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Obama Knew Most Americans Would Not Be Able To Keep Their Existing Insurance Under Obamacare As Early As 2010

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The news keeps going from worse to worse-er for the administration and Obamacare. The latest hit, however, does not revolve around the dysfunctional website, whose hundreds of millions of lines of faulty code will take a very long time to fix, but relates to Obama's promises that individuals would be able to keep their existing healthcare plans following the rollout of the Affordable Care Act. The truth, as NBC reports, is they can't but what's worse is that Obama knew as early as July 2010 that 40 to 67 percent of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And that's not all: since the 14 millions consumers who buy their insurance individually will be forced into comparable plans, they are all set to experience a "sticker shock" when "opting" for the mandatory alternatives.

From NBC:

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.


Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

The reason for the sticker shock: mandatory cadillac plan replacements:

Individual insurance plans with low premiums often lack basic benefits, such as prescription drug coverage, or carry high deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. The Affordable Care Act requires all companies to offer more benefits, such as mental health care, and also bars companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions.

Obama, it turns out, knew all about this:

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered. 


Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.” 


That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Enter the lies:

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”


“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said  Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

The White House was ready with a canned response:

Nothing in the Affordable Care Act forces people out of their health plans: The law allows plans that covered people at the time the law was enacted to continue to offer that same coverage to the same enrollees – nothing has changed and that coverage can continue into 2014,” she said.


White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the president’s promise that consumers would be able to keep their health care. “What the president said and what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act to create minimum standards of coverage, minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide,” Carney said. “So it's true that there are existing healthcare plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and therefore do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act.”

But the reality is always different:

Other experts said that most consumers in the individual market will not be able to keep their policies. Nancy Thompson, senior vice president of CBIZ Benefits, which helps companies manage their employee benefits, says numbers in this market are hard to pin down, but that data from states and carriers suggests “anywhere from 50 to 75 percent” of individual policy holders will get cancellation letters. Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, who chairs the health committee of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, says that estimate is “probably about right.” She added that a few states are asking insurance companies to cancel and replace policies, rather than just amend them, to avoid confusion.


A spokesman for America's Health Plans says there are no precise numbers on how many will receive cancellations letters or get notices that their current policies don’t meet ACA standards. In both cases, consumers will not be able to keep their current coverage.


Those getting the cancellation letters are often shocked and unhappy.

In other words, nobody is kicked out of their existing plan... they just can't keep it. Teleprompted semantics at its absolute best, or worst.

Finally, a case study in socialist failure:

George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was "perfectly happy" with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The "comparable" plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.


And the best option he’s found on the exchange so far offered a 415 percent jump in premium, to $948 a month.


"The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable."


"I'm sitting here looking at this, thinking we ought to just pay the fine and just get insurance when we're sick," Schwab added. "Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not, but that's fixable. That's just the tip of the iceberg. This stuff isn't fixable."

It isn't, but who cares? By the time the realization that micromaganging anything and everything always fails, it will be someone else's problem.


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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:01 | 4100762 GetZeeGold
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Barry would lie to us? That really hurts!


Say it ain't so Joe...err....I mean Barry!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:11 | 4100798 Croesus
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Just MOAR proof that Obama is NOT acting in ANYONE'S best interests, EXCEPT his bosses...who aren't us... 

(But don't think this is a Red Team vs. Blue Team post...NONE of them, are even worth the lizard sperm they were created with)... 


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:18 | 4100819 economics9698
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Obama doesn’t know shit.  He reads a teleprompter and believes in bull shit.  He does not think deep enough to understand ulterior motives or unintended consequences.  Tell him something and he will believe it.  Tell him something five minutes later different and he will believe it.  He has the mentality of a 4th grader.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:23 | 4100831 negative rates
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His face needs to be put on a 3 dollar bill at this point.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:39 | 4100862 krispkritter
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 "This is a big fucking deal..."  Great deal for insurers.  Great deal for the MSM who try and ride the Magic Obama Carpet.  Great deal for Obama who wanted to make history for helping the 'poor'.  Not so great deal for the Serfs.  Nice to see the MSM start to eat their own though, pikers.  Damage is done though. Everyone I hear talking is blaming the Repubs for the 'ceiling' and O'Care so Barry will probably get a pass on immigration which is just another nail in the cofffin.  He'd have to eat a live baby on the WH lawn to get more than 3 MSM outlets to write about it. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:50 | 4100903 Atlas_shrugging
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We have to pass this bill so we can see what's in it.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:00 | 4100933 Ignatius
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As in, 'we need to eat all these unknown mushrooms to find out if they're toxic'.

And Pelosi still has a job and a following, for Christ's sake.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:04 | 4100945 smlbizman
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if you were paying attention, you also would have known this info in '10....

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:12 | 4100963 onewayticket2
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So wait.

does this mean i'm NOT a "racist" and i dont "want old people to die!" and "children to starve"?


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:25 | 4100993 GetZeeGold
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Looks that way.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:38 | 4101036 SWRichmond
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The deductible is less," he said, "But the plan doesn't meet my needs. Its unaffordable.

As with all laws emanating from Washington, "newspeak" is the standard which must be understood.  As with the "Patriot" Act, clearly the most anti-liberty anti-patriotic thing yet done, the name tells us what we need to know.

The "affordable care act" is unaffordable.  Exactly so, and we already knew it would be.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:41 | 4101281 RockyRacoon
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Don't know 'bout you, but I just don't need another minutiae-picking article about how lying and thieving my government is.   It's a dead horse that no amount of beating will revive.   Uncle Sam has become the scorpion and I expect treatment no less commensurate with that temperament.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:51 | 4101321 12ToothAssassin
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Its never a good sign when people are saying of you "What did he know and when did he know it"

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:01 | 4101372 The Juggernaut
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Whats the issue?!  The Supreme Court already ruled this is all Constitutional!!!   (Sarc-tastic)

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:02 | 4101378 Fish Gone Bad
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There has never been a better time to lose weight and get into shape.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:54 | 4101572 Manthong
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Sound familiar?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:41 | 4101283 ejmoosa
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Special thanks goes to the American Media, for without their help, these lies would have been aired well before the 2012 election.



Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:14 | 4100971 Ignatius
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"if you were paying attention..."

What the fuck are YOU talking about?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:29 | 4101225 Smiddywesson
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You didn't write anything off base, so I think he meant:  "If one were paying attention.." 

He pronouned your ass by mistake?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:00 | 4101100 Joe Davola
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And if you have any common sense at all, it was obvious from the moment the members of the New Know Nothing Party started it out as "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009"

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:34 | 4101241 4 wheel drift
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As in, 'we need to eat all these unknown mushrooms to find out if they're toxic'.

And Pelosi still has a job and a following, for Christ's sake.

indeed....    that will give you the depth of blatant criminality of the politicians and the idiocy and mental retardation of their followers......

quite an adversary to overcome.....  add the gov. workers, and the F$A....   voting these crooks out won't be easy....  opportunity cost must be considered


out of USA a much better option.....

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:37 | 4101271 muleskinner
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We need to eat the whole shit sandwich to find out what's in it.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:56 | 4102136 Kobe Beef
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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:53 | 4101827 SkottFree
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Atlas_shrugging  The irony is after they passed it they have yet to read it!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 14:02 | 4102161 kchrisc
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In my humble opinion there was a guillotine in it.

Wed, 10/30/2013 - 03:14 | 4101586 SeattleBruce
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"Everyone I hear talking is blaming the Repubs for...O'Care..."

Exactly how are those dots connected?  OK, Bush signed prescrip drugs...but how else?  OK, back to Dancing and Idol...idiots...(and no, this isn't a 'red' team post.)

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:34 | 4100863 Herd Redirectio...
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"Everybody's worried about whether the website works or not," 

This reminds me of the "debt ceiling debacle" when the debt ceiling was really the last of anyone's worries, its the debt and deficit and unfunded liabilities that are the problem.

Amazing how the media consistently gets it wrong, hm?

The debate is always framed for us.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:52 | 4100908 kridkrid
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Except this article from NBC isn't about the website, it's about lying, which is pretty shocking. Not shocking that the lying was happening and that it was completely absurd... shocking that NBC is calling it out for what it is. NBC!!! Which makes me wonder what's next. For a long time I've felt that our next fascist leader in our long line of fascist leaders will be a pendulum swing of epic proportions once the worm turns and Obama is crucified. It's all theater, mind you, none of it is real.

I thought Dick C's comments over the weekend were telling. We are going to be sold the need for our next leader to recreate fear in our adversaries while fixing the economic mess at home, starting with healthcare. He'll get the trains to run on time, so to speak. It's the next guy who scares me. Don't know who it is yet. Doesn't matter.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:22 | 4100983 onewayticket2
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why didnt NBC release this story two weeks ago?'s from think they JUST got this info yesterday?  NO WAY.

why now, AFTER calling ted cruz who was warning about obamacare's problems, a "terrorist" and other choice words?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:37 | 4101038 kridkrid
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I'm only speculating, which is what makes thinking fun when you are willing to take off the blinder of one side being good and the other side being evil... but why? Because Obama Care must fail and fail marvelously. Ted Cruz doesn't care about you... he's an actor. His wife is a Goldman Sachs, CFR member. Ted Cruz is most likely some sort of controlled opposition. NBC doesn't care about you either. They don't run the story to protect the little guy or expose the "truth" unless the "truth" can help to advance a cause. The "truth" is a means to an end, just like a lie. There is not difference for a sociopath.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:44 | 4101057 onewayticket2
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i know nbc isnt looking out for me.  Ted Cruz may not be either....but at least he is advocating to keep some power in MY hands vs nancy pelosi or obama's....or, in this case, Sebilius'.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:09 | 4101144 kridkrid
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But is he really doing that? IMO, Ted Cruz's role is to keep people like you engaged in the theater. He provides you with the "hope" that one side is looking out for your best interests. This way, the next election/charade can be tilted in one direction or another. They need you. I think about all my well intended liberal friends who supported Obama because they felt we needed to reset our foreign policy... our war-mongering, nation-building, petro-dollar backed imperialism had to end. Obama provided them with that way out. Of course, we hit the accelerator in all of those areas, right? Yet a majority of Americans mostly believe in charade. They buy some of what I say, but mostly chalk this sort of talk up to "conspiracy theory".

Ted Cruz is a fraud. They are all. It's how they get funded to run for office.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:20 | 4101197 dick cheneys ghost
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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:22 | 4101202 pods
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Nice to see this here again kk. 

Thank you.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:29 | 4101234 bread n circuses
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I'd give MOAR green to kridkrid if'n I could.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:47 | 4101311 4 wheel drift
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I think about all my well intended liberal friends who supported Obama because they felt we needed to reset our foreign policy... our war-mongering, nation-building, petro-dollar backed imperialism had to end. Obama provided them with that way out. Of course, we hit the accelerator in all of those areas, right?


laugh or cry ?   your "well intended liberal friends" are a bunch of IDIOTS, because to support this fraud, a muslim, fascist, liar has turned out to be equivalent to cuting off both your arms because your one fingernail was infected with flesh eating viruses.....

i am not supporting the war mongering, etc, etc....  but THIS ?   pathetic, not only they were lied to...  it showed their lack of critical thinking by not questioning the parroting acts of this son of a whore....then again.....

“All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes…”    hl mencken 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:02 | 4101376 kridkrid
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Your acute observation is only valid if you 1. didn't vote for Bush, 2. Didn't vote for McCain, 3. Didn't vote for Romney or if you have decided to not vote at all. I'm a fan of the final option, but any 3rd party would do.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:14 | 4101414 4 wheel drift
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did not vote.

as i have said before....   the on going charade needs to be terminated....  it is the ONLY real solution...

any other "proposal" that does not include the termination of the FED, and a total restrain of gov. spending to only the absolute necessities, without the on going pork, imperail expansion, and on, and on, and on.....  (which realistically speaking, it will never happen).....  UNTIL  the US Dollar is dethroned as reserve currency, and as the currency used for general commerce, and above all...  oil trade....  until then...  the federal reserve and the government of crooks will continue to fuck us all....  (across the globe)

mencken was clear...  and what has been going on in the recent gov's. is just an explosion of the blatant criminal behavior of these tyrants....


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:19 | 4101426 g speed
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thank you

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:04 | 4101130 chubbar
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I'm with you Krid. When the MSM starts turning on someone they were previously supporting you know something is in the works. I also agree with your concern about the next guy. Remember that this cycle normally ends with a hitler type person in office that rules by decree, not very dissimilar to what is going on with Obama and his PO's.

I don't trust anyone that closely tied to the CFR (cruz) even if he is talking a good game. We've seen this show before.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:04 | 4101578 Meat Hammer
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Nah, TPTB have told the media to say whatever the fuck they want because Great Depression 2.0 is unstoppable now, so who really cares?  The next leader won't matter because the .01% will own everything.  They'll let us have all the freedom and liberty we could ever ask for as the masses beg for crusts of bread at the gates of their mansions.

If the MSM is finally telling the truth, shit is about to get ugly.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:40 | 4102068 Froman
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You are directly on point...NBC isn't even a news organization it is Comcast Cable who would do anything for a buck. Of all the MSM these bastards lie and edit tape to spin stories more than any of them.   The entire MSM media is full of crap top to bottom:

  • NBC's senior political editor Mark Murray's wife Sasha Johnson is an Obama political appointee and was a former producer at CNN. His ex-wife was an Obama political appointee as well,
  • ABC News Senior Correspondent Claire Shipman is married to White House Press Secretary Jay Carney
  • CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to Hillary Clinton's Dep Sec. Tom Nides
  • CBS News President David Rhodes brother Tom Rhodes is the Senior Obama official that changed the Benghazi talking points.
  • ABC News Predsident Ben Sherwood's sister Elizabeth Sherwoord is a special advisor in the Obama Administration

So is it really any wonder with all of that nepotism going on that the public never gets a straight story out of the MSM? With siblings and spouses scattered thoughout the dung heap protecting each others paychecks and spinning the Obama is a god message to the sheople.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:45 | 4102087 object_orient
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Well done. Thanks for connecting the dots.

People get lazy and just blame Obama for everything. There's a huge gov./media apparatus at work and the individual players should be named as often as possible.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:26 | 4101193 El Oregonian
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The reason why their saying anything at all is because now that Barry is a lame duck and that nothing will be done now and that he'll retire. So, now these miscreants in the MSM are now scurrying to resurrect their shredded trustworthiness and want to cut their mooring rope to this sinking ship that will not be useful to their survival anymore.

Hence, the sudden realization and reporting of the corruption of Barry's Administration.

Sorry assholes, I do not forget. Quite frankly, You're also DONE...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:24 | 4101210 SteveGennisonBa...
Tue, 10/29/2013 - 14:42 | 4101525 Urban Redneck
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Let me see if I got this straight, given a single legislative text, which was published in 2009, a bunch of dumb ass rednecks and teabaggers figured out- in a manner of weeks, that a bunch of people were going to lose insurance and prices were going to go up. The intellectual hoy-poloy looks at the same document and it takes them 4 YEARS to arrive at the same conclusion that the people that they denigrate as inferior arrived at in 4 WEEKS.

Congratulations MSM, not only are you intellectually inferior to those you despise, but given the scale of that deficit between yourselves and the average person, it is highly unlikely (given Moore's Law) that you could rise even to the level of mediocre cranial processing capacity within your expected lifetime.

Unless, of course, there is another (unspoken) reason for the delay, like keeping the field niggers from wandering off the plantation... but since you would never admit to that- you can just suck it up and choke on the opposition's superiority, and be damn thankful that they're not actual teabaggers.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:27 | 4100998 max2205
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NBC would never step on Barrys dick

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:43 | 4100888 BandGap
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Obama and people like him think they see the "big picture" and know what's best for all. You can talk until you're blue in the face and they won't budge an inch. They lie with impunity for "the greater good". Prepare accordingly.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:56 | 4100915 Kinskian
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That's right, and they're lying about immigration reform too. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:14 | 4101412 ZippyDooDah
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Obama knows he's lying. Anything else is bull shit.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:12 | 4101941 CuttingEdge
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I equate Obama to that role played by Samuel L Jackson in Django.

DiCaprio plays the MIC, the plantation slaves are representative of the US tax serf populace, and Jackson plays the "house nigga" - shafting the masses to keep his master happy...a role Obama has played so well since his inauguration.

That analogy aside, in 5 years what has he achieved?

US debt at $17 trillion and heading north rapidly.

Food Stamp recipients at 48 million.

ObamaDrone world-wide (in)discriminate policing?

Foreign policy? On that he's more hilarious than watching This is Spinal Tap after a serious spliff (and that is going some!). Like a real life Mr Bean of the political world finding himself in the top job and then unable to stop fucking everything up that he meddles in. Was never a Bean fan but Obomination's arrogance and ego make his self-ridicule great entertainment.

He is an embarrassment to his country (Kenya or USA, take your pick - could be either).

Two positives though:

The rich got richer (only a positive if you are in that bracket)

Secondly, and particularly beneficial to the majority who frequent this site, by his actions of massive intimidation re foreign governments harbouring a fugitive more American than himself (assuming he isn't Kenyan) he authenticated Ed Snowden - a gift which just keeps on giving (and humiliating Obamination more with every revelation). Keep up the good work Ed!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:25 | 4100839 BlueCollaredOne
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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:19 | 4101195 Running On Bing...
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And in the mean time, moar control apparatus for our existing lizards so the goy can be herded into the gas chambers with ease.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:52 | 4100909 doctor10
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Inquiring minds would like to know if O'care covers the mayhem to the serfs caused by "Homeland Security" intervening on the non-compliant?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:59 | 4100930 kralizec
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1-800-FUCKYO(U)!  Says it all!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:56 | 4101090 ghostfaceinvestah
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The plan all along was to make health insurance in this country so messed up that the masses would be begging for a single payer (i.e. government) system.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:46 | 4101801 lex parsimoniae
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Have to agree with this assessment.



The current headline is; '1.5 million policies cancelled! '

Result: 1.5 million people paying zero premiums.

I know insurance companies have serious reserves but even they can't survive income hits like this for very long.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:25 | 4101214 SAT 800
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Romney; "The first day I'm Preisdent I'll repeal Obamacare"; but oh no; couldn't have that, could we. Romney's a bad person, romney will bomb someone, etc. etc. He's a normal human being with no weirdness in his background; but you clever monkeys had it all figured out, didn't you? Cry for your own stupidity.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:38 | 4101274 Herd Redirectio...
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WTF?  Romney's a billionaire.  He's a part of the Club.  Obama is just on a revokable annual membership.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:50 | 4102108 object_orient
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Romney would have repealed Obamacare and introduced Romneycare - same result. Keep chasing your tail though. The Republicans will fix everything next time....

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:04 | 4101379 rubiconsolutions
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< ------ I plan on practicing civil disobedience and not sign up for Obamacare in any way, shape or form.

< ------ Eventually I'll cave in and just go with the flow even though it's against my better judgement.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:58 | 4100763 RSloane
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You mean Obama actually knew something?!?! Stop the presses!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:05 | 4100772 Stuart
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Lying about obamacare, spying on its own people, erosion of civil liberties, fast track to insolvency, Washington in total gridlock...yup, there's change you can believe in. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:14 | 4100805 outamyeffinway
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45%+/- still approve of Obamer.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:24 | 4100836 quasimodo
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Those 45% apparently have not tried to sign up for ACA or been booted off thier plans. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:25 | 4100990 indygo55
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Or had their SNAP card shut down.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:03 | 4100938 Er Wang Dong
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Yeah, the "We're gettin' free shit" brigade...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:13 | 4100970 onewayticket2
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49% of Americans received benefit$ from the obama admin. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:32 | 4101013 Max Cynical
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"45%+/- still approve of Obamer"

When you have "108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs" plus the 25 million government employees...oh and the "49,901,000 people who received Social Security benefits, 46,440,000 who received Medicare benefits, 5,098,000 on unemployment, and 3,178,000 who received non-means-tested veterans compensation", it isn't hard for me to get to a 45% approval rate...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:51 | 4101072 Herd Redirectio...
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Turn off the foodstamps, turn off Monday Night football, turn off Dancing with the Stars, and I give this House of Cards less than 72 hours before its FUBAR.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:06 | 4100781 Headbanger
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+++10,000!!   LMFAO!!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:20 | 4100822 duo
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I'm amazed NBC actually broke this story.  MSNBC today might actually be worth watching as they make excuses for O.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:59 | 4100932 NoDebt
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This is just clearing the decks so it doesn't come out closer to the elections.

Remember the Beghazi, AP Press and IRS scandals from earlier this year?  Where are they now?  Nowhere.  Swept aside and largely forgotten by more recent scandals.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:28 | 4100999 kridkrid
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There is no next election for Obama, however. So you need to think about this from the "what comes next" POV. Now if you happen believe that what we are presented in the R vs. D theater is real, that there are opposing teams at conflict, representing different POV's and different constituencies, then you might be right. But if you think it's all just theater, that our leaders serve the interests of the .01%, that they take their marching orders from handlers and that what we see and how what we see is framed for us is loosely scripted, then there are lots of ways this could play out. Time will tell, I suppose.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:41 | 4101050 James-Morrison
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Yes, but this "shit fall" keeps flowing. We are in year one of a three year roll out. Year after year more sheeple and Obama fanboys will face the same cancellation, higher premiums and lies.

Expect more and more people to be shocked when they realize that Obama is really ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 07:59 | 4100764 King_of_simpletons
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So what, he is not the first president to lie. American people are insane by the same Einstein's definition to keep voting for Democrats and Republicans and expecting a different outcome each time.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:26 | 4100785 GetZeeGold
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Good call.....the not the first line of defense is almost in-penetrable.


Hey look....lots of other people have screwed a lot of other people before we ever got here.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:18 | 4100804 HelluvaEngineer
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I agree with you on red team / blue team, but if Americans are guilty of anything, it's being too trusting.  I my little bits of anecdotal evidence, the older people are, the less they can conceive of their government hurting them.  They truly believe we're the country that freed the world.  Why would the gov't now be targeting its citizens?  Unfortunately this is a large block of people who consistently turn out to vote, vote for the lesser of two evils, and then lecture me about "working within the system".

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:35 | 4100865 Rip van Wrinkle
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It's nothing to do with trust. It's all to do with brainless tw*ts who are only too happy for some schmuck to do everything for them whilst they gaze into their f*ckin' iphones and start thumbing some inane message whilst at the same time watching X Factor on one screen and Dancing on Ice on the other.


Brian dead. These tw*ts deserve evrything they get. And they're gonna get it.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:33 | 4101247 Dingleberry
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Not brainless. GREEDY.

Just like the guys at the top, the 47% "wants mines".

True they are enslaving themselves for a few bucks a month. But that is what people and even wild animals do:

always looking for the easy (or free) way out.

Keep feeding them, and they will come. To the voting booth that is.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:43 | 4101296 Herd Redirectio...
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The sad thing is, they actually think they would be worse off, if taxes were lower, if the government was smaller.   Or if they actually had to work for a living.  So the very uncertainty means they want to retain the status quo.  Just the fact that the path from living on food stamps back to being able to support yourself is unclear, means people are by and large unwilling to tread that path (i.e. consider anything other than the status quo).

Food stamps are just a blip on the gov'ts budget, the real graft and cronyism is found in the rest of the budget!

Someone should do a calculation of how much Bernanke is stealing from hardworking Grandmas and Grandpas (through ZIRP) and compare that to the amount the US gov't spends on food stamps. 


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:03 | 4101381 Dingleberry
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Food stamps cost FAR more than what you see on a budget line.

Having grown up in (and subsquently having to move from) an enlightened liberal oasis, I can tell you that paying people to fuck and breed indescriminantly while penalizing them (i.e. taking away their food stamps) if they get married absolutely destroyed the social fabric of my former area, and will do so eternally. So calculate the cost of crime, failing schools, lower RE, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

But at least there are a solid block of voters now.

I agree with your fed corruption. But the fed isn't (literally) robbing or raping me in my home.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 14:10 | 4102194 Kobe Beef
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Mandate Depo-Provera and Vasectomies prior to receipt of any State benefits. It's the humane and cost-effective alternative to government dysgenics programs.



Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:38 | 4101275 Smiddywesson
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Absolutely.  I've had it up to here with the Greatest Generation crap that we constantly hear.  They were the worst generation in the history of the world.  They meddled in foreign affairs, engaged in constant warfare, created the welfare state, bankrupt us, and allowed the NWO to destroy our currency and enslave us.  Now that it's too late, they've left us with an ineffective voting process that can't make a difference and they are lauding themselves for their actions and blaming us for ruining the country.  F off and die already you narcissist bums.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:15 | 4100810 Dick Buttkiss
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One more time: "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." — Emma Goldman

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 12:16 | 4101315 Dick Buttkiss
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While the down-voter is in the extreme minority here on Zero Hedge, the sad truth is that he is in the extreme majority when it comes to Americans as a whole.

Retuning to the polls time after time and expecting a different result (than ever-larger, more intrusive, more costly government) is the very definition of sheeple, in fact, and merely signals that when all hell finally breaks loose, he and his fellow farm animals will beg for a Supreme Shepherd to herd them to safety.

But of course it will be to slaughter instead.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 14:59 | 4102401 Chewybunny
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Or the belief that it is the other guys' fault and not mine own...The American people are by and large sick of everyone in congress, polls indicate. But they consistantly vote for their own guy. This is generally due to miriad of reasons, all of w hich have more or less to do with a particular district. However, the over-all result is the same; my guy is okay, it's all the rest of them that are the bad guys.


When you go to vote you have a clear agenda. Most of the time that agenda has to do with you voting for a candidate  that you feel best represents either your ideology, or has some sort of monetary gain for you. People aren't sheeple, they are people, and for a vast 99% of people, "I (or mine) come first" mentality far surpasses "What is best for everyone".


It's synical to assume that people are sheeple. Bitch and complain about the status quo, and do absolutely nothing about it than belittle those around them for not acting, or not participating in an action (such as voting) in the ideal way.

How many of you could have gotten up and voted for a third party candidate but didn't because you're so synical and jaded about the political system here? Imagine if someone like Johnson got 5% of the popular vote in an election. Imagine that number growing to 6 or 7% in the next election. That w ould scare the living bajesus out of the status quo and they would do everything they can to stiffle that - I know, but this isn't the 1980s, or 90s. This is the 2010s, with the world wide web, global communications, it's hard to keep that shit constantly hidden.


I have never seen a better time for libertarian, indeed any third party platform to start interceding in our c urrent political arena. With all the mass-communication and technology we have available - yet time and time again I am forced to read these cynical and jaded comments.


It's an opportunity that I am seeing is collectively being slipped away, for many seemingly justifiable reasons...But it's only seemingly.


Then again, I may be a blind optimist.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 18:04 | 4102924 Dick Buttkiss
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"How many of you could have gotten up and voted for a third party candidate but didn't because you're so synical and jaded about the political system here?"

I'm afraid you don't understand. Our vaunted experiment in federative government has ended in centralism that is rushing headlong into outright totalitarianism.  Voting at all perpetuates a statist quo that will only make matters worse when reality finally has its way with what our "representatives" and those who control them have done to us.

It's over, in other words, because America as we once knew it (even if it was a lie from the start, a mere extension of the conquest and subjugation that had been going on for centuries), is dead and gone.

And you will be, too, if you don't get yourself and your loved ones out of the way of what's to come.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:19 | 4100821 slotmouth
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I hate that Einstein definition of insanity.  That is not the definition of insanity.  There are many things that when repeated will eventually yield different results.  That strategy has been the basis of all of my best investments. By this definition, the investors who bought credit default swaps and continually lost money for years before the housing crisis were insane.  However,  anyone who votes D or R is a criminal.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:25 | 4100991 Zero Point
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Er... Dropping a hundred bucks on 00 100 times in a row is NOT repeating the same action.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:54 | 4100914 TheInfoman
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Thanks for lowering the bar. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:02 | 4100768 g'kar
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Single payer will fix all this. After all, monopolies always insure competitive pricing.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:08 | 4100791 GetZeeGold
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What about people that don't like marxism?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:10 | 4100794 g'kar
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Sarcasm is such a subjective thing. Guess in this case i should have used the /s.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:20 | 4100799 GetZeeGold
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I actually wasn't being sarcastic. If you were I'm sorry...but a lot of freaks out that actually think that's right.

They'll do anything to make it happen.....obviously including lying.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:03 | 4100941 Henry Hub
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***What about people that don't like marxism?***

So allowing a few large health insurance companies (part of the health insurance cartel) to skim billions off of the health care system with out returning any value is saving us from Marxism? I think I'm going to take another look at Marxism.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:33 | 4101017 HardlyZero
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Its probably not the "ism"s...its just people want free stuff.

Just read the single IT UK health system (web system) is being scrapped after 10 years and billions wasted.

They could never get the various pieces across the country to work with a single system/database.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:01 | 4101114 Chief KnocAHoma
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Silly Rabit... trix are for kids..

Think back to the time when the lobbying for this fist fucking was mainstream. The insurance companies lined up behind it because Obama told them he was going to drive customers to them through the exchanges...

Then... whoops... the exchanges don't fucking work... so I guess we'll have to go to single payer... fuck you insurance companies... Obama just check mated you you stupid greedy saps... and we the people are gona get fist fucked next.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:04 | 4100771 dobermangang
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2009: "Good news, Son!  Under Obamacare, you can stay on my health insurance policy until you're 26 years old."

2013: "Bad news, Son!  Our insurance policy just got cancelled and we can't afford the new policy because of Obamacare."

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:40 | 4101278 Agent P
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"Also, it's about time you get a job and move out of the basement.  I love you, son!"

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:04 | 4100774 nantucket
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in order to "fix" it, the feds will have to control even more of healthcare.  see, that how it works.  next.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:43 | 4101031 HardlyZero
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So they will break millions of see how they work, and then build one big massive 'perfect' window.  If that massive 'perfect' window breaks we are all doomed.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:07 | 4100776 Quinvarius
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Obamacare does not work unless everyone is forced to participate in it.  There is no incentive for the young and healthy to subsidize the heavy medical users with higher premiums in Obamacare.  There is no reason for some 20 year old kid to even get insurance because he cannot be turned down for it after he develops a serious condition later.  It makes no sense to pay premiums before you are ill if they have to take you and cannot charge you more when you are determined to have an issue later.  Obamacare absolutely has to force participation to work.  Otherwise it is nothing but poor and sick people getting services they are not paying for.  I am not trying to be mean.  It is just economics.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:24 | 4100829 GetZeeGold
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Alaska just closed enrollment after three people signed up....not to worry...there's still 49 states left.


Someone bring me a cup of fat and the head of an ACA troll!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:11 | 4101404 Urban Redneck
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So more people in Alaska use the Zerohedge website than the Obamacare website?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 15:41 | 4102556 BlackChicken
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There are more Alaskans here than you might think.

I just read about the three people here that signed up and just lmao.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:25 | 4100838 duo
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even then it doesn't work.  Remember the study where 1% of the people use up 20% of health care, and the bottome 50% of the people use 2%?.  For statistical reasons, insurance companies have to assume that 10, maybe 15% of their customers are these potential "1% ers", meaning huge premiums and huge profits for the insurers that "chose wisely".

If you're going to do this, there has to be ONE insurance pool that everybody pays into, so that multiple insurers don't have to gouge just in case they get the short straw.

Next up: blaming the insurance companies for why we need single payer.  It's statistics, in reality.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:54 | 4101085 James-Morrison
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Ultimately taxes have to go up. The Obamacare taxes (or penalties) will not cover the shortfall when a critical mass of people are not in the pool.

The system at that point will be FUBAR, and the taxman enters the picture.

And after the money flows that's when America's finest red and blue teams really shine.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:32 | 4101244 duo
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let's say there are 100 people.  One person needs $200K a year for a cronic condition. 49 people need $3000 a year, and 50 people need $500 a year.  The total cost of caring for all 100 is $372K, or everthing is paid for at $3720 a year.  Not really fair for the bottom 50% right?

Now, let's say three insurance companies compete for these 100 people.  If they charge $3720 a year, the two companies that DON'T get the unlucky 1%'er will do pretty well, since they will get 33x$3720 = $123K in premiums, but only shell out an average of about $60K in bennies if they get a mix of the two larger groups.

The third insurance company would get stuck with $260K in costs on the same $123K in premiums.  Instant bankruptcy.

The insurers have to jack up premiums to reflect an almost CERTAINTY that they will get stuck with a 1%er, or risk going out of business.

Fatal flaw in this whole thing.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 14:19 | 4102235 Kobe Beef
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The biggest flaw is that Health Insurance and Health Care are two different things.

We need a competitive, free market in health care. We need prices and choices. Health Insurance is not the answer.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:46 | 4101307 MachoMan
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Taxes don't need to go up, rather the cost of medical service needs to go down...  the easiest way to do that is to quit subsidizing it...  no different than tuition.  Of course, that will upset the apple cart, but we've got that one coming anyway.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:28 | 4100848 negative rates
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Yea, plus life's a bitch and then you die before you can even get to hospital so that $600 will definity go toward my tuition or books or something better like a six pack every weekend and my chicks for free.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:34 | 4100864 pods
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That was it in a nutshell. I had a former co-worker who was big on this and used to argue with me about the benefits.

I simply said if it was so good, then why do you have to put a gun to my head to make it work?

If it actually was beneficial, people would flock to it.  Just another complicated way to rob Peter to pay for Paul's diabetes meds.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:36 | 4100872 Rip van Wrinkle
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Obamacare does not work. Period.


Come to the UK and see how a death service really runs. Every one else seems to come here.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:45 | 4100893 negative rates
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Well the collecting money part was supposed to work, but they couldn't even get that right.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 11:44 | 4101515 FreeNewEnergy
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Here's my plan, and mind you, I'm a part of the enormous Baby boomer demographic, 59, no kids, live alone, and I smoke, but that's another story. The two plans I saw a week BEFORE the Obamacare rollout were $1100 a month or $1300 a month, with, respectively, $5000 and $3000 deductibles.

I have been to a doctor three times since I was 30. Once for a hernia operation, once for a weird rash, once for a virus, needed antibiotics. Paid all but the hernia operation out of pocket. I was on health care coverage AFTER I got the hernia, though nobody knew. After six months, I got the operation. Basically, played my cards right. All the rest of the time of my 59 years, I had no health insurance. When I was a kid, my parents paid the doctor directly. Imagine that! Actually paying a service provider directly for services.

So, since I'm not going to shell out $15K to $18K a year just so I can pay for my first 3-5K of health care costs, I will have no insurance, keep fit, eat right, blah, blah. If I get really sick, like cancer or other major disease, I'll sign up, since they can't refuse me, right? Pony up the dough, get treatment and maybe not die. The other choice is to just handle it and eventually, I guess, die, which is a 100% certainty anyway, right.

My point is that if health insurance is so expensive, it's a burden, why bother. Just buy in when you need it. Pay cash for flus, viruses, etc. The savings, in my case, at least, are enormous.

Think about it. Over the past 30 years, my health care costs have been under $10000, most of that for the hernia operation, which, actually, I could have paid out of pocket, but chose to screw an insurance carrier instead, since it was cheaper. Average health care cost for healthy individuals should be about $200-500 a year, often less. Who needs this shit, anyhow?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:14 | 4101948 lex parsimoniae
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Thus clarifying the dilemma of the Marxists in the current 'transition stage': Too many still have the choice to act in their own best interest.

I believe TPTB are panicked right now, as the fog of lies begins to lift even the sheeple may begin to question authority.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:05 | 4100777 drendebe10
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Wut else would u expect from a pathological liar?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:05 | 4100779 All Out Of Bubblegum
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A thief was on trial by a jury of his peers in a small village. During the trial, he all but admitted to being guilty of the crime in question. The jury returned a "not guilty" verdict nonetheless. The judge asked the foreman why the jury acquitted the confessed thief.

"Your honor, we've known him all of our lives and he's a liar."

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:08 | 4100792 Headbanger
Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:15 | 4100809 All Out Of Bubblegum
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A scene from my daily life.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:07 | 4100783 ziggy59
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Of course he'll claim he didnt know about, didnt personally sign it, and Linda Green signed off on it...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:07 | 4100784 bullet
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November 1 obama plans to hold a press conference... obamacare will be renamed... Bushcare... and it will magically all be Bush's fault...

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:08 | 4100787 Obadiah
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oh big surpise, now how do we stop this shit NOW?

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:08 | 4100789 RiverDrifter
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No good, dirty liar.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:11 | 4100796 RyanW525
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More importantly...does the affordable health care act cover radiation poisoning from out of control nuclear reactors in Japan??

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:04 | 4101125 RaceToTheBottom
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All covered, just that the treatment plans leave something to be desired.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:11 | 4100802 Uncle Remus
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No shit.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:14 | 4100806 goldenbuddha454
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So they knew they would be intentionally inflicting pain on the American People due to their egotistical enforcement of their agenda.  If that's not an impeachable offense, then I don't know what is.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:39 | 4101044 Max Cynical
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It's called fraud!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:15 | 4100811 Professor Fate
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So exactly when does the left admit Obama is nothing more than a low life liar.  The minimum we should demand from our elected officials is integrity.  Obama continues to expose himself as the unwanted algae slime at the bottom of the cesspool.   The media needs to call him out as a "LIAR".  Instead they will say..."That's not true".  Bullshit.  He is a LIAR!  Plain and simple.  What a disgrace.  Viva la Cruz and the TEA!

Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button Max"

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:22 | 4101201 chubbar
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And let's take that thought to it's logical conclusion. Everyone who voted for this legislation either did so knowing the outcome was being lied about OR didn't read the legislation. Either way, they are all guilty of malfeasance or fraud against the american people. Therefore they are all impeachable and should be.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:16 | 4100812 dobermangang
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The Obamacare debacle is getting lots of negative attention in the liberal main stream media.  So what country will our Nobel Peace Prize winner attack next?  I'd be nervous if I was living in Iran.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:19 | 4100820 RSloane
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Liberal websites such as are urging their readers to refer to Obamacare as the Affordable Healthcare Act in order to separate the current debacle from the president. Yes, its going that well!

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:20 | 4100816 Dr. Engali
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Nobody will ever convince me that this guy isn't evil to the core. I hate to see where we are going to be three years from now. And the fucking repukes still get steam rolled by him.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:25 | 4100842 RSloane
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Half the country is on some type of welfare, from multi-generational welfare recipients to subsidies for our ever growing part-time work force.  I think they view Obama as a champion of their interests although the quality of life for them and others continuously drifts downward. There is no rational explanation for why the repukes keep getting steam rolled by him other than they fear the backlash from his supporters including our MSM.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:27 | 4100852 GetZeeGold
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Nobody will ever convince me that this guy isn't evil to the core


Barry knows Saul Alinsky.....and he teaches it. Yes we do have pictures of that....thanks for asking.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:31 | 4100857 Dr. Engali
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It is absolutely stunning to me that nobody will call this guy out for what he is doing. At some point in time the people of this country have to say "ENOUGH!" Or there isn't going to be a damn thing left.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:04 | 4100946 RSloane
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People don't care, Doc, as long as they think they are getting "what's owed them" simply because they exist. People are "owed" Obamaphones, the internet, EBT cards that they can sell for cash for drugs and other things, let alone the basics like food, shelter, and clothing. As long as they think they are getting their "fair share" they could give a shit if the system they are sucking dry collapses or not. This is particularly true for the other spectrum of welfare recipients - corporations. 

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:15 | 4100959 Dr. Engali
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Yeah I know Sloan. It's very frustrating that the 49% that is left supporting the system just bend over and take it.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:47 | 4101063 Miffed Microbio...
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People will never care because today because they are living simplistic lives of a Paramecium: food and sexual stimuli and phototaxis. They are unreachable at this point. The only thing they will understand is complete collapse. Hospitals with closed doors. Their Dr office with closed doors. Insurance plans cancelled. Drugs unaffordable. For profit hospitals will fall first. They were in dire straits before Obamacare. I'm convinced it was the plan to take out the last thread of "capitalism" in a truly socialistic system.

The next hope is a stampede toward government for solutions and the horrible truth what this means will be revealed. It is so depressing to be saying this for years and to be completely ignored. I'm at a point I just don't give a damn anymore.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:10 | 4101151 Dr. Engali
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You're not alone. There are many of us who warned about the same darn thing from the beginning and everybody thought we were crazy. What gets me is after all of this we are still being tuned out.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:24 | 4101211 Miffed Microbio...
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I'm beginning to see a pattern. These are the same people who install OnStar for safety and peace of mind. These are the people who turn on you when you vocalize your anger during airport security. " This inconvenience is for your own safety!" These are the same people who have drunk the Koolaid willingly that government has their interests in mind. It appears we are outnumbered and will suffer when their foolishness reaches its logical conclusion. Sadly I am losing my compassion.


Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:24 | 4100988 Everybodys All ...
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Whether you support either party should not come into play when the evidence is and the president stated openly his intentions of transforming the country to a Marxist ideal. It's really quite remarkable when you look back that so many people just did not see this coming.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 14:26 | 4102271 object_orient
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Where's this Marxist workers' paradise? High unemployment, part time jobs, low wages, free money for banks, record income inequality, record corporate profits, record stock market highs, forced participation in private health insurance.... Methinks this isn't Marxist at all. Some other word comes to mind. Starts with an "F."

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 09:55 | 4101086 Diogenes
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Don't forget the big banks, big pharma, big military contractors etc also subsidized by big government.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:26 | 4100845 Quinvarius
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You don't get to be the selected rich in a fascist/collectivist empire by fighting the government.

What Ayn Rand got wrong was that it was never the rich who would leave and start a new hidden functional community because of "looters".  The rich can only get rich in this environment by being the biggest looters.  It is the middle class that leaves and starts over.

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 10:23 | 4101203 Saro
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John Galt was an engineer at a company that built car engines.  Pretty solidly middle class.

And that's not even discussing all the super-wealthy assholes in the story that got their wealth by being the biggest looters (e.g. James Taggart).

Tue, 10/29/2013 - 08:37 | 4100867 negative rates
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Doesn't matter, every one is worse than the one before going back to that crook, Nixon? They are now just comming out with the 3 shooter theory for Kennedy's 50th anniversary. the book depository building shooter, the shooter behind the grassy knool, and one who shot film of the shooting from the book building and left the camera there to be seized and held as evidence in a crime which was destine to be covered up for some 50 years by your trusty gvt. Go figure, it will be on cbs some time between now and then.

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