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Germany Advises Journalists To Stop Using Google Over US Spying Concerns, May Ask Snowden To Tesity Against NSA

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The spat between the US and Germany is getting worse by the minute. Following yesterday's meaningless escalation by the Treasury accusing, via official pathways, Germany of being the main culprit for Europe's lack of recovery (and Germany's subsequent retaliation), it is Germany's turn now to refocus public attention on Big Brother's spying pathology when a union representing Germany's journalists advised its members earlier today to stop using Google and Yahoo because of the latest report implicating the NSA in eavesdropping on Google and Yahoo.

From Reuters:

"The German Federation of Journalists recommends journalists to avoid until further notice the use of search engines and e-mail services from Google and Yahoo for their research and digital communication," the union said in a statement.


It cited "scandalous" reports of interception of both companies' web traffic by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and Britain's GCHQ.


"The searches made by journalists are just as confidential as the contact details of their sources and the contents of their communication with them," said Michael Konken, head of the union which represents about 38,000 journalists. He said there were safe alternatives for both searches and email.

And while in the US having one's dirty laundry is almost perceived as a status symbol by a culture that encourages online exhibitionism via Facebook and other social media (so what if some bureaucrat in Virginia knows more than what is public), in Germany privacy is actually taken seriouysly.

The German government said last week it had evidence that Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone had been monitored by U.S. intelligence.


Government snooping is especially sensitive in Germany, which has among the strictest privacy laws in the world, since it dredges up memories of eavesdropping by the Stasi secret police in former communist East Germany.


Earlier this month, Deutsche Telekom said it wanted German companies to cooperate to shield local internet traffic from foreign intelligence services, although experts believe this could be an uphill battle.


In August, Deutsche Telekom and its partner United Internet launched an initiative dubbed "E-mail made in Germany" to protect clients' email traffic.

And in other news, it is increasingly looking likely that none other than Ed Snowden will be called to testify against the NSA in a German court of law. Germany's ARD reported that Snowden is willing in principal to help shed light on U.S. spying but outlined his complicated legal situation. As we noted earlier, German Greek politician Stroebele proposed possible safe conduct to Berlin, and granting Snowden a residence permit that would prevent extradition. Snowden attorney Anatoly Kutscherena earlier said he wouldn’t comment on alleged NSA spying on Angela Merkel.

Ironically, this follow news that Snowden would take a position with Russian Internet company Vkontakte, a local analogue to Facebook, to develop major website, according to his lawyer.

So if Obama was hoping that all the late summer scandals that have taken his reptuation to an all time low would at least push the NSA spying scandal away from the front page, he may need some additional fabricated and YouTube-validated false flag wars very soon.


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Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:27 | 4109896 kliguy38
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I'm callin' bullshit......these statist bastards have know this for years.....all noise

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:34 | 4109925 spine001
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I recently installed ghostberry at the advize of another zh member, thanks, there were like 7 or 8 services collecting information about what I do or don't in all my pc and macs, incredible, privacy is worth shit in the usa. I stopped using google search long time ago, but didn't know they were still tracking my every click illegally, I use keeps no history and is encrypted end to end.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:37 | 4109938 Cacete de Ouro
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Duckduckgo looks good on paper but search results are weak in my opinion... So it falls down on its results and is unworkable in my view

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:52 | 4109953 Ratscam
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try for better search results
or enigmabox or VPNs for flying under the radar.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:02 | 4110009 SilverIsKing
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These search engines should just piggyback off of Google while keeping the end user's identity obscure. Best of both worlds.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:37 | 4110112 The Alarmist
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"So if Obama was hoping that all the late summer scandals that have taken his reptuation to an all time low would at least push the NSA spying scandal away from the front page, he may need some additional fabricated and YouTube-validated false flag wars very soon."

Nah, the website is like one of those fire alarm boxes that has the sign, "Break glass in case of emergency."  The faithful minions at HHS will simply break the web-site a little more so that the clueless "loyal opposition" will spend another three or four weeks talking exclusively about that scandal.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:24 | 4110239 thisandthat
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startpage does exactly that, but the results aren't nowhere near the same, whatever the reason

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:22 | 4111447 Clycntct
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Go to the settings on the startpage and set your paramiters. and save.

by default it has some filtering set.

IXquick and start page. One uses google  and the other uses ? I can't remember but it gives you a big range between the 2.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:46 | 4109960 Ralph Spoilsport
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Try Wolfram Alpha. Enter plain language questions about almost anything.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:55 | 4109990 Ratscam
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type in "who am I", if the answer shows your approximate location, you know you,re flying within the radar.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:42 | 4111517 Atlasshruggedme
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I guess I am in China... Hmmmm... I win? or Lose?

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:46 | 4110289 putaipan
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as cool as it seems...has anyone ever gotten something usefull/simple out of wolfram? i dunno- sunspots vs the price of gold? the price of meat/your ol'lady? i've never been able to make it do anything productive. just askin'.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 23:14 | 4110708 Real Estate Geek
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Yeah, "The price of meat has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down!"

(Cosmik Debris)

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:03 | 4110186 gravedestruction
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"Duckduckgo looks good on paper but search results are weak in my opinion..."

So what am I to do now?

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:45 | 4109957 Ralph Spoilsport
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WTF is ghostberry?

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:48 | 4109968 0b1knob
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I think he means Ghostery.   Disconnect is good as well.  They are both extensions for google chrome.

The best search engine IMHO is ixquick which gives you most of the google results anonymously.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:53 | 4109984 seek
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Ghostery is available for FireFox as well.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:08 | 4110035 Dr. Destructo
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Ghostery? PFF.


Use Noscript and ABP.


Ghostery sells information to companies about what they block, so they aren't doing you any favors.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:10 | 4110040 Ralph Spoilsport
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Yeah, Ghostery I have heard of. I have Disconnect in Firefox already. Also use NoScript, AdBlock, Better Privacy, FaceBook Blocker and HTTPS Everywhere. ixquick sounds like the old Scroogle which sanitized Google searches for you. I start with DuckDuckGo and then go down the list until I have to use Google as a last resort.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:39 | 4110120 Running On Bing...
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Stick it to the MAN, Ralph!


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:34 | 4110244 Freddie
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Is a pretty good search engine - no spying.  You can also view the site you search through their proxy server.  The get no supeona's because they arhive no data.  Servers are in Holland and shitville spy scam Palo Alto.  F SiliCON Valley.

I want to get as far away as I can from O-NSA-Silicon Valley-Redmond shit software, clouds, social media shit like FacePlant, crappy OSs and other spy devices.  F them! is suppoedly working on some things as is John McAfee and others.

I hope the Europeans, Russians, Aussies and NZ'ers can come up with stuff to destroy the USA scum software and devices and spy hosted facilities.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:41 | 4110461 neevarp
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I think it is Ghostery - an addon for web browsers ..

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 03:44 | 4111066 ebear
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'WTF is ghostberry?"

 a new breakfast cereal?

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:24 | 4110240 putaipan
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@k38- yeah,  but i think it's offerring pretty good cover to the real hostilities taking place...

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:30 | 4109909 Deo vindice
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Historic times we be living in. Watching the free fall of a world power and the bastion of civil and religious liberties into something that is despised by all lovers of freedom and men of morals.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:44 | 4109997 DoChenRollingBearing
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It's all George Bush's fault!  

After all, Bush DID give Angela a neck massage...



Oh my, a minus one.  Should have added:


(Or are you just being a Halloween Boogieman?)

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:41 | 4110271 JohnnyBriefcase
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That was just the official downvote bot that rolls trough here daily. Don't take it personally.


edit: nevermind it seems someone actually took you seriously...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:23 | 4111866 StandardDeviant
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Wasn't me -- but I'm guessing someone really didn't appreciate that mental image.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:32 | 4109918 One And Only
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Stay on topic. Thanks.

I'm sure there will be bitcoin posts in the future.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:55 | 4110157 jbvtme
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get bent, fratboy.  was i talking to you?

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:04 | 4110190 quasimodo
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Probably not, but you managed to irritate the fuck out of the rest of us

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:26 | 4110243 putaipan
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ah c'mon man. i mean .... you're not even a modo!

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 23:14 | 4110709 msamour
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Actually you weren't talking, you were typing. :P

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:54 | 4109912 DoChenRollingBearing
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Germany takes a tough line!  Well, Peru cannot, no clout...

But, Peru has Germany beat when it comes to scenery, food and oddball cars...  I'll concede Germany is way ahead in bearings, LOL...

"More Peru Photos: Olloquito, Mountains, Vehicles, Bearings"

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:33 | 4109922 Cacete de Ouro
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So, what are alternative practical secure search and email options? Serious posts with no humor, sarcasm, one-upmanship welcomed

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:37 | 4109932 spine001
spine001's picture, but remember to install script blocker add ons and ghostberry or something similar to block spies applets installed in your machine that track you directly from your keyboard. I am running several right now and couldn't believe how many people were looking at everything I do. I am pist off big time.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:45 | 4109945 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Don't forget about LSO's commonly known as flash cookies. For firefox betterprivacy addon is essential to blocking them. Noscript is another good addon that shuts down all scripts running from a website. Note it will cause problems with certain sites especially commerce ones so use accordingly. And yes I know SSL can be exploited but use https as much as possible where you can another good addon that forces https connections so you don't have to manually type them is https everywhere.

Basically, this is a Ghost Poopie Dingleberry. When you feel that dingleberry dangling there, and you sit on the toilet for 10 minutes only to give up and wipe 10 times only to find out, there's nothing dangling at all! Clean TP every time!

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:35 | 4109931 docmac324
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Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:38 | 4109937 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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ixquick also

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:43 | 4109955 Cacete de Ouro
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The trouble is that Goog has a superior set of algorithms. Nothing is near as good as it for finding things in my experience. Even ZH content might agree...

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:50 | 4109962 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That is why if you want to "anonymously" browse google you use a proxy or something like https startpage. It is ixquick but it interfaces directly into google allowing you to hide your ip since google only sees the ip address of the startpage proxy which is designed to deal with a high volume of traffic. One of the major things you can't access behind startpage on google through their interface is the maps though.

For anyone who wants to try it out.

The nice thing also is startpage will allow you to go to the search result through their servers also if you want when browsing. Only issue is some sites won't load or work properly when you do like youtube.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:05 | 4110019 forwardho
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Dewey, Startpage is run by google. Is it safe to take googles promise in good faith?


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:08 | 4110027 Dr. Destructo
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"When you search with Startpage, we remove all identifying information from your query and submit it anonymously to Google ourselves. We get the results and return them to you in total privacy."

Google doesn't run it you're using a 3rd party to get the information for you.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:19 | 4110048 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It is not run by google. It is run by Ixquick it is basically a front end run from their servers so your ip doesn't directly interface into google's search engine only the ixquick server ip registers in google for the search query.

Interesting thing about how they implement SSL and yes most of us know SSL can be exploited and decrypted later on.


With SSL alone, if a target website's "private key" can be obtained once in the future - perhaps through court order, social engineering, attack against the website, or cryptanalysis - that same key can then be used to unlock all other historical traffic of the affected website. For larger Internet services, that could expose the private data of millions of people.

StartPage and Ixquick have now deployed a defense against this known as "Perfect Forward Secrecy," or PFS.

PFS uses a different "per-session" key for each data transfer, so even if a site's private SSL key is compromised, data that was previously transmitted is still safe. Those who want to decrypt large quantities of data sent using PFS face the daunting task of individually decrypting each separate file, as opposed to obtaining a single key to unlock them all.

This can be likened to replacing the master "skeleton key" that unlocks every room in a building with a tight security system that puts a new lock on each door and then creates a unique key for each lock.

In addition to its pioneering use of PFS, earlier this month StartPage and Ixquick deployed Transport Layer Security, or TLS, encryption versions TLS 1.1 and 1.2 on all of its servers. TLS is an upgraded form of SSL encryption, which sets up a secure "tunnel" that protects users' search information.


It ain't perfect but they are trying. More than I can say for other search engines.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 22:28 | 4110583 olto
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Dewey Cheatum Howe,

What do you know about

I have been using it for several months now because it is German and supposedly 'safe'.

The only objection I have is that it is very slow----but, maybe that is why it is 'safe'.

I don't know anything about this wonderful technology I use everyday---old dog and all of that-----------

Thank you

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 00:51 | 4110947 Real Estate Geek
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If you're sold on Ixquick, and you can wait a few months . . .


Fri, 11/01/2013 - 04:02 | 4111079 Confused
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The Germans have been taking this whole thing very seriously, or so it seems from my experience. They do have an initiative to create a "secure" email platform, which invovles many of the communications companys (many of whom already provide "unsecure" email).


As with anything though, I would be weary. Stroebele from what I understand, has at times, voted indirectly for spying on German citizens. He is an interesting individual, who is a staple in Berlin, and who I happen to enjoy (he represents my district at the moment). Perhaps I am wrong, this is just what I have been told from some locals. 

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:40 | 4109947 Notarocketscientist
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Merkel is owned by the NSA - they have the goods on her and every politician in Germany.   If they were to really step out of line that would be the end of them

This hoo haw is all for the cameras - the real power which runs the US has had their minions advise Merkel on how to handle this:

'Jump up and down in a petulant fashion screaming how you are so upset with the NSA - then do absolutely nothing to stop us - or else'

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:52 | 4109978 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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No Merkel is owned by who provides energy to Germany. That is Russian gas, not USA gas or oil.

Who run EU bartertown?

It ain't the US.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:47 | 4110140 The Alarmist
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True, to some extent, but the re-orientation to the east will not be final until a Eurofighter or a Rafale or their successors can defeat a Raptor, and I doubt that will happen in our lifetime.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:31 | 4110251 putaipan
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yeah but they can buzz the embassy again just to show us they're still pissed (as per hudes...)

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 05:03 | 4111116 Urban Redneck
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You weren't alive in June 2012? Are you an NSA Bot?

As much I detest extrapolating too much from the results of wargames (at least Red Flag wasn't fought only in a conference room)-- it's quite obvious that the F22 doesn't live up to the MIC Marketing hype. It seems a reasonable assumption that the F22 will experience losses in actual air-to-air combat if US combined forces cannot neutralize the opposition in a first strike and the Raptors fail to eliminate the remaining opposition before closing to within effective weapons range of the opposition.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:00 | 4110007 forwardho
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Re; they have the goods on her and every politician in Germany. 

They have the goods on ours too. Did anyone notice the slew of senior millitary who decided all of a sudden to take early retirement. Our "lawmakers" in washington also have lots they wish to keep hidden. We need not be so crass as to call it blackmail.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:25 | 4110080 JustObserving
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A very big story but ignored as usual by US media:

US government, media silent on sacking of top nuclear officers

By Thomas Gaist 
19 October 2013

A week has passed since the unprecedented back-to-back firings of two top US nuclear commanders, and the silence of the political and media establishment on the matter is deafening.

While expert sources acknowledge that the firings of Vice Admiral Tim Giardina and Major General Michael Carey constitute an unprecedented crisis in the US military, the media have accepted the US military’s presentation of it a matter of the two officers’ personal problems. Air Force General Robert Kehler’s assertion that both firings were the result of vaguely defined “unfortunate behavioral incidents” has been accepted, and the matter largely dropped.

Such accounts are not only not credible, they entirely evade the issues involved in the sudden cashiering of officers controlling the most powerful nuclear arsenal on the planet, capable of destroying humanity many times over. As military sources or specialists of military affairs acknowledge, the firings reflect a deep crisis of the US military. In such a situation, neither the possibility of potentially catastrophic technical problems with the US nuclear arsenal nor of threatened military action against the US civilian government can be ruled out.

A report on the firing of Vice Admiral Tim Giardina in the Marine Corps Timesnoted that such an event “is exceedingly rare and perhaps unprecedented in the history of U.S. Strategic Command, which is responsible for all American nuclear war fighting forces, including nuclear-armed submarines, bombers and land-based missiles.”

Speaking to the WSWS, Peter Feaver, Professor of Political Science at Duke University and Director of the Duke Program in American Grand Strategy, observed: “If you look over the last 4-5 years there have been quite a few senior officers who have been relieved for cause, quite a number of those in the last several years… The military has been struggling to come to terms with why there are so many firings.”

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:45 | 4110135 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yow...  Thanks for putting your post up.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:50 | 4110149 Pareto
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Excellent point.  I (I think we all have) found ourselves trying to remember all the bullshit that has happened over the last 6 years or so.  These firings (and there were many more infront of these). are symbolic of just how short our memories are and how easy it is to forget  by getting distracted by somehting else, then something else, then somethin else.  My neighbor has been taking these luminosity tests and one of the tests asks the user to observe 5 words, and later repeat them back in another context.  fuck I couldn't even remember 3.  I find it is the same thing with all the government shinanigans and fucked up economic policies being implemented and all the new laws and executive orders riding roughshod over the Constitution.  Unless you are keeping a diary - its impossible to keep track or remember.  Its like the more you learn, the more you forget, so that at the end of the day, you are actually less informed than you were at the beginning.  It leaves you with an "attendant sensation of unease" (Michelman, 1967).

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 00:56 | 4110952 etresoi
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"struggling to come to terms with why there are so many firings.”

Hah! Could the fact  that there ate some nukes missing have anything to do with it?


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:33 | 4110436 harleyjohn45
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something like 29 generals in the past 12 months.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:49 | 4109971 Iam Yue2
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A German lawmaker said he met Edward Snowden in Moscow and the fugitive former US spy agency contractor was willing to help German investigations into reports the United States tapped Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone.
Hans-Christian Stroebele, a legislator for the opposition Greens party, told German broadcaster ARD it was clear Snowden "knew a lot" and that he would share details of their surprise meeting including a letter from Snowden to the German government on Friday.
Stroebele tweeted a photograph of himself and Snowden, who disclosed secret US internet and phone surveillance programmes, and ARD showed images of the two shaking hands in a room.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:03 | 4110010 Ratscam
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just strategic kabuki theatre. Every well informed politician knows that germany was never offered to sign a peace treaty with the US. in the mean time the german politicians time do not request it anymore. They are simply bowing slaves to their occupiers, roughly 50'000 US soldiers.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:50 | 4109976 forwardho
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We say we still have freedom of speech here in the U.S. but do we?

If every comment, email, fuckbook post is being saved for posterity, who can say when a new "Law" will be passed calling disent treason?

Todays harmless venting becomes tomorrows evidence to be used against you. What better than to prosecute using defendents own words.

We live in scary times, when your words will come back to haunt you.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:04 | 4110020 Oldwood
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The thing is, If the NSA is the acknowledged number one source for all data, how can you ever disprove anything that they would ever present as evidence, providing of course that supposed evidence was not a national secret that meant you were not allowed to even see to refute. They could manufacture anything they like and how could anyone prove it false? They are THE source now. Everyone knows they are watching everything.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:52 | 4110297 1 over Infinity
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You can say all you want as long as it is politically correct.


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:55 | 4109987 jomama
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they're just sore that they ain't getting their gold back.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:57 | 4109999 seek
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More scariness, likely connected with the NSA due to the sophistication of it:

Short version is a security research stumbled across a malware trojan that takes over before the OS even boots, is persistent even with wiped hard disk drives, and the kicker is it specifically enables communication with air-gapped computers, when all their networking hardward is removed and they're unplugged. Whoever wrote this thing really, really wanted to spy on people.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:38 | 4110116 Pure Evil
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I think you need to read all the way to the end. In the comments section it was suggested this was a spoof written specifically for Halloween.


Dan GoodinSecurity Editor jump to post  

Dear Ars readers,

As a journalist for more than 17 years, I have never written a spoof story for April Fool's Day or any other holiday. I certainly had no intention of doing so with this article. It's completely coincidental that this story ran today, on Halloween.

The ninth paragraph of my article reads:

Quote: At times as I've reported this story, its outline has struck me as the stuff of urban legend, the advanced persistent threat equivalent of a Bigfoot sighting. Indeed, Ruiu has conceded that while several fellow security experts have assisted his investigation, none has peer reviewed his process or the tentative findings that he's beginning to draw.

Here and elsewhere in the post, I have tried to make clear that many of the details of this article sounded far-fetched to me. They still do. I have also tried to be transparent that no one has independently corroborated Ruiu's findings. That said, these same details have been publicly available for more than two weeks, and a large number of Ruiu's peers find them believable.

I decided to resolve this conflict between my own skepticism and the reaction of Ruiu's fellow security researchers by reporting accurately what all of them said and making clear that so far no one has peer reviewed Ruiu's research process or findings.

I have no doubt that researchers will pore over every laptop and USB drive Ruiu makes available and independently arrive at their own conclusions. I fully intend to report whatever they find. If they find no evidence to support Ruiu's account, Ars readers will be among the first to know.


Dan Goodin

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 03:10 | 4111042 seek
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Understood -- I did read that. What's missing is the context -- Dragos Ruiu has been reporting on bits and pieces of this particular virus for a long time, and this story is a precursor to him disclosing his research at a security forum. He also uploaded changed files for analysis a week ago. He has an established reputation as a security researcher, and a hoax stunt with this much lead-in would completely trash his reputation.

He may very well be misunderstanding mechanisms behind this, but as has been pointed out before, Stuxnet was designed to operate in a air-gapped environment, so what Ruiu found wouldn't be a first. The novel communications mechanism is essentially an acoustic modem, which is well proven technology.

If this code turns out to be legit, it will make very big waves in the security community.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 18:57 | 4110001 JPMorgan
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Cannot blame Germany, the US is not saying much nor doing much over this spying scandal.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:05 | 4110017 RaceToTheBottom
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I am thinking that an EU passport might be useful in the future.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:11 | 4110044 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  I am thinking that an EU passport might be useful in the future.

Getting out of the US might be useful in the future.  Unfortunately,  there's the "family thing".  I think some "Germans" had this experiece too a few decades ago.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:53 | 4110158 RaceToTheBottom
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  • For kids, a new culture can only be enriching and empowering them to be ready for the new world.
  • For siblings, you can always come back and visit.
  • For elders, that is a problem.   Not sure what to say there.
Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:05 | 4110021 SmittyinLA
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LOL they gave Snowden the finger, and pressured their allies to also give him the finger, those German Socialists should NEVER BE TRUSTED.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:40 | 4110123 Pure Evil
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Probably a psyop spoof to trick Snowden into traveling to Germany so that the NSA can Adolf Eichmann him.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:57 | 4110311 Freddie
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If I were Snowden - I would not meet face to face with anyone.   I would meet them with a glass partition.  No handshaking or other BS.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:08 | 4110033 Urban Redneck
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Everything you need to know about .gov gimps in one acronym from that picture:

Curiously, both experts noted, in the world of official surveillance, GFE stands for something else:
"government furnished equipment."

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:13 | 4110037 falak pema
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Like I said from the start : When thieves fall out...

Watch this awesome battle develop in the heart of Pax Americana land.

If Snowden becomes a punching ball between Europe (Germany/France/Italy/Spain, all plaintiffs) and Anglo saxon front all behind NSA hook line and sinker; aka since Echelon days; all bets are off in Oligarchy land.

Putin will be rubbing his hands in glee and China in relief for pushing its de-dollarisation program.

If Saud joins the "dump the USD reserve" bandwagon... Obama will have no option but to climb on the war in ME bandwagon.

Then what will the US MIC say? ...Big question. 

A weakend POtus at home requires a solid MIC to play high stakes of brinkmanship, requiring a military ramp up as called for by its desperate allies in the hot spot.

We are close to the three key strands of Pax Americana unbundling : reserve, oil and MIC under pressure of US debt tsunami and creditor/allies loss of faith.

The BRIC alliance and the Putin-Merkel Gazprom (mis?) -alliance become front page in this scenario.

Meanwhile on the financial front the CBs print away and WS climbs like a jumping pike on a hook and Oligarchy money is desperate to find safe havens anywhere everywhere to keep the party going.

Crazy world of Folies Bergeres.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:14 | 4110046 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Then what will the US MIC say? ...Big question. 

Don't turn that dail!  

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:23 | 4110071 Jethro
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Obama is Putin's fiddle. He'll get played as the world burns.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:10 | 4110350 Freddie
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Dr. Jim Willie nails this stuff.  He said Putin and his team with China have the upper hand.

Gazprom's gas pipeline network is incredible now.

Obama is losing friends and allies by the second.  The only thing is Israel bombing Syria last night.  I hope Putin can get Assad better missiles to stop that shit.  What was that about?  O and Israel trying to keep the war alive because their pal Saudi Arabia is mad at O?

There was a really funny Putin RT interview.   Putin essentially said the USA said to us a few years ago that we can play with our rusted tanks as long as we do not cause trouble.  The implication was the Russia military equipment is old useless shit.  Putin laughed because he knows their missiles are state of the art.   Most weapons now are as good as the software and the Russians have pretty good coders.

It was also interesting when Putin talked directly to the American people during the Syria crisis.  He essentially said that we are not your enemy. Then  As Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said, the U.S. is like "a monkey with a hand grenade" in the Mideast.

Putin also called war head McCain, pushing more genocide in Syria, a war criminal.


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:42 | 4110444 swmnguy
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No kidding, WTF was that Israeli strike about?  I mean, I know, obviously.  But the timing, the tactical purpose? Weird.  Just stirring the pot again, some more?

Putin is a professional's bad-ass.  Makes our politicians look like singing telegram delivery boys.  Which does not mean I think he has my best interests at heart.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:45 | 4110091 Urban Redneck
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"When thieves fall out" - would that be like when the Saudis got pissed a few days ago and told the US that if they didn't take the ball and run with it on Syria, then they would be inclined to take take their ball and go play with the Iranians on oil denomination instead?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 03:02 | 4111037 StychoKiller
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Hmm, who do the Sunnis hate more, Shi'ites or infidels?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 06:45 | 4111132 falak pema
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the Crusaders had the same problem; schismatic greeks and cathartic heretics were very close hate companions to turbaned moslems. Then it became the Protestants. Its the problem with dogmatic, closed system "creationist" logic, pretending it is universal; but only so with holy book in one hand and sabre in the other! Stand and deliver your soul or your head! 

That's why Borgia, on the reactionary rebound after loss of Constantinople, said : "I love me daughter more than I love your daughter"; it gets very incestuous this line of love-hate divide and rule. You left eye can't see what your right eye wants it to and your left hand does not obey your right. Imagine what it does to your nuts! Totally Schultzed! 

In France the nation-statists have the same slogan : I'd rather knock my own daughter than my neighbour's daughter. That way IT  stays in the family. They have built a whole political platform and party on that thesis. We love our own. Yes we can!

Awesome recurrence of ethnic regression and ideological incestuosity. Tribal urge is a Cherokee girl on halloween twittering her wayward feelings.

Where is the world going. Round n round and back to neo feudalism.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:36 | 4110049 Everybodys All ...
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Just another example of Obama ruining our country's reputation and not a word from him to show that he even cares. He is such an example of someone in a job either way over his head or as evil of a bastard that has ever held the office of president. Germany is a NATO ally and for this kind of crap to be going on is simply inexcusable.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 00:42 | 4110930 etresoi
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If you read the CV of the current POTUS, objectively, you will see political office is his first and only full time salaried position.  Michelle was always the bread winner, until she got busted for insurance fraud and lost her law license.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:19 | 4110059 q99x2
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The rest of the world will follow.

Germany: BitCoin as Currency

China: BitCoin as currency

Canada BitCoin as currency.

Germany cut the NSA out.

China Russia India Brazil: cut the NSA out.

Farewell to all the wall street banksters and Washington D.C. globalist traitors.

Your own nation despises you.

The whole world has turned against you.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:06 | 4110195 ZH Snob
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don't kid yourself.  appearances can be deceiving.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 19:37 | 4110109 DeficitAlchemist
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try for alternatives to the sell outs from dropbox, gmail, search all alternatives..

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 05:14 | 4111123 uranian
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I tried TAILS after seeing it recommended at prismbreak,and it entirely failed to work on 2 different computers. so i tried netrunner after seeing someone recommend it here, and it works very well, on both an old and a new laptop.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:03 | 4110187 ZH Snob
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didn't both nazism and the stasi come out of Germany?  now they want to lecture us on safe alternatives for email and searches. as if they too are not another piece of the NWO jigsaw.

pot, kettle, black

pot, kettle, black

pot, kettle, black

pot, kettle, black

pot, kettle, black

pot, kettle, black


Fri, 11/01/2013 - 04:56 | 4111112 Bearwagon
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Just for your information: Fascism did not come out of germany, but out of Italy. Mussolini was the leader. You may want to explore the origin of the "Fasci italiani di combattimento" and "Partito Nazionale Fascista". Hitler just copied that scheme.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 06:28 | 4111162 falak pema
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Probably right, but Mein Kampf was written at the time Musso came to power in Italy and blueprinted how in real life the Third Reich would evolve.

What is particular about Musso is that he initiated the nation-state political industrial oligarchy unholy alliance; something that the FED had incarnated on the monetary thread in the USA;  to the whole economy of a zombied nation state. 

That in essence is the great evil achievement of Mussolini fascism : putting state and private oligarchy hand in underwear mutually for the benefit of national socialism gone Oligarchical and monopolist.

We are there in current globalism that has taken this model to another level world wide. 1% rule of resources and politics.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:12 | 4110208 patb
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if the Germans offer Snowden, Safe Conduct, a residency permit and asylum,

it means they are really, really, really, really, really pissed off at the US.


Snowden is #1,2,3,4,5 6 and 7 on the shit list at Ft Meade, Langley and White House.

If the germans say that he's now protected, it will really chill things.



Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:19 | 4110226 earleflorida
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the very second he steps out of russia he will be "DOA'd"

stay put my HERO,... stay safe

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:13 | 4110364 Freddie
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Germany would not be safe.  Russia is about the safest place for him.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 03:03 | 4111038 StychoKiller
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Sadly, you're probably correct.  Whatever happened to that spook in Moscow, caught red-handed (and blond-wigged), trying to recruit some spies?

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:16 | 4110218 earleflorida
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"China to reap harvest of NSA scandals"    10/31/13    by  Brendan P. O'Reilly                                                   

enjoy ;->

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:29 | 4110248 Tabarnaque
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I already posted this but I think it is worth to re-post it again. Google Chrome and their Big Brother policy. About a month ago, I was unable to access ZeroHedge, King World News, RT News and Silver Doctor’s web sites. In the rare periods that I was able to access ZeroHedge, I was unable to post any comment. I’d get rejected from the site all the time. My Google Chrome was also showing a weird and long secured address every time I’d open it. It wasn’t like that before.


In the end I got tired. I uninstalled it. I installed FireFox from Mozzila and all the connection problems disappeared instantly.


So I say FUCK GOOGLE and their Big Brother Policy. Fuck’em, Fuck’em, Fuck’em.


The problem I have with Fire Fox now is that my computer loads up with tracking cookies. So, I’m partly back to using Internet Explorer. Sort of 50% Fire Fox 50% ie. But at least now I can access all my websites. The Fascists at Google Chrome have lost the ability to block me (at least for now!).


I hate these damn bastards. They are destroying our society a little more every day, imposing their new Fascist order.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:36 | 4110447 SKY85hawk
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Spend 30 bucks on ARO Advanced Registry Optimizer

It deletes thousnds of files from any browser's folders.  It finds and fixes windows errors too!

Norton Utilities 16 is almost as good.


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:40 | 4110459 swmnguy
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Do use the add-ons for FF recommended by so many posters here and elsewhere.  I'm using them right now.  Adblock, NoScript, Lightbeam, Ghostery, BetterPrivacy, DoNotTrackMe, HTTPS-Everywhere, FlashBlock, among others.  Run CCleaner every so often to clear the cache.  I wouldn't use IE on a bet, and I'm hearing more and more stories like yours about Chrome.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 20:42 | 4110280 alfred b.
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   United Spies of America


Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:12 | 4110353 Incubus
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looks like this time it'll be Germany, China, and Russia and periphery nations versus the Axis American powers.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:37 | 4110445 silverisgold
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Excellent interview by Amy Goodwin:

Glenn Greenwald: U.S. Spying on Allies Shows "Institutional Obsession" with Surveillance

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 21:38 | 4110452 walküre
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Guten Tag. There is a well run court room and prisons in Nuernberg. Would love to see assclowns Obama & Co. be dragged in front of the panel and declare "Not Guilty" but still get the noose. That's after Germany beats the US in a hot WW3. Payback is a bitch.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 22:24 | 4110570 chindit13
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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.  Germany's BND, which comes directly under Angela Merkel's office, taps into both foreign entities (other EU governments and EU offices in Brussels) as well as the communications of domestic Germans.  Germany has strong privacy laws because of its past experience with Stasi?  Sure they do, and like the rest of the world, everyone is equal under the law, except those who are above the law.  The BND also, similar to all "allied" nations' intel services, has liaison relationships with everyone from MI6 to the NSA to Mossad to the ISI.  Much of the "metadata" the NSA has obtained came not from its own eavesdropping, but rather was provided to it by "friendly" intel services such as in Spain, Germany, France, the UK, Italy, etc.

For a week or so EU governments have controlled the narrative and have been able to direct popular outrage toward the US and the NSA.  Edward Snowden, I suspect, will burst that balloon in good time.  Merkel's foot is in her mouth.  It's an easy---but probably unfair---quip to say what's good for the goosestepper is good for the gander.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 23:48 | 4110809 walküre
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Seems BND has other priorities...

German BND spy agency sees shale depressing oil prices for decades 12:32pm EDT

By Andreas Rinke

BERLIN, Oct 31 (Reuters) - The U-S.-led shale boom will have a lasting impact on global energy prices and push crude oil prices down to $80 a barrel, according to an analysis by Germany's BND intelligence agency obtained by Reuters on Thursday.

The BND said the U.S. shale boom would have a greater impact on global markets than it predicted in a previous analysis earlier this year.

Thu, 10/31/2013 - 22:46 | 4110637 ThisIsBob
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Yo, Germans.  Over here it is believed that:

"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 00:31 | 4110910 etresoi
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... and you will allow some government schmuck determine what is goor or bad, right or wrong, as they record your behavior for infinity.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 01:25 | 4110986 Iam Yue2
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We are essentially moving to a new phase in the world order, where both Germany and the U.S. Lurch towards isolationism. There are many within
the U.S. who are quite happy for political and financial reasons, that the U.S. adopts an isolationist approach to world affairs; esentially disentangling itself from its costly enterprises across the globe. The fall out with Germany, both over spying and the Treasury report slagging the Germans for economic mismanagement represents the first step on the path.

The Germans, meanwhile, know that the days of the European project are over. They are essentially interested in protecting their own wealth, and could not care less about the fate of the peripheral countries in the euro zone. The swing towards the right in the May elections, will be the straw that breaks the camels back. Italy, Cyprus and Greece will be forced out of the EZ, but not before Slovenia becomes the latest country to seek a bailout,

Consensus analysts and the tame and compliant press, will have it that all is rosy in the garden. It isn't.

They are all getting excited because European PMIs rose for a couple of months and economists stopped downgrading growth forecast for first time in 2 years. No upgrades. PMIs rolling over again. Euro strength will not help. Growth forecast to be 1% in 2014, sub trend, which means unemployment will rise further. Banks still deleveraging, which means credit creation will remain negative. Don't know how you get a growth story out of that. The same (mostly US based) bulls will scramble once they learn about how the crazies are going to win the european parliamentary elections in May.

The techtonic plates are shifting, and meanwhile Cameron, Osborne and Johnson are busy selling England for a pound, to the Chinese.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 06:39 | 4111169 falak pema
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Damn right, if the euro sceptics win the parliament like it looks they will, then Euro federalism goes into limbo and Merkelistan is the highway or you go your own way. The north south divide acquires a new isolationist and populist twist that can spell auw wiedersehen Europa. Back to euro market and no consolidation.

These ARE tipping times of unknown magnitude. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 07:59 | 4111248 smacker
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hhmmm. I suspect that if Germany slowly disengages from the US and EZ, it will not choose isolationism because that's bad for exports. It will move closer towards Russia who can guarantee energy supplies to Germany and has lots of growth potential.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 01:42 | 4110997 dunce
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There is no reason that i know of why Snowdon can not testify in a German court via an audio video internet connection without leaving Russia. I have testified in an administrative court proceeding over a phone here in the USA. Juries decide whether witnesses are telling the truth and just because it has never been done internationally yet means nothing. I am guessing that German courts can grant immunity from prosecution in their own country. obama and Holder can go bite farts.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:18 | 4111662 arrogantchef
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Idea: Why doesn't Germany ask Snowden to go to the German Embassy and testify from there via audo video? He would be "in Germany"


Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:21 | 4111400 exartizo
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It's frankly amazing to me that other world security agencies haven't picked up on the fact that




The user sees that the browser says the "image" is a jpeg, but the "image" is not a jpeg.

No. Not at all. has been one of the NSA's biggest portals with this technique for quite some time.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!