what it is supposed to do. This is easy to do w/o suffering breach of contract because the specs deliverd to the contractor guarantee that if they are followed precisely, it will be a total FUBAR mess. This is all very deliberate because the ultimate goal is that even more money gets to be spent to fix the mess and we all know that government beaurocracies and contractors love this cushy arrangement.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:00 | 4099756 unrulian
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10 eatballz

20 goto 10



Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:29 | 4100037 Raging Debate
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Unrulian - Goto and gosub commands. Gawd I am getting old! .gov should stick to DOS then they MIGHT learn some Pascal. We have martian rovers and learning how to quantum tunnel but we can't FILL IN BLANKS....

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:17 | 4099804 wee-weed up
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I'm just waiting for his sycophant MSM...

To come out saying Obama didn't even know about ObamaCare...

And that he had no clue...  had nothing to do with it...

Hell, why not?

That's the preposterous lie they've been trying to cram...

Down our throats about everything else he's...

Touched that has gone to shit!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:47 | 4099920 NemoDeNovo
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They all ready have..........

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:25 | 4100017 sylviasays
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The only thing he seems to know about Trayvon Martin and the Redskins. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:03 | 4100299 TalkToLind
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And train conductor hats for Marines.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:06 | 4100303 MisterMousePotato
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You forgot about stupid Boston (?) Chicago (?) policemen. (My, how the time flies.)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:32 | 4100057 Diogenes
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You mean it's not Bush's fault?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:48 | 4100102 NoDebt
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Oh, man, you really stepped into a sensitive subject there.  On one hand, it's ALWAYS somebody else's fault with the libs/statists.  It's always because "the right people weren't in charge".  On the other hand... it's pretty much ONLY their fingerprints all over this thing.

Throw it all in the media blender and...... yeah, it's Bush's fault.  Or the Tea Party.  Or private industry (they wrote the code, after all).  The blame will go everywhere except where it belongs.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:12 | 4100172 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha ha!  Excellent!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:08 | 4100306 MisterMousePotato
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You must've missed this:

There are spoilers in the comments, so if you're inclined, I suggest watching the video first.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:49 | 4100106 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Ah yes, the Bart Simpson defense!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:53 | 4100120 4 wheel drift
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everything else he's... Touched that has gone to shit!


oh damned.....  that means he will win the chemistry nobel prize....

touch something....  turn into shit.....  (like the US Dollar )

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:09 | 4100311 MisterMousePotato
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Pretty droll, Drift.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:00 | 4099953 erkme73
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Apparently, she was born in Iran.  Quite the diversity, no?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:44 | 4100090 stant
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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:31 | 4100354 Cast Iron Skillet
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looks like they doctored around on it too much.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:58 | 4100392 kchrisc
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Sorry, but in the Parthenon of bad presidents, the one that killed the republic, Lincoln, is at the top. He was the first US dictator.

Obama is just paving the way for dictator 2.0.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:30 | 4100644 northerngirl
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What does that say about America?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:43 | 4099902 insanelysane
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When you needed to create a punch card for each line of code, brevity was cherished.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:17 | 4100973 GeezerGeek
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Those responsible for, indeed all of Obamacare including the original legislation, should be folded, spindled and mutilated. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:57 | 4100133 PT
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Row Well re "I remember back in the day that a good coder was measured by how few lines of code he used to do a task, not how many."

True, but in many situations I found I had to compromise - more speed took up more memory, less speed took less memory eg. get the computer to perform complex calculations vs giving it a look up table; reusing the same tiny subroutine vs writing it out a second time ( and so eliminating the call / ret clock cycles ).

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:35 | 4100540 RKDS
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That was before the Prophet Norquist and his Disciples descended from the Heavens with the Gospel of the-worst-private-sector-actor-is-better-then-the-best-public-sector-actor.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:04 | 4101122 Manthong
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.. and when you all you had to play with was a $25,000 DEC or DG screaming away at 5 Mhz with 64K of RAM (or maybe a couple of very, very expensive Mb) and a 5 or 10 Mb Winchester.

Inefficient code was not an option.  :-D

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 06:12 | 4100628 Truthseeker2
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Obamacare: The Hidden Agenda

!  !  !

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:32 | 4099660 icanhasbailout
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OK I just did some math on this and I call bullshit on the 500 million number. That works out to 450k lines of code each day for three years including holidays and weekends. Those idiots couldn't even copy and paste code that fast, never mind actually write it.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:33 | 4099669 LetThemEatRand
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Maybe with a little help from NSA they could.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:01 | 4099762 MsCreant
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It would work if the NSA did it.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:32 | 4099871 James-Morrison
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Yes, but we wouldn't like the results.

(You want Healthcare, FEMA camp for you!)

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:33 | 4100357 Cast Iron Skillet
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Actually, the NSA spy-O-matic is missing from the infographic. Wonder how many lines of code it has ...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:36 | 4099678 Dr. No
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Automated code builders FTW (and a bigger check due to pay-by-line contract)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:37 | 4099683 icanhasbailout
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Even with automated code builders this is implausible. I've been programming for 30 years, I kind of know something about this topic maybe.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:42 | 4099694 LetThemEatRand
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So what if "someone" has been writing the real code for a few years and Obamacare code was tacked on.  Maybe the merging of the two wouldn't work very well and cause problems.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:46 | 4099710 A Lunatic
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Kind of like the PATRIOT Act you mean.......

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:47 | 4099812 Pure Evil
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But you never mentioned how many H-1B code monkeys from India were insourced to write the program.

If it takes 10,000 monkeys to type Shakespeare, then 100,000 H-1B monkeys could do it in 3 years.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:11 | 4100316 MisterMousePotato
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I've been opposed to IDE's since Dreamweaver 3(?). They're only suitable for use by people who don't need them.

If you make coding so easy that monkeys can write code, then monkeys will write code. (Can I patent that?)

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:12 | 4100683 PT
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MMP:  if you make computing so easy that idiots can use computers ...

So sad the market has changed to cater to them at the expense of people who knew a thing or two ... 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:32 | 4101245 MisterMousePotato
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I probably still have a bookmark to an internet article from nigh on two decades ago whose takeaway line was, "Maybe Granny is just too stupid to use a computer."

Too, remember that arbitration before the NLRB where a Tier I customer service representative for WordPerfect was trying to get his job back?

*** *

Well, what should I tell them when I get there?

Tell them you're too stupid to own a computer.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:55 | 4099940 TeamDepends
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The Patriot Act and the ACA are the book-ends of your worst nightmare.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:01 | 4100394 kchrisc
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Excuse me, but you forgot NDAA.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:02 | 4100297 ghostfaceinvestah
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This division of CGI is the old AMS, based in Fairfax.  Guaranteed they did not start from scratch - the probably took a precanned program they had been working on for literally decades, and started modifying it.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:34 | 4100030 Running On Bing...
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"Automated code builders FTW "

For those NOT in the know, here is how it works.

1) The project starts with a Statement of Work(SOW).
2) You build the software according to that.
3) Exactly. Nobody really knows what 'that' is.

4) Software goes 'live'.
5) FUCKING Panic from the steering comittee.
6) Cries "We've got to change this thing"

7) Amend the SOW.
8) Each change requires a 'change request'.
9) $$change request$$, get it?

These projects don't make the real money until the panic is in high gear and the change requests start flowing, each one has significant monetary value.

Michelles 'friend' at CGI is fucking her harder than Barrack ever could.

Wish I was there to watch.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:23 | 4100584 mvsjcl
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And speaking of SOW, when exactly did the RFP (Request for Proposal) go out to vendors? Has a copy ever been made public?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:41 | 4099687 BandGap
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They have programs tht write code. And programs that check the code. You can write a lot of code that way. Also, they probably idn't start from scratch and used pre-written modules or whole blocks of coe.  Obviously something went wrong here.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:52 | 4099726 icanhasbailout
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Would anyone else care to expose their complete ignorance in the field of writing computer code?

Are you seriously going to argue this one with one of the most experienced programmers on the planet?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:02 | 4099765 Cognitive Dissonance
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Resistance is futile. ;))

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:05 | 4099773 icanhasbailout
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Apparently I ruffled the feathers of a couple of butthurt down arrowers.


Isn't the chart clear enough that after all this time of being able to appropriate and automate code writing, that there still has never existed a product with even 20% of the code that they claimed is in that website?

Come on, people, this is off-by-an-order-of-magnitude level stuff. ZHers ought to be able to spot that in their sleep.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:18 | 4099819 Pure Evil
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I could have wrote the whole thing in 3 lines of Perl.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:33 | 4100221 Skateboarder
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Haha, children...

True masters write everything in one line of C... in one breath.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:13 | 4100498 Phil Free
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C? Bah ... Assembly Language.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 05:37 | 4100600 mvsjcl
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I'm just curious what the back-end looks like. Grid computing on blade servers? Big Blue's z/OS? A bank of Commodore 64's?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:24 | 4099826 LetThemEatRand
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Come on, man.  Go visit your parents who are staying in the tastefully decorated basement of your 6000 square foot house in Palo Alto before they head to Hawaii for the third leg of their vacation.  ;)

It's called jealousy.

P.S.  Can I borrow a couple hundo?  Blew my load shorting the market.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:27 | 4099848 icanhasbailout
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>Blew my load shorting the market.


Pro tip: you're supposed to fade the dong, not follow it.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:32 | 4099855 LetThemEatRand
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Cool.  What about the couple hundo?  Can we make it an even grand?  I'm good for it.  Nmewn will vouch for me.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:43 | 4099903 icanhasbailout
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OK. Send me a hundred, I'll send you triple back.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:20 | 4100188 LetThemEatRand
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Great.  Send me your SS, bank account number, and DOB and I'll wire the funds.  You can email the information here:

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:55 | 4100282 icanhasbailout
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Sure. Send it to Harrison Bounel, SS#042-68-4425. You can PayPal me at

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:14 | 4100320 MisterMousePotato
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Birther (*sneer*). Birther. Birther, birther, birther. (Big finish: *Giant Sneer*.)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:39 | 4100234 Skateboarder
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Come on, man.  Go visit your parents who are staying in the tastefully decorated basement of your 6000 square foot house in Palo Alto before they head to Hawaii for the third leg of their vacation.  ;)

Having lived in the south bay all my life, all I can say is:

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:07 | 4099979 GMadScientist
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Depends on how naively you decide to count 'code'. Does that include HTML served by the site, the scripts that run on back-end machines, is it pre-processed high-level code, does it include comments (non-functional, but I've had times when I'd pay handsomely just to know what they guy before me thought he was doing below)?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:09 | 4099988 icanhasbailout
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No it doesn't. There's no way of counting code that gets you to 500 million or anywhere even close to it, even if you count the operating system it runs on. Which you don't count if you're being remotely honest.


As far as code commenting goes, I may not be the only programmer who extensively comments his code, but I'm close to it.


There's a saying I learned back when I was first learning Apple Basic and LOGO that goes: "If builders built buildings like programmers write programs, the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilizaiton." All hail Obama Woodpecker.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:09 | 4099989 BandGap
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I didn't down arrow you.

And does this really matter?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:12 | 4099796 adr
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Honestly, you're trying to apply real business logic to the government.

They pay $1 million for a $20 item.

What takes you ten lines of code takes them 100k.

It's like paving a road. Give me a machine and two guys and I'll finish the damn 1/2 mile of road in a day. Somehow it takes a government contractor six months and $12 million.

See if you're getting paid $500 million to build a website, if some government beurocrat reads that it took 20k lines of code, they'll think they got ripped off.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:25 | 4099839 icanhasbailout
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I've worked on government code before, and in my extensive experience it is of the same general low quality as the vast majority of commercial code.


I can't believe ZHers are having so much trouble with simple math here. 500 million lines of code is not possible. It is a lie. Are you guys seriously taking Obama's word for it? *Slap slap* wake the hell up!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:50 | 4099925 Pure Evil
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At this point who really cares.

1 million, 500 million, 200 quadrillion, its all the same.

Hell, it coulda been 3 lines of Perl and it would still take another $500 million to fix it.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:44 | 4100081 JLee2027
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I agree with icanhasbailout.

I too am an ex-developer, originally from the late 70's. Writing 100 lines of code per day (that would be correctly working code) was above average. There is no way it's 500 million lines of code. Under 100 million certainly, but there's really no proper way to estimate it. Huge projects like these need years of proper design, and numerous coding and testing cycles to iron things out. Which, from testimony, never happened. No wonder it's a complete clusterfuck. Bottom line, unfixable.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:07 | 4100159 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Bottom line, unfixable."

And the gummint is now saying it will be done by the end of November, but they don't say what year!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:40 | 4100239 JLee2027
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The front end probably, so everything "appears" to work. Don't be fooled though. 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:57 | 4100287 icanhasbailout
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I ran numbers on this, based on the 500 million lines claim. If true, the site can be expected to be ready for production in April 2074. My estimate is based roughly on the amount of time it took to develop Windows 7 and the amount of code in that codebase.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:34 | 4100425 Skateboarder
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And then, it will only be able to track the number of sheets you used to wipe, but not the color of thine poo.

'Pologies for the dirty imagery, but you know what I mean...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 04:47 | 4100547 Urban Redneck
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As to there being no proper way to estimate it... don't Blue Cross or United sell health insurance in 30 some states? If so, isn't there at least a ballpark way to estimate how many lines of code there should be, and which will need to written from scratch once the project manager is forced to accept reality..

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:03 | 4100670 Tegrat
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Most experienced? I started with TRS-80 Basic and Z-80 Assembler circa 1982. After a near decade of C on Unix and another with C++ and perl/bash I am primarily working with Scala, Java and Ruby. I am actively avoiding .Net and python when possible.


I happen to agree with your assessment that it would be hard to believe that even with all the systems that must interact with this web site (which should be pushed off to another process/server if not obtainabled in seconds) that you could have any one system with that many lines of code.


find / -type f |  egrep '\.(java|scala|[CC](pp)?|[Hh](pp)?|js|php|pl|ph|pm|rb|py)$' |  grep -v '^\d+total\s$' | xargs wc -l | awk '{sum += $1} END { print sum}'

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:41 | 4099690 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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When you use prewritten open source and closed sourced code (while passing it off as your own work, they call in plagerism in certain circles) whole sale without writing any of it with enough idiots on the payroll you can and at a cost of 1B they most certainly did. They had more of them than anyone could sufficiently supervise assuming they had anyone with sufficient supervision skills to begin with.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:06 | 4099777 nmewn
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Its not plagerism when .gov assumes it owns everything...they really did build this.

Let me just bask in its omnipotent glory for a

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:21 | 4099823 Pure Evil
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Praise be the .gov gods and their omnipotent glory!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:53 | 4099725 SkottFree
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icanhasbailout OK you did some of the math! You assumed there was only one person writing code, shame on you! If you had 100 people writing code that works out to 45K lines of code per day! If you had 1000 that works out to 4.5k lines per day! if you had 10,000 that works out to 4.5 lines of code per day! If you pay them $150k per year that amounts to Obamacare!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:10 | 4099772 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That was my point these type of contracts especially something this high level they throw as much money down the rat hole as needed regardless of anything else to meet deadlines. They would have had the budget and no incentive to say no every time the contractor(s) came back saying they needed more money to hire more coders get it done on time. The contractor(s) basically had the HHS by the hymen since the Black Nero needs it rolled out when he said it was supposed to be rolled out. It is not like they can cancel the contracts, re-bid and expect to have it fixed and meet deadlines once you pass the event horizon. All you can do is keep shoveling money down the hole and hope for the best.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:25 | 4099838 Pure Evil
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I can only assume you haven't worked government contracts for the military or the FAA.

Not only do they cancel contracts, re-bid them, and re-contract with the canceled contractor all the while keep shoveling money down the hole and hope for the best, but quite a few military/FAA contractors make a nice chunk of change on this paradigm.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:17 | 4099948 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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This was not your standard run of mill project where that does happen. You are absolutely right but this is one of those cases where deadline does matter and once you pass a certain point there is just no turning back. The President's (at least in his mind) credibility and legacy was riding on it being done when he said it would be done. The stakes are a hell of a lot higher here.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:36 | 4100228 delacroix
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 10,000 X 150,000 isn't that 1.5 billion

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:04 | 4099760 SokPOTUS
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I saw somewhere that they admitted to 5,000,000 lines of code.  That number is possible and actually seems a bit light...but not by an order of magnitude.  Remember too that this is just the front end.  When you interface with every .gov entity out tbere from the IRS to the freakin Peace Corps;  you might get to their number in total.  But yeah, misleading I'd say. 

This thing is enough of a Cluster without exaggerating.  Enough so that they can't get this glitch-free by November 30.  I can't believe they boxed themselves in like that.  They just doubled-down on the incomptence by doing that.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:52 | 4099934 Manthong
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Don’t forget the White House Chef’s iPad with the 10,000 halal recipe variants for whipping up succulent roast taxpayer L’Arabique.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:48 | 4100101 JLee2027
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Just the testing alone of 5 million lines of code should take years. Did they do that? Of course not.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:11 | 4099795 InvalidID
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 450k lines of code each day for 3 years for how many people? 500 Indian kids could do it in under a year.... Seriously though, you don't think they sub'd out the work to 50 different companies, all writing code at the lowest bid?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:01 | 4099957 CPL
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That's because 9 women can have a baby in a month also because good, fast and cheap is possible all at the same time? 

Says so right here in all these Project Management books.  It's gotta be true obviously.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:33 | 4100059 Raging Debate
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ICahn - Monkeys with typewriters and law of averages.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 00:26 | 4100346 sleepingbeauty
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The chart does not say, newly created code. What it says is "APPARENT size of website". So that size is gonna include pics and videos and forum. And it is going to include a LOT of code from other stuff. It's gotta have a database -- a HUGE database (both the code to create said database and the data sitting in said database is included) -- some sort of CMS code and all sorts of other stuff. Not to mention the thousands of IF, SELECT and CASE statements to handle the myriad of different situations people are in. It probably has to be hooked up to existing databases with social security numbers and tax situations. 

I don't think it is a mloc of code as other systems define it but it is a shit-tonne and it is overly complex. And just to be clear, any time someone claims to be the best or most experienced at something it makes me think they are compensating.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:27 | 4100416 Manthong
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Still, 500 million lines - that does strain credulity.

But I hope it is true because it puts the whole boondoggle beyond salvation.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:49 | 4101544 sleepingbeauty
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But that is just it, it isn't that big. I think they are taking the size of the website (including pics and video and data) and then multiplying it by an arbitrary LOC/MB number. So any picture or video is assumed to be some number of lines per code. It is poorly designed comparison.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:45 | 4101058 Abaco
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The little fags first imported every faddish framework they could think off and all those lines of code are included in the total.  I never understood why so many Java coders would use something like Spring in their code just to avoid writing a simple SQL select statement.  They always spent more time screwing around trying to get their config files right than it would have taken to write select X from Y where W = Z.

Wed, 10/30/2013 - 17:47 | 4106567 hatchaser
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I'm a code tinkerer -- no training. Bare with me.

I started coding in basic when I was young. In college I learned to program a Turing Simulation. More recently I've fiddled with Visual Basic -- simple automation & database tools. Then on to C. I love the process of coding logic and self-contained tools that work consistently.

I'm really losing interest with all this object oriented stuff and referring to mysterious libraries, functions, attributes, etc. It seems that such a trend would temp programmers to fixate on using the latest & greatest object wo/ a full understanding of what they're implementing. Also, good old fashion logic is lost.

We world of computing we enjoy now wouldn't be possible without these advances, but I wonder if we're leaving the essence of coding behind.

Does this relate to your comment?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:17 | 4099813 Canadian Dirtlump
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Balls deep no lube first stroke, running start.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:29 | 4099652 johngaltfla
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HELLO! This is Sanjay, er, Peter from Reston, Virginia, how can I be of assitance with your Dell product? What, wrong script. Me bad.


How can I be of assitance with your database?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:48 | 4099712 Emergency Ward
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First, sir, and a very good day to you, I will need some of your extremely private information in order to verify your identity......

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:34 | 4099668 TaperProof
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To display that number on the web site took 7,862 lines of code.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:36 | 4099681 Crash Overide
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What a fucking joke all this is...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:43 | 4099699 Aeternus
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That chart is the scariest thing i've seen this halloween.


Well, maybe with the exception of this.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:06 | 4099771 unrulian
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That sir was an awesome fight..Diego is a cretin...but he isn't a pussy

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:21 | 4099825 EmmittFitzhume
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It's fucking bullshit. No website is written in compiler language. What the fuck is this 1979?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:01 | 4099956 Manthong
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Do you people have any idea how many square feet of computer floor in conditioned space it takes to accommodate keypunch stations for 10,000 monkeys cranking out Obamacare Code?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:35 | 4099879 Freddie
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Does anyone know a web site that has a list of software that is non-American aka non-Silicon Valley d**k sucking spy software?  Most American software companies now are NSA/Obama d**k sucking software companies.

I found a great browser not written by American d**k sucking spy software programmers. 

What is a good non-spy OS Puppy Linux?

I just want to get rid of all the Microsoft, Apple, Google, Mozilla and other spyware shit from Silicon Valley shit.  I just hate all the American software shit.

Also non-USA hosting and non-USA cloud storage and anything non-USA spy shit.

Thanks for any suggestions.  

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:48 | 4099923 Rusty Shorts
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Richard Stallman Talks About Ubuntu

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:23 | 4099632 HedgeAccordingly
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lol - sign me up - maybe corporations should start paying taxes? 

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:24 | 4099636 icanhasbailout
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jesus fucking christ

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:28 | 4099653 nmewn
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Maybe they should just stick with giving their favored cronies no bid contracts for building roads & bridges ;-)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:53 | 4099733 Hulk
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My drop dead gorgeous fortran professor from India (whose armpits stunk to high heaven) could have coded this thing in a hundred lines !!!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:00 | 4099754 nmewn
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I don't know whether to be impressed or dry heave ;-)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:05 | 4099775 Hulk
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Trust me, you could have gotten past the pit smell!!!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:13 | 4099806 nmewn
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A little curry goes a long way as a deodorant? ;-)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:28 | 4099846 Hulk
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Rub some baking soda in those pits and let the fun begin !!!

Man did she have a body. No fucking wonder I didn't learn a thing in that class...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 22:53 | 4100117 Blano
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Get to the point.....did you get any??

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:34 | 4100225 Hulk
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just in my dreams...

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:31 | 4099863 Pure Evil
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Nothin' like a dog rollin' in stink.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 03:51 | 4100522 DelusionalGrandeur
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....that's Jesus H. Fucking Christ, don't ya know, his  middle name was Harold.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:24 | 4099639 nmewn
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"This is a big fucking deal man!"

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:07 | 4099781 MsCreant
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Joe, nmewn is going to kick your ass for posting on his account. You will need to do more than just show him your rifle.

OTOH I am impressed you hacked him... maybe you could give Obama a hand? 

[Clap, Clap, Clap]

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:18 | 4099815 nmewn
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lol...just one off Jill's balcony on ole Joe's account...but I still got one left.

I'm..."conservative" dontcha know ;-)

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:30 | 4099859 Hulk
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Just what in the fuck are you two talking about ??? First, the Janet Yellen-pig comparison and now this...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 01:29 | 4100156 Manthong
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"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed." .. "it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."

Did he mean in all 57 states?

Or was that three-letter word a 12 Gauge blow from Jill?

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 23:08 | 4100158 MsCreant
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Lipstick improves the appearance of the pig. Janet, not so much.


Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:39 | 4099892 Freddie
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****ing Indian software spaghetti crap coding.   Millions of lines of code that is probably incomprehensible with not notes in the code.  What a joke.  Obama's mammy (wife's) friend works for the company.  100 million lines off code a free curry dinner for two. 

I am done with American spyware from Silicon Valley and also any Indian crap software.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:25 | 4099642 lenitivelea
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Seems efficient.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:27 | 4099646 SokPOTUS
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5,000,000 lines of code at $100 a pop.  Ka-ching!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:33 | 4099662 LetThemEatRand
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Those extra few million lines of code aren't searching for better health care options.  Bitchez.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:32 | 4099663 medium giraffe
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'APPARENT' size.  It's actually just 14 lines of really bad code containing an infinite recursion.

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 20:40 | 4099689 nmewn
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So, just like the 800 number then, referring everyone back to the website, that is broke.

Fixed and Forward!!!

Mon, 10/28/2013 - 21:43 | 4099905 Freddie
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It is really just a simple VB program where you type in all your information and it comes back with "hello world!"

What a joke.  Even programmers from Detroit programmer trade schools, with ex-rappers trying to get their lives back on track, could do a better job.  

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