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Guest Post: Preparing For A North Korean Collapse

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Submitted by Michael Miner of The Diplomat,

A report by Bruce Bennett and the RAND Corporation has brought attention to one of the most important issues for international politics. Ironically, despite being a region of vital interest within American foreign policy, there has been very little public discussion of what to do in the event of government collapse in North Korea. Bennett’s timely report provides a series of vital contributions to the discussion and further outlines the lack of preparation in political, social, economic and military terms. Yet beyond the critical end game for the Korean peninsula are deeper questions concerning how any international force might respond. Specifically, how can the U.S. and Republic of Korea effectively mobilize regional powers with their differing security and development goals?

International cooperation can alleviate geopolitical tension and inform policymakers while sharpening the tools of statecraft in preparation for engaging the uncertainties of an all but certain crisis on the horizon. The U.S. must begin to consider the requirements of intervention – not to depose a totalitarian regime for the sake of an ideological crusade, but as pragmatic, necessary planning in the event weapons of mass destruction enter the calculus as a credible, serious danger.

Unpredictable North Korean rhetoric offers scant evidence for anticipating or understanding Pyongyang’s tightly managed system of control. Indeed, many revolutionary or transformational periods in history have been poorly anticipated by external actors whom otherwise might have played a more constructive role in their outcome. Invisible factional rivalries, natural or man-made disasters, and blurred lines of sovereign authority are only a few factors that might contribute to the collapse of the totalitarian system. Resulting anarchy involving weapons of mass destruction and the internal struggle for power should prompt the most serious concern. The event of nuclear use, or clear evidence of momentary launch, could escalate to outright conflict and plunge East Asia into a tumultuous period with unforeseen consequences. Yes, nuclear threats and open hostility follow a longstanding pattern of belligerent rhetoric from Pyongyang, but prolonged uncertainty only heightens the risk of miscalculation. A major crisis scenario that destabilizes the North Korean government and its mechanisms of control, no matter how unlikely, should prompt the international community to consider a multilateral framework for intervention.

Any comprehensive framework committed to stabilization and reconstruction must consider cross-cutting principles that can be directed toward achieving the desirable end state of a peaceful Korean peninsula. First, Seoul could lead the process of Korean unification backed by the political legitimacy of a democratic state faced with an imminent threat on its territorial border. A legitimate claim to self defense reinforces the long-term goal of Korean unification under the auspices of a self-sufficient and transparent democratic government, a favorable outcome quickly gaining traction in Beijing. Second, and most important to the international community, stability could be achieved through a unity of effort by regional security partners seeking to move the peninsula from conflict to a manageable level of development. Quelling a potentially transnational civil war involving weapons of mass destruction is a vital interest of regional neighbors and the international community alike. Finally, the incorporation of non-governmental organizations holds the potential to dramatically accelerate the process of modernization and diminish long-term social and economic inequalities that could manifest into political grievances following unification. Toward this end game, and before major reconstruction, any intervening force must achieve minimal levels of stability in terms of physical and human geography.

The first step toward planning a credible response is to consider the absence of a totalitarian regime previously possessing rigid control over territory, weapons of mass destruction, and the civilian population. Working under the assumption that Chinese and South Korean border issues could be mitigated by their respective militaries, and WMD tracked and secured by American military forces working alongside integrated allies, the preeminent question becomes one of human security. Specifically, how to deal with twenty million physically and psychologically scarred individuals as an operational challenge. Regardless of the ongoing struggle for power and stability, these individuals represent a major hurdle for any external force crossing the 38th parallel and constitute the bulk of human terrain. For many, their day-to-day lives reflect a permanent wartime experience, an existence on the edge that has defined families for more than three generations. Devout loyalty to the North Korean system is arguably so ingrained within many citizens, it is difficult to project how the majority of individuals would behave after the cataclysmic event of totalitarian collapse.

There would likely be a profound absence of the overarching stability that has come to define the norm within Pyongyang’s invasive culture of oppression. Beyond fundamental necessities of food, water, shelter and physical security, what unforeseen conditions might an external group encounter among the civilian population? The disintegration, or even transformation, of this familiar norm would potentially compound dangerous social, economic and political inadequacies while pushing individuals past an already desperate state of existence. To paraphrase experts, exposure to an event involving potential death or serious injury to the self or others leads to intense states of fear, helplessness or horror. Under this scenario, an outside group would likely encounter upwards of twenty million individuals suffering from the effects of severe grief and incapacitating post-traumatic stress disorder. These reactions might appear as abnormal reactions to normal stress, but inside the reality of North Korea, it would reflect a normal reaction to abnormal stress. Whether an intervening humanitarian force, or an individual state dealing with refugees fleeing across its border, responsible powers should not overlook such a traumatic moment for geopolitics.

Lessons in Iraq and Afghanistan point to a roadmap for civilian engagement strategies that could be applied though cooperative security action. Provincial reconstruction teams (PRT) represented a concerted effort to utilize joint civil-military teams to provide security and support development efforts during conflict and subsequent reconstruction. There have been three distinct models with varying composition that demonstrated different levels of effectiveness. In particular, the British model placed a high emphasis on civil-military integration and partnerships, in contrast to U.S. and German PRT models led by the military. The British model also had a high level of responsiveness to suggestions made by non-governmental organizations and other civilian organizations that specialized in the regional, cultural and social aspects of the operational environment. This cooperative aspect would be integral for any international force composed of distinct – and potentially rival – powers. Competitive realpolitik might further be dampened by sharing mission responsibilities and incorporating nongovernment organizations from each state involved – especially humanitarian organizations.

A larger variance of the British model could include units from regional security partners tasked with specific operational assignments dependent on capability. South Korea would take the lead in political and cultural affairs with the Ministry of Unification serving as the central governing authority working in tandem with local North Korean elements able to manage districts. The United States and China would be capable for providing major logistical and military support and, in addition to securing any weapons of mass destruction, assist South Korean forces in a shape, clear, and hold strategy with Seoul leading the building phase and directing international support to areas where it is most needed. This would represent an all-encompassing effort led by and for the Korean people to generate conflict-free zones of human development, areas paramount toward long-term stability where additional foreign aid could accelerate the healing process for a nation torn asunder for more than three generations.

Traditional units tasked with reconstruction could focus on adequate sources of fresh water and critical infrastructure. Japanese units with specialist medical and engineering equipment that performed admirably in the past could begin to tangibly mend historical divides between Seoul, Pyongyang and Tokyo. Currency guarantees and mechanisms for market stability could be implemented to address widespread looting, hording, black market trading, and increasing civil violence. North Korean political elites and individuals capable of assuming leadership positions in regional zones of development might be seconded as conduits for resource management. Outside specialist humanitarian units familiar with Korean culture would go a measurable way toward winning hearts and minds, or at least maintaining a sense of normalcy for a nation experiencing social, political, and economic trauma on a massive scale. Additional sociological attaches could only better equip forces to better redress problems as they arise: it could be a force multiplier. Indeed, the most effective force deployed alongside security teams might be a brigade of social scientists able to support field operations, an unconventional approach in many respects, but North Korea is the unconventional state of the modern era.

For the U.S., this reflects not only the reality of resource scarcity and austere military budgets, but is a better approach that draws on the expertise of non-government experts that comprehend social and economic dimensions better than many civil servants and military units spread across a wide assortment of responsibilities. Establishing cultural awareness and mapping the human terrain also creates major operational advantages for American forces. Burden sharing with South Korea, Japan and China not only alleviates stress on the United States, but can efficiently marshal capability without approaching the maximum, national effort often associated with the American way of war. Follow-up development efforts and foreign investment would also be most effectively applied when first directed by and for the Korean people. In concert with a limited military focus on security, these foundational partnerships can develop the capability and flexibility necessary for navigating the dangers of a major crisis on the Korean peninsula.

Nobody should actively seek intervention based solely on the rhetoric of human rights violations or ideological principles. Yet responsible great powers should prepare for the eventuality as seldom has a major crisis occurred with significant warning and the luxuries of foresight. Active stewardship can remedy grievous human rights violations, alleviate regional security concerns, and dampen great power competition. An evolving plan of action can equip the international community to deal with known challenges while simultaneously developing the organizational capacity to marshal an effective response to the unknown dynamics that emerge during a crisis. A credible plan of action might also encourage more responsible behavior by the Kim regime and decrease the likelihood of any major crisis requiring intervention. Zeroing in on the core human security dynamics that impact the day-to-day lives of each individual is the first step toward crafting a more complete picture of the humanitarian crisis in the Hermit Kingdom. Preparing for the unthinkable is not a simple moral imperative, but responsible leadership in the twenty-first century.


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Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4116410 XenoFrog
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Most western countries are too busy trying to model their governments into what North Korea has.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:46 | 4116501 Hedgetard55
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Fuck the Koreans.


Listen to some genius here to get through this night.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:49 | 4116781 DoChenRollingBearing
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I found the Koreans (South) to be pretty tough and well-educated.  The ones I dealt with (the export and production guys at their bearing companies ALL worked 60 hour weeks, they all had families) were all "world-class" businessmen and engineers.

If the Korean situation gets resolved in a peaceful way, with a democratic type government, East Asia will become a very different place.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:35 | 4116812 thisandthat
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"well-educated"... but definitely not well-mannered, specially when you, as a tourist, start to speak anything other than korean on the bus, even just between foreigners...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:47 | 4116855 Manthong
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If we can absorb 20 million Mexicans, the freaking Chinese can absorb 20 million North Koreans.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:02 | 4116979 kaiserhoff
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I have no experience in Asia, but most people adjust to having more money and freedom in about .2 microseconds.

  Anyone remember the fall of the Berlin Wall?


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:24 | 4116999 Keyser
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The author of the article should be more concerned about the collapse of the western monetary system. Should NK go tits-up, the South Koreans and Chinese will step in. Why the west is even contemplating this shows their hubris to their own situation. 


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:18 | 4117354 mjcOH1
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The Chinese will eat them, make magic powders out of them, or grind them up as supplements in baby formula sold to the idle-entitled at Walmart.  Problem solved.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:26 | 4117974 Freddie
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It is the scummy Rand Corp. - think tank for the NWO. They run simulations on how the elites could kill millions.   Search on a non-google search engine for Alex Jones Infowars and The Rand Corp.  He hates The Rand Corp.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:25 | 4117001 johnQpublic
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author is out of his god damn mind



let them figure it out on their own, come up with their own form of freedom and government

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:12 | 4117048 oak
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the diplomat is based in tokyo, japan.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:37 | 4117080 buckethead
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Here is an awesome documentary that eminated from North Korea. Just get past the Dear Leader crap in the beginning. There is real value here.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:26 | 4117003 Landrew
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Yes Ido, I also know the most popular T-shirt in WEST Berlin is RE-BUILD THE WALL!  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:52 | 4117163 AbbeBrel
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The former East Germany has had the benefit of 22 years and counting of a "Solidarity Tax" from the Deutschland states from the helpful former West German states.   It is a temporary tax, like all taxes LOL.   One can expect some sort of "Soli Tax" from the south to the north in the ritual SheepleShearing by promising politicians (is there any other species?).


Looking forward to the US Gubmint Soli Tax to bail out state's public pensions...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:07 | 4117711 disabledvet
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I think California already has a "soli tax" actually. (utilities demanded all roof top solar be torn down or something to said effect.) Needless to say a "work around" has been instituted called Tesla and Solar City...among other things (Prop 9 or 13 or whatever that law is that caps your real value at time of purchase.) Just what America needs of course..."land war in Asia." you won't here me whining about "no engagement with Syria" if this is the alternative. But as with Syria the Service Chiefs are ready for this one as well.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:49 | 4116821 A Nanny Moose
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East Asia will become a very different place.

Indeed. We will always have been at war with "them."

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:34 | 4116595 ebworthen
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China will be in there lickety split.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:54 | 4116628 Arius
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exactly it is china's sphere of influence ...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:04 | 4116643 Antifaschistische
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Do North Koreans feel more Korean, or more Chinese.   I apologize for my ignorance.

Either way...divide the country in some way...South Korean gets the south and China gets the North.   The North Koreans would probably be releived either way.

problem solved.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:50 | 4116726 Call me Ishmael
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Maybe the North Koreans made those stock market trades right before 911 that profited from the attacks. Remember those?

Or maybe it was these guys...

You know, the guys that have cartel controls on finance, government, media, porn, The Eskimos of course. Did I say Eskimos? I meant Jews.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:05 | 4116738 Call me Ishmael
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What if instead of Jews they were Gypsies, or Bloods and Crips? Would I be racists? Are they a race? What is their culture?

What gives this cult the right to take over centers of power with their buddy system?

They didn't get there by way of talent because they are incompetent and committing wholesale fraud.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:54 | 4117025 unrulian
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That reminds me.... Where TF is Francis_S lately?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:33 | 4117203 Colonel Klink
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Shitcanned by the new PC management I'm sure.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:43 | 4116777 DoChenRollingBearing
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First, virtually all Koreans speak Korean, their history since about 800 AD has been as mostly one country.  They have their own word that translates, at least roughly, as "Koreanness".

I believe that the S Koreans really have a deep desire for a peaceful reunification.  Their policies may not be correct (but I am NO EXPERT on Korea) and erratic, but it is what they want.

I read through the Comments before posting this, a lot of you are very knowledgeable!  I have been there (SK) just once, as a buyer of Korean bearings.  My best guess is that if the US is out, and the Chinese retain a lot of clout (Korea has historically been closer to China than Japan) when the North Korean Kim Dynasty falls, that would be about the best we could hope for.  With some give-and-take, China manages the North, the South and the USA help.

The original author is right, IMO, that an serious international effort would be necessary to maintain a peaceful North Korea, a deeply scarred and clueless country.

And a commenter below remarked that a combined Korea (some 70,000,000) would be a serious economic power at some point.  Yes...

+ 1 to Tyler and to all of you for an excellent discussion of an obscure but very serious geopolitical problem.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:03 | 4116867 Fiat Envy
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I would say that older conservative South Koreans have a strong desire to see reunification but younger South Koreans are much less interested in reunification given the economic problems it will bring.  I don't think China wants to be put in a position where they have to "manage" a collapsed North Korea either, I suspect that is why they prop up the Kim regime.  I think China would accept a unified Korea as long as it didn't result in US troops on their border. I do agree that a unified Korea would be powerful economically if they managed to make it through the first decade more or less intact but I don't think they could do it on their own.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:01 | 4116944 NidStyles
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Except you're wrong it's the younger folks that want re-unification. The older folks just want to win their war...

As far as the South is considered there, they are still at war with the North.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:54 | 4117095 Fiat Envy
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I have personally heard dozens of people over 55 say they dreamed of re-unification, and by that I mean peaceful re-unification.  I cannot recall having heard anyone under 45, or 46 if you prefer, say they dreamed of re-unification.  Younger people tend to wonder what that means for their standard of living and their childrens standard of living and give lukewarm support at best.  That said support for humanitarian aid for the poor in the north runs through ever age group and across party lines, if the north collapsed tomorrow people in the south would feel duty bound to help the people in the north.  Korea is a homogenous country and when Koreans settle on a course of action are capable of acting with a unity and devotion that is shocking to people raised in multicultural western countries.  It is possible that people in the south will feel it is their duty re-unite the country, if that happens they will simple do it, but I am telling you that support for re-unification isn't what you might think it is by watching the news or talking to older businessmen and diplomats.

 As far as winning the war goes, I don't think ordinary people in the south give much thought to the war other than on June 6th or when the north launches one of its hair brained attacks.  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:44 | 4118007 Freddie
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The South had been a poor country decades ago and now they are fairly wealthy.  They like their higher standard of living and reunicication will cost a LOT of $$$.  West Germans, a few years into reunicication, wished they had built the wall higher because of the taxes they had to pay and things changed.  Russians and Easterners also had more access to reunited Germany.  A lot of older West Germans were not too happy about the whole deal.

N and S Korea are like two different planets.  The N Koreans are so brainwashed that they are like Americans who watch TV and Hollywood's shit.  Stupid and totally brainwashed robots.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:50 | 4118021 DoChenRollingBearing
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Freddie wrote re Norks: "Stupid and totally brainwashed robots."

Harsh, but essentially true (is my understanding).

South Korea would be on the hook for many BILLIONS, but, the way those guys work, I think it could be done.  Then you have a new player in East Asia.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:08 | 4117343 HoleInTheDonut
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Preparing for the NK collapse?  U.S. contribution should be to create about 50 moth-balled, prefabbed NIKE factories.  That's the future of North Korea.  No military prep required.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:53 | 4117891 StychoKiller
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NIKEs?  Ya mean these Nikes, or the shoes?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:55 | 4116860 sessinpo
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ebworthen    China will be in there lickety split.


Arius     exactly it is china's sphere of influence ...




I disagree. China only puts up a front. Of course China wants the sphere of influence. It has that already simply by logistics, regardless of what the US does. If the US has to get REALLY involved, that would be like the US paying alimony to an ex wife that is now living with the pool boy. In other words, financially, it would cost the US more then China.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:13 | 4117119 screw face
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(((((BRIIICS)))))...will fix

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:51 | 4116724 GenXer
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Jim Rogers called the collapse of North Korea sometime ago. He even bought up as many regime minted gold coin sets as he could predicting their collectablity when the collaspe happens.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:23 | 4116843 Capitalist87
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He actually bought all of them. I asked him how anyone else can invest in N. Korea because he bought all the gold coins and all he could say was, "Yes I did buy them all". Jim believes that Korea will be unified again within the next 4, 5, or 6 years. The South and North will combine and create a power house because of the cheap labor in the North and the capital in the South. I don't believe China will get involved because they have too many of their own to worry about, though I am sure some of the North Koreans will trickle into China at some point. Lets see if he is right yet again!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:55 | 4117900 StychoKiller
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Currently, it's in China's best interests to have a split Korea -- one less competitor.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:03 | 4117103 RSloane
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The US best be worried about the collapse of their Northern cities versus what happens anywhere else.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:08 | 4117111 spanish inquisition
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So the issue with North Korea is that the wrong dictator is in charge.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4116412 Joebloinvestor
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First, make a lot of body bags.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:06 | 4116419 prains
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Bullet Stoppers 'R US, hasn't fully implemented its recruitement plan, the SNAP cards are still being reloaded so any plan has to be stalled until the populas has been fully "motivated"

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:11 | 4116432 Peter Pan
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I think those crazy North Koreans will get what they want when they threaten to send a missile to Fukushima.

Having said that it takes a great deal of courage to prepare for the inevitable.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:18 | 4117122 screw face
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+1 PP


They won't need to...somebody has bigger and better bombs...

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:11 | 4116436 Peter Pan
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I think those crazy North Koreans will get what they want when they threaten to send a missile to Fukushima.

Having said that it takes a great deal of courage to prepare for the inevitable.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:15 | 4116441 Peter Pan
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Sorry for double post. I must be getting trigger happy.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:25 | 4116467 jon dough
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Thank God, I thought it was the scotch...

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:22 | 4116459 NIHILIST CIPHER

Ever notice how TPTB never seem to arrive until AFTER the genocide? It is always perfectly clear that they knew about the carnage as it progressed but can't seem to mobilize to save the day until after millions are dead. WHY IS THAT? 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:25 | 4116579 Clever Name
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I get your point, would prefer what exactly? US military intervention?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:04 | 4116735 NIHILIST CIPHER

Canada, France, Italy... anyone that stills gives a rats arse about human life. N. Korea is pitch black in nightime satelite photos while S. Korea is lit up like a Christmas tree. You know why? Because there is hardly anyone left in that shithole. I weep for those poor bastards. How long before it is our turn? 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:07 | 4116948 NidStyles
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It is their own fault they supported a dictatorship. Unless you magically think that those people were there innocently while that war was going on.... Then I have to remind you that Korea has never had large cities until after the war,.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:38 | 4117081 NIHILIST CIPHER

@NIDSTYLES    Amerika just supported a dictator in the last two elections (myself not included). Mao offed 68 million, Lenin 31 million, Hitler 11 million. Are FEMA camps just a scare tactic? How do you think WE are immune? I guess you believe the next election cycle will make this jackbooted regime disappear. 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4116413 stant
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chinas mexico

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:06 | 4116417 LetThemEatRand
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Is this like when a chunk of a Mayan temple collapses?

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:06 | 4116418 dick cheneys ghost
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get that rothschilds bank ready.......

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:28 | 4116960 PT
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The international community has to help the North Koreans with this difficult transition...

A bit like when older siblings help the younger ones with the "difficult transition" from "younger sibling" to "younger sibling with a box of chocolates." 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:07 | 4116424 suteibu
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It reads like justification for invasion;  "Let's just go ahead and get this over with for the good of all people."

North Korea is China's problem as long as US troops are in South Korea.  For the US to attempt to move into a collapsing N Korea is asking for a different level of trouble.  If N Korea collapses, the US would have no reason to occupy S Korea, China and S Korea could clean up the mess and set the stage for reunification of the peninsula.  Sadly, that scenario is against US interests and will never be allowed.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:13 | 4116439 dick cheneys ghost
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good point


The N Korean people need debt and lots of it.........who's goin give it to, the Rothschilds or the Chinese? Uncle Sam is just the police force for the International Bankers

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:23 | 4116568 Freddie
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Maybe the USA and N Korea could swap leaders.  Americans are yearning for freedom.  Freedom isn't free and I am ready to kick in my buck o five.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:19 | 4116448 HulkHogan
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China would like to own North Korea because it would put pressure on Japan. Someday the US will turn North Korea into a Democracy, peacefully, to ensure China doesn't cause trouble. North Korea's leadership loves US popular culture, so celebrities like Rodman will continue to be used as this transition happens.


Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:30 | 4116475 suteibu
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You are mistaken.  North Korea exists as a buffer between China and US occupied South Korea.  Despite economic advances, the PLA will not sit still for US troops on their border in North Korea.  The only peaceful way forward for the Korean Peninsula is for the US to withdraw its troops and allow the Koreas to reunify.

If North Korea leadership collapses, the point for the article, what is left are millions of Koreans on both sides who would like to rebuild their families.  Having the US involved will never bring peace to the region.  Or do you think East Asia is any different than any other area around the world which has been subject to America's Democracy Building™?

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:50 | 4116508 Anusocracy
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North Korea would be an ideal candidate for a government free economic zone.

Same with Detroit.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:53 | 4116515 therevolutionwas
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I imagine there are gazillions of north koreans just itching to be a capitalist (to just have the damn liberty to work their head off to make a living and keep the profit).  I would look forward to investing in a country like that.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:58 | 4116523 suteibu
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Indeed.  I believe that the reunification of Korea will be much different than that of Germany....if the Koreans are left alone to work it out.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:35 | 4116698 Freddie
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I agree that So Korea should deal with it with NK.   NK is a far bigger basket case than East Germany was.   Germany did a pretty good job and it was incredibly expensive.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:54 | 4116788 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ suteibu and Freddie

Yes, a calm American withdrawl with a solid agreement with China for peaceful Korean unification would be about the best possible result.

Korea, AFAI could tell, respects the Chinese more than they do the still hated Japan.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:01 | 4117171 Sizzurp
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I am not sure that Kim Jong-un, or his military will go down without a fight.  If their back is up against the wall what do they have to lose.  Maybe China would offer a few of them asylum and usher them out of there before the NK people get their well deserved justice.  

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:03 | 4116537 therevolutionwas
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Oh,  forgot to say;  yes get US military- gov't influence (my frickin tax dollars) out of south korea. 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:59 | 4116636 Arius
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your tax douler?  slow down... you are just a working man ... the doulers going there are print freshly daily by the owners of this country .... they do not give a shit for your taxes .... can print as much as they please to

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:34 | 4117070 therevolutionwas
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If the US didn't care about my tax 'doulers' why do they threaten me at the point of a gun to "pay them or else"?  But yeah, they print what they want.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:28 | 4116759 Cistercian
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You know I would like to live in a country like that too...
and I live in the USA!

Go figure!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:31 | 4117075 therevolutionwas
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Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:12 | 4116437 Running On Bing...
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I will open chain of Bingdu Treatment Center of America. Switch habit over to CIA/Harvard engineered medical marihuana.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:55 | 4117425 shovelhead
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CIA/ Harvard engineered med. MJ.

That's funny. You'd be lucky to find a handful of either who could roll a decent joint.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:48 | 4117516 Running On Bing...
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It's not joints that they are trying to roll, it's your will.


Ex-CIA agents sue Kansas police who raided their suburban home for drugs... after they bought special equipment to grow vegetables indoors, NO VEGETABLES FOUND.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:19 | 4116450 Stinko da Munk
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Let's have a bake sale.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:21 | 4116455 Seize Mars
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Ok first of all, part of me thinks that the Korean War was really just another desperate way for China to reduce their population count. I know a guy who was there.

Anyways, make no mistake about it: there is a "plan." It involves dismantling the Soviets, and Sovietizing America. The Soviet "collapse" was not spontaneous, neither would be a NK "collapse."

(Kind of tired of being right all the time.)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:21 | 4116675 olto
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That's ok-----you get a break on this one "of being right all the time"----read a little history----the grunts that were there were 18 year old conscripts who had no idea of anything poloitical'

Yeah, being wrong will refresh you-----'good job', SM!

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:22 | 4116456 kito
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Relax, Dennis Rodman is already pegged to take the reins

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:01 | 4116638 Arius
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now i can go to sleep always thanx for the heads up!

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:22 | 4116461 TomGa
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It would make one hell of a FEMA camp, or a GITMO East.  Barbed wire already installed.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:00 | 4116529 IndyPat
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Forced feelings would be kinda tricky.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:28 | 4116471 Reaper
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The World's greatest planners, Obama and Kerry, will step in. Obama will declare himself the new Dear Leader of North Korea. The North Korean people will rejoice. The Obamacare central planning committee will take over planning for North Korea. The North Koreans will sense nothing but the face of the Dear Leader has changed.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:29 | 4116472 Running On Bing...
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When Katsumasa Suzuki, an opposition MP, pointed out that the incidence of cancer in Fukushima children has been increasing, he got heckled by other MPs. The Speaker had to ask the MPs to be quiet.

Ostrich city bro.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:18 | 4116990 Running On Bing...
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Alaska Airlines flight attendants say their uniforms are causing rashes and hair loss.

"Must be the detergent used to launder the uniform. It couldn't be radiation poisoning. No never. --Over"

According to Seattle’s King 5 News , the year-old uniforms may contain Tributyl phosphate. The Association of Professional Flight Attendants said 10 percent of the airline’s 2,800 attendants are suffering from itching, hair loss, and other adverse health reactions.

One flight attendant told King 5 News, “I’ve never had a uniform like this. I broke out this week. I broke out on my back first, then on my legs. I don’t know what it is, or whether it’s the uniform. But, I didn’t have it until I flew 6-7 days in a row and then I started breaking out.”

Rashes, Hair Loss Caused by Flight Attendant Uniforms

Tributyl phosphate:
"As it has no odour, it finds use as anti-foaming agent in detergent solutions"

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:26 | 4117129 screw face
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New World...Fukunomics

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:23 | 4116998 Running On Bing...
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Radiation from Japan nuclear plant arrives on Alaska coast

Scientists concerned about lack of monitoring plan

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:29 | 4117004 Running On Bing...
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West Coast sea stars mysteriously dying off

"They get lesions, limbs fall off then they turn into mush, in-mass." Perfectly normal for sea-life, on the west coast that is. --Over.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:43 | 4117008 Running On Bing...
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Marine Mammal Deaths Classified as ‘Unusual Mortality Events’ by Researchers

From NOAA, no less... GOO GOO G’JOOB!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:48 | 4117020 Running On Bing...
Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:31 | 4116474 RafterManFMJ
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The U.S. must begin to consider the requirements of intervention.

The US has to intervene? FUCK YOU CUNT!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:28 | 4117132 screw face
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...Fukunomics 101

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:30 | 4116476 LeisureSmith
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To bring about the collapse of North Korea and introduce the world to an international military force is what i read.

This article hits all the fashionable buzzwords in all it's game theoretical transnationalist wordgasmic glory. Bravo.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:42 | 4116494 Running On Bing...
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I stopped reading when I saw the word Rand Corp. I went over to my fav Fukushima blog for a looksee.


Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:54 | 4116518 Carl Popper
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And it won't be their kids that put their boots on the ground either

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:41 | 4116497 Poofter Priest
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This write up could apply to many countries. Particularly those with weapons of mass destruction or mass disruption.

Pakistan for one....

At least N.K. has a more cohesive belief system than historically tribal countries.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:46 | 4116500 0b1knob
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North Korea will never collapse.   Both China and South Korea will prop it up forever.   Its in China's interests to keep Korea divided and weak, while the South Koreans don't want to be shackled to corpse. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:40 | 4116816 thisandthat
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If by China you mean the US and Japan, yes...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:33 | 4117138 screw face
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The S. Koreans and the there's a combo for ya!


Fuku 101

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:59 | 4116526 IndyPat
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If we beat them to collapse bit.....well.....that would be something.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:14 | 4116551 putaipan
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yeah,well ....unfortunately those geniouses over at rand have a lot more detailed plans for that eventuality.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:01 | 4116534 earleflorida
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as mentioned in comment above, NK is china's problem, period! the migration of n. korean's into china would be devastating.

japan is amending its constitution? abe wants nuclear weapons as a explicit and direct (threat) message to n.korea's testing the waters on and around (taunting the japanese?) japan. japan has one of the most advanced missile-systems programs in the industrial world and can reconstitute its vast resourses of heu in months... if not already. turning plutonium into warheads is now part of japan's dna since the Chinese and n. korean's have pushed their backs into a economic wall!?!

i'm not picking on china, but, it is advantageous for china to deal with this and s. korea, period!

america has enough on its plate...


Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:09 | 4116544 Bloody Chiclitz
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I've been reading this sort of diplospeak for thirty five years. Very nuanced prose. He probably worked through four drafts over three months. To call the perspective skewed would be very kind. This is the quality of thought that got us the middle east we have today.

Total shit.


Oops, I forgot about the well disciplined army. In my world they jut set down their rifles and go home to wait for for their EBT cards. They don't face off with regional commanders against regional commanders and tear their pathetic raggedy country to bits. Meanwhile the Chinese don't machinegun the crowds of starving refugees rushing the border crossings. Sorry I was hoping the regional powers would cooperate and participate in the building of a lasting and just society.


Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:19 | 4116557 Dr. Bonzo
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What a load of horse shit. Chinese aren't going to let North Korea collapse. No way China is going to tolerate a unified Korean govt that is a military ally of the US right up against their border. Just. Aint. Gonnna. Happen.

Evidence of this? Point of fact, during the famine of the 90s the Chinese basically stepped in and propped up the Norks. They were poised to fall right after KJI kicked the bucket. Have been on their hinds legs ever since. But it's all the international intervening and "humanitarian aid" that keeps the Norks going. South Korean policy is about as wrong-headed as it gets. South Koreans formulated a policy based on an examination of post-unification Germany based on some bullshit policy that unfication had been a disaster for Germany... of course 10-years later Germany is the work horse of Europe, but lets not let facts get in the way of a fucktarded containtment policy. Reunification would probably propel the Korean economy to the 3-5th largest economy in the world in less than a decade, but the Koreans don't seem to grasp this and are too busy kowtowing to China and fucking wih Japan over some dipshit island off their East Coast. They lost sight of the forest thrrough the trees.

The entire international policy toward DPRK is one of the most misguided ones in modern history. Whole episude could have already been a footnote in history but apparently it seems everyone wants to keep them going, and none of the geniuses running the world knows what to do with them, so they let them fester on, exporting nuclear weapons technology to Iran and god-fucking-knows who else, running drugs, and so on and so forth.... fuck this is so boring I'm falling asleep typing about it... not gonna let some Rand-weenie play fucking policy genius and write crap like this unchallenged.

OH, and one more thing. On this Nork rhetoric horse shit. Let's put this buggaboo to rest right now. When the Norks bark... the never bite. When the Norks are absolutely silent... they're up to no goddamned good and watch your six cause the shit about to hit the fan. Just as simple as that.

There. Solved if for yah.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:25 | 4116573 NoWayJose
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Great post! Only two outcomes are possible if North Korea collapses. One is that their starving army attacks South Korea. The other is that the army steps in and takes over government. China will not tolerate a unified Korea that is not communist, and China can trickle food and equipment to North Korea to keep them going.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:34 | 4116591 suteibu
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China doesn't need a communist regime in a unified Korea.  What it does require, however, is no US troops in Korea.  Kind of like how the US won't allow Chinese troops on the Mexico/US border.

Also, the starving N Korean army would not attack S Korea because S Korea would be the first to supply a collapsed N Korea with food and supplies.  Wouldn't you?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:06 | 4116741 Dr. Bonzo
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Actually, I reckon the Chinese have war-gamed this and have infiltrated the Korean Peoples Army and have some high placed agents / Nork Generals in place and if the Kim family dynasty fails the Chinese will ensure a China-friendly KPA continues the regime along lines of your Scenario 2. Pretty strong confirmation of several units attempting to stage coups with Nil result over the last few years. Mostly Brigade level action in border areas along the Yalu. All failed. The Norks have the secuirty apparatus situation down pat. Much like the US, multiple 3-digit style interal security organs in place with varying degrees of authority. About 12 in all. Staging a successful coup has virtually Zero chance. Best chance for NK was actually economic collapse, but the intl community couldn't leave well enough alone.

Norks pose zero existential threat to South Korea, that ship sailed in the 70s. The main threat from the Norks to South Korea is a short intense ground-war, say a 2-week all out assault, and then they retrench to their positions. South Korean economy would be devastated, half of Seoul would be annihliated, civilian casualites could run up to a million depending on type of engagement... and where would we be? Invade North Korea? China won't have it. Prolonged air campaign against Norks until they collapse? China will stall in the Security Council to ensure whatever outcome there is NO unified Korea. Period. And South Koreans still think US is the obstacle to their reunification. Im tellin ya bro, the Koreans have their fucking heads right up their asses.

There ya go. Status quo ante ad infinitum.

Interesting variable in the mix... Putin recently proposing a Euroasian intercontinental rail line running from Pusan to Rotterdam via Russia to cut-out the Arabs and all Suez shipping. Speculative, but if this actually gets off the ground the Norks will actually grow their economy out of the dirt. And what-the-fuck... but who actually WANTS that????

I'm goin back to my booze man.

Peace out.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:23 | 4116569 q99x2
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Shut down the RAND corporation and arrest their participants for treason.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:05 | 4116796 stacking12321
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poor fool, still thinking in nationalistic terms.

there is no country to commit treason against.

it's just a consensual mass hallucination of individuals, brainwashed into thinking "we are a country", when no such entity exists in reality.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:23 | 4116957 overmedicatedun...
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The NWO would like you for this..

"it's just a consensual mass hallucination of individuals, brainwashed into thinking "we are a country", when no such entity exists in reality."

that is the goal of the CFR..why not free trade? even if you are left with no jobs, no income, and poverty..why there is no America, as BUSH JR said: "America is an Idea not a Nation"..who is served by this way of thinking?

well Bush and Cheney and elite reptile bankers have a bravo for you.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:33 | 4118346 stacking12321
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your argument is erroneous:

"someone i don't like (bush / cheney) holds that view, therefore you are wrong."

i could care less about what they claim to think. free youself from this mental slavery, they are nobody.

reclaim your freedom, think for yourself.


Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:26 | 4116574 Herkimer Jerkimer
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Pyuck Pyongyang!

Let the ChiComs worry about'em. They've been a thorn in the ass of the world, backed by the Chinks.

Let those SOBs deal with little SOB. 



Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:33 | 4116585 Constitutional ...
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China's problem. Next...

PS And a problem for the banks who want their money back, preferably with Western troops rescuing their sorry asses, as per usual. NO.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:43 | 4116609 Bobportlandor
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Exactly. Matter of fact to be fair we'll send them Obama, Michell, the kids, Pelosi, Reed and let them have at it.

With 20 mill fuped people they should fit right in.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:39 | 4116602 Stinko da Munk
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Let's drop Kerry on their ass. If that doesn't work, tell them we'll drop Hillary.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:51 | 4116624 putaipan
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unh...take away their nukes and give 'em back sun yun moon? maybe we could throw in the retired u.n. moon too

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:19 | 4117057 Non Passaran
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Why not McCain, he'd probably survive, with a broken hand.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:55 | 4116787 David Wooten
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Abbrograte the treaty with the Republic and remove the US troops now.  When the collapse comes, it should not be blamed on US.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:30 | 4116809 dunce
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I do not think we will have any influence, leverage or say should the north regime collapse. China will have the absolute authority and no one will be able or dare to challenge them. Hence it is not our problem.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:55 | 4116825 skydrake
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Most North Korea is montanious, covered of bunkers and military shelters built by the regime. Now, invade it will cost an huge amount of lifes. Easier let famine and starvation works for more years, then foster a coup t'etat by a their very army.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:43 | 4116856 jonjon831983
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The question is what will the DPRK military do:

Melt into the population and turn it into an asymmetric warfare quagmire for occupying forces?

Seriously lay down their arms and hug their "liberators"?

Attack enmass heading due South? - Special forces strikes, regular army?

Fracture the DPRK into warlordism?



Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:45 | 4116857 Polymarkos
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They're the ONLY country in the world with a Unicorn Lair. I'm pretty sure that possession of said lair makes collapse impossible.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:18 | 4116872 kedi
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20 million trained workers for Foxconn. Bigger profit margins for Apple.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:32 | 4116881 22winmag
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Didn't Washington say some things about nasty ass foreign influence and stinky entangling alliances?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 05:37 | 4116911 squexx
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Amazingly, NK has $$TRILLIONS$$ in mineral wealth:

US and North Korea’s $6 trillion in mineral wealth

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:23 | 4117126 yogibear
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China stands to benefit.  It holds the cards. The others are just the consumers.

China could be holding back North Korea. Selling it's reserves  of minerals and when when the time is right, just take over North Korea and use it's resources.

China expects to be the leader of the world. Both economically and financially, after the US officially bankrupts itself.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:16 | 4118164 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ squexx

Thank you for the interesting link, I just sent it to my S Korean counterparts for their possible interest.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:57 | 4117098 roadhazard
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Get US troops out of S. Korea. We can not afford baby sitting anymore and the S. Koreans have said for years  they can take care of themselves. GTFO

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:27 | 4117131 yogibear
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The US at some point won't be able to protect Japan and South Korea. If China and Russia are patient the US is morally and financially bankrupting itself and they'll be able to pick up the pieces. 

The US is headed toward a Soviet style downturn.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:53 | 4117164 therevolutionwas
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The way the Ruskies and China are feverishly buying up Gold and mining indicates to me they HAVE a long term plan.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:35 | 4117145 screw face
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People get paid to write that shit ..don't they?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:41 | 4117151 1stepcloser
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The collapse of North Korea is not in the interest of the MIC. The North Korean's will be helped, so the MIC can call on their saber rattling, to prevent budget cuts. The boogie men in caves meme is running long in the tooth.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:09 | 4117344 W74
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Yes, and do you know why the "In Caves" propaganda was so skillfully applied?  Actually it wasn't all that hard given the mental capacity of the general American Public.

"Oh they live caves?...How, how uncivilized, we should bomb them back to the, whatever age comes before caves"

W74 used to be a 37F.  He knows how propaganda works and how it's applied.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:15 | 4117353 W74
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Expanded Topic:

And so the Media/Psyop goes that Arabs (and Persians, and Urdus, and Uzbeks and dozens of others, but the media wants to simplify things so that you don't actually start to think about them and simply word associate; in this case Arab!=Bad! in the Israeli controlled US Media) are bad people who dwell in shitty conditions because they're somehow not advanced.

But in all actuallity if you took away the Wars propagated by the west, especially in the past 60 years that Israel has been fucking it all up, especially in Palestine, they'd be doing quite well. 

Cairo, Riyadh, Casablanca, Tunis, etc. are all quite modern cities with their own distinct flavors.  Sure they have their own slums, but has anyone seen fucking Baltimore or Detroit, Chicago, whole swaths of LA larger than Delaware,  Memphis, etc.  Or for that matter parts of London or Paris??? 

Shoot, If you ever drove through Baghdad a lot of the homes there would look little different than homes in Ventura California. You just have to take away the wars (no one is going to spend money on repairs DURING a war and civil strife) and apply some mortar and a paint job and they'd look pretty damn good.

And people in Afghanistan live little differently than people in Nepal or Tibet (who aren't even Muslim so that takes away THAT argument), and no one is complaining about the types of houses they dwell in.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:53 | 4117525 shovelhead
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I'm impressed with your ability to resist the 'brainwashing' and 'see' that everyone doesn't live in caves.

Why, I'll make a wild guess and bet they even have soda-pop too.

That media Psy-op ain't foolin you, nope, not at all.

Them Rothschilds are gona have to step it up a bit.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:42 | 4117210 Money Squid
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what is left to collapse? the people are no longer allowed to eat dirt?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:18 | 4117251 Herdee
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Just send over some famous basketball stars.Come on lets get this ball  rollin...don't forget the Cuban cigars either.

Which reminds me,did they ever confirm with Clinton and Monica if the cigar was Cuban?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:22 | 4117470 icanhasbailout
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I've heard warnings about alleged imminent NK govt collapse for at least 25 years now. Time to face the fact that it is sustainable, even at a low level of subsistence.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:28 | 4117583 moneybots
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"Lessons in Iraq and Afghanistan point to a roadmap for civilian engagement strategies that could be applied though cooperative security action."


Lessons, is it?  Generals Shinseki and Zinni said 300,000 or more troops were needed to occupy Iraq.  Wolfowitz laughed them off.   Lessons mean nothing to those determined to ignore them, to benefit their ulterior motives.

We have a ruined economy due to those who deliberately dismantled the lessons from the 1930's.

It will be interesting how the carpet baggers screw it up for the North Korean people when the time comes.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:29 | 4117674 orangegeek
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Hooray!!!!!!  Communism wins again.


You getting any of this Barry - you fucking asshole????

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:51 | 4118246 stiler
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NKs believe that they are ccreated in the image of their dear leader. The prayers of SKs and others will bring the true gospel to their bros and sisters. Its what makes capitalism free.


Mon, 11/04/2013 - 10:13 | 4119075 earnulf
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Food, Shelter, Clothing.  These are the basics that any civilian, human, population requires.   Satisfy these requirements and you can then go onto other things.   Fail in these, and you will fail in whatever you are attempting.



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