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Obamacare's Success In Enrollment Numbers: 6 People By End Of Day One; 248 By Day Two

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It is now clear why according to the Obama administration there were no glitches plaguing the Healthcare.gov website administering Obamacare: because a whopping six people managed to sign up on the first day it was launched - the same day the government proudly reported previously it had received 4.7 million unique visitors - a conversion factor of, well, Div/0. By the end of the second day: 248 happy participants in a socialized healthcare ponzi scheme. It is also clear why there was nobody happier than the president when the republican party decided to shut down government on the same day as Obamacare was rolled out: because if public attention had focused on the absolute and now confirmed, disaster that the healthcare law's rollout had been, then everyone, not just the Tea Party, would be demanding a substantial delay in Obamacare.

The enrollment data comes even after the Obama administration has said it cannot provide enrollment figures from HealthCare.gov because it doesn't have the numbers. "We do not have any reliable data around enrollment, which is why we haven't given it to date," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told lawmakers on Wednesday. Turns out she did - as Reuters and ABC report, the documents, which are labeled "war room" notes and appear to be summaries of issues with the problematic website beginning on October 2, indicate a mere six enrollments had occurred by that morning - the day after the website was launched and almost immediately crashed.

You can read the documents HERE, HERE and HERE.

So how is Obamacare like Facebook, or any other dot com special du jour - only the pageviews matter. Actual user conversions... well, that's another matter entirely.

To date, Obama administration officials have refused to publicly provide any estimate of successful enrollments, though they have said the site received 4.7 million unique visitors on its first day and has now generated more than 700,000 applications.

 

An internal administration memo obtained by The Associated Press and confirmed by ABC News revealed that the administration projected half a million successful sign-ups by Oct. 31.

Good luck with that. And we mean it: after all like any authentic Ponzi scheme, Obamacare works only if wave after wave of signs up "foot" the costs for everyone who doesn't. As such, unless massive amounts of people enroll, the program is assued to be a failure. Pardon: even more of a failure than it is now.

Naturally, the government was quick to downplay the figures:

HHS spokeswoman Joanne Peters stressed tonight that the enrollment figures presented in the “war room notes” are unofficial figures. The agency has said it intends to release its first official report on enrollments by mid-November.

 

“We will release enrollment statistics on a monthly basis after coordinating information from different sources such as paper, on-line, and call centers, verifying with insurers, and collecting data from states,” she said.

It gets better. Because after finally admitting there is nobody quite capable of messing something, anything, quite like the government, the administration finally agreed to get private sector help. In this case Oracel and... Google - the same firm that it was revealed earlier this week was furious at the government's spying agency for illegally tapping its confidential user data streams.

The Obama administration said it has brought in experts from top technology companies including Google Inc and Oracle Corp to fix the HealthCare.gov website, as Republicans press for details about the botched October 1 launch.

 

Health and Human Services said it had added dozens of technology experts and engineers to its round-the-clock effort to fix the technical glitches on the site that is key to the implementation of Obama's healthcare restructuring law.

 

Giving some of the first details of who might be leading the tech fix, HHS officials identified two experts by name: Michael Dickerson, a website reliability engineer on leave from Google, and Greg Gershman, a Baltimore-based innovation director with the firm Mobomo and who previously worked for the White House and the General Services Administration.

 

"We are doing everything we can to assist those contractors to make HealthCare.gov a highly performant, highly reliable, highly secure system," Oracle CEO Larry Ellison told shareholders at the company's annual meeting on Thursday in Redwood City, California. There was no comment from Google.

No need for a comment: the NSA already knew what they would say.

Finally, get your popcron because Darrell Issa is preparing to make a super spectacle out of the Obamacare flub, after yesterday he subpoenaed Sebelius, who previously took full responsibility for the "debacle", for more information.

Issa said he had subpoenaed Sebelius for more information on the website's technical problems, including how it was tested, and enrollment data. The subpoena requires the documents to be produced by November 13.

 

"The evidence is mounting that the website did not go through proper testing, including critical security testing, and that the administration ignored repeated warnings from contractors about ongoing problems," Issa said in a statement.

Needless to say, this is all a short-term distraction: sooner or later the website will be fixed. It is only then that all those people who still have no idea what a complete disaster Obamacare is and will be for the US economy, will finally get the long overdue rude awakening.

 


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Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:01 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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#WINNING!

 

Right in your face Tea Party. Take that!

 

Ted Cruz is not taking phone calls!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:04 | Link to Comment negative rates
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It's doomed, you were gonna need that 7th person on the first day, you can't do it right with just 6.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:13 | Link to Comment slotmouth
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These two data points should be plenty to extrapolate total enrollment using cbo style projection methods.  6^3.077 = 248 so day 3 should be 248^3.077 = 23,319,961 signups.  By day four all US citizens should be enrolled and we can now focus on international growth.  

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:14 | Link to Comment new game
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even the thought of visiting the website is appalling...

zero percent chance of visiting.  fucking zero chance!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment max2205
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And you thought the BLS provives quality statistics

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:58 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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in the end, as we please the people, this monstrosity (for the children) will be put to bed, but the new and improved premiums will survive.....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:01 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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The people this 'thing' was supposed to help can't afford health insurance at ANY price - they don't have jobs.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:07 | Link to Comment kralizec
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This is just a preliminary circus necessary to usher in Govt single-payer system...the end of private insurance is all but complete...soon The State will control everything...literally the craddle-to-grave control the Statists have lusted over for so many generations...

Resist We Much!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Truthseeker2
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* Obamacare: Ongoing Disaster With No End In Sight

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2294

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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7 million unique page views, huh?  6.99 of them Bots and hackers looking for weaknesses to exploit and get at people's personal info.  With something this screwed up you can imagine how many "holes" there must be on the security end.  A hacker's wet dream.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:43 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The bitch about this is that if you get signed up.....you're still a slave.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:04 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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HEGELIAN DIALECTIC = Problem, Reaction, Solution

  • Problem = Website rollout plagued with problems
  • Reaction = Bi-partisan bitch-fest
  • Solution = Everyone works together to achieve a new tax collected by the IRS and paid to the FED. 

The real problem is that the Talmudic Communists just stuck the citizens of the USA with another tax used to further banker's agendas of financial, resource and human domination. 

Even the alternative new sources are busy focusing on website glitches and not the real problem. 

The only solution is to remove the Talmudic's monopoly on money creation.  Without this power, they are nothing and have no skills except the con.  This my friend, is the only true solution to the "Question". 

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Ans: The Liberty Amendments ... wherein the long-standing debate over the unused second half of the Constitution's Article V. This allows two thirds of the States to require Congress to issue a call for a convention to propose amendments to the Constitution. This convention would act in place of the two-thirds vote in Congress by which all amendments to the Constitution to date have been initiated (in both cases amendments then have to be approved by three quarters of the States). 


Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment rubiconsolutions
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Sure. Do you really think that a constitutional convention will fix the US? When you have 50% of the people on the government teat the results from such a convention would be more, not less government. Any amendments that came from would likely increase the scope of government in our lives. Besides, the chances of a constitutional convention are zilch. The bankers would never allow it. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Hail Spode
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Levin's so-called "Liberty Amendments" are snake-oil posing as solutions, as documented beyond most normal people's level of interest here ....  http://localismaphilosophyofgovernment.blogspot.com/2013/10/liberty-amendments-vs-localist_29.html

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:45 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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Agreed.  Treating symptoms is not the same as identifying and eliminating the cause.  Once the cause is eliminated, the many symptoms will no longer have support and will vanish.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment rubiconsolutions
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Absolutely correct. He does not advocate eliminating the greatest cause of economic turmoil in this country, namely it's central bank. Unless and until people realize that the combination of the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th amendment are the root cause of problems they will persist. Mark Levin is indeed a snake oil salesman.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:31 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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those sound like a prostitute's numbers

oh wait

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment jcaz
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So....   Six suckers fell for this crap the first day, eh?   Dang, I heard the over/under was eight.......

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment onewayticket2
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Because Obama

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Blano
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I'm temporarily one of those unemployed, but even when I had my job I couldn't have afforded these plans, and I was making a decent salary.  Even as a renter.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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That's not how Project Mayhem works...go to the site, browse, sign up your "friends," use the bandwidth.  Clog the veins in other words.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:48 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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thats what i've been doing

but its difficult

because the site doesnt work

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:20 | Link to Comment TimTom
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Can't the NSA just sign up for us? If they're going to bend my privacy over a table and have sex with it, may as well relieve me of some paperwork (or is it internetwork?) ~

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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tthey arent violating your privacy if you dont know

and if you were suddenly signed up you'd know

so , you see, they cant, because that would violate your privacy

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment MisterMousePotato
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I see a sequel to The Princess Bride in the making, Vizzini.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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These two data points should be plenty to extrapolate total enrollment using cbo style projection methods.  6^3.077 = 248 so day 3 should be 248^3.077 = 23,319,961 signups.  By day four all US citizens should be enrolled and we can now focus on international growth.

Hey, is that math licensed and government approved? If not, you'd better put your neighbors on drone alert.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:20 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Having my tinfoil hat securely in place, the Obamacare website is going to continue to fail until after the elections this year and next. The deadline will be continued to be pushed back to supposedly accomodate the stragglers [not the fault of the government of course]. By then, people will become complacent with a failed website but will not as yet be fully treated to a doubling of their insurance costs. That will come after the elections. There's a difference between planned incompetence and incompetence.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Croesus
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Holy Shit...it's gone VIRAL....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:56 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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And if we're lucky, it will kill the host...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Lewshine
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Oh sure, as if 6, 1/6 or 16 matters! This program will be a gigantic flop trainwreck in 6 months, just as it is today - But it won't matter...Because Obama CANNOT be held to an account. And if that can't happen, the sheep will follow regardless of how high the cliff. Welcome to America, where what you say trumps what you do.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:22 | Link to Comment Grande Tetons
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQtxcKT-u_Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA

 

Easy to watch video that explains how the ACA is a non partisan parlor trick. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 07:59 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Those 248 were all sick as a dog. Insurance rates are going sky high.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:20 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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Yeah but all 248 are really the contractors just testing to see if they can sign up while they have the system off-line!

BUT CHECK THIS OUT!  SNL PREDICTION CAME TRUE!

http://wtop.com/289/3495649/Obamacare-skit-by-SNL-correctly-predicts-the...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:25 | Link to Comment max2205
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The only worse thing that could happen would be if ACA also sold life insurance.

 

Then they cold 'manage' their costs

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:47 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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Why not automobile insurance: ObamaCAR.

It would cover gas, oil changes, service to add air to your tires, 3 free car washes etc.

It would mandate that you must buy a Prius or Chevy Volt or other Approved Car.

It would bring Peace, Harmony and Unicorns to the Automobile Industry.

"if you like your mechanic you can can keep him"

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:10 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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C'mon, Jim - don't light their fire.  This idea could catch on.  Careful - remember Cash for Klunkers.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:34 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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And the property and casualty guys all snickered when they got mandatory auto insurance implemented in the states - based on coercion from the feds with 'highway money', just the same as they did with DUI laws and the insidious 'seat belt' laws and ever so stupid 55 MPH speed limit. 

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Trampy
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And the property and casualty guys all snickered when they got mandatory auto insurance implemented in the states - based on coercion from the feds with 'highway money', just the same as they did with DUI laws and the insidious 'seat belt' laws and ever so stupid 55 MPH speed limit.

Don't forget how they forced the states to raise the drinking age from 18 to 21 by withholding federal funds for highways.

But Montana held out for a long time on the stupid 55-mph speed limit.

Is this such ancient history that nobody knows Montana had no daytime speed limit, leaving it to the discretion of the officer as to what was safe and prudent?

Anyone making a fuss over the (un)equal protection of letting 18 year-olds vote, and sign binding contracts to join the army and go to war, only they are considered too irresponsible to have a beer?  Or smoke cigarettes in NYC?

The Nanny State has been here for a long time and wait till all those high-testosterone young males figure out how they were bamboozled into thinking Obamacare would give them free health care for life ...  maybe in prison ...

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Yeah they toyed around with ObamaHOME

Free home insurance

but then they realized, even if you like them

you couldn't keep your 4th amendment rights

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Platinum
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Exactly! I make the Obamacare FB page a regular trip. I don't have a FB, but I can still view it.

Popcorn and some GDP.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:01 | Link to Comment Catullus
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The system is clearly working.

I love how they keep saying it's website thing. It's obviously a databasing issue. The government has garbage data and convoluted to logic to access it from multiple departments.

If you were to have a massive data cleanup and consolidation, what you'd realize is that you don't need like 5 departments of the government. It could all just roll up under the IRS.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:06 | Link to Comment negative rates
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See above note.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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And the whole time it was raining. Or was that Obama Care Urinating on them?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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And millions had their policies dropped and were forced into paying much higher premiums on that day.  This is a good window into how Socialism works.  If they stole all the money in America, sick people would still not get effective healthcare in a government program.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:11 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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A monetized democracy.

Poison your population then create a monetized pathway to managing the multitudes of illness. No cures just managed illness. Pay the managers the most as they hold your life in their hands.

Over.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:31 | Link to Comment FMR Bankster
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The money is in the comeback baby. Every drug dealer knows that. You don't want to fix em and you don't want to kill em. Just keep them dependent, strung out. Works for drug dealers, our dysfunctional health care system and big government politicians.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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+1 "And millions had their policies dropped and were forced into paying much higher premiums on that day" -who profits?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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btw, a "typical socialist" government program would be a National Health Service (aka Single Payer), which is way simpler than ObamaCare. imho ObamaCare is not a socialist program, it's a liberal program. it's original template was taken, as far as I'm told, from the existing and functioning Swiss model, which is clearly liberal. and complex. and expensive

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:10 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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Ghordius, stay in your EU, when commenting on America your POV, is exactly 180 degrees off - .gov is all powerful here and is occupying a federal district from which is rules over the states..you are right the obomination of ACA is not single payer-just the prelude to it. aca is to destroy the current ins network, seems like the people of american know this aca is not what it is advertized to be, thus no one buying in.. the ministry of propaganda has failed.

so many of your EU & Canadian  MD's ,in the past moved, here for a better income and life..they voted on single payer with their feet, ever wonder why? no I doubt you did.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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you are perfectly right, any MD that wants to "strike it rich" comes to America, where some of the best and most expensive clinics of the world provide first class and often innovative service to those who can afford it

all in all, the US health care system costs 18% of GDP, the highest of the world by far. it's a rich market

and in the setting up of ObamaCare it was visible how much of this money flowed into lobbying, for and against it, yet mostly into details, making it one of the biggest laws ever concocted

yet I don't see all those vested and very non-socialist interests - including the expensive doctors - switching to a single payer system, 'cause it would depress this rich market

so I see at the moment the threat of the US getting a NHS as high as the threat of the FED/US gov stopping their help towards the housing market, i.e. as negligible

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:26 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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It's a fascist program - Gov & Insurance Industry.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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They all wanted single payer but couldn't get it passed and they have all pretty much admitted that Obamacare was simply a first step. You can only change the system with another system if it either proves competency or destroys the existing system. We are experiencing the latter. The disaster of ACA will cause a loss of confidence in the governmental competency but will ultimately be used to further damage to image of insurance companies demonstrating their greed and insensitivity to people's "needs". The government will nationalize these insurance companies "for our protection" thereby being able to utilize the insurance company's systems while neutering them from evil profitability. We saw Maxine Watters publicly stating that if evil oil companies continued making what were in her mind excessive profits, they should be nationalized and this is the ultimate Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist tool. It is coming along with the beloved and much anticipated government directed single payer healthcare plan. As my father often said, be careful what you wish for as you just might get it!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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+1

 

Step to the head of the class ...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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meanwhile I find the general narrative of the article a bit strange. no demand existing or no demand expressing itself in enrolments?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Lots of demand for free shit, which this isn't.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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that would indeed be an explanation, for which I thank you. this would also mean it isn't socialism

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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You're right. It's fascism. Even if it devolves to "single payer", it still won't be socialism, it will be the "free" healthcare like you you get in prison. Or if you're Native American or a veteran.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Blood Spattered...
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This isn't socialism, bro.  We're being ordered to purchase more expensive products from large healthcare conglomerates.  That's corporate rule, also known as fascism.  Don't throw around loaded terms if you don't know what they mean. 

Our local paper here in MN had an article on the front page estimating that 140,000 Minnesotans will have their policies cancelled in lieu of significantly more expensive plans.

 I shared this via FB declaring Obummercare as a giant fucking scam.  Two close friends replied confirming this. One of them owns his own web design company and will be paying between $2,500 - $5,000 more per year.  Its a fucking travesty that is/will affect tens of millions. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Government takeover of healthcare started with a full frontal attack on insurance companies as the "devil". These companies saw the writing on the wall. They were warned then to keep their mouth shut or repercussions would ensue. These same companies made a deal with the real devil (big Gov) to receive the benefits of an insurance purchase mandate but also the conditions that would guarantee significant cost increases. This started with an attack on them over high prices yet they agree to participate (like they had a choice) in a program that would make them look even worse. The excutives do not care if these compaines exist four years from now. They will burn them to the ground to get next quarters numbers up. Fuck next year, besides, they already have theirs. ACA will prove a disaster, insurance companies will further be portrayed as the devil and eventually our great protectors will impose a single payer plan implemented by a fully nationalized and government controlled insurance company.The insurance companies won't fight it as most will keep their jobs, plus have all the government unionized benefits we all so admire.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Blood Spattered...
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I'm personally for a public option/single payor system.  However our government is so corrupt that giving them the right to run our entire healthcare system would be analagous to giving a toddler a loaded gun.  There are no good options except for maybe mandating that healthcare companies operate as non-profit entities? 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Be careful of what you wish for (as the saying goes) ...

PS I did not down-vote you BTW.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Most of us appreciate the "potential" positives of many liberal concepts. We also understand that the required centralized power required to implement them is the problem. We all want to minimize suffering on all levels but their are uncountable unintended consequences on top of the huge potential for corruption that centralized power inevitably promotes. Health insurance of any kind can only be sustained if those who utilize it are subsidized by those who don't. If there are too many "consumers" of insurance and not enough paying nonconsumers, the system fails. That is why it ultimately all falls back on mandatory participation to make the numbers work. But even that ultimately fails because if there is no limit on its consumption costs will continue to increase, and the more we pay the more we feel obliged to consume. No system that requires wealth redistribution is sustainable as those receiving will continually increase demands while those paying will resist or become a taker. The exact same thing the econoomy as a whole is experiencing right now. The only sustainable system is one where we each pay for what we consume, no more, no less. But there is always hope for utopia.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Lewshine
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This is a loose guess but I'm willing to bet we see 8 to 10 million people drop off the map, forsaking tax compliance. Not because of rebellion but because of poverty. These premiums and deductables for obamacare are simply unaffordable for 60 to 70% of the US population. Some will be stupid enough to try and mmaintain the cost, but the rest will say fuck it...What's the purpose in filling taxes if I'm gonna have to pay a penalty that consumes their refund, or dramatically adds to their tax obligation. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:18 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Hayek warned/showed us, in 'Road to Serfdom', that socialism always ends up in totalitarianism...enforced at the point of a gun.  

This is socialism.  It is how socialists move capitalistic societies to totalitarianism.   Facists have wrongly been associated with the 'right' for too long.   NAZIs were the nationalist socialists, USSR were socialists.  

But, ok with the rest of your post. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Tnx for the reference to Hayek and the RTS; had forgotten about that ...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:31 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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clarification - it was so many years ago I had the old "The Party's Over" t shirt with the hammer and sickle on it. 

Anyway, USSR stood for....Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:03 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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IMO if she said she didn't have the enrollment figures but in fact they were in a war room document, then once again we have another under oath whopper.

Jail her.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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And make her eat cancelled health insurance policies.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:32 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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There are no penalties for lying to congress.  Nobody gets prosecuted, nobody goes to jail.  Bread and circuses, man.  Bread and circuses.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:06 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Make no mistake the only ones ready for Obamacare is the IRS which are already fully implemented to send out millions of fines.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:08 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Turns out having to pay a fine for doing nothing is totally constitutional.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:11 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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It's not just "taxation without representation" but taxation without affordable health insurance!

Sheeesh!  If this isn't enough to get the Second American Revolution going....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:12 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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SIgn the checkbook, hand it over.....and STFU!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:19 | Link to Comment new game
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can i bend over too? i put vasoline on in advance of your arrival.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Vasoline?  You are way too optimistic.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I'm pretty sure the MDA and AARP would recommend a water based lubricant.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:36 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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And don't forget, the IRS is heavily armed, locked and loaded.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:57 | Link to Comment Being Free
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Remember what Solzhenitsyn said:

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the down-stairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of a half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? … The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt.

If …. if… We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation… We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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Watch for the drones armed with .44 hollow points, 1.3 billion of them.  I tell ya' if it just didn't sound too crazy, I'd say we're on the verge of a slaughter like the world has never seen before.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:46 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Most will never appreciate what they have until it is gone.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:09 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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Good article on Obumblecare by Charles Krauthammer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-obamacare-lai...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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Krauthammer is a neocon shill that deserves little to no respect from anyone.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:24 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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So get invited on Fox and kick his ass!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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So I take it you disagree with the article?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I don't think he wants to talk about the article.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment therevolutionwas
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He said the article is decent.  His point is that Kraut is a neocon in favor of the MIC.  There are a lot of folks like that; Rush Bimbo, Shill Hannity...they talk small gov't in entitlements but will have nothing to do with reigning in the military.

 

 

 

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Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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the article is decent.  I have a problem with elitist neocons like Kraut who pose as free market enthusiasts.  But, all the while they're nothing more than mouthpieces for their crony corporatists overlords who are responsible for raping and pillaging of the system.  That's Krauthammer to a tee... he's a shill. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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OK....so Krauthammer is a shill....now what?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:21 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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+1

fuck all Neo~zio~Cons

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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OK.....now what?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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buy gold!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:39 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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i forgot...FUCK ISRAEL

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment blabam
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Fuck Charles Krauthammer. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Abaco
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You might have a chance to finally get laid since he can't run away.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:07 | Link to Comment Blano
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THERE'S a visual I didn't need.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:14 | Link to Comment muleskinner
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Give us this day our daily Bread and Circus

Lead us not into Obamacare

But, deliver us from the dumbfuckin' rotten Republicans and the stupid fuckin' lamebrained Democrats and the Evil, Wicked, Mean and Nasty useless fucking US goobermint.

Do it for the children, Lord.

Fucking A Tweety

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:30 | Link to Comment new game
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yeah, duk a fuk

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment 29.5 hours
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The media is still fixated on the screwed-up Web site rather than the screwed-up law. The site is fixable (whoop) but the law is not. The dirty thing needs to be scraped off the books.

 

 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:30 | Link to Comment Bosch
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The site is fixable...just not by them. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment new game
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facism marches on; no change forseen. just moar goob social justice for all!

next up is goob home theft via taxation...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:25 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Let a porn site manage ObamaCare...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I stand in the presence of brilliance.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment Smiley
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It would be running flawlessly in 48 hours.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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Re 248 signed up for OBamaCare on day 2

 

What they fail to mention is that at least 130 of the above were actually attempting to sign-up for some lurid fare on SlamBamaMama.com and accidently clicked on the wrong Google Search link....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment new game
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ps. your septic system is non-compliant. 12 months to comply or we will do it 2x and bill you via taxation, the ultimate lien.

dear goob minion; your way of thinking is non-compliant...

you derive your power from my wealth.

by the power of what? taxation?

hmmmm.

sumting wrong here...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Muleskinner - nice prayer that pretty much sums up everything plaguing us....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:28 | Link to Comment justtotaketheedgeoff
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She lied under oath. She committed perjury.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment One And Only
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Bush's fault.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:33 | Link to Comment Bosch
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God let's hope the poor staffer tasked with delivering the numbers to 0bama was wearing Google glasses. 

 

"Alright guys, have many do we have so far?" 

Silence. 

"Guys?" 

"Six, Mr. President." 

"Six million that is pretty good." 

"No sir, ugh 6 total. 6 people." 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment new game
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"but sir, by day two we had a 4000 percent increase"

"call the media, that will work"

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:43 | Link to Comment One And Only
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For a black guy this is actually a pretty good roll out. I thought it would have been worse.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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You caught us.....we're all just a bunch of racists. It's just that we're also pretty good at math.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Boy these numbers are even worse than Obama's HAMP speech figures. Everything this guy touches turns to stone. 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:53 | Link to Comment tradewithdave
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You built that.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment One And Only
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This website better be readable and functional in 150 languages or I'm suing over discrimination.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:59 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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....and the Arabic had better be sharia compliant.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:07 | Link to Comment One And Only
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 yes. No women without skii masks on the site. This site has to be fair for everyone.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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This will be verified via hacked cams from the NSA.  Smile!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 08:59 | Link to Comment esum
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the MAJORITY of those signing up are getting MEDICARE... and guess who is going to pay for that. obumblercare is nothng but a huge diversion of hard earned money from earners to parasites.. it will destroy the economy and we will have another recession...it will be funded by large tax increases at the state level... hello Nuevo York, can you smell me now??? smells like obamashit his pants again...si se puede 

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:15 | Link to Comment El Hosel
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That helps expalin why Barry's approval rating is not at Zero yet, 254 people with new reason to cling to "the hope and change" promise.

Its all Bullish for "The Market" though, keep the change and squeeze the shorts for end of the month statements.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment One And Only
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You meant Medicaid. I know, the gaggle fuck of centrally planned government programs is hard to keep track of.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment JR
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“Obamacare will put Medicaid increasingly at the heart of our health-care system.”

But do not confuse Medicare with Medicaid. Medicaid is welfare. Unlike Medicaid, Medicare is not limited to those with low incomes and resources. Working Americans pay into Medicare all of their lives, even after they retire.

“On average,” says NewRetirement, “Medicare beneficiaries aged 65-74 spend $2,920 a year in out-of-pocket expenses. Those aged 75-84 spend $3,815, a year. And, those 85 and above spend $4,615 a year – an average of 30 percent of their income."

And “perhaps worst of all – none of these health insurance options offer long term care health insurance. Most also don't cover vision, dental care, hearing aids or prescription drugs.”

John Hood, president of the John Locke Foundation, reports that under Obamacare “expect some 16 million more Americans to sign up for Medicaid (welfare) between 2014 (when the new rules go into effect) and 2019. This enormous increase in the Medicaid rolls represents about half of Obamacare's projected reduction in the number of uninsured Americans."

HOWEVER, says the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, “More than 9 million low-income seniors and people with disabilities — so-called “dual eligibles” — are enrolled in both Medicare and Medicaid." !!!!

This means the government is blurring the lines between Medicare and Medicaid – forcing Medicare recipients to use their fund to further subsidize Medicaid recipients, freeing up more tax money for Congress to waste..

The Center reported on May 8, 2013 that “in 2012, Medicaid provided health coverage for 67 million low-income Americans over the course of the year, including 32 million children, 19 million adults (mostly low-income working parents), 6 million seniors, and 11 million persons with disabilities. according to Congressional Budget Office estimates.”

Mark mchugh wrote on ZH yesterday that the bottom line is that “of the $2.7 Trillion Americans spent on healthcare in 2011, $1.2 trillion came directly from the government.”

Said McHugh: “But those figures do not count the health insurance cost of government employees or all the people who get paid by the government indirectly (defense contractors, etc). That's easily another $500 billion, so government actually paid at least 63% (with all the trickle-down, it's even higher) of all healthcare costs, so healthcare's not really private industry.

“Healthcare now represents over 17% of GDP,” he said, “and here's where it gets crazy...these morons worship at the altar of GDP, so they won't do anything to lower the costs because that would mean losing precious GDP.  So rest assured Obamacare will be ‘pro-growth.’"

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2223

http://www.newretirement.com/Services/Medicare_Supplemental_Insurance.aspx

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:13 | Link to Comment dontgoforit
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Google Faraday box barges.  Drone swarm launch platforms - fire at will.  Drones with chips of shape, temperature and movement recognition.  Fly straight down so you don't hear or see them coming, and pop, your done.  They fly & seek.  Virtually no escape options if you're outside.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment TalkToLind
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The local media circus here devoted (wasted) the entire newscast last night to "clearing up" misconceptions about Obamacare.  They even had a panel of Obamacare "experts" on to help lull the sheeple into blissful compliance.  And worst of all, they bumped the hot weathercaster with the big jugs, she was on-air for less than 60 seconds.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment youngman
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Just think if this was a privvate company and this was the big launch....they would be out of business....but not for a government ..this will drag on forever...until they go back to a paper application....which i think will happen...

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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Just double the staff at the dmv's, post offices and employment offices and keep the money for doing nothing.  "More red beer for my horses!"

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment dbTX
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Forward !!

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Handful of Dust
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"Mission Accomplished!"

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:24 | Link to Comment dobermangang
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Close enough for Government work.  Give them all raises and bonuses.  Job well done.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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The old ship was burning down the whole town; there's no going back, get over it.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:28 | Link to Comment One And Only
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Remember obombo carting out those 3 Americans on teevee? That was half of all enrolled Americans on day one.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:29 | Link to Comment shutupnsing
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What rational-minded weell-informed American... http://shutupnsing.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/the-unaffordable-corruption-act/ would turn their life over to the Regime?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Debt Slave
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Keep up the good work, Barry. After working over 35 years I am starting to think that it is better to receive than it is to give. At this rate, I am coming to the conclusion that it is better to join them than it is to fight.

Why should I keep getting up at 5:30 AM and putting up with bullshit everyday when I can sleep late and receive a check? It's starting to look more attractive with each passing day. I mean, is there anyone here who doesn't realize that those of us who work and produce are being punished, and the PARASITES that produce nothing are rewarded? Damn.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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Will the website have clickable ads?  Perhaps we can pay for this thing (and the debt) through millions of clicks on Snorg Tees.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Smiley
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I have never in all my life felt such contempt and disgust for group of corrupt, incompetent, charlatan, fucksticks as we have now in DC.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Blano
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Just wait til the next batch.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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Onobslobber will have to pay other suckers like he does to get people to showup to his psyco babble speeches about how good he is at everything.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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+1 for Onobslobber

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment chinaboy
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Do we know how much it cost the tax payer to fund this startup?

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Debt Slave
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The figure I heard on CBS News was $394 million. Yeah.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:49 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Darrell Issa is the Classy Freddie Blassey of the gov.  Just another showman.  Where O is king of the speeches that result in nothing, Issa is the king of questioning people that results in nothing.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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an example of our rule by a mono party: 70% in multiple polls over the years want our southern border secure..70% did not want tarp..do pols fear voters? if they did one would think both these issues would have been treated as the public wanted..need anymore proof of the elite rule of America, oh you do...look at free trade and the impact on jobs in ol usa, the most bread and butter issue you can find..yet tax breaks and off shoring are never touched by either party..oh you need more? wars fought ad nauseum with some combat avoiding pres saying "no nation building" is my promise..keep voting it may work some day. or not.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment chemystical
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..and a huge majority didnt want us in iraq, and a huge majority etc etc,

the pols don't give a fuck.  they follow orders of the people who line their pockets - the same people who guarantee face time on the talking head circuit and softball questions....i.e. re-election.  True dissenters have ZERO chance of appearing on any of the Sunday morning shows or of being portrayed favorably in the press or of appearing in ANY televised debate.

THE POINT OF THIS EXERCISE IS TO CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION...NOT worry about it.

Roll back the calendar and check out America's views on homosexuality.  Enter MTV, Ellen, Wiil & Grace, Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, "Billy Has Two Daddy's" in your kids' homework assignments....et voila!

Do the same for abortion.  Indoctrinate the youths in the publik edukation kamps, give a megaphone and camera time ONLY to your lackeys and useful idiots, and then it's just a waiting game.  Tell everyone what 'normal' is, then show everyone what 'normal' is; because few of us want to be out of step with 'normal'.

..............

C-SPAN was supposed to be less biased but the producer's rolodex is definitely heavy on the status quo and the local synagogues.  Most people wouldn't have a fucking clue what the American Enterprise Institute is except that C-SPAN acted as their PR Dept. 

Meet The Press?  Let's hear what our regular panelists Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, and Thomas Friedman think (and therefore what you too should think).  <What?? Chuck Todd's a Jew?  No way.  No wonder they opposed wearing Stars of David.  Otherwise the name changing mimicry and assimilation wouldn't work>

Fox News Sunday? Let's hear what Chris Wallace, Charles Krauthammer, Jennifer Rubin, and another Jew ju jour think (and therefore what you too should think)

CNN's Candy Crowley's show hot on the heels of Howard Kurtz's.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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I think the first six people who signed up were inmates at Guantanamo Bay with a gun held to their heads.

Personally I hope everyone signs up. Then I can watch the USA deal with a national riot.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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lol......only one torture test dummy five times and one private with the captains gun in his ear.

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Six people the first day?  Quick, double the government staff, full bennies, doubletime and one-half 'cuz we're getting swamped; plus it's ok to wear fuzzy slippers to the office and curlers in your hair.....

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment deerhunter
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second to snorg tees click ads,,the working class has been stolen from for years.  The buying power of the dollar has slid by more than 70% since the 1980s.  This won't end well.  Americans are waking up because finally there is overt action to open the wallets even more than what occurs April 15th every year.  Giving the IRS power to fine for noncompliance should have ignited a fire in the land.  Not even any smoke.  I had the misfortune of owing the IRS many thousands of dollars in the 80s after a divorce.  It wasn't pleasant and I didn't enjoy it a bit.  It finally came down to a shouting match on the phone when an IRS collector told me how much money they would allow me to live on after determing my take home pay as I was a salaried employee at the time.  What they wanted me to live on was the 25% of my take home they deemed was enough.  They wanted the other 75% per month until my balance was paid off.  I told them "I rent my house,  I lease my car,  there is enough money in my check book to pay my rent and car lease,  go ahead and freeze it.  If you want 75% of my take home you will have to come and get it from me in person and all my guns are loaded,  good luck with that."  About an hour later yet another "supervisor"  called me and said there appeared to be a problem and could we discuss it.  He agreed to about a third of what the original idiot asked in payment and thought I should feel much better.  You don't want the IRS on your ass.  I forsee a whole bunch of IRS conversations just like mine taking place.  Is it time for the fire yet?  Good weekend to all,  I am heading to the woods to gather some venison.  Hope to shoot straight.  

Fri, 11/01/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment betterlockaway
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As a beautiful woman of the modern age said so eloquently, "at this point, what difference does it make.".  A majority on Americans voted for this guy and we are stuck with him.  No one has the guts to pursue criminal investigations regarding the BHO admin.  I think it is going to get much worse before it gets any better.  The economy is royally fukked.  And btw WHO IS JOHN GALT?

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