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Edward Snowden Releases "A Manifesto For The Truth"
While Edward Snowden may be reviled at the top echelons of Western developed nations and is wanted in his native US on espionage charges for peeling back the curtain on how the gargantuan government machine truly works when it is not only engaged in chronic spying on anyone abroad, but worse, on its own people, the reality is that his whistleblowing revelations have done more to shift the narrative to the topic of dwindling individual liberties abused pervasively in the US and elsewhere, than anything else in recent years. And alongside that, have led to the first reform momentum of a system that is deeply broken. Which also happens to be the topic of a five-paragraph opinion piece he released today in German weekly Der Spiegel titled "A Manifesto For The Truth" in which he writes that his revelations have been useful and society will benefit from them and that he was therefore justified in revealing the methods and targets of the US secret service.
In the Op-Ed we read that "Instead of causing damage, the usefulness of the new public knowledge for society is now clear because reforms to politics, supervision and laws are being suggested."
RT adds: "Spying as a global problem requires global solutions, he said, stressing that "criminal surveillance programs" by secret services threaten open societies, individual privacy and freedom of opinion.
"Citizens have to fight against the suppression of information about affairs of essential importance for the public,” Snowden said in his five-paragraph manifesto. Hence, “those who speak the truth are not committing a crime."
Even with the existence of mass surveillance, spying should not define politics, Snowden said.
"We have a moral duty to ensure that our laws and values limit surveillance programs and protect human rights," he wrote.
The type of persecution campaigns that governments started after being exposed, and threats of prosecution against journalists, who blew the whistle, were “a mistake” and did not “serve the public interest,” Snowden concluded.
But "at that time the public was not in a position to judge the usefulness of these revelations. People trusted that their governments would make the right decisions," he said.
Needless to say, all of the above points are spot on, which is why one hopes that Snowden does not intend on returning to the US to defend himself with only truth and justice to lean on, because the US Judicial system is just as broken, if not more, as every other aspect of a tentacular government, intent on growing to even more epic proportions and silencing anyone and everyone who stands in its way.
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STAY SAFE EDWARD. AND DO NOT COME BACK TO USA. AT LEAST NOT RIGHT NOW.
true dat. the last dude to write a manifesto sits in a Colorado supermax.
Tyler, can I request a copy/paste of the Manifesto here? Der Spiegel wants to store shit on my computer in order to read the article, and I says "fuck off."
Very interested to read this manifesto for the truth.
p.s. Snowden's passport has CIIIA on it twice lol (I know, I'm just using uralic characters for fun).
Maybe Snowden read this old worn out parchment thingy written by a rich old white guy. I hear it's on display in a museum somewhere. Maybe this is what poisoned his mind.
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
I've read the current U.S. president is an authority on the subsequent constitution document, thingy...he will surely translate it, and advise us, with great authority!/sarc
You KNOW you live in a tyranny when -
Telling the truth is an act of -
Rebellion, in that tryanical eye.
Is typo in immigration paper, should be "JOCEF", not "DJOZEF".
Nyet, comrade. Is no "jay" letter in Mother Russia, unless is take too much Krokodil.
Is not "J", but ZH is not type Cyrillic, so close of phonetic approximation is "J", or "ZH", but not "DJ", then "C", not "Z". If look at photo ID, is misspell in Roman letter of Russian tongue. So, Edward is middle name "Joseph" or "Josef", not "Dzhozef", but in Russian, is "Jocef" or "zhocef".
... but what is Boris know?!
Off topic, but two days ago I found a Russian Presidential Flag alongside the road while on my walk. Small size, like for a car.
http://www.highlandarmoury.com/images/russian_presidential_5.jpg
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government."
Same as it ever was. It is time now for the truth to go main stream... we do not live in a "two party" republic. There is no proletariat against the bourgeois. These are games the ruling class elitist ass-hats play out for your entertainment and distraction. There is now as there was then only one struggle--the people versus the state. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" The founding fathers attempted to set up a form of government that could perform its needed function but still protect the people from it's abuse of power.
That country is now gone.
Every american is part of the CIIIA...
I thought it meant that he has three times the intelligence ....
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No really!
ooops double post
@ Skateboarder
A Manifesto for the Truth
By Edward Snowden
http://original.antiwar.com/Edward-Snowden/2013/11/03/a-manifesto-for-th...
Relax. The 1st ammendment still allows you to know read news from abroad not yet censored on threat of prosecution. The second ammendment guarantees your government's right to maintain a million beaurotocrat army of armed irs agents to enforce your compliance. And the tenth ammendment guarantees all rights not explicitly assigned to the government for the purpose of vote buying are still reserved by the government.
We're good.
Real HEROs are not welcomed in the U.S.! Only those that the media creates for us. Snowden is the HERO of the century and should be given Obama's Nobel Peace Prize! He should be considered the most admired man in these generations and all people should aspire to be as him! Morals, Truth and Standing Up for what is right and you believe in!
Right you are! He is no Jessica Lynch. Hero of the Iraq occupation!
The heros Robin Hood all touch children.
But you heard what he was meant to say via Spiegel ?
You are a blind fool. Execute the traitor.
Edward Snowden is the world's new hero whether you like it or not.
http://www.salon.com/2009/04/20/harman/
Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.
Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.
In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.
Harman hung up after saying, “This conversation doesn’t exist.”
ah. thanks for that. this story has been floating around in the back of my head for years...to revisit it again in post-snowden america is illuminating to say the least.
1st- illeagal snooping, 2nd- illeagal leaking 3rd- blackmail and pardons to help leagalize illeagal snoopin.4th- illeagal snooping to prosicute any revelations of said illeagal snooping. oh what a tangled cluster fuck
Any chance for a "regime change" in the US of A?
Why would anyone want to change the most transparent regime know to mankind?
Over.
Who would ever foresee a Soviet era KGB agent would end up protecting a citizen of the United States from his own tyrannical government.
...and we would read about it in a German magazine?
Who could ever foresee that a Soviet era KGB agent would prevent the US from going into another war in Syria, sparing the lives of both Syrians and Americans?
Snowden is clearly experiencing his "ah, fuck it" moment.
Nixon went to Communist China in 1972 to open the door for Reagan's deconstruction of US work force. Truth is what remains, like reality, when you stop believing.
It also served the purpose of further isolating China and the USSR from each other. Two birds with one stone.
...followed by NAFTA. This series of events led ultimately to the largest wage suppression campaign seen in the US other than prior to the Great Depression. Then some wonder why our economy is shuddering.
And wonder why the tiny country of Germany is only slightly behind the vastly larger US in exports, a country that protected its workforce and concentrated on the right items to manufacture for export, items that Chinese peasants just in from the fields can't duplicate.
Germany practices mercantilism which has greatly given their workers an advantage in terms of wages, lowered cost of living, health care [they have a two tiered system], and the focusing of training their labor force to manufacture goods that cannot be duplicated. Their economic practices are streamlined into basic life, including their educational system.
German workers have not really seen raises for more than a decade now. Corporations have been doing well, not the average people.
Mercantilism ? Mercantilism is forcing your inferior products upon your colonies in "free trade".
Germany had the best product around and the world keeps buying at any price. Mercantilism who ?
Mercantilism is being forced to buy GMO food, proprietary
unworkable software and Sodas with 300% sugar with
a 500% offshore licensing fee.
Germany is able to practice mercantilism, which is not the flogging off of cheap goods, because its trading and accounting is so tightly woven with countries who are not producing goods and services that are highly tradeable such as Portugal, Italy, and Spain. Germany is truly the back on which the EU wobbles particularly when it comes to trade.
So where the heck do you see mercantilism ? Catchy word
and you are too drunk to defend your case with arguments ?
You shall be forgiven...
mercantilism = export oriented economy, in Germany's case all high value added in the top tech echelon sectors, based on a flexible social model and an integrated big company-small company structure. Not saying Merkel's Germany is paradise; its part of Pax Americana world, as the NSA matrix has shown and EU financial shenanigans have clearly demonstrated.
Its got to be a way to the future as Germany has no energy independence. In world of Oligarchy its every man for himself; alas.
Forza renewables. We are in tipping times where it is essential to see the current hype and tripe from the longer term perspective of solving the energy conundrum; key to present and to future.
Energiewende (German for Energy transition) is the transition by Germany to a sustainable economy by means of renewable energy,energy efficiency and sustainable development. The final goal is the abolition of coal and other non-renewable energy sources.[1]
Renewable energy encompasses wind, biomass (such as landfill gas and sewage gas), hydropower, solar power (thermal and photovoltaic), geothermal, and ocean power. These renewable sources are to serve as an alternative to fossil fuels (oil, coal, natural gas) and nuclear fuel (uranium).
Piecemeal measures often have only limited potential, so a timely implementation for this transition requires multiple approaches in parallel.Energy conservation and improvements in energy efficiency thus play a major role. An example of an effective energy conservation measure is improved insulation for buildings; an example of improved energy efficiency is cogeneration of heat and power. Smart electric meters can schedule energy consumption for times when electricity is available inexpensively.
An example of a comprehensive approach is DESERTEC. This concept looks at dramatically expanding the production of electricity from adjustable solar thermal power plants in southern Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Linking the electricity transmission networks of these regions would supplement the variable renewable energy available locally with surpluses and adjustable renewable energy sources from other regions. [wiki]
Ross Perot... The giant sucking sound.
To those of you in the audience who are business people, pretty simple: If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, hire young -- let's assume you've been in business for a long time and you've got a mature work force -- pay a dollar an hour for your labor, have no health care -- that's the most expensive single element in making a car -- have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/16/us/the-1992-campaign-transcript-of-2d-...
Crazy dude, but a crazy dude can be right time to time.
NAFTA worked just fine when it was just US and Canada. Almost identical cultures, same language, and only 10-20% difference in salaries, plus Canada has only 10% of the US population. Great move for both countries.
But, alas, Canada was only a Beta site for the 'offshore' concept, that made it easy to make the case for including Mexico, and create other trade agreements. The rest you know.
What most don't know however, is that these 'Agreements' also had an automatic mechanism to create demand for the Fed's fiat confetti, known as the USD. When these countries started to buy USD (i.e., US DEBT!), the stage was set for MBDs and other Toxic Assets, QE, etc.
Most people who don't know this, do not fully realize the extent to which US Trade Agreements are Trojan Horses (USD, Wall St, CIA, NSA, DOD, IRS).
Because "free" trade only truly exists between nations at like stages of development. Anything else is purely labor arbitrage. This has been well known for decades and was purely to gut the middle class of the USA and turn them into endentured servitude. Worked brilliantly for the 1%'ers, fucked the rest of america straight up the poop chute
Yeah, and they laughed at Ross Perot while boosting Gore on their shoulders, because he was, what, more handsome.
Clinton and Gore were the tipping point for the fall of America.
Lying (spinning, they called it), selling access and secrets to Chinese, 'Character Doesn't Matter"....all came from
that era. The Boomers took the wheel and drove us off the cliff.
And now they want a Clinton sequel??
Not quite. Nixon must have been a sex addict because...
"He didn't do a thing without Kissinger."
"Truth is what remains, like reality, when you stop believing."
Good one.
We live in a cartoon. A live Sim(ulation)psons. The Truman Show meets Dali. A real world of demons, magic and deceit. Much deceit.
This is all part of the cartoon. Anything is possible.
No one on the planet is more qualified than Edward Snowden to offer truth and advice on spying.
And his key point is correct: it is worldwide. But he could have gone further to confirm that its primary leverage is coming from the U.S. Empire. Truthfully, the operators of this U.S.-based spy network have their heritage in the Soviet system; for it was international bankers such as Jacob Schiff of the banking house Kuhn, Loeb & Co. who provided the clandestine support for Lenin and his revolution. And it is these same families, the owners of the NY Federal Reserve Bank, who have America in a choke hold and, make no mistake, the product of international NSA surveillance – the information-- is at their fingertips whenever they need it.
By the way, to include political figures from Nixon to Reagan to Obama in these motivations is to greatly misunderstand who the real puppet masters are and always have been, especially since 1913.
Disculp the politician and blame the banker; thats like saying cut off the left hand but protect the right.
They are ORGanically part of the system.
How can an american who has read his history pretend these guys, especially Reagan and Nixon, got to power without corporate support and money; thus with a prewritten agenda all cast in stone by Mr moneybags?
Not just bankers but the Industrialists as well; from big oil, big autos and big steel at the turn of the last century.
Big Corporate America which appointed its reps to Congress; except after the 1929 crash when the opposite side got their foot in for most of the time upto 1964...
Now gone global.
WHo could forsee that we would be getting the news from RT and Al-Jazeera ???
According to Ria Novosti, Snowden will be meeting with Swiss officials about Snowden's covert work in Switzerland.
He met with German officials this week to discuss the NSA spying directly on Merkel. There was some discussion of how to have Snowden deliver his testimony live in a German court but how could they guarentee his safe passage to and from Germany? I hope he decides to stay put.
Exactly. The U.S. is waiting like a wolf to pounce down on Snowden to make an example of him, to instill fear in any other potential insider who might dare to blow the whistle on the abuse by this predator government. According to the AP:
“Snowden's father, Lon Snowden, who recently visited his son in Russia and continues to communicate with him, told The Associated Press on Friday that Snowden will not travel to Germany to talk to authorities as long as the U.S. charges remain in place.
"’If they want to understand my son's position about Germany, read his letter. It's pretty clear. He is not going to Germany to testify as long as he is indicted by the United States and their position is what it is,’ the elder Snowden said, adding that his son would prefer to testify before Congress anyway.
"’My son would love to come back to the United States but I'm not sure it will be safe for him, even if all charges are dropped,’ Lon Snowden said. ‘My advice would be to stay in Russia and move on with his life, and that's what I believe he will do.’"
The AP wrote from Berlin on November 1, 2013, that Snowden’s appeal for U.S. clemency has been denied.
“The U.S. refused to show any leniency to fugitive leaker Edward Snowden on Friday,” the AP reported... “In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki would not respond directly to Snowden's appeal, but said the U.S. position ‘has not changed.’
"’Despite recent reports or recent pronouncements from Mr. Snowden, as we've stated many times before, he's accused of leaking classified information, faces felony charges here in the United States and we believe he should be returned as soon as possible, where he will be accorded full due process and protections applicable under U.S. law," Psaki said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57610522/snowden-seeks-the-worlds-help-against-u.s-charges/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsTheEarlyShowContributors+(CBS+News%3A+The+Early+Show%3A+Contributors)
He was told by the Kremlin thay if he does leave his asylum is revoked. He's not going anywhere.
Manifesto? Ghost written by the Russians for him.
This narcissistic attention whore is a useful idiot for the Russians who becomes less useful as time passes. He will be used up an discarded soon.
Why because he is trying to make the world a better place, showed you that everything you know is a lie. You can make a choice, either drown in deceit, or die in the truth.
Knobby apparently thinks shoving his tongue up Uncle Sam's ass will gain him entrance into the big club.
Feeding government and aipac trolls is unnecessary. They are already well fed for their work
Hey I didn't know David Gregory read Zerohedge
Was that your mission today? Go on ZH and lead your opinion with a string of insults against Snowden? Or did you dream up that bullshit smear all on your own?
My mission is to call them as I see them. And Snowden is a Russian stooge.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/11/01/edward_snowden_is_supervised_by_russian_intelligence.html
Read the manefesto. It sounds very stilted and unnatural. Probably written in Russian and then translated. Communists LOVE the word manefesto.
Snowden is no hero.
Really? You're quoting Slate? LMAO!! If we want propaganda we will surely ask you for it.
I read the manifesto. Did he use too big of words for you?
"You're quoting Slate? LMAO!!"
Worse, far worse. You'll note that Slate article is credited as originally being from Business Insider, one of the worst POS sites. I've obliterated the validity of many articles there in comments with just a little Google digging, back when I bothered to go there, that is.
Blodget is a stooge who bought in with HUFFPO(S), and pumps drivel to support a Obama agenda.
Good catch Winston. Soros has been very busy indeed.
Ahh communists conspiracy !!
they are everywhere, be careful !
in fact they do control NSA, KGB have built it, but schhhhht it's a secret
That's funny, everyone I know at the FSB demonstrates more sophisticated use of the English language than you do.
0b1 -- Clear the NSA spunk off of your eyeglasses and you might see things more clearly.
@ ob1knob,
Perhaps you will feel more comfortable over at BusinessInsider.com. They have been on a hate Snowden campaign since Day 1. Day 1 was when Snowden made the decision to put the U.S. Constitution, and our right to know what our government was up to, ahead of his own career and comfort.
And how is that being a "Russian stooge"? The Russian gov't, for its own reasons, gave him asylum first. If the first country to give Snowden asylum had been Germany or Sweden, would he then be a German or Swedish stooge?
Boot-licking is not a usual trait of a ZH poster.
Funny isn't Sunday your busiest day David Gregory? Don't you have to prep for Meet the Press?
ob1knob
a non useful idiot
You must think Oliver North is hero and torture along with imprisonment of American citizens without trial in a civilian court is OK then, right!?
And you have to admit the Snowden has been very successful in making the world aware of our out of control spying and is helping change that.
So just how useless is he really? Not nearly as much as you.
ob1knob is quoting a great non-goverment sponsored website. Slate!!
"Reverse Blockade: emphatically insisting upon something which is the opposite of the truth blocks the average person's mind from perceiving the truth. In accordance with the dictates of healthy common sense, he starts searching for meaning in the "golden mean" between truth and its opposite, winding up with some satisfactory counterfeit. People who think like this do not realize that this effect is precisely the intent of the person who subjects them to this method. "
Page 104, Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski
Snowden: Hero
Barry Hussein Soetoro O'Bathhouse Bankster Buttboy: Zero
Who would you rather read, and who would you trust more, Snowden or Obama? i'm betting on Snowden in this informal poll.
Oh boy, did you hit the nail on the head with that mate.
Snowden gets my vote. I wouldn't trust Obama as far as I can spit.
"Snowden gets my vote. I wouldn't trust Obama as far as I can spit... into a gale."
I would agree, he better never step foot back here in the USA. Our justice system isn't so just when they want to hang you. I'd rather see Obama hanging from a rope then Snowden. JMOP
Whenever referring to the US "justice system," please put it in quotes. The large number of financial sector perps wealthy, free and, at most, minimally fined justify it.
The "justice system in the US" can be encapsulated in one photograph - that of a former senator and huge supporter of Obama lounging on a beach with a 20-something after stealing a billion USD.
FSA....obamaphones to barrygas.....
Government Opening Free Gas Stationsin Poor NeighborhoodsThe Daily Currant, by StaffOriginal ArticlePosted By:OleGator, 11/3/2013 10:44:41 AMAs the battle over Obamacare rages in Washington, the White House is quietly using a little known provision of the law to roll out a nationwide network of free gas stations for minorities and the poor. According to a report in The Detroit News this morning, the administration is using its authority under the Affordable Care Act to "improve transportation routes to hospitals" to dispense gasoline free of cost in disadvantaged neighborhoods.Comments:Another freebee for Obama´s plantation dwellers. $2 Billion in taxpayer $$ for FREE GAS in ghetto ´hoods. What´s next, free tires, free oil changes, how about free taxi service?? Outrageous!
"Government Opening Free Gas Stations"
False: not true. (albeit believable given the current state of affairs)
Well the bright side for Edward are all those Russian beauties that are probably chasing him at this moment.
Yeah, but once they find your bank account and routing number you will die in an accident.
Here are traditional ladies who love Americans. Be careful there are a few black widows but they are easy to spot and not nearly as sophisticated.
I am 51 years old and have a 25 year old hot Dominican girlfriend living with me. She wants it all the time. Lol
Average income in her country is 250 per month. She is grateful for the little things in life.
dominicancupid.com
Pimp your whores elsewhere, please.
I was getting worried after the last Tyler post on charts. It looked like this might be turning into a financial blog
Finance is never separated from politics.
Sadly, the rest of the world is more upset about the nsa than your average American idiot. So expect any reforms that might result from Snowdons revelations to impact them and not us.
Watch the ebb and flow of attention and discussion. Here we have the worst rollout of gov' sponsored health care in the history of mankind and the NSA vanishes from the American landscape. I tried telling people on another board that although America is either ignoring the NSA or too busy defending Obama, this is not the case for the rest of the world. The NSA spying is such a hot topic in the rest of the world that it has impacted trade deals with the US and has foreign gov'ts refusing to negotiate with the US. This is not just in the EU and China, this is also true for Latin and South America.
Whatever..I am trying to follow his vapor trails to Russia and get me some Winter Olympic time. Sounds like a friggin blast and get out of Rothchild media/slave zone for awhile.
i've been curious how the Rothchilies are managing with putin. it's fascinating to pnder the machinations between china, putin and the rothchilies. i suppose it may just be another mafia gang war.
Stay away Edward, I and others know there is not a single honest judge in the Second Circuit, nor are the appeals of that malfeasance rectified in the Supreme Court. The same is reported in the other Circuits. Trials are jokes, where the juries are manipulated, deceived and deprived of relevant knowledge by vermin in black robes and politically motivated unethical prosecutors. You, Edward, have struck and seriously wounded the Dragon, unlike the many thousands who have confronted the beast. Do not trust Merkel. Godspeed.
He has to trust Merkel. The putin has clearly stated he has one year. That is all. Godspeed dragon slayer
I assume that he assumed that the revelations would lead to a divorce between the civilized world and the US.
Would that he were right.
snowden would have been derelict and traitorous had he kept his mouth shut as have so many other nazi monsters such as obama, feinstein, schumer, chambliss, and other nazi card carrying whores of hitler and the bush crime syndicate.
Edward Snowden,
Here is massive deception of the people, by omission.
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
PLEASE terminate it!
A shot of Vodka for you Mr. Snowden, salud!
AN ALTERNATIVE HYPOTHESIS
Snowden 'reveals' that the USA spies on its 'allies' and on the leaders of its allies.
Can we agree that those leaders are 100% controlled by the same entities? Conceding that, what then is the point of "The Entity" spying on people who already carry out its dictates? What information could be gained that isn't already freely given to their true employers?
Now, consider that these "leaks" - like most others - are controlled leaks, and that the objective is to test the perimeters of the enemy (you and I) and to test our reactions and to define the extents to which we will permit "The Entity" (via their enforcement divisions) to abuse us.
One of my fundamental questions remains the same, "If a multi-jurisdictional task force of alphabet soup agencies puts your neighbor in a sack and drags him out of his house in full view of you and the rest of the neighborhood, and if they beat the shit out of the bag and toss it in a Humvee...what the fuck are you gonna do about it?" The answer is increasingly apparent: not a fucking thing. Call the cops? Um, the ones kicking the bag?
The enforcement divisions don't actually need to do a fucking thing. They simply need to let it be "known" that they have done things. Then sit back and gage public reaction....which thus far has been either one big fucking yawn or addled oblivion.
Similiarly, the gazillion dollar NSA data center in Utah could be nothing but a bunch of empty buildings. It only matters that you believe that they are occupied and are collecting every iota of your web activities, and your txt mssgs, and your cable tv habits, and every single item in your grocery cart, and where you are every second of the day, and with whom you associate, and with whom they associate, and the same data about all of them. Your behavior has already been curbed, and simply because of what you think they are doing. Ergo...meet Mr Snowden the trial balloon.
Thanks chemy for your insight.
At the very least you have to consider that Snowden is a controlled asset. His bloody name Snowden... Snowed In, ie. trapped... in Russia (known for harsh winters). The name itself sets a negative connotation. Pay attention to last names, they are a signal.
Regardless if he is or isn't, what are some of the underlying messages of the NSA story? All your activities that involve a network are being recorded. That is a sobering reality for A LOT of people. It sends a very clear message. We know what you are doing, and we can use that against you. And that message has been sent worldwide. From the highest level to the lowest. To friend and foe alike.
Information is power, and TBTP that control the USA have a shit ton of information.
We have to start considering how this information was/is/will be used against us.
Thank you for maintaining perspective. Here's an other tidbit that I've found to be of value:
Consider the level of conditioning that we have been subjected to. Someone else is providing that and paying for it, but there's nothing that says you can't take advantage of it too.
Take the overly-simplistic example of your car's turn signal. It triggers a response in other drivers to let you merge into traffic in front of them. Does it work with every driver? Nope. But more often than not it does, and in the context of this website, no one bat's 1.000 (except for JPM ofc), and you often need to bat only 0.501 to kame a tidy profit. Stimulus : Response. Our world is loaded with them, and we often salivate every time the bell is rung.
Awesome! 3 Down arrows. Shoot the messenger who suggests that you can think too far IN the box and that your box - albeit comfy and perhaps government approved - might be a wee bit teensy. Sorry to challenge your paradigms.
Enjoy your poverty. Oops, nevermind, the blue pill changed that back to "your wealth".
I have nothing against Snowden, but the evidence is that he is a CIA stooge telling the sheeple things that the rest of us already knew. Seems that his objective, or at least of his handlers, is to take the Pentagon down a peg or two. (The NSA is the signals intelligence arm of the Pentagon.)
We saw a similar tit for tat in the seventies--NSA revealed to be spying on the American people then out of the blue more evidence the CIA's complicity in the JFK assassination.
Don't get me wrong, they all deserve the guillotine, but there seems to be a higher agenda here--"If they are telling you the truth, look for the bigger lie."
Just my "2-cents" for what it's worth.
In any case the results of his actions have been very positive across a number of fronts.
He looks sort of Russian in his photo I.D.
That may be true, but my main point is that there is "a bigger lie afoot." I think that the "bigger lie" is the diminishment of the Pentagon by the CIA via this Snowden "leak" and the CIA's Manchurian president, Obama.
I.e. Put another way: the CIA is slowly taking over command and control of the Pentagon.
Can't prove any of it, but then there is all of the indiscriminate sacking of generals and colonels (http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-generals-obama-is-purging-the-military/#m...) and Obama's strange background and SSN.
Anybody who's photo is taken by the Russian govt is going to look Russian.
As often as some posters use the phrase "cognitive dissonance", it's appalling that so many of them will down arrow you for merely suggesting an alternative scenario. Oh, it challenges their hope and hero. Boo fucking hoo. Fuck hope. The truth is what remains even when you stop believing in it.
Here's another apparently challenging HYPOTHESIS: the NSA is one of the eBay vendors selling the Snowden Hero t-shirts. I kid, but Geezuz Fecking Crackers, the inability to let go of the first warm and comfy thought that comes into (or is suggested into) your head is, well, fucking pathetic.
And, yes, I do mean hypothesis in the classical sense of the scientific method. Some folks who have a clue actually employ people to present them with contrarian hypotheses and thus counter the 'group think' mentality. And some of you dare to you use the word 'sheople'. Baah baah baah.
if by "the NSA is one of the eBay vendors selling the Snowden Hero t-shirts" you meant greenwalds' new ebay-tribune ... yeah well, maybe. and i like greenwald .... but a gatekeeper's a gatekeeper.
"all of the above points are spot on"
Hey let me ask. Do any of you have mining rigs?
It seems like a fuckshit of wasted money as the currency approaches 23 million it becomes exponentially harder to profit from mining.
$2,250 for a low end BabyJet!? And by the time it breaks even it's obsolete??
https://hashfast.com/shop/baby-jet-third-batch
WTF?
And the FEDs take 1.5% out of circulation with silkroad, in the future, for instance, they take another 40% of the digital currency out of circulation, for whatever reason. Illegal-this, illegal-that, terrorist currency and some such nonsense. Then what?
Isn't it a big fat fail? What am I missing? Early adopters profit and exit, everyone else fails. What?
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And if you understand it, tell me how these new Hash Cores cannot be re-engineered and used to decrypt SHA256.
http://thegenesisblock.com/hashfash-announces-open-sourcing-bitcoin-mini...
Each of HashFast’s ASIC chips contain four dies, with each die containing 96 cores, for a total of 384 cores per chip. The complexity of designing a robust interface protocol revolves around ensuring each of these cores has a constant queue of work to perform, and efficiently reports back when an acceptable value is found.
It's just a casual Sunday afternoon conversation girls, no need to get your down_vote panties in a twist...
Over.
lol+1
if the rig is too expensive to justify the cost, dont buy it.
if feds take some bitcoins out of circulation, it increases the value of the remaining ones - scarcity increases price. it's not a fail at all if you have bitcoins, it's only a fail if the feds took YOUR bitcoins.
Gotta compete bro, it's not a game FFS!
Some miners are spending $20,000 for one mining machine. Right 20-fucking-grand. $5k is nothing for a machine. And as we approach the magical 23 million BTC mark how much will the rigs cost? $500K?
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The goal of Bitcoin miners is to pull in more than what they spend on their rigs - some cost over $20,000 - and the electricity they need to keep the machines running 24 hours a day.
"Bitcoin makes silicon perishable," said Andreas Antonopoulos, a digital currency entrepreneur in San Francisco. "Your mining rig rots away in front of your eyes every day you have it."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-technology-bitcoins-201...
Just trying to understand the ZH angle, beyond advertising and such.
Guys the snowden saga is a good life lesson.
He has one year in russia and possibly no place to go. Does he spend the year enjoying himself or all worried about his future in an american jail? If he ends up in jail will he have a year of great memories or will he have spent the year worrying about the future?
The ancients were right. Carpe fucking Diem
A man was chased by a tiger. Coming to a cliff, he grabbed the root of a vine and hung over the edge. The tiger looked at him from above.
The man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting.
Two mice began to gnaw at the vine.
The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!
He is most probably writing a book that will match sales of The Bible when released, making him the richest man alive.
brrrrrraaaaaazzzeeeeelll!
Snowden Shot by : CIA posing as LGBT activist.
Snowden Stabbed by: CIA posing as adorable polar bear fuzzy mascot.
Vote now! When the Russian olympics comes I'd be on my toes, if I were Snowden. JMHO
My hope is that that put Edward in a 'Pope Mobile' and have him circle the stadium at the opening ceremony.
About truth and the new Pax Americana led cabal gone global :
Illiberal managed democracy-- check
Inverted totalitarianism--- check
Neo liberalism and libertariansim as components of the new Corpocracy of modern oligarchy. Kill what's left of the midle class welfare state. -- check.
The new agenda : The Eu-US alliance for more free free trade; aka more controlled Oligarchy rule for their monopoly brand names that control Internet, Agri, Junk food, Energy, Finance, MIC ...you name it.
The face of global dystopia. The fight for what's left of world's depleting resources; in Africa, in Asia, in America.
Inverted totalitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Enter the old but new oligarchy - China is now the EU's largest trading partner.
Good article Falak, thanks.
Snowden should change his name to Emmanuel Goldstein, it would be so fitting.
You any of you down-arrowers know that Emmanuel Goldstein was the greatest "enemy of the state" in Orwell's book 1984??? The state needed an enemy to forcus the people's anger against so they didn't get mad at the state.
The man is a hero. What does that make us?
Gutless chickenshits?
Withdraw consent, or continue to consent. Your choice.
The only peaceful way to withdraw consent is to follow the example of deGaulle and cnvert your fiat to precious metals. Everything else is just talk or useless resistance against a well equipped police state.
pussies
Clappers and flatterers. But at least we aren't being paid to support Edward. We believe honesty is the high road.
GO ED GO!!!! Rip thede bastards a new ass. keep releasing the truth at the perfect time to catch them all in the malicious lies that they tell. LET THE HANGINGS BEGIN!!!
Thanks forever Mr. Snowden.
If information promotes the totalitarian objectives of President Goebbels, then any amount of thievery, deception, corruption, and bribe making are welcomed and celebrated [Hello Benghazi video, Lois Lehner, etc.] However, cross the line and open the curtain to OZ and actually tell the truth [the emperor has no clothes] and you are a traitor who is reviled and hated by the elite. Somewhere, Stalin is wondering why he didn't think of this shit.
http://vegasxau.blogspot.com
<-- Barack 'Food Stamp' Obama
<-- Edward 'The Truth' Snowden
Who's the traitor?
the third man... great film and great message.
Its the Oligarchy stupid.
I was laughing quietly to myselfthe other day when I read that the USA was spying on the IMF and the World Bank. I wondered whether the USA was spying on them to get advance copies of their economic forecasts. LOL.
I bet they are even spying on people suspected of rigging games and horse races so as to make bets themselves.
To them their capacity to snoop is like a toy in the hands of a fascinated child. The problem is that the child is becoming a bully rather than Captain America.
It's a damned shame and that a person speaking the truth is not being protected by the USA and instead is being shielded by the USSR. The fact that he needs to fear the USA more than any other government in the universe should be a wake up call to not only americans but also to the politicians that are supposedly representitve of the people. As each day passes it is shown that politicians do not represent the people but instead represent themselves and their corporate lobbyist which of course make the US government farciacal when it pretends to be "of the people, by the people and for the people."
Edward Snowden has earned and should be awarded the highest American civilian medal: the PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL of FREEDOM -- while he is still alive. Plus the Presidential order to assassinate Mr. Snowden should be nullified.
Edward Snowden has earned and should be awarded the highest American civilian medal: the PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL of FREEDOM -- while he is still alive. Plus the Presidential order to assassinate Mr. Snowden should be nullified.
Bring it, Edward.
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Snowden only has a year in Russia? What's he going to do when his time runs out? How are we going to get this man to safety?
Only by accepting your the transitory nature of all things, one can live forever.
I would be inclined to believe Mr. Snowden has come to terms with his predicament, by realising he owns nothing but one's own life.
Only by accepting your the transitory nature of all things, one can live forever.
I would be inclined to believe Mr. Snowden has come to terms with his predicament, by realising he owns nothing but one's own life.
I hear ed will be living in PNG this time next year , an open and robust democracy if ever there was one ..
dup!
What Snowden really did was eliminate all possibility of denying the extent of NSA spying. Email spying was occurring in the early 1990s. Echelon was known back then too, but never mentioned in mainstream media. Now everyone knows that everyone knows, as described in a Steven Pinker talk, nicely animated in:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3-son3EJTrU
Transparency is not treason, as the bumper sticker says.