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How The World Really Works - The Documentary

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Renegade Economist's "Four Horsemen" documentary lifts the lid on how the world really works. "Four Horsemen is a breathtakingly composed jeremiad against the folly of Neo-classical economics and the threats it represents to all we should hold dear." Free from mainstream media propaganda -- the film doesn't bash bankers, criticize politicians or get involved in conspiracy theories. It ignites the debate about how to usher a new economic paradigm into the world which would dramatically improve the quality of life for billions. Since it is becoming abundantly clear that we will never return to 'business as usual', 23 international thinkers, government advisers and Wall Street money-men break their silence and explain how to establish a moral and just society.

 


 

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Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:35 | 4116249 Running On Bing...
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How world working now:

Husband Watches Helplessly on Video Chat as Pregnant Wife is Stabbed Repeatedly

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/husband-watches-helplessly-on-video-chat-...

and

Google Glass Floating Data Spy Centers Now Appearing Coast To Coast
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=15558

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:02 | 4116292 Arius
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are they claiming somone else discovered internet and not my man ... Al ... cannot be true ...

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:12 | 4116298 LetThemEatRand
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NSA invented the internet.  Al invented the paperclip on Microsoft Word.

Word user:  "I think I want to...."

Paperclip:  "Hi.  It looks like you're trying to write a manifesto.  Can I help and is your social security number still 330-...."

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:23 | 4118594 Hugh_Jorgan
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The movie is insidious progressive propaganda, I'd be interested in finding out who paid for this?

If you actually watch the movie, you'll soon discover that it is a disengenuous, liberal melange of platitudes and almost-truths along with other information. One of the star witnesses is the former IMF Chief Economist, another is the Head of the World Bank finanacial analysis. Not exactly objective commentary on the spate economic troubles that we've fallen into in the past 10 years.

 

IMHO, save yourself an hour and 20 min of your time and don't bother. Unless of course, you want to hear that charging that person with a bad credit a higher interest rate than someone with good credit for a mortgage is somehow "racist". This after the progressives in the Federal Government forces you to lend to people without the financial means to own a home in the first place (which is never mentioned). Not that I think the Banks are innocent of wrongdoing, by ANY means. But, let's tell the whole story and not politicize a very serious issue when blame falls squarely on many factors and parties.

Tyler, did anyone a ZH actually watch this thing?

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 09:31 | 4118978 flacon
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Hugh, I agree. 

 

The movie is "feel-good progressive collectivism".

 

One name gives it away: NOAM CHOMSKY. 

 

Noam Chomsky Loves the FEDERAL RESERVE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhXgKmar5mk

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 17:33 | 4128405 Tad Ghostal
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Let's do a quick fact check.  Undisputable widespread actions by banks before, during and after the mortgage-fueled housing bubble.

Control Fraud > Accounting Fraud > Securities Fraud

Fraud of the Inducement

Mortgage Fraud

Securities Fraud

Servicing Fraud

 

Borrower actions:

Too poor and ignorant to know they were merely feed stock for a giant cash-extracting machine of fraud.

 

Must be nice in your climate controlled, hermetically sealed bubble of dogma.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 18:31 | 4367369 babolatex
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where you not paying attention? Debt/levarage is the name of the game and they accomplish maximizing their gains through the political process.  In the documentary they tell you there are 5 lobbyists for every member of congress.  The so called "forcing" the banks to lend to people without financial means was just another rigged way to create more money for the banks and keep the party flowing.  Politicians pass the laws the bankers want.  More money is dumped into the system which in turn allows for more derivatives to be created and therefore more money can be made by those who control the game meanwhile the dollar that those at the bottom are trying to survive on continues to loose its value.  You're fascination with "progressivism" and static left right mentality is preciscely how the puppet masters intended the puppets to think.  You are the one who wasted your time and you are clearly a puppet!!!.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:49 | 4116782 thisandthat
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Well, at least those won't be illegal to spy on (since they'll be on international waters)...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:39 | 4116815 Buck Johnson
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I know, Google is lying their ass off saying that these are supposed to be party barges.  They are doing work for the NSA.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:35 | 4116254 Pooper Popper
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How do you solve a problem like Maria?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:04 | 4118405 Unknown User
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One, stop listening to the gold-bugs that sell their fractional reserve gold scam which is just a little better than the fiat fractional reserve scam.  Two, realize that you are asked to choose between two failed solutions (yes gold failed many times before including Rome).  Three, try to understand what the founding fathers intended in U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 8 - Powers of Congress: “The Congress shall have Power ... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin”.  Watch Money as Debt. http://youtu.be/jqvKjsIxT_8

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:44 | 4116266 q99x2
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Thought it was a minute and 38 seconds but no that sucker's an hour and 38 minutes. And you said it is no fun because it doesn't talk about bankster bashing.

And, I bet it doesn't agree with my solution of taking the ten wealthiest people to the tops of ten pyramids, in a worldwide annual celebration, and then ripping out their hearts (and or whatever mechanical devices they may have in place of hearts) while they are still alive. Then redistribute their stolen wealth into publicly owned and operated open source monetary systems.

Awh ok I'll watch it over the next week or so.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:46 | 4116379 funwithstocks
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As long as you think rich people are evil you will always be poor. 

Poor people want to think it's luck but being successful is hard work.

Poor people want to think the rich are evil so that they can excuse their own laziness. 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:13 | 4116435 prains
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....and you have a giant 15 lb electrified Labia masquerading as a brain

 

WTF, retard farm did you GMO from?????

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:18 | 4116446 Carl Popper
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Hahaha. I am fairly libertarian but most rich people didnt work hard for it. They were born into it.

Firtunately for the world most wealth is gone in a few generations.

"From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations"

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 06:38 | 4116934 PT
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funwithstocks:  Hard workers are a dime per dozen and there are still plenty more where they came from.  I've seen factories full of them.  You need more than just hard work to be successful.  Hard work won't even guarantee you'll be fed at the end of the day.  Hell, if you're dumb enough to work hard for nothing then you might be "rewarded" with the opportunity to do more hard work for nothing, but I can't even guarantee that much.

Carl Popper:  Agreed.  Years ago I read a BRW article.  It said, some poor guy will go from rags to riches.  Two thirds of the time his kids will blow the family fortune and 99 percent of the time, if the kids don't blow it then the grand kids will.

These days I do wonder about that other one percent. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:36 | 4118204 Diogenes
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Ha ha ha ironically the US government guaranteed the perpetuation of wealth from generation to generation when they enacted confiscatory income taxes and death duties.

The result was the formation of trusts, foundations etc to guard the wealth of the rich.

It also guaranteed that their waterhead kids and grandkids couldn't piss it away. The wealth was safely invested and guarded by professional managers.

Before 1900 it was common for a rich man to leave his wealth to his family and for most of the money to be gone inside 30 years.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:33 | 4117009 Dugald
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Chap I know is making a small fortune....out of the large one his father left him....

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:21 | 4117254 Pizza man
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me thinks you just contridicted yourself, Carl P. Which is it? 

Hahaha? Most rich people didn't work hard for it? If they lose it in a few generations, where the Hell does the next rich guy get it to pass on to HIS kids and grandkids, MORON?

You know, this site can be populated with economic cretins of a similar strain of virus as the one we elected president twice. I am reminded why I have to step away from the idocy every once in a while.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:18 | 4116438 Ranger4564
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No. God I want to curse, but I'll hold back.

Rich people ARE EVIL, because they want to be rich and that's it. They are not smart, nice, benevolent, considerate, or any appealing quality.

Poor people are poor because Rich people are conniving, deviant, self-absorbed low lives, who confiscate the wealth of others, by various means. Usually deception and legal manipulation.

The world has mostly advanced because of brilliance, very little of which came from Rich people, but Rich people have confiscated all of that brilliance to their own benefit and enabled the deaths of a lot of people, creating massive poverty so they could celebrate their wealth.

Look, the world is not what you think it is... since we're cultural beings, being manipulated, the history you know is a distortion intended to keep you dumbed down and relatively poor, while a small group of scumbags extract wealth from everyone else. The culture was created for the poor, so the rich could take with little protest.

What the world needs is Good people, but the rich keep killing off the good people. Good people are smart and benevolent.  Good people struggle with how to benefit everyone, how to make everyone prosperous. Good people invent, innovate, create, give, share, concern themselves with ideas and not material wealth, etc. Inventors are often good people. The original inventors, not those often credited in the corrupt world of confiscated wealth. Pursuit of enlightenment so the world is a wiser world, those are good people. Good people give a fuck about the other people on the planet, and can empathize / sympathize. Good people actually have a heart.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:22 | 4116462 Carl Popper
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Lol. This is snark right?

If not, then You got a worthless degree, are too risk averse to start a business, and you are angry that you dont make as much money as your inflated ego thinks it deserves?

Lol. It must be someone else's fault.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:42 | 4116489 Ranger4564
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No, I was / am being serious.

I wasn't educated by the system as much as you, and for that, I am eternally grateful.

My ego doesn't require the kind of monetary support yours appears to, and with that I feel rich beyond your understanding.

Don't be so quick to presume I'm the imbecile.

Courage for what? To watch other people starve because you think you're smarter? Well, genius, if you're so fucking smart, why not end poverty and suffering?

You probably worship Jesus also, but I can assure you, he would not worship you. That should be a revealing statement.

I'm an architect by the way, and the pay is fine.

You would benefit by reading the writings of someone who came to the same ideas before me... Buckminster Fuller - Critical Path. There's a section where he explains how we could end poverty, if we only wanted to.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:53 | 4116627 stacking12321
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ranger, your words are full of anger, not at all rational or sensible, and not at all well thought out.

also, why do you assume poverty is something that should be ended?

poverty is a perfectly valid lifestyle, and you have no right to judge others.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:12 | 4116655 Ranger4564
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This place has a tendency towards perversion, and you are facilitating the perversion of reality. 

You don't get it. I am not blaming the rich for being successful. I'm blaming them for being unimaginative and short sighted. I'm blaming them for relishing the inequality simply because they would not feel rich if others had what they had... so they create a culture of scarcity so there will be inequality. That is depravity.

The real benefactors of the world were the great intellectuals, the artists, the humanists, the theorists. They did it for inquiry, they did it for the benefit of all.

Poverty is  not a lifestyle. It is unfortunately inescapable for many once they're there. The world used to allow people to choose to opt out, go live off the land, but the rich are such enormous scumbags, they're "privatized" all of the land, and you have no right to live off the land, you have to work for someone, and they will pay you as little as they can get away with.

You and the genius above you need to go chat and enjoy your glorious world view.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:48 | 4116717 Skateboarder
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If you haven't convinced 'em after the "good people" speech, there is no hope.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:33 | 4116766 Ranger4564
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Well spoken. You are indeed a master Skateboarder... You ride that razors edge of ambiguity very well. ;-)

I trust you meant it sincerely, it's just that what you wrote could be interpreted in a variety of ways, some agreeable, some supportive, some uncomplimentary, etc etc. :-)

No worries... I'm here to broaden the discussion beyond what even that video chose to consider... what happens to the world if we fulfill one of the longest standing opportunities, riches for all, not just a few.  So many have been convinced by the idea that there is not enough to go around, that there have to be poor, that you have to be ruthless. It's illogical bullshit, but people accept it.

On the one hand, the world economy is described as not being Zero Sum, specifically indicating that you can create wealth, in addition to what you started with, but at the same time, the same people will argue that the world's resources are zero sum... I say that's a blasphemous lie, the deception actually inverts the situation, the economy is actually a zero sum for the most part, and the resource base is not nearly as limited as the proponents argue. The planet can support many billions more, and the technological innovations will make it possible to support everyone of them comfortably. But when everyone is comfortable, it's hard to tell who's rich and who's poor.

What the proponents of the Rich Poor paradigm want to impose is this nonsensical prehistoric notion that we have achieved no surplus productive capacity, and therefore some have to be poor... let them be the lazy and stupid. What these same idiots don't realize is that they have been labeled lazy and stupid by the global bankers / financial thugs, and will now experience the joys of poverty. It's a lifestyle the above respondents will apparently enjoy.

My argument is that wealth is a comparative relationship, a ratio, between what you have and another has... you can't create wealth because it's a fixed condition amongst all of the people alive at a given moment, so all you can do is transfer wealth, but what you can do instead is increase prosperity.  I'm convinced that we could improve the prosperity for all, while eliminating the rich and the poor condition. Technology and ingenuity is the answer.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:09 | 4116834 Bdelande
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I really like your style Rocket Ranger!  The likeness of God is to create not consume...........

 

And for those relgious bashers.................I'm not talking organized relgion here..............just in the sense of a higher authority.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:36 | 4116852 Simplifiedfrisbee
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Your writings are genuine Ranger. They also convey a position cemented in virtue which enables the virtuosity of mankind. Great to read.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:49 | 4118121 Edmon Plume
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Part of the problem with mankind is the deference to a "higher" authority instead of the Highest Authority, the "big-G" God to whom you first referred.  Wealth is one of those higher authorities, as is "self", since "higher" is open to morally-relativistic interpretation.  Highest isn't, but it is unique, which twists lots of panties for some reason.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:00 | 4116865 Skateboarder
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Thanks for your continuation of posts Ranger, I find value in your words.

You are right on all counts my friend, the good people and all those who gave their all for the benefit of everyone else present and yet to come, the zero-sum lie, the rich/poor paradigm and those who unknowingly cherish it... everything. The rich/poor paradigm goes deeper than anything anyone ever knew, period. It comes from the place bang opposite of goodness (ever since man could differntiate between good and bad, there was a place of goodness and place of badness), and it comes with a headline saying "I want to enjoy all this fine shit right here, but I will not do the human work necessary to transform raw materials into finished goods." Around that time, the local shaman was bought off, and no shaman has kept the people in check since.

Your instinct is true that there is indeed enough on this planet for all to enjoy. It was imperative for the rich to privatize all the land in order to limit the expression of human existence, leaving only slavery for the poor and the nonparticipants. There will be a point when the oil-based rich/poor society cannot continue, but there will not be the equality that you seek because there is greed. It is entirely possible for all 7+ billion of us to have excellent standards of living, but the rich/poor thing will go on till the last human, and [s]he will die neither rich nor poor.

I have come to find ZHer Radical Marijuana's posts objective and accurate about the [un]natural selection of the most criminally insane weilding control over planetary resources:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-02/us-drones-taliban-leader-his-tr...

As for the ambiguity, that's how the wizard rolls. ;)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:27 | 4116876 StychoKiller
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It's quite telling that people that are venerated throughout History tried/did something to benefit all of Humanity.  As far as I know, there aren't any Banksters on that list.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:21 | 4117060 Ranger4564
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Thank you for the positive feedback and thoughts, not for my disposition, but for the goodness of humanity. It's heartwarming to know other people also differentiate the real from the surreal.

Indeed, the pantheon of the greats... but even there we need to differentiate, because some not so greats were venerated by the other side. Think Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the British empire, Capitalism, the Caste System, Inequality, etc etc. Throughout history, we've had the opportunity to work towards the benefit of all, but invariably, people clobbered the group thinkers and venerated the self absorbed. Ironically, sharing amongst ourselves should not be offensive, but it should be offensive for everyone to have to give a tax to the ruthless bastard who threatens our lives. Instead, the lesson people learned is that sharing amongst ourselves is evil, taking the tax from whomever you could is the more noble. Is that a snark? What a fucking joke.

We have both good and bad on the list of the so greats, but we must differentiate there as well. The celebrations should be limited for those who did no harm to others while pursuing their quest for understanding, invention, prosperity. We can choose whom to emulate, and we should choose wisely. Unfortunately, people often choose based on perceived success... they want to be Hitler, not Jesus.

And lastly, Skateboarder, with all due respect, I get what you're saying, but please don't lose hope my friend.  My argument is that there is a Rich Poor paradigm because as you say, the deviants took control long ago, at the onset of civilization, but that every technological innovation is actually capable of ending that paradigm, if only the deviants, and the oppressed, would recognize there is no need for their inequality model. With the surplus capable today, we could have a more harmonious community, but the deviants won't allow it, as you say.

Well, I'm here to tell the deviants to Fuck Off, I'm here to end their dominance. And if everyone chose to do that, we'd end Satans rule over humanity. We'd end Cain's rule over Abel. On that vein, I will ask everyone to read an article I often recommend, Albert Einstein's Why Socialism. In that article, Einstein talks about civilization in depth, arguing exactly what I've been arguing, but in relation to this particular consideration, he argues that the only way civilization will create beneficial institutions / conditions is if the people of the world conjure the courage to depose the ruthless. That act will embolden the meek, and create the harmony possible. But it requires courage and belief. Go check it out if you haven't read it before.

Ultimately, Greed is not innate to the extent people argue, it is enshrined in the culture, so that when the actual scumbags (rich) take their tithe, no one can complain because everyone is enjoined in the sin. That's why the Bankers are free today. But it's a lie. There are many more who are not greedy, but there are many who since childhood have been taught to be greedy, and being pliant, they learned well. We can stop teaching greed and pliancy, and with that, we can end greed's grip on humanity. It's a choice, every parent makes the same mistake... take care of yourself, leave none for others.

I'm here to remind everyone, society / social conditions are regularly improving for everyone, but we keep descending into the abyss when the rich impose setbacks on civilization, to throttle our accelleration towards ultimate freedom. But wake the fuck up and at least fight on the right side if you're going to bother. The meek shall inherit the Earth.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:26 | 4117970 lewy14
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Funny, you don't sound so meek.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:53 | 4118116 Ranger4564
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I remind people frequently... to stand up in opposition to the system requires a certain amount of courage. If 1 person stands opposed to that system, they must carry all of the required courage... a lot. If 1,000,000 people stand opposed to that system, they must each carry 1,000,000th the courage the 1 had to carry. So, the more who choose to engage, the less courage it ultimately takes. If 7 billion people express their dissent, then there is no force strong enough to oppose them.

The beneficiaries of this courage will be the future generations who won't have to live in oppressive conditions. I owe it to the kids of tomorrow to do what I can today.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 09:26 | 4118966 Dreamwalker420
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Greed is often mis-defined as the accumulation of wealth above any others.

Greed is actually the imposition of one's will upon another.  It is the selfish expression of a desire to control power.

While the plutonic rants of ranger4654 represent an ideal utopia ... how could it be achieved in an environment of greed?

Can you eliminate greed from the human condition?  Since you cannot.  The framers of the Constitution started with a strucuture that empowered people to exercise their agency and the tools to remedy injustice, rather than unrealistic assumptions to assuage our own inadequacies.

Ranger4654, you sound like every other dictator that has ever taken power ... you know what is best for me, mine and mankind.  Will you resort to force when unable to accomplish your grand design?

Afterall, you apparently know what is best and better for me ... even more than I know for myself?

...

On the issue of socialsim, one cannot ignore the factors of production.  I am motivated by my greed to produce (greed represents my need to eat and desirability for shelter).  If you produce everything for me ... what twisted reality do you think I would lift a finger to do anything???  That is just stupidity.  You can't want to believe things are true, you can only hope for things you know are true.  But I suspect you have no interest in faith.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 22:28 | 4121180 Ranger4564
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I define Greed as unmitigated self-interest without regard for the consequence to others. However, the dictionary / historic definition of greed is apparently a little different: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=define+greed

I would argue that the ideal utopia is the unfettered free market. I would argue that the ideal utopis is society without limitations, no regulations, no restrictions. We used to live that way, and people hated it so much, they voted to create laws, regulations, government. What libertarians / anarchists / most people forget is that there are 2 governments - one elected by the citizenry to accomplish certain things, and another imposed by the oligarchy (evil ruler). We want the former, we do not want the latter.

Instead of insulting me, come up with something unique to offer. I might indeed know what is better for you than you know for yourself. That doesn't make me a dictator, it makes me more intelligent.

But I'm not interested in this negativity crap. What I offered is not even unique to the extent that I've encountered other wise people thinking the same things, before me and with me. I am just satisfied that my mind works, well. I hope to provide a positive influence on the trajectory of civilization.

Self Esteem. Apart from Greed, the more powerful motivator is Self Esteem. Not Ego, not Egoism, not Egotism, but a positive manifestation of pride in oneself. The vast majority of the material that has advanced society was not driven by greed, it was driven by a curiosity, inquiry, passion, self confidence, interest. You have a tragically warped sense of being, and if the only motivator in your life is greed, we have nothing in common with with to even engage in a dialog.

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 22:44 | 4121234 Ranger4564
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By the way, I meant to include that I am not trying to impose anything on anyone. The reason I raise these topics is to broaden the discussion so people can consider more ideas, see things from different points of view. I am confident in my POV, but if I was interested in imposing my views onto the populace, I would not be doing it here.

And, what I meant by I might know what's better for you, it's just a logical possibility. I am not interested in making a factual determination on whether I am smarter than someone else... it's irrelevant. I am interested in improving the lives of those who are most abused by the system.

Lastly, it's easy to dismiss me as if I'm the loser / loner / lunatic. I'm not the only one who thinks what I think. I cited 2 people most people would respect, and if they were smart, would look up and research.

Anyway, I don't really get any pleasure out of derision aimed at me or at others... in fact, I think it's an useless means of exchange. I don't take it, and I don't dish it, as much as it can be avoided.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:09 | 4117176 scrappy
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I like your spirit and philosophy - Ranger4564

 

Thank you.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:16 | 4117459 NoTTD
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Sounds like you stopped that education around grade 5 and since then got all your info from MSNBC.

 

You must have really enjoyed Chomsky's part.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:38 | 4116492 Wen_Dat
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You missed the point. He's talking about who you are not what you are.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 06:18 | 4116929 Notarocketscientist
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The rich are evil because they think they are BETTER than you.

And you believe that so you are STUPID.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:22 | 4117125 NIHILIST CIPHER
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@ Notarocketscientist.........You ARE NOT a rocket scientist. This thread is a good example of divide and conquer...left/right...rich/poor etc. TPTB love to see you post this stuff, keeps the attention off them. They (TPTB) did not want any part of Buckminster Fuller's inventions which would have been a huge help for the sheep BECAUSE it would have ruined their model and their model is the ONLY ONE YOU WILL EVER GET. Ranger needs to direct his ire at the .01% not just all rich folks.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:43 | 4116969 TheDoc
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Ranger: It's comments like yours that give this site a bad name.

You have met the 'bad-person', and he is you.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:22 | 4117258 Pizza man
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Ranger. If say moronic things, U MIGHT BE A MORON.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:37 | 4117391 11b40
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And if you can't construct a complete sentence, you too might be a moron.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:00 | 4116793 thisandthat
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 05:56 | 4116921 swampyankee
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Clearly you did not watch the film.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:02 | 4116946 PT
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The rich guy can work as hard as he likes, as smart as he likes, and be as lucky as he wishes.  But we all know that the Monopoly game ends when all the other players run out of money.

That's not a bad comparison when you see mortgage prices on the cheapest house in the cheapest suburb approximating the minimum wage and rentals not far behind.   

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:01 | 4117101 Herd Redirectio...
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Harharhar.  Crime pays.  There is no more justice.  And now you want us to believe the most profitable activities are legal ones?  LOL

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:35 | 4117277 PT
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Of course it's legal.  After the PTB change the laws, it's legal.  Errr, okay, if no-one charges them then they don't need to change the laws, umm, okay, maybe I'm only a bit right.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:52 | 4117161 Sparkey
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Life is a Lottery, the best way to be rich is to be born rich, when you are born rich you learn how to live like a rich person should, you know you have the provlidges you have becauce you were born with them, God gave them to you!

Please remember, `Only God can male a Lottery Winner` so if you would be rich, Pray and send money to your favorite Televangelist, this is the only behavior with a chance of success!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:00 | 4117229 aerojet
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Most of the world's wealthiest people on the Forbes list inherited it.  Others used government to shut out and destroy the competition.  That's how it is done.  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:03 | 4117230 Tom G
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I didn't up or down arrow you. I don't hate what you say, because within it is some wisdom. Von Mises wrote a book which somewhat marries up to your line here, called "The Anti-Capitalist Mentality".

But there is obviously more to the story. Some people have grown rich, not through work ethic and providing people with a good or service they desire, but through political means. And the percentage that achieve their fortune through these means is growing.

Likewise, there are poor people who have lost their fortune through political means as well. Wealth was stolen from them, or is still being stolen from them. Many in the middle class have had their decades worth of savings slowly leached through taxation and monetary debasement.

But I can't down arrow you, because the sentiment of refraining from blaming others from one's misfortune would do a lot of people a lot of good.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 20:45 | 4116267 observer007
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Serrious?

 

Giant Fukushima Mutant Turtle Finally Captured By Japanese Military

http://homment.com/fukushima-turtle

 


Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4116414 HulkHogan
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Fakest picture of all time. Congrats.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:06 | 4116651 e_goldstein
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Although it might be a really cool sculpture.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:01 | 4116276 Cabreado
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"Free from mainstream media propaganda -- the film doesn't bash bankers, criticize politicians or get involved in conspiracy theories."

I wasn't aware that MSM propaganda had anything to do with those things.

"It ignites the debate about how to usher a new economic paradigm into the world which would dramatically improve the quality of life for billions."

Ah, there is the propaganda -- it is rarely creative in its introduction.

"23 international thinkers, government advisers and Wall Street money-men break their silence and explain how to establish a moral and just society."

I wanted to watch the video, but I chose to vomit just then, instead. 
Perhaps it is satire(?), and I'll watch the comments to see...
But, The World is unfortunately running out of room for satire, too.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:24 | 4116341 Ignatius
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"The World is unfortunately running out of room for satire, too."

Peak satire?  Say it ain't so, Joe.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:04 | 4116648 stacking12321
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renegade economist posts good videos, and tends to present good info about the dysfunction of our economic system.

why do you try to bash them before you even hear what they have to say?

personally, i don't believe that any system involving government can be reformed, as it is corrupt at its core (the state's use of force and monopoly on violence).

however, documentaries such as this one, which seek to inform, should be applauded.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:09 | 4116802 thisandthat
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I think the problem is nothing has been happenning by accident, so the problem is not finding a solution; it's implementing it...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:16 | 4116954 NidStyles
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Because some great minds have the perfect solution, and it likely involves giving them power...

Not wasting my time to find out. I could care less what some social justice idiots think.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:44 | 4117403 LoneCapitalist
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I was going to read your comment, but I decided not to, and just call you an idiot instead.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:07 | 4116799 thisandthat
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We're from the government/wall street/shadowy think-tanks, and we're here to help you...

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:06 | 4116300 NoDebt
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Over-produced, under-thought and generally wordy without need to be.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:21 | 4116338 suteibu
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"...23 international thinkers, government advisers and Wall Street money-men break their silence and explain how to establish a moral and just society."

Just what we need, part of the problem begging us to let them fix the problem.  I would imagine their solution would have somewhere on the top of the globalist pile.  To be sure, one of them is named Raymond Cocteau. 

Fuck 'em all.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:31 | 4116357 U4 eee aaa
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23 people that didn't get to drive the car once they were told what was going on at the secret meeting?

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:26 | 4116468 Carl Popper
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But are they certified thinkers? Lol

And who chose them, why, and who told them to start thinking?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:22 | 4116674 stacking12321
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the producers of the documentary chose them.

you make your own documentary, and you get to choose.

max keiser, david morgan, noam chomsky, and others - yes, they are certified thinkers.

 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:25 | 4116339 Constitutional ...
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How the world really  works as sucinctly described by Jack Kennedy in this audio clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW4lDJzW7xA

He does refer to 'secret societies' which undermine open government, and the USA tradition in particular.  He does refer to a conspiracy to undermine freedom worldwide, and ALL markets. He does challenge the hidden hand of the known assassins who crush dissent, public discourse, and 'bury' their mistakes.

Listen and learn, and remember this:

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root, and it may be that he who bestows the largest amount of time and money on the needy is doing the most by his mode of life to produce that misery which he strives in vain to relieve. (Henry David Thoreau)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 05:02 | 4116893 supermaxedout
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JFK was a great man. This becomes now clearer and clearer to me. He paid his fight against the evil conspirators with his life.  He spoke the truth openly, loud and clear. He wanted to make peace with the Soviet Union.  Thats why he was killed.   Americas best man was shot to death like a crazy dog in the very open, His body was mangled by bullets and when he died his ideas and plans died with him and for America for a long time. And the message for all "insiders" was written clearly on the wall:  This is what happens to the ones which are against us.

Fifty years have passed since then.  Maybe now is the time for a change. Unfortunately these past fifty years killed a lot of the "good America". But its not to late.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:51 | 4117417 11b40
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....and his brother, again assasinated on live TV for the world to see.  Martin Luther King, too shot down 2 months before Bobby in 1968.

The turbulence that was the 60's had to be experienced to be understood, and then the understanding is only in retrospect.  The understanding still has not been fully fleshed out, but it's like the whole world changed in that decade; certainly, America did.

The next great turning in this country started in 2000, and it's still playing out.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:24 | 4116340 29.5 hours
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This is worth watching. No, it may not really show how the world works (not possible in a short video) but it is a real statement of the human condition in the New World Order. The range of views of the persons speaking, and their positions in bourgeois society, make this an authoritative statement against the current order. Worth the time.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:26 | 4116346 Constitutional ...
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I'ts good if influential people begin to question their bias, and become more aware of their plight. Will they appease their oppressors or defy? That is their dilemma, imo.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:56 | 4116402 suteibu
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Funny, I did not hear these former World Bank and IMF officials complain about the system when they were working in it.  Which only goes to prove that people will seek their own self interests first and only after securing their share of the economic pie, talk about the immorality of the system. 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:46 | 4116503 29.5 hours
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I can't disagree with your statement because it is substantially true of many prominent critics of the New World Order. But if these people speak in ways we can use to prepare effective resistance and change, then good.

Ultimately we need an effective movement. We don't have that yet...

 

 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:52 | 4116513 suteibu
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It would help their message if they would issue a few mea culpas about how they carried out the programs that they now criticize.  At least the bank robber who turns security consultant served his time before using his skills in a beneficial pursuit.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:55 | 4116522 buckethead
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I certainly give you that. 

Still, I found the message to be pretty well stated, and well thought too. They went all Austrian School and spoke fairtax, along with the abolition of the IRS for Chrissake. 

Real (former) bankers telling what so many (sadly) still fail to realize: Banks create money from nothing, and the printing (creating) of currency takes wealth from the poor and middle classes (at least from those who add real value into the economy) and transfers it to the wealthiest, who had first go at the currency and bought real assets before the currency's value is diluted.

That is very important shit. I am ashamed to admit that it was 2009 before I realized this. (At my age that is disgraceful)

They also sprinkled some Max Keiser, whom I always seem to enjoy. I'll be darned if they didn't slip in a ZH reference by quoting Tyler Durden. 

Max is a Tyler. I'm convinced of that.

The only missing element in my opinion was a Keynes Blast. He should have been lambasted at least as hard as Freidman.

That notwithstanding, yes... I'll give this film a thumbs up.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:50 | 4116820 Trimmed Hedge
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"I'll be darned if they didn't slip in a ZH reference by quoting Tyler Durden."

 

If you watch it, you shall not be darned...

"The things you own end up owning you"

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:59 | 4116404 dark pools of soros
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it's garbage...  

 

when Gaddafi set up a program to give anyone land to farm, after he brought water to everywhere in his land, the rest of the world ignored him and later not defend him.

Why doesn't India grow more food?   Why doesn't any of these starving countries grow more food?  Governments should stop cramming people into free slums in the cities and just give them a few acres each to do something about their poverty and hunger themselves

 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:24 | 4116343 hooligan2009
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i gave up half way through...its nothing that this website hasn't articulated more clearly and with greater depth over the last 5 years. i put it in the camp of a false flag that confirms the past and offers no direction, pretty much the same as the political and religious leadership we have everywhere today and the banking system that when is all said and done...no-one has provided an alternative for...believe me it is not moving from fiat to bitcoin or gold or silver..its a reconciliation of resources (food heat and water) for a population that is growing exponentially...money is just a manifestation of that; politics in the "west" represents a futile attempt to stem the conversion of democracy to mobocracy. solutions do exist.

For the west the solution is to reverse the current trends. It is about a policy to migrate unemployed western populations to third world and emerging countries so that they become subsistence farmers whilst taking the best of the thrid world to the west....and for the third world and emerging countries .its is a continuation of the current status quo, (but rather than engaging in subsistence farmingin the third world it is all about taking welfare benefits on offer in the "first world").

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:32 | 4116356 Constitutional ...
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hooligan, you are referring to feudalism as a laudable system. I disagree, and hope you live outside the USA which was founded and prospered under much better ideals and systems that worked,  prior to the capitulation which you suggest. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 06:07 | 4116924 swampyankee
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I had to laugh! You say it offers no solutions, but you quit watching half way through.  Just skip to the last 30 minutes.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:31 | 4116351 A Lunatic
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Ron Paul says all this a lot fucking faster............

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:22 | 4117063 buckethead
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I greened you up , yesterday. While I wholeheartedly agree, there are far too many who cannot hear the wise words of Dr Paul. Those ears have been obstructed with propaganda by smear media/traitorous klepto's/power seekers. 

In this video, there is a mix of cast which is identifiably ideologically diverse. (There's something for everyone.)

When a leftist sees Noam Chomski, that person is more likely to listen. Just as a righty is more willing to recieve the Colon Powell d00d. (whatever that guy's name is) (No one villified Ron Paul more than the Republicans)

Yes... this is very much in line with the message of Ron Paul, although it doesn't have the US-centric constitutionality bent.

What it doesn't have is the name Ron Paul associated with it. You and I may find that wrong, but any ideas which Dr Paul espouses, he champions as ideas, not personal property, nor credit/fame seeking.

I'm not Ron Paul, and I approve this message.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:30 | 4117073 buckethead
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For the record, I did watch this video in it's entirety. I did so last evening in lieu of watching FSU-Miami. There were some moments where I considered turning it off. Moments where I thought they were headed into a one world government spin, and other moments when it seemed like gold bugs talking book.

I think the whole message taken as such was excellent.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:43 | 4116373 suteibu
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Quote from one of the intellectuals ruing the lack of success in combating poverty, "What kind of system have we created?"

And that is the problem, he, and others like him, created a system thinking that they can herd 7 billion cats and never contemplating the notion that any system would lead to the same results.  No doubt his solution involves creating yet another system.

(...sigh...)

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:33 | 4116481 Carl Popper
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People act Deliberately.

Hayek

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:50 | 4116393 WTFUD
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Let me get this straight! The cabal are somewhere close to where they were before the crash ( thanks ben ) and it's amnesty for the agent provocateurs whilst the sheep have been slaughtered.

Let me digest this for 2 minutes! FUCK OFF.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 21:59 | 4116403 q99x2
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It is ok. Got a little sleepy after the first ten minutes. But I heard Max's voice and that made me hopeful.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:20 | 4116454 Ghostdog
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Anything based on improving the life of billions has no chance. Next on the llist more money to Obama Cronys to which the average dolt will cheer

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:27 | 4116469 BitingTruth
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More Bullshit diatribe presented as "a new perspective".  I am so sick of this "weird trick", new trend of blaming the "baby boomers".  WTF?  Like we all are on the same page, speaking to each other under the covers at night with walkie-talkies?  I have fought the establishment all of my life...as a "baby boomer"....only to finally realize that all governments and their lackey politicians serve but a handful of unbelievably wealthy thieves with an agenda a dystopian, totalitarian, wasteland playground.  What would motivate a human to do that?  That is the missing link that "conspiracy" theorists say has to be an "otherworldly" motivation.  Why destroy the only boat that we are all on?  Going down the line of blame (the lazy, poor, black, Mexican, Purerto Rican, Rednecks, Hayseeds, Libtards, Bleeding Hearts, Fags, Carpet Munchers, GenX, Millennials....and of course....ANYBODY BUT THE FUCKING RICH IN CONTROL....oh yeah!...The Fucking "Baby Boomers" ....t-t-t-alkin' bout my generation.....sound familiar?  Illuminati Mind tricks over and over and over...the collective memory is getting shorter and shorter... hey look!!! what's that shiny object????

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:43 | 4116719 Radical Marijuana
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I agree, Biting Truth.

Although I have no doubt that there are an infinity of "other dimensions" and that human beings, like all other beings, are surrounded by an infinity of different levels of "realities," which range from notions like evolutionary chreodes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creode as adopted by Rupert Sheldrake, to the notions about Archons, popularized by John Lash, as well a host of other ranges of speculations and assertions about "alien" and/or "demonic" influences, from David Icke, to Bill Cooper, personally I prefer the Occam's razor answer to you question "What would motivate a human to do that?"

History has selected for the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, to be able to control civilization. They did not have to have any other qualifications, than be able to be the best at dishonesty and violence. Historical forces selected for them to be the most psychopathic and sociopathic people. They have psychological and social habits which other people would regard as being criminally insane. But nevertheless, the real ways that human ecology and political economy work as energy systems selected for those top carnivores, of the men that prey on men, to become who they are, and to do what they do.

Historical forces have selected for the international bankers to collectively become a group of trillionaire mass murderers. (I do tend to presume that they are surrounded by invisible force fields, which are structured, and related to other dimensions, or other realities, the same as everything else is, however, I do not think that those were necessarily the driving forces behind those developments.)  What I always tend to insist upon is that the combined money/murder systems necessarily made the debt controls backed up by the death controls. I tend to insist that money is measurement backed by murder, and that all human realities are always organized systems of lies, operating organized systems of robberies.

Within that context, I find nothing close to good enough "solutions" in this kind of video, which features a typical All-Star list of talking heads, who are reactionary revolutionaries. What I always say is that there is no way to resolve the chronic political problems without the core of that being different death controls. I find these kinds of videos well worth watching, compared to the mass media. However, they do not come remotely close to changing paradigms deeply enough from my point of view.

One of the prime paradoxical points about human ecology and political economy is that people tend to only be aware and care about their roles INSIDE those. People are primarily born into those roles, although there is some limited mobility to move into different roles. However, the systems as a whole tends to persist, and most "debates" are between people entrenched WITHIN their different roles. The issues of profound paradigm shifts, regarding seeing those systems as a whole, are almost totally outside of what interests the vast majority of people operating those systems. Therefore, to see the death controls, as operated by the system as whole, tends to be deliberately ignored by most, including the rulers, as well as the ruled. The bogus "debates" tend to NEVER be about how the death and debt controls should overall work better, inside of the whole system of human ecology and political economy, but rather the typical bogus "debates" are between people who deny that those real systems exist, versus people who deny that they should exist at all.

I found this video to become interesting at 18 minutes. However, the relevant questions about why, (which get asked at about the 19:45 mark) NEVER get properly answered thereafter! FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, THIS DOCUMENTARY MENTIONS THAT PRIVATE BANKS MAKE 97% OF THE WORLD'S MONEY OUT OF NOTHING, AS DEBTS, BUT THEN IT MOVES ON ... Basically, all money was based on triumphant frauds, which meant that almost all debts are odious, and that almost all ownership of private property became odious too.

That fiat money is only valuable because governments enforce it through taxation, (which implies killing those who seriously resist that) IS mentioned by this video, but then, that is glossed over, withoutd deeper study! The video jumps on to the effects of fiat money ... While that all may well be correct, the facts are that the debt controls depend on death controls, and therefore, no genuine solutions exist which ignore that! However, as I already outlined above, our current civilization is based upon deliberately ignoring that as much as is possible, by not only denying that it does exist, but also denying that it should exist.

While this documentary is completely correct
when identifying the funding of politics as the
primary source of all the other problems, NO
facing of the degree to which it is Catch 22,
double-bind, practically impossible fix that.

When this documentary turns to issues of "terrorism"
at about 50:55 point, it misses the mark by light years.

Unless one STARTS with the insight that "terrorism"
has mostly been false flag operations, then one is
approaching problems backwards by believing lies!

To show how many light years away this video looks,

I point out my comments made in this recent article:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-02/us-drones-taliban-leader-his-tr...

Although this video is full of great quotes,
overall it is too silly, too superficial, and
ridiculously unrealistic, and optimistic,
since it fails to penetrate the issues!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:38 | 4116808 essence
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"What would motivate a human to do that?  That is the missing link that "conspiracy" theorists say has to be an "otherworldly" motivation."

I don't think you'll like the answer, but here it is, stated far better than I ever could:

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When Silenus had finally fallen into his clutches, the king asked him what was best and most desirous thing of all for mankind. The daemon stood silent, stiff and motionless, until at last, forced by the king, he gave shrill laugh and spoke these words:

‘Miserable, ephemeral race, children of hazard and hardship, why do you force me to say what would be more fruitful for you not to hear? The best of all things is something entirely out of your grasp: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. But the second best for you—to die soon.”

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:42 | 4116884 Radical Marijuana
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Well, essence, I would translate to mean that the Great Nonthing is the thingless-Thing. Human beings are only relatively subtracted from the Supreme Being. Other than that illusion of relative subtraction, human beings ARE the Supreme Being. As such, they were not born, but are the Great Nonthing. To become enlightened, to appreciate that more, asymptotically, is the best thing for human beings to do, i.e., to "die soon," not as physical beings, but rather to die as beings which perceive themselves as separate from the Supreme Being ... Of course, by definition, daemons are excellent liars, and the best way to lie is to tell part of the truth. Thus, the skillfully deceitful lie by omission, that to become more enlightened is to asymptotically appreciate that one was not born, and will not die. Or, the second best is to "die soon," by quickly going beyond belief in the illusion of separation of the part from the Whole. (Of course, human life is much more entertaining, precisely to the degree that we are attached to our egotistical illusions, but then the package deal is pleasure is paid for with pain, with the best parts of the package tending to be delivered first, while the worst parts are delivered later.)

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 21:24 | 4120943 BitingTruth
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RM, I truly appreciate your well-thought out response, save the social Darwinist conundrum (the "fittest" man would theory, leaves only "one" man left...clearly cooperation is why we are here) and the dizzying philosophical intellectual argument over what "enlightenment" is.  However, I must agree that Occam's razor better applies to the answer supplied by "essence".  Not to be defeatist or or take any assumptive or accusatory position, I do not seek rebuttal, but rather I seek a path to identifying the problem...if possible.  If it lies in the endocrine chemistry of our flesh (abnormal or normal :) ), then perhaps there is an organic reason to explore.  Given the eons of human "cooperation" and the trust in each other that it represents, it would seem "abnormal" to desire totalitarian power and control as a violation of trust.  Hence, there is clearly one solution....Guillotine! Guillotine!!!  (every pun intended regarding "Occam's razor")

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 21:26 | 4120944 BitingTruth
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RM, I truly appreciate your well-thought out response, save the social Darwinist conundrum (the "fittest" man would theory, leaves only "one" man left...clearly cooperation is why we are here) and the dizzying philosophical intellectual argument over what "enlightenment" is.  However, I must agree that Occam's razor better applies to the answer supplied by "essence".  Not to be defeatist or or take any assumptive or accusatory position, I do not seek rebuttal, but rather I seek a path to identifying the problem...if possible.  If it lies in the endocrine chemistry of our flesh (abnormal or normal :) ), then perhaps there is an organic reason to explore.  Given the eons of human "cooperation" and the trust in each other that it represents, it would seem "abnormal" to desire totalitarian power and control as a violation of trust.  Hence, there is clearly one solution....Guillotine! Guillotine!!!  (every pun intended regarding "Occam's razor")

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:59 | 4117327 erikaappleihzyjtyeg
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When the film makers first blamed Reagan and Thatcher for all the problems in society, I began to realize all (with a few exceptions) the "experts" were wearing sweaters or brown tweed.

The conflation of ideas was mind-numbing.  Being for limited government meant you were against Glass-Steagal, for slavery, for child labor, pollution and selling deadly chemicals on the street corner.  But since the film makers said they were unbiased, they must be right.

Then there was the Baby Boom shaming.  Ahhgghh!

At the end, the film makers used the term "preditory capitalism".  Bleh.

Yes we need to yoke the bankers but that doesn't mean I'll sit quetly while academe remakes the economy in their own image.  I wonder if this movie was filmed before the Obamacare role out?

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 22:31 | 4116478 steveo77
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It was weak, short on ideas for the future.

 

Rehash of the same old "conspiracy theories"

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:17 | 4116558 q99x2
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Gillian Tett had my idea too but she wasn't specific. She said, "going to have to divide up that pie and inflict pain on people."

So yeah 10 of the wealthiest individuals in the world sacrificed each year. Their wealth gets redistributed into a publicly owned and operated open source monetary system. And ok maybe we can bypass the heart ripping experience and just tar and feather them. But anyhow, 10 of the worst psychopaths brought to justice and billions saved from death and slavery. 

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:25 | 4116577 suteibu
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Why stop at 10?  But first you have to go after the foundations which not only hide money from taxes but finance all of the "think tanks" which seem to exist solely as marketing and policy organs for the fascist elite.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:13 | 4116871 newworldorder
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You hit a raw nerve and got your 1st down arrow by someone.

Large, untaxed, almost perpetual wealth, in the hands of Foundations, has allowed the wealth of the 19th and 20th centuries to have been passed forward. It is this wealth that funds the "think tanks" that supports our current social and economic systems."

Most do not know that this collective exists and functions within accepted economics, as well as US and international law. Hidden in plain sight.

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:23 | 4116571 blindman
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at about 9 minute mark about the obsession with sex,
right before the debasement of the currency statement.
..
have you noticed on the t.v. the ubiquitity of commercials for
erectile dysfunction? like dudes into their 70's should be
having erections whenever the sun shines? if that is a problem
they have the cure, little blue pill.
what is up with that? where did these people grow up?
what is the pill for young men who suffer regular and ill
timed erections with no sunshine?
is that ritalin?
.
anyway ....t

Sat, 11/02/2013 - 23:34 | 4116592 edifice
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All that for a gold commercial? Geez...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:05 | 4116647 Oreilly
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Bunch of "former" insiders who now come out in to the light to set up a moral and just system?  I gave up on it less than half way through because of the lack of assigning true responsibility for why the current system doesn't work.  It's not an accident that we are in the same boat that every other society has found itself in ... it's a lack of morals and ethics towards how you live your life with respect to your fellow humans.  Set up any system you like, try to engineer the failsafes so that humans can't cheat and screw their fellow man, and without moral and ethical citizens it'll take only a short period of time before the new moral and just society has been corrupted as well.  Not a single one of the commentators spoke outside of how it was the system that failed ... when the film noted that it was the US Presidents Jackson, Roosevelt and Roosevelt who had beaten back the bankers, JPMorgan and Wall Street I knew that the grasp on reality presented here was limited. 

So I cut to the conclusions portion of the film to see what the recommendations were.  Get rid of consumerism and wasteful use of resources, cancel debt, tax consumption, workers should own means of production ... frankly I have no idea what the last couple of phds were talking about because they appeared to just be happy to hear the sounds of their own voices and seemed to be babbling.  So that's it.  The systems failure isn't anyone's fault, and if we switch to socialism we'll be living in a just and moral society and all be better off.  Don't be afraid to change.

When the citizens of a society teach their progeny that morals and justice are fundamental to living a good life, when those who do wrong are punished regardless of their wealth or power, when you and I are allowed to live the lives we choose without harassment by government, when an individual's labor is justly compensated (and conversely when one's lack of labor is also justly compensated) then the world may work.  I'm not holding my breath. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:38 | 4116703 Oldwood
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Yes, yes and yes. All we need is another "system" when there is no system that has the slightest chance of working that does not include accountability and consequences. Morals and ethics are based on those fundamentals. These "experts" see us as victims, as we are, but fail to recognize we are primarily victims of ourselves. The fact that there are those that will manipulate and take advantage of our weaknesses is nothing new and no "system" will ever prevent it. We have replaced morals with laws and ethics and honesty with contracts, placing our rulers above us in judgment through a legal system of which we have no defense. No one forces us to be infected by consumerism. Its not a big secret that we spend our lives indebted to buy crap we do not need, anymore than we need a "consumer protection agency" to tell us we are buying a house we cannot afford. None of our society's problems can be fixed if we are not willing to fix our own personal ones, and I'm pretty sure that is a low priority for most. We would rather murder the rich people or kneel before a social justice dictator who promises to do the same.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 07:13 | 4116951 overmedicatedun...
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Justice, justice..that's what it comes down to..corzine/obuma/bush/cheney..the list is so long, the point is those now at the highest levers of power cannot be brought to account..the french revolution did bring justice to some until they found out they were all guilty. Stalin killed the useful idiots who brought him to power as he knew they were at heart men who could plot and act against him as well. A society with justice for all, seems beyond man.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:09 | 4116659 jimbos world
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I've been saying it for ten years.  The Internet is changing the world day by day.  This video may not impress the average jaded Zero Hedge visitor, but think what it might teach those around you that don't get it and aren't even trying.  Pass it along!  It may open someone's eyes and they will thank you for it.  

"You can never get enough of that which you don't need..."  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 00:13 | 4116661 Loose_Cannon
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Worth the time to watch, but not for the worn out Marxist solutions at the end.  And I would guess hardly anyone on ZH needs a video primer on fiat, but it might be useful to pass on to people as an introduction.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:03 | 4116734 lasvegaspersona
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The first 42 minutes is a trite concoction of every anti-banker meme from the past years of ZH.

Still waiting for the punch line...will finish my comments after I finish the piece,

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:07 | 4116740 lasvegaspersona
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Oh yeah

it features many of the  ZH commentator giving us the same lines we have heard before. Toss in a few notorious lefties and we have the team.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:37 | 4116769 joego1
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We need a system with about 6 billion less humans in it.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 05:51 | 4116918 CHX
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...so TnewPTB can start the same new/old ponzi again? 1913 reloaded in 2023? 2033 ?? 2043 ???

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:46 | 4117695 Ranger4564
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You first. I'll be right behind you, promise.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:56 | 4116780 Manipuflation
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How does the world really work?  Well, it works like most ZHer's think it works.  You buy low and you sell high.  I have talked about the fact that I worked for a major multinational in the past but I never said who it was.  I got inside their numbers and I got myself in trouble as per usual for me.  But now I can tell you.  Now I am vindicated in so many ways.

 

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/john-deere-landscapes-sold-to-ny-investment-firm/nbbQ6/

 

Well, ain't that a bitch!?  John Deere does NOT sell something that is profitable.  I am surprised they held on to the 40% but I am sure it was a risk mitigation demand from Service Master.  Well, what else do we know about Service Master?  This...

 

http://www.lawnandlandscape.com/ll-051613-service-master-problems.aspx

 

I had seen this coming for years because there could only be one way.  You all know what comes next, restructuring of the company.  But see, I was the one who was always the one labled as the "conspiracy" guy.  I had seen the numbers and I knew they were a lie.  When I brought these issues up I got myself into a lot of trouble and it really did not help that I was doing the same thing to the MNGOP at the same time with the Ron Paul campaigns of 2008 and 2012.

http://www.theuptake.org/2011/12/30/mn-gop-discloses-its-true-debt-nearly-2-million/

 

For some reason, I am still part of a John Deere Landscapes group on FaceBook.  I decided to log in and post and I explained what I have been doing and that we will need another irrigation guy and that it would be great to stay in touch in case anything bad happens.  Within a half hour my post was deleted.  I did not say anything offensive and essentially it was a job offer to people I have worked with before.

 

Perhaps they all still think I am nuts but I think some of them might need to relearn how to get the business end of a shovel dirty again.

 

 

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:40 | 4116885 Skateboarder
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Very interesting story, thanks for sharing Manipuflation!

83.2% loss of operating income over a year... nice...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:49 | 4116783 lasvegaspersona
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OK as the only person who has actually finished watching this piece:

The problems examined are serious. They are systemic. This movie has missed the fundemental underlying problem. It has mis-diagnosed the problem and thus we are called to some vague action that we must somehow together change society.

The missed issue was seen by Rueff and he said of it: it would someday be viewed with' astonishment and scandal'. 

This is a continuation of the old savers verses debtors issue. We do need a change of the monetary system but the movie misses it. The movie focuses on fiat money. Fiat is not the problem. The problem is that there is no stable way for the saver to save.

Deby is not evil. Debt is a promise we voluntarily enter into. Our promises circulate as money. This will continue and we will love it as we do now.

Gold is part of the solution but not as this movie encourages. 

Look to the Euro for the form of the optimistic future we face. Gold, not as part of the monetary system but as a monetary asset. It can be held by individuals as well as nations.

This new system will not require an effort. It will happen naturally. We will not be forced to own the factories we work in. We can save in a much more fungible form, gold.

This movie is a trite restatement of well worn arguments by many of the folks who gave us the 'bankers are evil' meme.

Debt will be forgiven the old fashioned way...currency collapse. 

This is coming soon.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 01:06 | 4116798 Manipuflation
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I like what you say but I take some umbrage with this statement:

 

"OK as the only person who has actually finished watching this piece:"

 

I plussed you but I have to tell you that most ZHers have likely already heard it all before.  There is no reason to watch more of the same for many of us.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 03:30 | 4116847 tradewithdave
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@LVP  You're getting warm. Not only currency collapse but selective bail-ins and jubilees depending on where the lines are drawn as in this week's  RBS bad bank spinoff or what may be better described as a "spin-on". 

A couple of things  about this movie were disturbing to me (although not quite "breathtaking" as described by the author of this article).  Most projects, to acquire backing are formed in some ideological basis.  This project was more about personality hybrids than ideals and reminded me of one of those Hollywood movies that comes out every few years with an ensemble cast such as Four Weddings & A Funeral, or maybe a better example would be Cannonball Run (Burt and DeLuise, Sammy and Dean, Roger Moore, Farrah Fawcett, Jamie Farr, Jackie Chan) or the classic ensemble It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World

The promotion, marketing and distribution of the film has been quite odd.  Obviously they had the resources to make it, but the distribution at least appeared ill-conceived.  It's like they were spending someone elses money whose goal was to make a movie, but not necessarily to have the movie be seen.  I realize distribution is nearly impossible but if you have a strong enough belief system (i.e. Louis C.K. for example - I don't like his comedy but I love his distribution strategy) then you apply those same beliefs to the business model for showings, distribution, etc.  I just don't understand what these guys were trying to accomplish with their business model or lack thereof.  Maybe it will be a slow burn like the first Rocky movie that built momentum later, but that's a long shot.  It seems to be a bookend for a whole series of films from Zeitgeist Moving Forward to Inside Job, Margin Call and Too Big To Fail.  Much of which to me seem designed to massage moral hazard and to justify Hank Paulson and Tim Geithner's current status as non-incarcerated. 

In the absence of a big idea The Four Horsemen simply become an opportunity to assemble an ensemble of interviews and showcase the emerging internet and alternative media personalities who have become increasiningly popular following the Lehman collapse. In their TV show format, Renegade Economist claims to be "diisrupting the business television format."  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiRXmsWDT8M  Their production quality in everything I have seen is top shelf.  A whole lot of thought goes into their production and execution which makes for easy viewing.  What I don't see is a fundamental idea at the kernel of their concept and I also don't see a business model for how the thing is supposed to make money.  It all feels to me like they are spending a rich person's money who wants to say "Hey, I made a movie" or "Hey, I have a TV show."  If someone got behind those resources with a genuine philosophical target, they would quickly gain traction and build audience.  They may do it anyway. 

It may not even be necessary to have a "big idea" behind their  efforts if they're going to position themselves as a news or talk show format.  They could just be a cross between Glenn Beck, Jay Leno and Charlie Rose with a British accent portraying what their host Ross Ashcroft refers to as "Kitchen Sink Existentialism."  Throw in some retro Andrews Sisters style singers in bright red lipstick and you have a new media property that costs real money to produce so it should make real money right?  Tough to say.  I give them an "A" for effort and an "A+" for production execution, but a failing grade on strategy.  Since when is strategy important for television or gold Iphones, or what I guess you could call IPad television for one.  At least they are trying. 

Reason.com's ReasonTV does somewhat the same thing but without the production glitz and accent.  Although Reason positions themselves as libertarian, Nick Gillespie would seem to be acting and feels disingenuous IMHO and there are lots of people that don't understand the distinction between libertarian, Marxism and a Sunsteinian Libertarian Paternalism.  Even Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are sharing that common cooperative (pretty naive if you ask Dave). The guys at Renegade Economist could probably do the whole thing in a Google Hangout and save a lot of money, but would they get the engagement of an Oprah Winfrey? There's no business like show business... like no business I know.  I just don't know if these guys know business or have no business being in business... you know? 

www.tradewithdave.com

 


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 04:46 | 4116886 StychoKiller
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Meh, I've read FOFOA also!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 05:27 | 4116903 daemon
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"... 23 international thinkers, government advisers and Wall Street money-men break their silence and explain how to establish a moral and just society. "

That sounds great, but do they explain how to keep it moral and just, for more than a few weeks, months or years  ?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 05:58 | 4116922 ft65
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Lots of comments, but I wonder how many people have watched the video in full.

 

The sad fact is what we've constructed reflects human nature. It's a cycle constantly repeated on a micro and macro scale.

 

Cheap (easy) energy has allowed the global population expand out of all control. As the video proves, even the poorest can scratch a living with the help of (still) cheap energy.

 

Redistribution - however it might be achieved will not stop people reproducing, it will increase it. Education only works for a relative few. It's a cycle that has to run it's course, however unfair. Revolution only really threatens the more well to do. If you are going to die through poverty, disease, why not take a few of your overlords with you.

 

There is no short term or long term solution, things will just play out. It might be quick, it might be slow and painful... But it will play out. May-be we can try and tinker with it to eke the remainder of our time.  The dinosaurs predominated for millions of years, we've been about for a few thousand in our modern guise. We have past our zenith for this time around... Move on nothing to see here.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:23 | 4117572 Amagnonx
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Most advanced nations have contracting rather than expanding populations - if I understand rate of birth charts correctly.  Poor nations, especially in Africa have huge birth rates - kind of runs in contradiction to your thesis.

 

I don't think the ultimate sin of cheap energy has necessarily been population increase - I think consumerism, planned obsolescence and staggered release of technology improvements are the main sins of cheap energy.  Building trash has become a virtue.

 

I'm not a believer in 'redistribution', as I'm essentially an anarchist - but human property doesn't include anything that we didn't build.  The idea that some guy can own a discovery is immoral - you can own an invention, but something that already existed belongs to everyone.  My point is, that rent of all types belongs to everyone - and anyone confiscating rent is just a thief.

 

Elimination of rent would do a great deal for equality - but we first need to eliminate the corrupt financial system, fiat and fractional reserve banking.  

After that I would suggest eliminating modern law entirely and replacing law with some very simple laws that you can fit on an A4 paper - then just allow juries to interpret the law, and record the actions they take to establish justice in each case.  The complexity of law, and the fact that this separates people from access to justice is not an accident - it is intentional, and needs to be reversed.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:02 | 4116953 falak pema
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This video resonates to my "I have a dream" post.

And they never consulted me, lol!

 4114854

On a more serious note if Moore's law could apply to Solar efficiency, both for production and storage, we could be out of the depleting cheap fossil energy conundrum by 2050, instead of waiting for 3-4 ° global Temperature rise and 2100 horizon, as predicted here :

How Solar Surged In America - Business Insider

ANything to accelerate this process would be a major planet saver strategy! 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 08:17 | 4116994 reader2010
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The spectacle is not a collection of images; it is a social relation between people that is mediated by images…Understood in its totality, the spectacle is both the result and the project of the dominant mode of production. It is not a mere decoration added to the real world. It is the very heart of this real society’s unreality. In all of its particular manifestations — news, propaganda, advertising, entertainment — the spectacle represents the dominant model of life. It is the omnipresent affirmation of the choices that have already been made in the sphere of production and in the consumption implied by that production. In both form and content the spectacle serves as a total justification of the conditions and goals of the existing system. The spectacle also represents the constant presence of this justification since it monopolizes the majority of the time spent outside the production process.

Guy Debord, The Society of the Spectacle, 1967.

The simple fact of being unanswerable has given what is false an entirely new quality. At a stroke it is truth which has almost everywhere ceased to exist or, at best, has been reduced to the status of pure hypothesis. Unanswerable lies have succeeded in eliminating public opinion, which first lost the ability to make itself heard and then very quickly dissolved altogether. This evidently has significant consequences for politics, the applied sciences, the legal system and the arts. The manufacture of a present where fashion itself, from clothes to music, has come to a halt, which wants to forget the past and no longer seems to believe in a future, is achieved by the ceaseless circularity of information, always returning to the same short list of trivialities, passionately proclaimed as major discoveries. Meanwhile news of what is genuinely important, of what is actually changing, comes rarely, and then in fits and starts. It always concerns this world’s apparent condemnation of its own existence, the stages in its programmed self-destruction.

Guy Debord, Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, 1988

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:20 | 4117059 bentaxle
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How the world really works........in a word....APATHY.

No one wants to do anything. No one wants to question much, if, anything at all. Everything is "brushed under the carpet," we make a mess, even a spectacular financial catastrophe! And do we want to CLEAN it up??? No! We just want to look at it, scratch our balls and leave it to someone else to sort out. Someone in Washington DC, or Beijing, or London, or Berlin etc, etc. We (stupidly!) allowed them to control almost everything major about our lives, (I don't have to ask DC if I want to take a piss, but if I want to do anything else do I need to get "official" permission?) particularly banking and so when a banking crisis hits' it's DC's problem to sort out, right? (WRONG, who put those fuckers in DC?!?!? )

And whilst we allow apathy to reign, time and the creeping extent of fiat financial infection, will mean the number that get killed off, starts out as a few million, then hundreds of millions, in the end maybe nearly a billion........with a bit of luck? But who cares, it's apathy forever...baby!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:55 | 4117097 d edwards
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Throw in "ignorance" too.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:26 | 4117066 CPL
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The world works the way it does only because you want it to work that way.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 09:58 | 4117100 d edwards
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A variation on "wishing makes it so?"

 

I don't think so.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:58 | 4117706 Ranger4564
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No. It can be the result of inaction, complicity, ambivalence, support, active sponsorship, ignorance, etc etc etc. It does not have to be the result of voodoo prayers or entirely someone else's fault.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:16 | 4117105 22winmag
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The first few minutes feels a lot  Zeitgeist Moving Forward, which, love it or hate it, was a truly phenomenal movie that's almost 3 years old now... just sayin'.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

 

Update: this movie is more or less another version of Zeitgeist Moving Forward, which really isn't a bad thing. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:34 | 4117205 tradewithdave
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Resource-based "solutions" are simply a repackaging of Marx where they exchange labor (in the absence of jobs) for in-situ resources.  Stewardship is not the same as austerity or having your rainwater taxed.  I'm not saying that Google's Planetary Resources is the answer to abundance either but it will probably destroy the value of gold by destroying gold's scarcity decades in the future. 

Whoever controls the data in these resource-based models (such as the new IBM freshwater derivative information licensing model from Scott Rickards) essentially monetizes the information in a means-tested 3D accounting model that knows how many Big Gulps you gulped because it measures your input on your EBT card at Wal-mart and your output with a meter on your toilet to make sure you didn't spell any Pepsi and to check for illicit drugs while they're at it. 

Imagine living in a co-housing development with Jacques Fresco as the data-potentate or Marcus Raskin as mayor and you have a good idea of how the model manifests itself.  Marcus' daughter-in-law is a Fed Governor to top things off. 

http://tradewithdave.com/?s=zeitgeist

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:42 | 4117400 22winmag
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Yeah, I'm not saying Zeitgeist or Horsemen offer solid solutions or anything, but they are both full of good information and thought provoking illustrations. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:03 | 4117551 Amagnonx
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I'm not familiar with the resourced based solutions idea - would you be able to elucidate a bit?  Truthfully, not following quite a lot of your post here - and I am interested.

The resource-based models you refer to - what is their purpose, and what data do they contain?

Google's Planetary Resources - you are referring to the asteroid mining idea?

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 10:08 | 4117112 bluedevil
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I do believe that many of the worlds central and commercial banking leaders are psychopaths. I listen to Bernanke and Dimon and think how smart they appear, charming even, saying perhaps what many want to hear,...but I then think about their actions and imagine them swinging from their necks in a public square.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:02 | 4117707 Ranger4564
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Are you sure the psychopath is not You? You sounded so normal, until you got to the "swinging by their necks" part. ;-)

Just kidding, I agree, they're crazy mofo's and should be hung.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:23 | 4117181 Amagnonx
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There is a system which can be created that will solve the major problems, however it would be a manmade system and could be undone.  Preventing the solution from being undone is probably more difficult than implementing the system in the first place.

 

The movie did not assign blame, which is a critical failure.  Most of the pain delivered by our current mode of civilization is due to monetary fraud, which needs to be prosecuted.  Fiat is fraud, fractional reserve is fraud - it is also a monopoly- we need to articulate this, and prosecute, then confiscate the illegally accumulated wealth.  Until then we are not really approaching any kind of solution.

 

Also I noticed that the narrator completely failed to understand the concept of land taxation which was recommended by the people interviewed - instead he started babbling about a 'consumption' tax - which is just as much theft as income tax.

 

Land* tax is not a tax at all, it is a recognition that wealth is created by human labor, and that only the products of human labor can rightly be identified as private property.  Things that exist in nature cannot be legally** appropriated by individuals and rented back to society.  For example, nobody can claim they own the sun and start charging rent for sunshine - this is illegal, because the sun - like the earth, is not private property - every human being has an equal interest in land (in this definition means everything except for human beings and the products of human beings).

 

So if everyone has an equal interest in the land, then everyone is due an equal share of the rent payed (based on its unimproved value, buildings and improvements belong to human beings as they are products of labor).  Therefore diverting all rent into a public fund is not tax, it is a recognition of the equal interests of all human beings in the value of the earth.

 

Creating wealth through application of labor is lawful, and the wealth rightly belongs to those who labor - the extraction of wealth without labor is plunder, and is illegal in all cases.  So rent is plunder - and therefore illegal.  It should be noted that the exploitation of a natural monopoly, or the creation of an artifical monopoly induces a premium.  The cause of the monopoly is always the existence of society, or the fact that others exist but are excluded from use of a resource is the definition of a monopoly.  In other words, it is society itself that creates the premium that is derived from monopoly - therefore the premium righfully belongs to society (wealth belongs to those that create it).  The entire sum of the premium of a monopoly belongs to all, and if taken by an individual or group constitutes plunder.

 

It should be noted that interest derived on a loan is not plunder, insofar as no monopoly exists.  Savings are the result of labor in the past, and the interest represents your fee for hiring out your saved labor.  In other words, you are applying your labor for the benefit of someone else - so you can legally be compenstated for your labor, and also the risk of loss.

 

* Land includes everything thats not a product of human labor, including real estate, sunshine, air, water, the cycle of life, radio frequencies, fish in the ocean, minerals, oil and gas, naturally occuring timber and so on.

 

** Legally in this context refers to the application of the universal Law of Equilibrium as it applies to human beings, also known as natural law - namely - Whosoever infringes the property of another human being without their consent, or due process of law commits an unlawful act.  The natural world is the equal inheritance of all human beings, and its benefits are to be justly divided amonst them.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:55 | 4117222 tradewithdave
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"In so far as no monopoly exists." Are you including a monopoly on the form of money by which taxes are payable? 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:38 | 4117502 Amagnonx
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Correct - I am assuming actual money, ie gold, silver or something else that is independent of central control.  Currency is not money, and any amount of currency does not represent savings - most of it represents fraud.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 11:23 | 4117192 lieto
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And all along I thought fiat was a car?

Bwahaaaaa!

Tell people a bucket of sand has more intrinsic value than our currency and they look at you real funny, but it"s true.

Sigh.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 12:50 | 4117313 spine001
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Tyler, very good movie, but plese lwet the authors know that they aer missing a critical point, and that is how psychotropic drugs are being used by the establishment to stop on their tracks the young people with the personalities that drive change. Cannabis was specifically select for that trait, targets this type of personality and destroys the individual.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:50 | 4117523 TheFulishBastid
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da'fuq are you on?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:14 | 4117352 shovelhead
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Until the ability to counterfeit labor/added value is destroyed, it's deckchair moving on the Titanic.

Your labor/ value add from your own or someone else's business, for example, represents 40 hours of time per week.

When someone at a bank can create, via data entry, 40 million hours of value in the time it takes to make the keystrokes, from thin air and without effort, it becomes easy to see the problem.

This simple fraud is what makes all other financial and political frauds possible. The fantastic advantage this fraudulent 'wealth' gives to capture real assets creates the concentration and disparity of assets we see today.

A commodity backed and redeemable currency issued by the Govt. under close scrutiny and transparency without a central bank and eliminating fraction reserve fraud would immediately reduce wealth disparity because it would eliminated all fictional 'wealth' of which most of our current money is comprised.

Credit would be entirely comprised of savings which would, by necessity, be costly because it would be limited by available savings and earn those savers a reasonable return and force banks to closely scrutinize the creditworthiness of potential borrowers or face ruin for liability on defaults.

Real Bills extinguishable in 90 days at no interest (see Antal Fekete) would provide the expansion and contraction necessary for production without inflation.

I'd like to see a video on roundtable discussions of the various means of creating a new system based on honest redeemable currency and transmission methods that cannot be captured by special interests.

This also would have to include Congressional finance reform to eliminate the now legal ability to buy influence. You would have the right to petition and make a case, but you'd have to do it with empty hands.

Looks like a series of videos would be needed to make people realize how big a fight they would be in for because I'm pretty sure it would be a death match. The alternative to a fight is to be a farm animal.

That never ends well either.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:45 | 4117510 Amagnonx
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Spot on - except one thing I have some issue with.  A commodity backed and redeemable currency issued by the Govt. "

 

The govt has no business in minting money, it should be done privately - the govt will always end up debasing it.  Private entities will be in competition with each other in issuing money, and debasement is likely to be uncovered and harm their reputation.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:41 | 4117986 layman_please
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"A commodity backed and redeemable currency issued by the Govt. "

that could only work if there would be no corruption in the government... who are we kidding, these two are synonyms. history has proven it, otherwise we would be still on gold standard or something similar.

how do you get government out the way? there's not a single market that is not influenced by it. i'm not kidding, black market is the only thing i can think of, even though they have a part in drug trafficking.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:31 | 4117380 LongOfTooth
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In some of the comments here I'm detecting the old saying which goes something like "if you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bull-shit."

 

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:09 | 4117447 NoTTD
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I was with them right up until Noam Chomsky was named as an important thinker.  If you consider hard socialism as the answer to all problems, you'll want to listen to this tax-fattened hyena.  After all, being a fully qualified linguistics professor is the ultimate qualification to solve all problems.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:08 | 4117800 erikaappleihzyjtyeg
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When Chomsky went up the letters WTF came to mind. 

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:38 | 4117496 DOT
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I kept waiting for the pitch... news letter, stock picking, 503 plea. The presentation in its entirety, failed to disambiguate Corporate, and Social contribution to human existence and the enormous costs associated with Political apparatus. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:45 | 4117508 Heroic Couplet
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Spent 8 years calling George W Bush and his dimwit US Labor Secretary liars. Was unemployed for 11 months. My local unemployment office asked me to "volunteer."

I said oh hell no I'm not volunteering to do anything, not with my degrees and background. Using social media to call Bush a liar is all that I'm going to do. Turned it in to the unemployment office. My unemployment checks never stopped coming. If you want to know the unemployment situation in the US today, with jobs shipped offshore, the Bush tax cuts in place, and the lies, ask the unemployment office staff.

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