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US Drones Taliban Leader; His Troops Vow Bloody Revenge; Pakistan Government Furious At America
Having done a bang up job in Syria, where Obama nearly started world war III so Qatar could send its natgas to Europe at a lower price than Gazprom's, while alienating America's legacy allies in the region, Saudi Arabia and Israel, and ensuring its enemies see it even weaker in the international arena following Obama's schooling by Putin, the US president continues to win friends abroad (while spying there, here and everywhere, namely the Pope) with the latest snafu coming from Pakistan, another former ally, where America just droned the leader of the Taliban fighters on Saturday, leaving his body "damaged but recognizable".
In response the Taliban - once upon a time another close ally of the CIA and especially their one time leader, Osama bin Laden - quickly moved to replace him while vowing a wave of revenge suicide bombings: because what the US needed right now is even more potential terrorism. But not before the outraged Pakistani government, insulted that the US continues to take whatever liberties on its territory it chooses, summoned the US ambassador, although not for another instance of NSA spying, but due to America's penchant for delivering not so targeted mass executions around the world by remote control.
The Pakistani government denounced the killing of Hakimullah Mehsud as a U.S. bid to derail planned peace talks and summoned the U.S. ambassador to protest. Some lawmakers demanded the blocking of U.S. supply lines into Afghanistan in retaliation.
"The murder of Hakimullah is the murder of all efforts at peace," said Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar. "Americans said they support our efforts at peace. Is this support?"
Not really, although if Pakistan had read the Xinhua oped from Friday it would know that already.
Mehsud, who had a $5 million U.S. bounty on his head, and three others were killed on Friday in the militant stronghold of Miranshah in northwest Pakistan.
Mehsud's vehicle was hit after he attended a meeting of Taliban leaders, a Pakistani Taliban fighter said, adding that Mehsud's body was "damaged but recognizable". His bodyguard and driver were also killed.
He was secretly buried under cover of darkness in the early hours by a few companions amid fears that his funeral might be attacked by U.S. drones, militants and security sources said.
And here is why the US globocop policy of droning anyone it chooses abroad always backfires.
"Every drop of Hakimullah's blood will turn into a suicide bomber," said Azam Tariq, a Pakistani Taliban spokesman. "America and their friends shouldn't be happy because we will take revenge for our martyr's blood."
Maybe not America, but its leaders who thrive on a culture of constant fear from "terrorism", even when it is openly provoked, should. Especially when the target is Al Qaeda which is a strategic friend in some cases (Syria), and the worst foe when a Bogeyman is needed:
Mehsud took over as leader of the al Qaeda-linked Pakistani Taliban in 2009. The group's two previous leaders were killed in attacks by U.S. missile-firing drones. Taliban commanders said they wanted to replace him with the movement's number two, Khan Said, who is also known as Sajna.
Said is believed to have masterminded an attack on a jail in northwest Pakistan that freed nearly 400 prisoners in 2012 and a big attack on a Pakistani naval base.
But some commanders were unhappy with the choice and wanted more talks, several militants said, indicating divisions within the Pakistani Taliban, an umbrella group of factions allied with the Afghan Taliban and battling the Pakistani state in the hope of imposing Islamist rule.
The Pakistani Taliban killed an army general in September, has beheaded Pakistani soldiers and killed thousands of civilians in suicide bombings. The group also directed a failed attempt to bomb Times Square in New York.
Hopefully all futures attempts to bomb Times Square will likewise be "failed" courtesy of the NSA's undying vigilance.
And since every US action abroad has an immediate reaction, the Pakistani government has already clarified it will make US strategic intervention in the region that much more difficult:
The Pakistani foreign office said in a statement on Saturday Mehsud's death was "counter-productive to Pakistan's efforts to bring peace and stability to Pakistan and the region".
Shah Farman, a spokesman for the government of the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, said provincial lawmakers would pass a resolution on Monday to cut NATO supply lines into landlocked Afghanistan. A major one passes through the nearby Khyber Pass.
The supply lines through U.S. ally Pakistan have been crucial since the latest Afghan war began in 2001 and remain vital as the United States and other Western forces prepare to withdraw from Afghanistan by the end of next year.
Finally, for those wondering just how big the US drone presence in the region is, the answer is: very.
Residents of Miranshah, the capital of the North Waziristan region on the Afghan border, said Pakistani Taliban fighters were converging on the town and firing furiously at drones buzzing high in the sky.
About eight drones were seen overhead as well as a larger aircraft that seemed to be an aeroplane or a type of drone that residents said they had not seen before.
"We thought it was a C-130 aircraft but it was a special spy plane, bigger in size," resident Farhad Khan said by telephone from Miranshah. "The militants fired from their anti-aircraft guns to hit it but couldn't."
The good news: for now the US is focusing its droning powers abroad. Hopefully that, too, doesn't change any time soon.
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Bingo. Communism rots the soul of a nation. Go visit the former Soviet Union and get to know the people who live there. It is amazing how communism still haunts every aspect of their society. When communism dies,the economy recovers pretty quickly, but all the other aspects of the culture take much, much longer to recover-- and a lot of people simply can't adjust.. I'd say two to three generations before the rot gets cleansed based on my observations.
don't forget your young hip cat persian junkies.....wow. does that make me a journalist?
We are so sorry for this kind of wickedness unleashed upon the world with no recourse for the criminal murderers that order this kind of action, and for the Godless controllers of these killing machines that do the real killing. For them all, a great hell awaits. A special prosecuter is even now being appointed to go after these war-criminals that are responsible for this pure evil. Even the makers of these machines will be held accountable for their roles in these targeted killings.
We mourn with you folks that lose relatives in Pakistan and in many other countries. This is NOT the choice of the American People. We are sorrowful in our hearts also, for the American people no longer have any control of the master puppet race that works for the rottenchid empire of dust. Those that serve this beast will fall with this beast when the world unites to defeat it. The multi-headed hydra of babel is falling fast, and there are insiders that are primed for their roles in taking down the Vampires after THEY fire the first shot. They will not escape the anarchy they have set up the world's people to experience.
We the Heart of the American People wish to sincerely apologize to the world for our outrageous babylonic govt that is out of control and no longer part of America. They too work for the rottenchid empire of dust, all kow-towing to their god, money.
There are great answers to this horrible situation in which you have a family of banksters running the world into the ground for empire profiteering, and population reduction. It is already happening. All according to the elitist plans of course. Those plans have been told and linked to many times here and everywhere.
http://archives2013.gcnlive.com/Archives2013/nov13/Nutrimedical/1101133.mp3
Everybody who cares about any kind of future knows it will not be reached by warmongering, rather by uniting world-wide to live as the One Tribe of Man all were created to be.
One Love.
Noblesse oblige: privilege entails responsibility.
The coarse ruffians have got their jackboot on the world, and they must be defeated.
On the other hand, if we had allowed our soldiers the rules of engagement Obama allows for his drone fleet, the sad fuck in question might have met his 72 rapists years sooner. Instead, we have thousands of dead and tens of thousands of wounded, and nothing to show for it. Obama is pulling out and turning it over to the Taliban right on his announced schedule.
Remember kiddies; someday other countries that hate us for our freedoms (besides our own) will have drones too.....
Create a little more terrorism to justify the NSA spying.
Never trust a Pakistani, they are mostly lying bastards.
Especially Pakistanis who pretend to be Americans, just because they had the money to go to UCLA or some such shit college...
Is this legal precedent for me to drone the fuck out of my lying ex brother in law?
Much easier: get your sister to give you his SS number or NI number. Then dob him into the tax authority. That's what finally did for Al Capone.
The Pashtun tribe of Afghanistan and north western Pakistan are notoriously treacherous, untrustworthy. They like their saying: 'You can rent us. You can't buy us.' Modern boundaries are ignored by them. They are medievalists, the inbred who marry their own cousins, and carry on fckng boys, as is their traditiion.
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PC media describes them killing our troops as 'a local man dressed as a soldier' or 'dressed as a policeman'. All to cover up the fact that treacherous Afghans and Pakis receiving Western aid turn their guns on our troops if they get the chance or they're high on the local drug.
Sounds like the Muslim version of my original home state, West By God Virginia.
Probably best to just leave them alone. You won't beat em.
Agreed: they should be left alone in their muck. The Russians did warn that it was a mistake to get embroiled there, but the lure of the opium trade attracted the Western corporatists who waste the blood and treasure of ordinary trusting people in order to get their monopoly on the AF/Pak cash crop. Afghanistan: the world's biggest producer of opium/heroin.
As the biggest creator of muck since seizing Cuba and Porto Rico invasions in the 19th century then going on to United fruit company larking and what followed since CIA invented the new inquisition; pretending it was to match toe to toe the KGB its twin; its nice to see this logic carried to its logical conclusion.
The USA is the biggest "cut and run" operation since Man invented the "French plague" which came back to Europe from the West Indies on Columbus's boats; a return kiss from Amerindia for having received small pox en bubonic stuff. It infected Europe via the Naples invasion of french troops, running wild subsequently all over Italy; whence the sobriquet.
Now its Pax Americana that plays the game like El Supremo and thinks there will never be consequence for being such a shoddy cut and run artist since NAM made it an obsessive mantra of false flagging the gullible world as benevolent hegemon.
Guess again, the muck is now coming home to USA like the french plague did to Lyon.
Just as a post mortem on the french thread : the Italian venture was "imperial love's labour lost" for France, but it begat as poisoned legacy factious civil war all disguised by reformist ideology as "religious war" for 40 bloody years.
In fact it was totally political, it signalled the end of the feudal order of factious nobility and the birth of Absolutist nation state in France and Europe.
Awesome consequence.
Exactly. This is an enemy you kill. Beating them just makes you tired.
Is he in Pakistan?
No. Chicago. Which would make it double plus good.
unlike us, right?
So this is the third leader taken out by drones? So who is the new leader of the group? Any volunteers?
I wouldn't want that promotion.
If your family was droned it would not be a difficult decision.
Blowback.
We really don't want those wars winding down just yet. There are no jobs for those veterans. Large numbers of unemployed young citizens trained in weapons and sworn to defend the Constitution could be a recipe for mischief. It would be far more stable for the Union to allow Dreamers and other illegal aliens to stand in their stead.
sarc
We really don't want the spying winding down just yet.
Imagine how many jobs would be lost just in case the US stops to spy on Germany, Italy, Poland etc (Euroland). Imagine the damage for the US empire. The huge corporations of the empire would be thrown back because then they have solely to rely on their own research and ideas. No more frontrunning of patents, no more declaration of a patent as secret (thus stopping its implementation in products), while at the same time US companies do it secretly, no more sabotage, etc.
"Hopefully all futures attempts to bomb Times Square will likewise be "failed" courtesy of the NSA's undying vigilance"...
For this statement can we laugh now? With the likes of Brennan, Clapper and Alexander this is just what you need for a "green shoots" MIC economy. No? Let's not forget "War is Peace"?
This article is indicative of how absolutely off the wall and out of our minds we've become in this Country and worst of all that we've allowed this kind of abject failure to continue on our watch. When the pictures of Abu Ghraib leaks made there debut to the Western media in Spring of 2004 I said to myself we will lose everything including our partners because of what we have done in this. Fast forward 9 years... Remember the torture, rape and murder videos that President Obama refused to show the American taxpayer from Iraq that we couldn't see for fear of reprisals against the U.S. ?
We've got everything we deserve coming to us! To our boyz and girlz suiting up for Syria and beyond. Buckle up your chin strap and good luck. Cause your next date with destiny is going to be one hell of a bitch in the payback department.
If nobody has seen these yet including the excerpts from the film on the drone attacks in Pakistan it is a must watch. No surprises that members of Congress didn't bother to show up to speak to the victims of those attacks. But why should we be surprised by the psychopaths who lobbied and voted for it and probably have the options to match from the likes of Boeing, Lockheed and Raytheon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGz3ht0oyA#t=3523http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/29-3
Egypt is about to become 'relevant' for the right reasons again though certain people would prefer otherwise and expect the propaganda machine to get to work overtime.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/exposed-muslim-brother...
El Watan, one of Egypt’s most widely circulated and read newspapers, has published a report discussing the Muslim Brotherhood’s influence over the United States, especially in the context of inciting pro-Brotherhood policies against Egypt’s popular June 30 Revolution, which resulted in the ousting of Muhammad Morsi and the Brotherhood from power.
Titled (in translation), “With Names, Identities, and Roadmap… El Watan Exposes Brotherhood Cells in America,” it’s written by investigative journalist Ahmed al-Tahiri, who begins the report by saying:
n the context of El Watan’s ongoing investigation concerning the Brotherhood’s cells and lobby inside America that support the regime of the ousted [Morsi], and which intensified their activities to attack and defame the June 30 Revolution, informed sources have disclosed to El Watan newspaper the names and cell entities of the Brotherhood and their roadmap of activities all throughout the United States of America.
The sources said that these organizations, which are spread throughout the States, agitated for and were supportive of the decisions taken by Muhammad Morsi’s project to “Brotherhoodize” and consolidate power [in Egypt] and gave a favorable opinion to the general American public that Morsi’s decisions were welcomed by the public [in Egypt]. Following the June 30 Revolution, these groups launched a malicious war in order to incite the American administration to take hostile decisions against Egypt, with the aim of bringing back the Brotherhood to power.
El Watan then goes on to name names, saying that the following activists and entities are Brotherhood operatives working within the United States (reproduced verbatim):
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This is just the tip of the iceberg....
http://shoebat.com/2013/11/02/reuters-obama-brotherhood-tie-conspiracy-t...
A report by Reuters that headlined Secretary of State John Kerry’s scheduled visit to Egypt one day before Mohammed Mursi is set to go on trial, includes an interesting paragraph near the end. More on Kerry’s visit in a bit, but first…
Via the U.K. Guardian:
The newspaper the Reuters report is likely referring to is Al-Wafd, which printed such an article back in August. The story alleging Barack is himself a member of the Muslim Brotherhood was given additional voice when Brotherhood sympathizer Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Institute, tweeted the article in an attempt to mock it.
To be clear, our work has never concluded that Barack Obama is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood but we did report on the claims.
What the Reuters report totally avoids is the very tangible evidence that at least four members of Obama’s family in Kenya consort with wahhabists and one of those members – Malik Obama – works for an arm of the Sudanese government in his role as Executive Secretary for the Islamic Da’wa Organization (IDO). Sudan is led by Omar al-Bashir, himself a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. While we have also not made the charge that Malik is a Muslim Brotherhood member, it is a far more provable claim.
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Tahani Al-Jebali, former Chancellor of the Constitutional Court of Egypt, has made that claim and continues to do so. Even CNN Arabic reported Jebali’s claims this past August.
Youm 7 reported in August that a complaint was filed with Egypt’s Attorney General in which Malik Obama was accused of financing and supporting terrorism in Egypt. The complaint requested Al-Jebali’s input.
Those who make the charge that even if Malik is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, this shouldn’t implicate President Obama, run into a bit of problem, courtesy of the IRS and former Tax Exempt director Lois Lerner. By illegally back-dating the tax exempt status of Malik Obama’s organization, Lerner committed a crime. If she did so under orders from above, this would implicate the Obama administration – and quite possibly Barack Obama himself – in financing terrorism.
Lerner’s actions are not circumstantial; they are quantifiable (even if Congress refuses to investigate). Rep. Mike Kelly, who sits on the House Ways and Means Committee told a caller during a radio town hall on August 29th that the claims against Lois Lerner and Malik Obama are “spot on”. Yet, Congress has been silent on this extremely explosive matter.
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While McCain and Graham were making the rounds in Egypt, the State Department’s number two – Bill Burns – met quite secretly with Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood deputy and former presidential candidate, Khairat al-Shater in secret for 90 minutes. Al-Shater’s chief of staff at the time – Gehad el-Haddad – attempted to diminish the meeting as being inconsequential and only lasted 10 minutes. It’s since been learned that el-Haddad, like Huma Abedin, whose familial connections to the Brotherhood are steep, also worked for the Clintons.
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You heard that right folks Gehad el-Haddad who is the chief of staff to one of the highest level Muslim Brotherhood figures in Egypt (one who controlled access to underground tunnels used for smuggling 'things' into Gaza) also worked for the Clintons at the same time Mursi was 'elected' as President.
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/renaissance-man-gehad-el-haddad-wor...
All this is common knowledge in parts of the East.
Only American media does not report it.
My own research and, let's say, 'other information' leads me to conclude Bath House, Hitlery, etc may be agents of the MB, as in paid agents. They would also be classified as 'fellow-travelers' to use an old term. Their political beliefs (both ardent Alinsky students) coincide with much of the MB.
Since it has not been posted lately, we must remember the MB was under German influence during WW2. After that war, they fell into the hands of MI6. Afterwards, the American CIA. Zawahiri's mentor was a German-British collaborator.
This does not mean the MB is controlled by western intel agencies. That is true tinfoil hat stuff. The two have sometimes common interests, as in Russian activity in Afghanistan in 1979. It is also a dangerous 2-way street, as in a corrupt US president could make use of them to undermine the USG.
So, we have a leadership in the current government with a fraternal orientation to the MB and a financial incentive. It must also be noted that Iranian-born Marxist Valerie Jarrett is the true administrator of this current presidency. While Bath House is a most willing ideological conspirator, he is primarily the front-man, the Sham-Wow guy. He has the psychopathy of Hitler, for example, but not the stones. Everything has been given to him. Hitler won an Iron Cross, 1st Class, in WW1. He endured years of true poverty while building his anger. He built an entire party from almost scratch while serving initially as a political officer in the German Army post WW1. In short, he worked his Austrian Ass Off. Comparing Bath House to Adolf is an insult to Adolf, but I cannot resist it, either.
What is dangerous is having an individual with the same warped mental process as Adolf Hitler in the WH. Ideology will always trump Fact. Individual human lives mean nothing to this sort of leadership.
We must next look at the Hidden Powers, as I think Woodrow Wilson described them. Today, it would be the CFR and Bilderbergers. They effect policies based on guidelines presented to them by the HP. Their power can be broken only if the Front Men are removed and smaller, local enclaves of governing are built.
The best means so far to accomplish this is by following the US Constitution.
Will enough People throughout the world wake up?
Cheers, Dewey.
What, no addresses? Maybe you would put together a map like one of the sex predator maps. Just a thought.
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Glenn Beck's been calling these dirtbags out for years.
Now maybe somebody will listen.
Doubt it…
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mormons/masons/noi/brotherhood/klan. what's the difference?
Great information.
Any thoughts on exactly what "faction" is actively pissing on the various Brotherhood fires?
it just keeps getting better doesn't it. you couldn't make this shit up.
So far, this is still nothing. Merely deliberately poking the hornet's nest, intending to drive out a swarm, to then make things get way worse, so that finally, there will be sufficient excuses to get into some really serious levels of genocidal wars, and along with democidal martial law.
The basic problem is that we have high-graded ourselves to hell, by growing at an exponential rate by turning all the highest quality natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, without any way to sustain that. Rather, everything has been exponential growth, overshooting tremendously, to generate levels of population and human activities which now have no known means to be able to sustain. Everything was done because civilization was actually controlled by lies, backed by violence, maximizing the short-term advantages for a few, regardless of the longer term consequences. There was never anything which could actually stop the most dishonest and violent people from dominating what direction civilization took to develop in. Furthermore, almost everyone else was complicit in that, while the few who protested could never effectively resist the ruling classes who were the best at promoting their force backed frauds controlling civilization.
Given that overall context, how are the ruling classes, who have been systematically selected to be the most psychopathic and sociopathic people, planning to deal with the problem that exponential growth is going to hit a wall, and then bounce off a cliff, and that is going to approach us, and then finally happen, at an exponentially accelerating rate ???
The answers are OBVIOUS, deliberately provoke much more serious genocidal wars, along with domestically democidal martial law. It is all too easy to keep on pushing and pushing, in order to start a fight. Anyone who superficially thinks that there is unintended blowback, or mistaken abuses of power, does not operate in the overall frame of reference regarding what is being deliberately done. The plan is to keep making things worse and worse, until there manifest apparently justifiable reasons to start using lots of weapons of mass destruction, as well as impose drastic martial law, knowing the reactions to that will simply enable even more of that to then be done.
The ruling classes were selected by history to become the most criminally insane people possible. They were not good at anything, but being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. They have no other plans but to do way more of that. The current runaway exponential growth of the total human population and total amount of human activities are impossible to continue forever, and the limits to doing that will come on hard and fast, since we approach those limits at an exponentially accelerating rate. The "solutions" that the global ruling classes are preparing for those problems are to kill off the majority of the world's population.
Each little episode, like this news story reviews, is merely another small step in that direction, of deliberately making things get so bad, that finally weapons of mass destruction will be used on a large scale, which will simultaneously drive democidal martial law. Furthermore, there continue to be no other theoretical solutions than some alternative systems of death controls, because, in theory there is nothing else that can stop the impossible to sustain runaway exponential growth but some system of death controls. Since the vast majority of people do not understand that, and could not agree to any way to voluntarily cooperate to achieve that, we are defaulting to that being done by the ruling classes, in psychopathic and sociopathic ways which are utterly irrational and insane, but which, nevertheless, appear as the only practically possible ways for things to actually happen.
The deeper purpose of the "war on terrorism" is to create enough blowback to be able to justify much more genocidal wars, and democidal martial law. These things are not backfiring by accident. They are designed to backfire more and more badly. The scale of what is being planned is driving things to get so bad that hundreds of millions, if not billions of people can be murdered. Places like Pakistan are probably slated to have at least 90% of the people living there be murdered. While every kind of soft kill technology is also being applied around the world, there is nothing else that can kill in big enough numbers than massively genocidal wars, using weapons of mass destruction, which will then also provide ample justifications for democidal martial law.
Unless there was some prodigious series of miracles, that enabled enough people to collectively agree upon better death control systems, in order to cope with the end of the long history of runaway exponential growth (which can NOT continue forever, and whose limits approach us at an exponentially accelerating rate) then the only other alternative to running out of oil, and running out of water, and so on and so forth, throughout the lists of every other natural resource, whose supply has been high-graded to hell, then the ONLY "solutions" which we must default to are mass murders on an unprecedented scale, which will make all previous wars look like nothing in comparison. Those are the conditions which are being deliberately driven to happen, by the series of false flag attack terrorist events, and the resulting runaway blowback of creating even more terrorism in response.
The drone assassinations being directed by the government of the USA are obviously out of the control of the majority of the American people. The government of the USA was long ago captured by the globalized ruling classes, which are who they are because they were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. They have no other qualifications to be dominating the world than that. They did not need any other qualification, since they can suppress any other real opposition by using those means, in each short-term increment. Therefore, the assassinations by drones being done by the government of the USA, are being done by a globalized ruling class, that is more insane than can be comprehended, but which matches the level of collective insanity and stupidity of those being ruled over.
Together, they have all rushed into exponential growth of the total human population, and total level of human activities, in ways which were based on turning all the best natural resources into garbage and pollution, as fast as possible, with nothing by Huge Lies about doing that. It appears too late now to do anything different. The exponential growth has apparently ALREADY significantly overshot. We are going to hit the wall of real limits, and then bounce off a cliff from hitting that, at an every accelerating rate of collective social insanity.
That "America" is doing these demented drone assassinations appears to me to be deliberately designed to backfire as badly as possible, because the real long term goal of doing that is to eventually make it possible to have a genocidal world war that kills hundreds of millions, if not billions of people. As this articled above correctly worries about, all of these kinds of insane things being manifested by the blatant war crimes in the form of assassination by drones are practically guaranteed to finally end up being done in North America also, when things get bad enough that there is democidal martial law imposed there. Since the ruling classes are still the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, and since the deeper real problems are automatically growing worse, faster every day, there are no apparent solutions to these situations that I am aware of being practically possible ...
i'm gonna go back and read it. i swear. i always do. but brother- you gotta get some swag and chill. that radical stuff is gettin' to your positivity. i know- it's rough. but we gotta go back in the way back machine to an america that is all william james/henry george/twainishly teslic and be the beacon. i mean, i don't really feel you worrying about it ... but dude- if ya gotta smoke, be happy!
Ya know what? What is obvious to you, ain't to me. Psycobabble is good for one paragraph only; unless it's the bible or book of mormon.
Well, yofish, it was not obvious to me until after I spent several thousand hours over several years to try to understand more of the truth about what most probably actually happened on 9/11/2001, and then attempted to figure out what that meant. The more I learned, the worse it got! My conclusions above represent a distillation of thousands of hours of research and thinking about these things.
I can think of no good practical solutions. After I have learned what I have taken the time to learn, I am left with nothing but the most abstract philosophical consolations, and irrational hopes in some series of political miracles, which I suppose does seem like religious psychobabble.
+ Hundreds on your posts.
Looking at this from a Spiritual perspective (my own opinion), Man is faulty with Character Defects (he sins).
Given hundreds of years, the Evil dudes build up vast material power, which they use to dominate others.
My own answer is to try and live by Faith, which is very difficult, as I am prone to skulduggery myself.
Refuse as much as possible to live by materialism, and do not participate in the material society surrounding you.
Tragically your assessment is "right on the money"
Like it or not after 9/11 was initiated this is the standard bearer for the war machine who's purpose and intent was deliberate. Killing more people is the only profitable industry that is "Made in America". This is the business model with 'no end to the means' much like our currency debasement.
All I can say to the people in uniform is that you have a choice. Either the road less traveled or you continue doing the same at your own peril. The choice is yours as you are ultimately holding all the cards both for your own destiny, the U.S. and the rest of the World.
If you continue to choose the "status quo" and think there is victory attached to this, I hope your own death and destruction is an agonizing one as it will be well deserved for what you've done, and so it will be unfortunately for the rest of this Nation that is indifferent to what you do.
And NPR was just trumpeting on the Friday night program how Obama has "cutback significantly" on drones strikes, as if he was trying to change the agenda. M'kay.
It's pure shit, hot and wet.
It's never what they say....it's exactly opposite every damn time.
When that punk Jay Carney or whoever comes on the Telescreen after the 15 minutes mandatory morning calisthenics to explain the workings and wonders of the POTUS, I mute it and pull up The Howdy Doody show on my iPad. It helps somewhat. They'll disappear me soon, no doubt.
Shit! I missed this morning's 2-minutes hate.
At least no mustard gas or DU in the drone. No little virus tucked away in the smeared pig blood. A terror tool and cheaper than an F-16.
I wonder if Val Jarrett would be interested in that top position? Obongo, again, knew nothing... seems like a coup has already occurred... to keep him informed, perhaps a microphone should be placed on or near reggie Love's bunghole?
other than NK... Pakistan is only better by a pinch? afghanistan is not the problem-- nobody will ever conquer it, it conquers you, but it minds itself? we introduced the mujahideen and al-qaeda into afghanistan. the ussr was the cold-war target for reagan 'the evil empire' at any cost! the taliban in afghanistan will be there until the world comes to an end... it's that simple.
pakistan is the snake in the grass, period. they're a pathetic nation of corruption and despotic leaders crushing their people with their military and secret isi! they back the 'FATA' no-man lands protecting al Qaeda training camps and were fore-warning these groups before america could attack (we told the military of our intentions in advanced and in turn their military tipped-off the insurgent groups) thus we said "NO-More Warnings, FUCK-You'!
as far as collateral damage, Mr. (10%) Zardari the former president in 2008 wasn't worried about killing the innocent, as long as he got paid and the 'Top al Qaeda Killed'. it bothered the americans, but it didn't seem to bother the corrupt leadership (note: the al Qaeda would train where civilians were near by as a human-sheild), nice! this country is bankrupt other than the WB having bailed them out fro defaulting, and the chinese and saudi's helping with whatever?!?
pm sharif is no different... the culture is `ranKus' and invitro, poisoned by self-denial and a vociferous bellicose mentality, unlike any other country in the region, period! The pakistan taliban are being trained as terrorist to fight in iraq, syria, kashmir, and iran where their is a shiite gov't! the russians are concerned by their growing numbers in peripheral states along the black and caspian sea!
jmo
thankyou Tyler
Ps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Q_Khan
Luckily, the Talib*n and the Pakis are all talk, little action. Slip them some $$$ and/or opium under the table and they'll walk away.
One nation, under a thug:
Last Year President Obama Reportedly Told His Aides That He's 'Really Good At Killing People'
http://www.seattlepi.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Last-Year-Pr...
My guess is that he is not personally good at killing. He is just psychotic or has been altered by the brain surgery that put that big scar on the right temporal lobe area of his skull and is very good at directing the minions or agreeing with the murder of innocents. What does he feel if anything? Maybe the delusions of a troubled child who pulls the wing off of flies and tortures the family pet... a truly broken soul doing the evil bidding of his master.
But, he has done the entire world a favor, revealing many connections between the elitist powers.
Quick, (re)shower them with phony money.
About the only thing Obama has ever done right is to keep on droning his good buddies in Pokiston no matter how many times he promises not to. Of course the Pokiston "government" doesn't really give a hoot what goes on in the tribal areas, they just express outrage and get a little baksheesh for it and everybody wins. I'd like it better if we used MUCH bigger warheads than those puny little drone rockets carry, none of this "damaged but recognizable" just pink mist, y'know, that way they can pretend he ascended directly to heaven.
I don't like this droning business especially if it will be used for domestic surveillance but if the Pakistanis would make more effort to wipe out the Taliban then there would be no need to drone them. But the Pakistanis are not interested in eliminating the Taliban because they are useful -albeit quite violent- idiots. So quit the drama.
No problem.
Paki " government " can go Eff themselves.
I'd prefer a drone carrying a 500lb frozen pig bomb, maybe compressed into an aerodynamic shape, fitted with the usual optic guided fin kit and relying on kenitic pork energy and pig bone shrapnel. But, a regular Hellfire is ...OK.
( actually I'd like to reacivate from Arizona 500 B-29s and methodically bomb , with Made In China 1, 000lbs bombs every inch of ..well... Pakistan actually. ) This would of course lead to the collapse of the World's 7/11's, Circle K's, QuickStops, and some Taxi fleets, but I'd accept that.
War will always be with us. Killing curry breathed, babble spouting dirt dwellers won't always be available. Think of the kids. Goat kids. Only you can prevent goat rapeing. And, 7/11's.
There's about 2 times more civilians, women and children included, inside the US; cheaper too...
Yeeepp keep hitting the hornet's nest. Nothing works better to achieve peace.
Sounds like the motto of the MIC.
... and in the end a frightened and furious world appealed to global powers China and Russia to join in the necessary process of eliminated the cancer on the world that America had become. They did not stop to think that it was only America's political leaders and the globalist banking powers behind them, not the American people (who were as much victims as the rest of the world) who were to blame ... and in the fury of what seemed like just a few moments they sent a rain of nuclear weapons upon the power centers that defined America and its closest allies and the destruction of the human populated world began in earnest.
Satan managed a knowing smirk at the completeness of his treachery.
Never leave the body "damaged but recognizable" when assassinating enemy leaders.
Mysteriously bury the body at sea like with Bin Laden... or at least hack off frontal entry wounds like they did with Kennedy.
Barry is slipping in the polls in the US.
Poll booster strategy - whack a Taliban - much like whack-a-mole except you only have to whack it once.
On the contrary, Pakistan is a veritable mole field of Talibs. It's like swatting flies in the outback. The effort just wears you out.
"The progress on peace talks, the official said, encouraged the TTP commanders not to stay underground, which helped in tracking them down through surveillance. “The peace talks hype well served as a tactical move for CIA. The TTP commanders believed they had a respite from drones, for the time being, at least. This encouraged them to move around (in NWA), which brought them under the intel radar.”
Asked if the Pakistan’s intelligence agencies had tipped off about Hakimullah’s presence in Dande Darpa Khel (NWA) where he was killed, the official said, “They (US) have a great deal of self-reliant surveillance system that acts as back up to the surgical strikes, in addition to their partial dependency on our intel coordinates. Every surgical strike does not necessarily have to be the product of mutual intel coordination, although, we are often in the loop,” the official said while hinting that the last two attacks did not come ‘out of blue.’
A former general recalls the recent statements from Pakistan’s Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to establish that the military establishment was not ‘very happy’ with the flexibility the political leadership was showing to make peace with the militants amid no let up in militant violence. “This could be really a factor in explaining Hakimullah’s killing just ahead of peace talks,” the general, who also desired to stay anonymous, stated."
(the Nation).
This is good for GDP and stocks right?
sorry but I laugh at this whole kabuki, look if these camel and goat herders were not led by the NWO elite intellegence agents then..long ago many western pols would have been killed and DC would have been turned into ash..the whole terrorist agenda of attack & killing just ave western serfs shows who is leading them. or is my logic 180 degrees off, no I think the facts fit..a terrorist who kills powerless people is directed by the worlds leadership, otherwise the targets would be the powerful among us.
Oh look more foreigners that want to kill Americans in tic for tac revenage.
Those drone skrikes are a real heart and minds vote winner.
all we are saying, is give war a chance.
If Pakistan wants it to stop, all they have to do is send the following diplomatic communique.
"Dear USA. Please stop droning in our country. We really mean it this time. Please reference the range of our nuclear missles in relation to your allies residing west of our position. Thank you. Pakistan"
I don't mind drones killing terrorists overseas because it negates the need for troops. If the civilians don't want to die they need to leave the area when they know people that are being hunted are around.
Don't need the drones, don't need the troops.
"If the civilians don't want to die they need to leave the area when they know people are being hunted are around."....
How would they know? Do taliban members go around with name tags? What about weddings, funerals, markets, etc....?
(if your comment was sarcasm...badly done indeed.)
Mehsud, OBL, I don't feel sorry for, not one bit. Their stunt doubles, on the otherhand....
Sooner or later AQ is going to realize that instead of going after big ticket US targets ( I'm guessing many Americans wouldn't really miss New York City or LA that much) they would get a lot more psychic bang for their buck in 2nd tier US cities. Of course I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from taking a shot at DC, especially when Congress is in session, but beyond that the US police state has pretty much focused on protecting the crown jewels ( in true "Great job Brownie" fashion) and basically ignored the bulk of the communities where real people live in America. There are a lot of state capitols and smaller cities between the coasts that if hit IMO would damage the American psyche far more than even the most effective attack on NYC or LA. And since a lot of these cities are as ethnically diverse as NYC or LA a well-trained crew of swarthy attackers could probably pass as un-noticed as in the big cities, and these communities' "anti-terrorist" preparations are paper-thin.
All you have to do is to look at the incompetent, Keystone Kops responses to most of the current school and mall shootings by lone gunmen to imagine what would happen if a well-trained team of terrorists targeted a group of Mid-Western malls or schools simultaneously.
Not that I would want to see that happen of course - just a suggestion to our oh-so-competent leaders. You may want to get your heads out of your collective asses and realize that your cowardly drone war is inviting the very thing it is - supposedly - intended to prevent. In much of the ME there is a proverb that goes "50 generations is not too long to wait to avenge a grievous wrong." And counting.
I almost agreed with you until you said, realize that your cowardly drone war is inviting the very thing it is - supposedly - intended to prevent.
NOTHING we can do will provoke them. They are already provoked by the Koran, into hating all infidels. It is their lifes work to kill infidels. It is the drones work to shorten their life.
Not on my dime, pal.
"Drone diplomacy" is what happens when Lockheed-Martin greases the skids in Congress via it's well paid, and well paying, lube lobbyists.
They need to work the bugs out overseas, in preparation for bringing them to america.
kind of surprised DC continues to go after the leadership, very poor human resources management really.
after all they could really use these guys in Syria right? the SAA is kicking the shit out of the rebels at will these days and to make it even better they seem to be spending most of there time and energy fighting each other.
or perhaps this Mehsud guy refused the CIA issued draft notice to relocate to Aleppo.
"this isn't the US postal service son, you don't just quit us"
thing is the last time the Pakistani govt shut down the Kyber pass it was the Taliban who suffered the most cause they couldn't collect on the millions in protection money Washington pays out to them every year via the trucking companies who haul the goods to Afghanistan, ironically cutting off what is probably, if not their largest, certainly their most reliable revenue stream. full faith and credit of the United States and all that.
funny old world isn't it?
still, the ISI and the military continue to allow the CIA free reign over Pak airspace even though they could put a stop to this if they really wanted to. so if this has a negative effect on future negotiations with AL- CIAda I guess they only have themselves to blame.
and don't worry about WW3, Syria was just a temporary set back, our TOTUS and his handlers are hard at work to assure that every American will soon have a job working in the MIC and the race in on to see what will get printed more in 2014 FRN's or draft notices...
Where were the drones when our people were getting slaughtered in Benghazi? Off topic, but just asking...
Quite relevant sir. No legitimate questions should ever go un-asked.
pakistan is happy to take the billions of american hush money, but they have to put on a show of protest for their sheeple. They support the terrorists, obama drones them, rinse, repeat,
How to make friends and influence people...
+100
the indonesian is doing as he is ordered by the bush crime syndicate and rockefeller nazis
Are you aware Obama is into his second term?
the situation in south asia just got very interesting. the usa has lost the war. india will become a member of the shanghai cooperation organization according to russia. along with various other regional alliances more than half the world's population, economy and territory are now officially opposed to the usa.
pakistan is where it gets a little muddled. what is the end game in pakistan(and afghanistan, for that matter)?
all of you who think this is about fundamental islam are way off base. all they are are useful tools of both sides. if anything, they are the only ones more duped than the american public but at least they get paid to be duped even if they end up in the company of allah.
The only thing Pakistan is furious about is the time since the last US aid arrived. Make no mistake, we're paying them for the right to drone bomb who we beleive to be terrorists. The Paki government is supportive of these drone bombings and they enjoy the financial benefits but they will always later claim the didn't authortize it simply for domestic consumption.
That raghead was screwing with Pakistan worse than he was the US in Afghanistan. Pakistan is just playing the local population. Just like Karzi saying he wants the US out of Afghanistan. If the US goes either Karzi goes or he's a dead man.
I've spent time in China, Pakistan and India, plus a few more Asian countries...of all of these, Pakistan was the most civilized, and enjoyable. Their people were friendly and well-mannered, a remnant of the British presence, I thought. What a shame to make them into enemies by our Manchurian Presidents' arrogance.