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GM "Stuffs Channels" At Fastest Pace In Its Post-Bankruptcy History; Volt Sales Plunge 32%

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Moments ago, General Motors reported its October domestic car deliveries number, which at 226,402, was 31K better, or 15.7% higher, than the 195,674 from a year earlier, better than the 7.9% increase expected. Unlike the ISM, GM was quick to point the counterfactual, namely that sales picked up because, you guessed it, confidence returned once the government reopened in the second half of the month. "Chevrolet, Cadillac and Buick-GMC all performed well in the month, and the sales tempo really picked up after the government shutdown ended,” said Kurt McNeil, vice president, U.S. sales operations. Apparently, like houses, Americans just can't buy cars if the government isn't around to hold their hand.

Joking aside, one thing that was not mentioned in the otherwise blemish-free GM sales report, is that the biggest reason for the surge in GM "deliveries" was because the car company once again resorted to that old faithful gimmick: dealer channel stuffing. At 728K units in dealer inventory at month end, or 87 days supply, this was the highest number since March 2013, but far more disturbing, the monthly rate of increase was the highest since GM's emergency as a "new" company from bankruptcy. And just to complete the picture, combining the past two month channel stuffing, we get 99,168 GM cars parked at dealer lots: the biggest two month jump in the restructured company's history.

The full sales breakdown:

Last but not least, it seems that the electric car dream may be alive for Tesla (if only until something cooler and more expensive appears), but is all but dead for GM after a 32% plunge in Chevy Volt deliveries. If only GM could somehow charge 50% more for the car and make it a little more spontaneously combustible, all would be well.

Source: GM

 


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Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Max Damage
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When do they go bust again? Any guesses anyone?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:52 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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wat the hell are you talking about......they ARE bust....they've been bust.......and they're just like the rest of the faux economy.......its all an illusion for the sheep and a hope that somehow creating an illusion of recovery will make you spend....problem is NO ONE HAS A FOCHIN JOB.........unless you work for the gov.............hehehhehhehehehehe and there are NO FOCHIN jobs coming..........so sit back and enjoy your bread and circus peeps......one day these bastards are going to flip a switch.......

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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One needs to be either a boneheaded green lunatic or wealthy (having no idea what to do with Bernanke generated "wealth effect") to buy an electric vehicle.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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Funny thing is, I've seen a few of Volt's recently.  Curious how the range is affected once cold weather rolls around.  There's one charging station in the parking garage - roughly 50 cents / kWh, at least 7x my residential rate (until more existing generation plants are shuttered thanks to the EPA).  Never seen a vehicle using it.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Ray1968
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I'm a Chevy Volt owner. I'm actually surprised that the car isn't selling more. It is actually a very good car. I'm not a shill for GM or Obama. I was looking for a way to spend less on Chicago gasoline. It is pretty fun to drive. The biggest drawback is that I'm chilly when it is cold outside. The heaters are not that good.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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Re: "It is pretty fun to drive" ?!?!?

Driving an electric golf car (do not have much pick up power and tend to catch up speed very slowly) is fun?!?!?

Sigh...

It's a shame, you have never driven a Porsche. :(

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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Well, bring the Porsche you own (do you actually own one?) down here and let's race it against my Volt on the twisties.  We'll see who comes out first at the end of the course.  Mine has a lower CG than yours (assuming you have one), instant throttle response, no turbo lag, and is always on the torque peak.  The pushbutton hack that adds both electric motors to the gas engine gives it plenty of HP/weight.  Let's have a go, your talk ain't cash.  I expect to enjoy watching you swap ends out of control in my rear-view mirror when you can't handle the hairpins as well as I can.  Please try not to go over the cliff, I'll be wanting my money for beating you.

Yes, it's fun, especially because idiots like you can't "get" the idea that just because it's electric it can't be quick - I really enjoy the look of surprise when I clobber guys like you - and the money I collect now and then doing it.

Ray, these guys have an agenda about electric cars - illiquid investments in the oil biz - that conflict of interest they warn about.  You're never going to get a shred of respect here, they are jealous we aren't buying their product and saving tons (mine is charged solar).  Note they had to mention the fire issue - because no Volt has caught fire in the wild, even the ones totalled by being struck by 100 mph other cars.  You know, the same number as some of the big banks have days of trading losses - zero.

And yes, the heater sucks when it's truly cold - I've hacked in a better one for mine - $30 and 10 minutes.  The heated leather seats are great, though, and I mostly use them.

You might not see many at charge stations.  Most of those charge more $ than the equal amount of gasoline that would go the same miles, and we Volt owners aren't stupid.  We charge them at home, in my case, off my solar system.

Let's see how fast your porsche, beemer, audi can go when you can't get gasoline or can't afford it.

 

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Ray1968
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DCF- Do you know the differnce between a Porsche and a porcupine? On a porcupine, the prick is on the outside !!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Town Crier
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"Mr. Goodzombie".

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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BTW, for ICE cars you have to deal with a complicated dance in order to get a good launch, with a lot of Sturm und Drang.  In an EV, you just floor it, no drama, just a slight electric spool-up whine and a whoosh.  Coming off a stoplight my Volt is usually 5-6 car lengths ahead of others by the time I get my cruise control on at 70mph (Texas roads can be like that: 70mph but with traffic lights).  Most folks in ICE cars don't want to damage their engine/trans or make such a racket to launch, but for electric motors it's no big deal.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Then why am I seeing 0-60 clockings of 9 seconds? And there aren't any acceleration specs on the manufacturers' website.

My first American car had a big block 455, yes, one could just "floor it" but actually driving, much less racing, is significantly more complicated than that.

My wife's god-awful Mercedes has one of those new-fangled not-quite-standard transmissions, and I find the absence of a clutch UN-NATURAL.

If you are going push a car anywhere near its limit, feedback (volume/pitch/rpm/vibration/etc.) is a GOOD thing.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment patb
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before you laugh,  check out what's happening in electric drag racing.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLjnRj2Dhwk

 

an electric motorcycle won Pikes Peak, and 4 of the top 16 finishers at Pikes peak were Electrics.

 

Given electrics have been coming in the top 10 line at Pikes peak for 3 years, it's not a fluke and it's maybe 2-3 more years

before electrics win all the slots at PPIHC

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The new BMW hybrid gets 94mpg and will do 0-60 in under 4.5sec and tops out about 160mph. But that doesn't mean 1) the average driver should attempt anything close to that or 2) that a stock passenger car is ever going to exhibit sports car performance (regardless of the engine)

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Stock Tesla Model S P85+ will do that at any elevation, and will clock low 13s on the quarter mile.  And it costs a bit less than the i8 PHEV, while being a lot more practical.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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My first American car had a big block 455, yes, one could just "floor it" but actually driving, much less racing, is significantly more complicated than that.

In an ICE-powered vehicle it's indeed more complicated than that, because ICE engines, transmissions, etc. are more complicated than electric motors.  For an electric motor vehicle, it's just mash on the pedal and go. And, of course, I average about 2.5 cents per mile for 'fuel' in my Volt.  How much per mile does gas cost these days for a big block or other hi-po car?
Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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I think you missed my point, unless you are suggesting that an E*TARD account is going to outmaneuver an algo. You are trying to tout fuel efficiency and racing performance in a single car, that's not racing and in fact is up there with profit-to-earnings ratios.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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". . . saving tons (mine is charged solar)"

Tell us a little more about your "solar system". How big is it? How many hours of sunlight does it take to provide a hundred miles of Volt driving "enjoyment"?

How fast (and how far) can your Volt go when YOU "can't get gasoline or can't afford it"?

Saving tons of what? Surely not bullshit -- I think you're lying to us.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Malibu
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You're delusional.  About the only thing you said which is correct (slightly) is the CG.  Without even getting into the Gas/Electric debate the fact that a car that is built for everyday driving will best the car that is built for the type of driving you mention is utter nonsense.  A normally aspirated Porsche or any sports car wouldn't even be a contest.  Since you mentioned tubro lag, which by the way modern Porsches do not possess, a turbo would make it all the more laughable. 

Don't let facts or sheer logic get in the way of your self love because you have a Volt.  You like it? I'm happy for you.  Some people don't.  That's fine too.  However to throw ridiculous statements like your first paragraph out is childish. 

Yes an electric car can be very quick, quicker than a petrol one at times but the gearing and amount of torque to make it such is a long way away from what you drive on a daily basis. 

-idiots like me.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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DCRusor is right; I love my Volt and since the tax slaves subsidized its purchase price, I get to feel like Jamie Dimon every time I drive it.

I use mine as a charcoal starter for the grill, and for defeating Chevy Chevettes in 'the twisties'; often I win enough to buy a burger at McDonalds.

My Volt is charged not by solar, but by rainbows and Unicorn farts.

You can lease one right now for 49 dollars a month and 200 down.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Because they shift power more efficiently (no wasted compression) I understand electric vehicles DESTROY gasoline powered vehicles 0-60.

And yes BMW has an electric vehicle http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/11/BMW-i8-...

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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An electric car plus solar panels to charge it will make you 'The Man' when the apocalypse happens. You won't be working, just spending your days popping off the occasional zombie and it will serve as your night time/rainy day back up power. You get get to use it for short trips to the ammo store and it's there for bugging out (one way for about seventy miles) whenever you need it. You are the man for being far sighted.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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If the zombies start to gain on you, just detour into 'the twisties'; the zombies high center of gravity will cause them to careen into the guide rails.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Indeed, the remaining 2013s just got extra $$ on the hood I believe, $7k back.  Leftover 2013s are a screaming deal if you live in spendy-gas country.  My Volt costs a blended 2.5 cents per mile to 'fuel'.  How much does your gas cost per mile?

I don't have the same issues with the heater, being in Texas, but if I did I'd probably put it in Hold mode to warm things up for a mile or two before going back to electric.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Cookie
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My 4yo son loves your avatar :-)

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment dynomutt
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Seeing that avatar makes me think...

Have you wished your mother a "Happy Birthday" today?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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Gee Ray, that gas savings should pay for itself in about 20 years or so. And in 20 years, car styling from the 1980s will be all the rage, so your Volt will be cool again. Problem is, nothing GM makes lasts more than 10 years.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Oh heck no- it's Tesla luring away Volt buyers, of course.....  (sarcasm cued)

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Mesquite
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Somewhere heard sales of bicycles up...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:07 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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Actually, that IS happening.  Some Volt owners have a Tesla as a second car, or want one.  They just cost too much right now for most.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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I know I do. I'd love to see a Volt and Tesla dueling in "the twisties" over a ham sandwich.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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As I suspected, this explains the good ISM numbers out today.

And fuck the Volt already!  Who needs an electric car when they don't have a job to drive to anyway!?

Get ready for a huge drop in the markets very soon.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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Guys like me, retired, who still need stuff at the store, that's who.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Especially if yon store lies beyond the forbidding "twisties." Without a Volt you'd likely starve.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment JailBank
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Never. Obama has plenty of borrowed money to give them.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment JailBank
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Never. Obama has plenty of borrowed money to give them.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:01 | Link to Comment yogibear
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No debt limit currently. Obama could go on a spending spree and charge to the kids. Obama wants to take over the house from the GOP.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Ghostdog
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3 years but Obama will bail them out again in his 3rd term

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:51 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Auto industry CEOs flying to D.C. in their private jets to demand taxpayer-funded bailout in 3...2...1...

 

Let me clear; roll the motherfucking guillotines.

Nothing changes otherwise.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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It's about time for DcFusor to trade in his Dolt to help boost the numbers.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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It's my favorite car, no way.  I don't even let them do the "factory upgrades" since it's perfect the way it was delivered.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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You're telling us a FACTORY MODEL car can navigate "the twisties!?" That really is awesome.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Handful of Dust
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"Heavy equipment maker Caterpillar (NYSE: CAT  ) may be one of the more visible victims of the global slowdown in mining, announcing yet another round of layoffs after it had to cut its outlook again for the year following a gloomy earnings report last week...."

 

"Second-seeded Japanese equipment manufacturer Komatsu followed its rival with a depressing earnings announcement of its own the other day, saying it had to reduce its profit forecast by 30% as demand has simply dried up. Even engine maker Cummins (NYSE: CMI  ) was forced to cut its guidance yesterday after reporting lower-than-expected quarterly profits and reducing its full-year outlook as weak sales in most of the industries it serves sapped its strength."

 

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/31/caterpillar-cost-cuttin...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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bad news is good news, rally on!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Perhaps the "investor"-in-chief can repeat how the US taxpayer didn't lose any money on GM... sort of like "if you like your current health insurance you can keep it" ... Profit-to-Earnings ratios seem downright trivial compared to the rest of his intellectual dysfunction.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Scoobywan
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If they put something other than a 5 cylinder as the best engine option in a Canyon/Colorado they would sell more..

Idiots

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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Bingo!  I'd like to see that as well but I think GM has fatter margins on its full size pickups and would rather use their production to keep Toyota and Nissan from any gains in that market segment.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment TheFreeLance
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It is OK. In another non-event, High Commissioner Yellen will buy $25b. worth of subprime 144 month car notes each month. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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They will always be bailed out. Even with a change in government they will be bailed ult forever. Some people are more equal than others.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment kralizec
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To Hell with Obamamotors! 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:01 | Link to Comment USS Bernanke
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But the commercial said I better come quick while supplies last.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Noticed something was wrong when they offered $3500 back on their malibu.

It was like the Cash-for-Clunkers days.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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GM is still shelling out more than they bring in, notably referred to as legacy costs.

Why did General Motors fail?

 After everyone skimmed off money during the transformation phase for turnaround. We now find GM in a state prior to bailout crisis. Fascinating, eh?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment ItsDanger
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Given the nature of the legacy costs and the lack of adjustment during the last bailout, this aspect was guaranteed to get worse in a short period of time. These costs can cause GM to go bankrupt on their own.  In fact, it should next time and they can finally have a proper negotiation of the terms.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Correct. On a larger scale, Central Planning has failed again. Telling individuals what to buy and how to spend their money will never work in the United States of America.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Another round of trillions of spending Obama while blaming teh Tea Party. More and more bailouts coming. 

We should see trillions more added to the debt.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment SpeakerFTD
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Their business plan worked last time.  It was actually fairly brilliant.

 

1.  Stuff Channel

2.  Wait for Hurricane Sandy to Destroy Thousands of Existing Vehicles

3.  Profit

 

I wonder which natural disaster they are depending on this time.

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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Cali quake would actually take care of a few "issues" at once.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Mesquite
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I wonder which natural disaster they are depending on this time.

Time to ramp up HAARP, I guess...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment starman
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thers about 2500 lesss GM dealerships since 2007! are sales still up?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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We call them stealer-ships.  No one in their right mind takes a car to one - any brand.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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I traded in my Volt and the resale was so high, I got 2 more to replace it - even trade. I put a hitch on one and towed the other on home, powering like Speed Racer through "the twisties."

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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WTIC now below marginal profit levels for shale production. SELL MOAR SILVERADOS!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:32 | Link to Comment mendolover
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GM isn't the only company doing it.  Drive the Cross Island Pkwy past Belmont Racetrack in Queens and you will see rows and rows and rows of Hondas and Toyotas.  I've seen the same thing in RI also.

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Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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Darn, ya' just beat me to  it!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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Rinse... repeat....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Blano
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But, but, but I thought they were going to hold on because they were SURE the stock was worth more than the market said it did!!!!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:42 | Link to Comment safe as milk
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let's see:

chevy volt electric w/ range extender $34k msp - $7.5k tax credit = $26.5k

toyota prius plugin hybrid $32k msp - $2.5k tax credit = $29.5k

hyundai elantra conventional ice 28/38 mpg = $17k

not much of an economic case for electric vehicles...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment DCFusor
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Gallon of gas to go 40 miles - $3-4.  13kwh of electricity to go the same distance (assuming you have to buy it, unlike me with solar) - $1.69.

There's your economic case.  No one makes money buying a new car then selling it anyway.

 

By the way, comparing a cheap, noisy piece of shit, bad handling car to a Volt - obviously you haven't driven these.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment moonman
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Elantra is a great car. No service issues, good MPG and a great warranty. They also drive great.

Maybe you should test drive one

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment I Write Code
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Your home solar probably generates about enough power in a year to run your Volt what, 100 miles?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Economically a Volt might not make sense, but if you've got a real passion for "the twisties" then it makes all the sense in the world.

My house is surrounded by "the twisties" and if I need to get anywhere alive and in a timely fashion, I have to drive one of my 2 Volts.

Here's a pro tip, you extend your range by towing one Volt with your second. When it winds down or gets stuck at an intersection on a bit of chewing gum, you hook it up and tow it with the second one.

EZPZ

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment patb
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16,000 Miles, Average Driver,  

say 500 gallons of gas per year.

That's one tank/week.

 

Gas at $4/Gal,  that's $2K in gas/year.

 

4 years pay for it 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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problem is you the $40,000 volt is comparable to a $15,000 Corolla. And most people regularly take trips of over 40 miles in distance. so you or some other Dolt driver overpaid by $25,000 - $7500 welfare handout, or $17500. gonna take a lot of less than 40 mile trips and some cheap electricity to ever pay for that farce.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:42 | Link to Comment starman
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what taxpayers money I aint got any

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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you'll be buying a new car, you just won't be driving it

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:45 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I've seen a couple Volts on the road but I still see ten times as many Maseratis.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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its easy to spot a Volt, just follow the plume of smoke

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something tells me mrs bernanke is getting a new car for christmas

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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The last electric car left on the road was in the 1940s - yes, it's a fact.  It all started around 1900.

 

Another few decades of "my batteries don't work anymore and it's going to cost me $10K to replace them" and it will all be over again.

 

Time to go puke again.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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oh yeah, that pesky little detail.....

anyone here of life cycle costing? you can't handle the truth.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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battery packs are gauranteed for 100k miles,...

the cost of replacement has been halved!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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GM is not Hostess Twinkies.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Nue
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If GM does not threaten to file for bankruptcy by the end of 2015 I'll buy a Volt.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment patb
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i would like to wait until the volt comes with a plugs out inverter.

 

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment I Write Code
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Y'know, I'm starting to see more Volts on the street.  Not as many as Prius or even Tesla (plagues of both of these here in Los Angels), but coming along.  Volt got something of a bad rap - deserved on its original list price, but not on the basis of the car itself.  It may be a modest winner in the end.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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it's called competitive espionage (sabotaging a vehicle in a factory with a 'plant' in QC)

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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It is extremely well-known in (automotive) marketing, that 95% of people do NOT make "rational" decisions in most purchases -- even large purchases.  Rather, they first make an emotional or pre-conditioned decision, and then user reason & logic to justify/rationalize their gut-level decision. 

This phenomenon applies to ALL automotive purchases, not just electric car purchases.  Alhough some people are quick to jump on the "cost model" of e-car buyers, they conveniently (and hypocritically) omit the same level of rational rigor to internal-combustion-engine vehicles.  This is particularly true for SUV owners and many p/u truck owners, neither does a complete analysis (TCO - Total Cost of Ownership plus Resourse & Environmental Impact), and neither uses their private vehicle for its intended purpose for any significant percentage of the time.  It therefore becomes a subjective than objective choice, and more of a personal indulgence than anything else.  Not that this is no legitimate, but one needs to first be honest about this to oneself, before one is honest about this to others.

Therefore... a person's decision/indulgence in buying an e-car is no less legitimate than their decision to buy an inefficient and polluting clunker, an SUV or a p/u truck.

Moral:  Volt Sales Plunge 32% --> BTFD!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 16:27 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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"US military warms to electric cars"   10/31/13    by  David J. Unger      (EV's and Hybrid's where fuel supply routes matter the most in Pakistan and Afghanistan)            http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2013/1031/US-military-warms-to-electric-cars  

Sorry... but, The Future Ain't going Away

JMO     thankyou Tyler

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